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Offline Sorin

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Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
« on: November 29, 2018, 04:50:55 am »
Let me start by thanking the passionate, dedicated and committed people who will be willing to do the hard work and sprint with us to build something important for our community and it's users.

The VeraMobile Beta app is where we test our newest features and app updates. The VeraMobile Beta app functions just like the normal VeraMobile app, but you also get to help us hunt bugs, improve usability, and try features before public release.

To participate in this testing program, you must request access to join the Android Beta Group first. Once you're accepted to be a Beta tester, yo'll need to follow the instructions on how to download the Beta app.

Feel free to discuss here but for direct input to the Android team please use the aforementioned Beta discussion group to report bugs, feedback, and usability improvements.

The highlights of this release are:

  • Geofence - Improvement: Updated geofence mechanism to work with the new limitations on Android 8/9
  • Geofence: Fixed  the issue where concurrent geofence updates were not properly handled
  • New: Added the Controller list page with status for controllers ( online/offline), display the weather and location of the controller
  • New: Added username validation on create new user
  • New: Added change password on edit user
  • Increased reliability of the app with various improvements and fixes

Various other issues identified on previous releases.


Live long and prosper!
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Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2018, 09:42:00 am »
Signed up and installed.  Thanks for allowing me to help.
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Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2018, 05:45:58 pm »
Signed up and joined

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Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2018, 04:23:30 am »
I signed up to the beta using a different phone (didn't want to bork my main phone) and created a "Basic" beta user on my vera edge. I already have geofencing setup on my main phone/standard android app/administrative user, with a geofence created. On the beta phone I enabled geofencing, do I have to create another geofence on this phone (because it says that I don't have permission to do this), or is the geofence that I created for the main user that one that gets acted upon?

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Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2018, 04:56:43 am »
Hi Trevor, thank you for joining.

I think the issue is the Basic user which if I remember well is limited to not use Geofence triggers.
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Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2018, 07:49:16 am »
Android S7 Samsung.

Seems slightly faster however, I still find myself getting to the door, in the house before Vera App sees me inside the geofence.  My geofence is set up at 600 yards.  Obviously, I will have to increase the size of the geofence? 

Wondering if there is a recommended geofence radius?
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Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2018, 11:13:26 am »
Hi Trevor, thank you for joining.

I think the issue is the Basic user which if I remember well is limited to not use Geofence triggers.

OK I'll up the permissions of the beta user

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Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2018, 10:09:20 am »
Just out of curiosity?  This is a complete re-write so why is it an app?  Most companies are moving to PWAs due to the incredible inconsistency in the Android kernel creating an inability to support apps on the OS.  Other companies that require an actual app for now have dropped support for all but Google, Samsung, and in some cases LG devices with all others being "best effort".  One such example is Salesforce (small company you may have heard of). 

I could be wrong but from what I understand the only benefit to the app would be the ability to open it offline, location services, notifications, speed, and the ability to use non-standard protocols.  Which for mobile web most of those aren't even a factor anymore.  PWA none of them are with the slight exception that it may be difficult to use non-standard protocols but as this is a standards based platform that shouldn't be an issue.  PWAs can even be installed through the app store and could even work like the current website and talk to the device locally instead of through the internet relay when needed.  It also means one PWA works for Android mobile. Chromebook, Windows 10, Windows 10 S, Windows Mobile 10, and Mac (iPhone has more limited support to my knowledge). 

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Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2018, 11:35:39 am »
Android S7 Samsung.

Seems slightly faster however, I still find myself getting to the door, in the house before Vera App sees me inside the geofence.  My geofence is set up at 600 yards.  Obviously, I will have to increase the size of the geofence? 

Wondering if there is a recommended geofence radius?

Hi Inzax,

You can find our recommendations for the Geofencing settings in the Android VeraMobile? application in the URL below. By default, the radio is set to 100m, but we recommend increasing it to 250m or more.

https://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2934335-geofence-explained-for-android-app?b_id=712

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Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2018, 07:11:21 pm »
Kept fence at 600 radius.  It is working more reliably now without me tinkering.  NO idea why. 

Events I have notifications for are less reliable but I am ok with that if Geofence is MORE reliable.  For instance I have the notification option associated with crossing the geofence and ONE trigger to set security system that also has a notification.  Typically, back in the day, I would get both notifications.  Now on this beta, I get one or the other and rarely both.  I'll probably just scale back to security system notification since that tells me all I want to know.   The double notification was one of those things I set up and never fixed.
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Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2018, 07:38:01 pm »
I'm in.

I want the app to look more exactly like the web page whereupon all my plugins like Pool Control are fully functional.

In the app? Not so much.

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Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2018, 04:35:01 am »
Good day everyone.

The mysterious time zone changes were indeed affecting the Android beta users, but this was, in fact, part of a deeper implementation of a timezone mechanism which was reverted in the latest Android Beta push.
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Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2018, 03:34:30 pm »
My advice to anyone contemplating trying this Beta is NOT to use it on a working system.


It has caused greif with PLEG, RFXCom and Broadlink.
Use in a sandpit only.

I had tried to post this to the Beta group but it was rejected.
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Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2018, 03:12:53 am »
Hey, zedrally, I'm sorry to hear that.

The purpose of the Beta group and invite is to gather as much feedback as we can. There's no kind of pre-approval or rejection or messages.

Here's the group: https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=forum&utm_campaign=Android+Beta#!forum/vera-android-testers

And it shouldn't be any connection between the mobile apps and the plugins on your Vera, besides the fact that you simply won't be able to control them from the mobile app, since that's not supported yet. There's no other way a mobile app can interfere with any of the existing plugins.
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Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2018, 04:34:56 pm »
^^^
Well I disagree with your statement.
The Mobile App updated the FW on the Home Vera, the first I knew about it was when I logged into the GUI and it didn't go through the "checking for update" sequence, then the AC's wouldn't kick in when the temp went over 26C.
Checking the GUI showed that the FW was upgraded which in turn stopped Broadlink communication, further evaluation also showed that PLEG was not working as it should. I'll be looking into it today as I would prefer to use updated FW, if it doesn't I'll need to revrt back to the last known working version.
 

Not a huge problem but had I known that it would update then I would not have used that Vera, rather a sandbox one.






« Last Edit: December 07, 2018, 05:09:32 pm by zedrally »
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