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Re: UI8 new interface, do you like it? please give us your feedback
« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2018, 02:38:48 pm »
Another UI request would be multi controller support. Today vera does not support cord preventing a UK to drive multiple vera but many people have multiple vera in far places of the home or BV setup like h?tel need multiple vera. A 3 tier architecturez with the ability of the UI to blend multiple vera together would be a killer feature for large setup ? And let?s face it there is  money to make in large setups ).  With a single UI I should be able to see all Vera?s devices together , share room names across veras if needed, edit a scene spanning multiple controllers. Altui stared in that direction but the limited power of Vera backend prevents to go very far with it however it is possible without using the cumbersome zwave slave master setup.

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Re: UI8 new interface, do you like it? please give us your feedback
« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2018, 03:16:37 pm »
Well it sure looks promising!

For me an important feature is the ability to design my own dashboard so that I can add the device/scene/group or whatever there that I use the most.
I've tried the ImperiHome app which has that ability...but their UI is otherwise not that impressive.

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« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2018, 04:00:17 pm »
melih,
   The screen shot looks promising.  Thank you for showing you are looking into things.
   May I suggest collecting UI requirements we can crowd source and then you have a defined list to work from.  The reason I suggest that is because I am new to Home Assistant after giving up on UI7.  I love the things I can do there that I could never do in UI7.  Make my own tabs, dashboards, change icons, put a device in a group and also in another group (or many groups).  I feel I can do anything.  I can even create custom panels (cards) to put my own data in.  I can template the data for those cards and have variable output messages. 
   In fact, I (at the moment) am so happy with HA as a front-end, I would question why bother with a new one for Vera.  I partially jest but it does lead to this suggestion: have the backend be the backend (as others have suggested) and have it 100% decoupled from the UI.  So if I want to shutdown the UI on Vera to save resources I can and I can use another interface (like HA) or perhaps even use the UI8 hosted on another machine.  Lots of options there.  I would also make a very lightweight but feature rich and powerful UI for administration only.  Again. to give options on which parts I want to run on Vera: Backend, Admin UI, User UI.  All or pieces.  If running the Admin UI and User UI on Vera, it should be seamless it is two UIs.  I hope that doesn't sound crazy or difficult.  It isn't.  In fact, I would argue it makes things easier regarding configuration management, devops, and deploying updates.  ...in my experience anyway. 

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Re: UI8 new interface, do you like it? please give us your feedback
« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2018, 08:12:42 pm »
melih,
   The screen shot looks promising.  Thank you for showing you are looking into things.
   May I suggest collecting UI requirements we can crowd source and then you have a defined list to work from.  The reason I suggest that is because I am new to Home Assistant after giving up on UI7.  I love the things I can do there that I could never do in UI7.  Make my own tabs, dashboards, change icons, put a device in a group and also in another group (or many groups).  I feel I can do anything.  I can even create custom panels (cards) to put my own data in.  I can template the data for those cards and have variable output messages. 
   In fact, I (at the moment) am so happy with HA as a front-end, I would question why bother with a new one for Vera.  I partially jest but it does lead to this suggestion: have the backend be the backend (as others have suggested) and have it 100% decoupled from the UI.  So if I want to shutdown the UI on Vera to save resources I can and I can use another interface (like HA) or perhaps even use the UI8 hosted on another machine.  Lots of options there.  I would also make a very lightweight but feature rich and powerful UI for administration only.  Again. to give options on which parts I want to run on Vera: Backend, Admin UI, User UI.  All or pieces.  If running the Admin UI and User UI on Vera, it should be seamless it is two UIs.  I hope that doesn't sound crazy or difficult.  It isn't.  In fact, I would argue it makes things easier regarding configuration management, devops, and deploying updates.  ...in my experience anyway.

doing that exactly, crowdsourcing wishes/feedback/requirements from the most important people, our users! Product management is watching this thread like a hawk, taking everything said here and pushing it as a requirement into development!

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« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2018, 09:14:31 pm »
Not exactly what I meant.  Getting an item here or there or even the occasional well written list is not the same as crowd sourced requirements management.  I was suggesting a master list keep somewhere we can all contribute to (even if someone else manages it) and watch progression.  But more importantly to make sure our attempts in explaining a desirement is conveyed and received as intended.  Having something that regurgitates things back is very useful.  At the moment it appears things are moving but we really have no idea where... 

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Desirements need to be restated to bring everyone together :)

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« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2018, 12:45:54 am »
Please give us all your feedback....all of this is for you!

I like the idea of having multiple functions of the same device in one square vs having like 3 squares, look nice

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« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2018, 01:31:07 am »
A bit concerned to see a UI reskin, and not a rethink.
The screen shots are nicer for sure but the ui7 is much more holistic than just a reskin.

- Devices especially custom plugins need to be able to do much more powerful things and not restricted to the Json descriptive rules. Example the icon style.
- devices actions variables must be accessible editable and callable. Why ui7 still has the crazy edit/view mode on editing variables ? We cannot even empty a variable today.
- the Ui must work equally well on desktop and mobiles, example if I do a 3rd party custom panel for a device with custom icon logic , I need that custom icon , logic and device panel to be present if all ui form factors, from desktop to mobile. And yes that is possible. Even if you have only a default action on the main page and can click on the device to get other activities.
- the backend end refresh loop must be isolated , in its own thread and Ui must react to it on a event driven basis, not the way today with forcing refresh or sometime even reloads to see the changes. All the root of these issues seems to be in the concept of user data caching that is broken.
- support user changeable placement of things, support different tile sizes ( cf win10) , use drag and drop,...
- support client device side parametrization so that preferences on the old iPad throning on the dinner room table is not the same as the iPhone preferences


I d like to see massive improvements here and those are not visible in screen shots.

Under the hood.....we are re-architecting.....its not just a pretty face....it will be a workhorse underneath...

That's good to hear 😃

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Re: UI8 new interface, do you like it? please give us your feedback
« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2018, 04:37:43 am »
Hi,

One thing I saw on an other HA app. A notification with a button or buttons. This way you can directly start a defined action, or not, on a notification.

E.g.: at 23:00 Get the notification; "The garage door is unlocked. Lock it now?" With Yes/No buttons. Yes would trigger a scene or direct command.

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« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2018, 04:53:03 am »
Ok, just a short top of mind list fo a better UI:
- have the option to "park" devices (not in a room) but in a parking lot. So have all zwave capabilities kept but not used.
- Keep the interface working insted of waiting upon config changes. (AltUI does this a lot better in term of saying that vera is not responding with a count down timer.
- change the yellow line with default 10 unlogical alerts in the start screen (very annoying).
- introduce a better option to clear errors. e.g. my onkyo sometimes is not available or reachable and the vera says it is in error and I can only go into the parameters and clear the error. Even if vera says it is in error the device functions normally. The same for several zwave devices, the work normally but vera keeps an error.
- take an exmaple of PLEG, it is awesome! but can be a bit better in UI, I would suggest to ingetrate it with a wizard and manual natively in vera.
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Re: UI8 new interface, do you like it? please give us your feedback
« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2018, 07:18:22 am »
Another UI request would be multi controller support. Today vera does not support cord preventing a UK to drive multiple vera but many people have multiple vera in far places of the home or BV setup like h?tel need multiple vera. A 3 tier architecturez with the ability of the UI to blend multiple vera together would be a killer feature for large setup ? And let?s face it there is  money to make in large setups ).  With a single UI I should be able to see all Vera?s devices together , share room names across veras if needed, edit a scene spanning multiple controllers. Altui stared in that direction but the limited power of Vera backend prevents to go very far with it however it is possible without using the cumbersome zwave slave master setup.

This is already on our roadmap but no as fully featured. Part of UI8 has left/right swipe to change controller but no merged lists of locations. You input was already added and will be taken into account.
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« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2018, 07:26:41 am »
Reverb is an app that lets you issue Alexa commands from your phone. It doesn't have many features, just simple voice commands. Instead of opening the app, searching for a device, I just tap reverb, say what I want and I'm done. It takes 2-3 seconds depending on the 3g/4g connection. I'd love to see something like that but only for vera for quick access to things..

Regarding UI8
- setting for scaling per user/device
- custom icons for devices
- reorder / hide devices in custom categories / zone (for display only)
- mix devices and scenes and whatever else i want on the same "page" / view
- order "pages" left to right so i can swipe between them
- quick access to commands via swiping up/down starting from an icon (for example tap and hold then swipe up on dimmer shows a percentage and by going up you increase the light level)

We had voice commands on the beta version of the iOS app and it's somethings that we are working on. We don't know yet what's going to happen but we are preparing for lots of ways to interact, automate or control a smart home.

- Scaling for tiles on the system is already defined in UI8
- My Places - the pages of the dashboard where you'll be able to put whatever you want... up to 10 places
- Hide irrelevant devices any time
- Custom icons - a huge predefined list for now, plenty to choose from
- Modern device controls on the device control panel

We're aligned  :)
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Re: UI8 new interface, do you like it? please give us your feedback
« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2018, 07:27:32 am »
Well it sure looks promising!

For me an important feature is the ability to design my own dashboard so that I can add the device/scene/group or whatever there that I use the most.
I've tried the ImperiHome app which has that ability...but their UI is otherwise not that impressive.

Be prepared for something better  :)
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Re: UI8 new interface, do you like it? please give us your feedback
« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2018, 07:34:01 am »
Hi,

One thing I saw on an other HA app. A notification with a button or buttons. This way you can directly start a defined action, or not, on a notification.

E.g.: at 23:00 Get the notification; "The garage door is unlocked. Lock it now?" With Yes/No buttons. Yes would trigger a scene or direct command.

Cheers Rene

Interactive push notifications. Noted and added to the input list. Keep them coming.
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« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2018, 09:15:54 pm »
I like it and hope for a better Android app. Something like where I can define pages/dashboards and share them between devices.

Also being able to lock an action unless a pin or fingerprint is used is one of the main reasons I am using Imperihome.

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Re: UI8 new interface, do you like it? please give us your feedback
« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2018, 05:08:58 am »
You asked for it  ;)

Have plugin icons work local as well as remote.

In the web interface have simpler access to the log file, especially remote.

For all LUA code editing function use the nice way ATTUI does it. Syntax highlighting helps showing typo's before you hit save, need to wait for  areload and then dig into the log file to only see that annoying comma missing.

Cheers Rene
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