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Re: Mios at CES 2019
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2019, 04:36:06 pm »
Thanks for the pics Lonestar. While not encouraging to hear I can't change platforms anyhow so I'll be sticking it out with Vera for a while.

On a side note, has anyone bought ezlo? If it's so cheap and great I'm kind of surprised no one mentioned buying one. They all talk about other platforms and open source.

Not even sure where to get it or if it is a US product, I suppose I could look it up though.

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Re: Mios at CES 2019
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2019, 10:59:49 pm »
Thanks for the pics Lonestar. While not encouraging to hear I can't change platforms anyhow so I'll be sticking it out with Vera for a while.

On a side note, has anyone bought ezlo? If it's so cheap and great I'm kind of surprised no one mentioned buying one. They all talk about other platforms and open source.

Not even sure where to get it or if it is a US product, I suppose I could look it up though.

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I tried looking for either of their products when they bought Vera, but neither product seemed to be actually available anywhere.  Even now, when I just tried again to find either of their two supposedly existing products, I can find no reseller carrying them, no way to order them from ezlo, nothing about how to become a distributor, etc.  It looks like one of many products that have been put out as concept devices over the years that never make it to an end stage commercially available/viable product.  That has had me very worried about the lack of information and lack of any visible progress with Vera.  One would have thought there would have been a beta release of the new UI or something.  It's easy to hide a lack of progress behind a claim that a company is putting all its efforts behind a major rewrite, all the while actually accomplishing nothing, and just using that false hope to string customers along.  I hope that is not what is going on here.

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Re: Mios at CES 2019
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2019, 01:50:53 am »
Did anyone happen to see the Vista 1200 doorbell Camera? It was the one product I was waiting for from Vera to purchase.

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Re: Mios at CES 2019
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2019, 08:59:01 am »
Here are the brochures for Vera and Ezlo.
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Re: Mios at CES 2019
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2019, 09:57:20 am »
I'm a little surprised that I haven't seen any mention of CES from Vera on this forum.  Why do we hear about their offerings from a user who happens upon it rather than from the company we support and develop plugins for?  When do they plan on offering UI8 for our plugin developers?  :-\ 



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Re: Mios at CES 2019
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2019, 11:06:18 am »
I tried looking for either of their products when they bought Vera, but neither product seemed to be actually available anywhere.  Even now, when I just tried again to find either of their two supposedly existing products, I can find no reseller carrying them, no way to order them from ezlo, nothing about how to become a distributor, etc.  It looks like one of many products that have been put out as concept devices over the years that never make it to an end stage commercially available/viable product.  That has had me very worried about the lack of information and lack of any visible progress with Vera.  One would have thought there would have been a beta release of the new UI or something.  It's easy to hide a lack of progress behind a claim that a company is putting all its efforts behind a major rewrite, all the while actually accomplishing nothing, and just using that false hope to string customers along.  I hope that is not what is going on here.

They are new products, it's not some kind of rebranding of a third-party controller. We now have the resources and people and laboratories to research new hardware, new ideas, new and innovative devices for features that are not even on the market.

This is not a startup business that "might" fail. Those are not just concepts - Keep in mind that MIOS and Vera have been around for the last 15 years. We are among the founding fathers of many things home automation and IoT. We've closely imprinted our knowledge and continue to implement solutions for many big players in the market. These are just a few:  https://mios.com/industries/

I totally agree with you toward the available information we're giving you guys. This is going to change. This is not intended. I always vouched for openness towards our users. We need to be predictable and trustworthy and Melih wants the same. It's not often when an entrepreneur and CEO of a multi-billion consortium is involved first hand in direct communication with its customers.

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Re: Mios at CES 2019
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2019, 02:12:16 pm »
I feel that both Vera and Ezlo are focused on the OEM market.  The purchase by Ezlo might mean Vera is even more OEM focused.

Which isn't the worst thing ever - it just means we, the users on this forum, aren't really driving development.   Hopefully our interests align with the OEMs and potential OEMs.
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Re: Mios at CES 2019
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2019, 03:03:32 pm »
Agreed. I also made this prediction after hearing Melih speak (write) for a couple of weeks. The hope would be that the OEMs understand that end users (and developer/end-users) like us drive their market as well. There will surely be a number of indifferent/ignorant/tone-deaf OEMs, but hopefully the platform runs on a wide enough variety of hardware that I can choose the one that still lets me customize to the degree I do now, because that's what it takes to hold my interest in this platform. Or, I can vote with my feet. If they make choices that erode the user base that they are touting as the proof of their engineering prowess and predicter of their future viability, they're gonna have a bad time.
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Re: Mios at CES 2019
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2019, 04:13:56 pm »
I do have very hard feelings bout this whole situation. Biggest taskforce but no force to tell what when etc.
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Re: Mios at CES 2019
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2019, 04:15:24 pm »
I do have very hard feelings bout this whole situation. Biggest taskforce but no force to tell what when etc.

Indeed. Support tickets un-answered. Not clear direction. It's a bit up in the air :(

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Re: Mios at CES 2019
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2019, 05:53:46 pm »
Agreed. I also made this prediction after hearing Melih speak (write) for a couple of weeks. The hope would be that the OEMs understand that end users (and developer/end-users) like us drive their market as well. There will surely be a number of indifferent/ignorant/tone-deaf OEMs, but hopefully the platform runs on a wide enough variety of hardware that I can choose the one that still lets me customize to the degree I do now, because that's what it takes to hold my interest in this platform. Or, I can vote with my feet. If they make choices that erode the user base that they are touting as the proof of their engineering prowess and predicter of their future viability, they're gonna have a bad time.

If you vote with your feet, I would like to know where. There is no shortage of offering on the market but the customization part you speak of is what is lacking.
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Re: Mios at CES 2019
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2019, 05:44:22 am »
The situation over the last few months made me re-think my Vera commitment and I have already jumped to a another platform and I am actually enjoying it much more than Vera. I do however still come here to see what will happen with Vera. It was my first foray into HA and I stil have my empty edge controller.

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Re: Mios at CES 2019
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2019, 11:20:31 pm »
I tried looking for either of their products when they bought Vera, but neither product seemed to be actually available anywhere.  Even now, when I just tried again to find either of their two supposedly existing products, I can find no reseller carrying them, no way to order them from ezlo, nothing about how to become a distributor, etc.  It looks like one of many products that have been put out as concept devices over the years that never make it to an end stage commercially available/viable product.  That has had me very worried about the lack of information and lack of any visible progress with Vera.  One would have thought there would have been a beta release of the new UI or something.  It's easy to hide a lack of progress behind a claim that a company is putting all its efforts behind a major rewrite, all the while actually accomplishing nothing, and just using that false hope to string customers along.  I hope that is not what is going on here.

They are new products, it's not some kind of rebranding of a third-party controller. We now have the resources and people and laboratories to research new hardware, new ideas, new and innovative devices for features that are not even on the market.

This is not a startup business that "might" fail. Those are not just concepts - Keep in mind that MIOS and Vera have been around for the last 15 years. We are among the founding fathers of many things home automation and IoT. We've closely imprinted our knowledge and continue to implement solutions for many big players in the market. These are just a few:  https://mios.com/industries/

I totally agree with you toward the available information we're giving you guys. This is going to change. This is not intended. I always vouched for openness towards our users. We need to be predictable and trustworthy and Melih wants the same. It's not often when an entrepreneur and CEO of a multi-billion consortium is involved first hand in direct communication with its customers.

I wasn't talking about these new products introduced at CES.  I never would expect to see something new there and be able to immediately find it commercially available.  I was referring to the eZLO Atom and eZLO PlugHub, the two products shown at the time of the acquisition of Mios.  Those products shown as the only two products of eZLO on their web site were no where to be found in August.  Now in January they're still no where to be found.  That's what has me concerned this is all a smoke and mirrors act; that after a good deal of research trying to find any of the acquiring company's products out in the wild they still don't appear to be shipping or for order.  That doesn't give one a great deal of confidence that they will actually be able to successfully launch even an upgrade of Vera.  My hope is that this concern is unfounded and that despite eZLO previously never actually delivering on any of their products (as far as I was able to tell; and I looked quite hard), that they will be able to deliver on an improved Vera.  The longer this process goes, with no tangible signs of progress, the harder it is to hold on to this hope.

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Re: Mios at CES 2019
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2019, 06:41:28 pm »
Now that exo400 was presented at ces can we get more info ? It seems Linux based with WiFi and Ethernet. But Zwave 700 chip ? CPU  and memory embedded ? Targeted compatibility list ? Eased migration from Vera ? Other protocols ? Battery mode ?