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Offline micasaverde

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Re: Any update on the RCS TZ43 thermostat with MCV
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2009, 12:45:47 pm »
Zean, btw, re: "In fact my support request #573 submitted 6/5 has not even been assigned and there are other unassigned requests that predate mine."...  That's because we *did* already commit a workaround issue for the RCS in the newest Luup version.  So the issue is marked as 'closed' because we're not intending to postpone the upgrade to the new Luup version to go back and do the same fixes to the old version, which will be abandoned in a couple weeks anyway.

Also, I added a paragraph to the 'guaranteed compatibility' page to be sure it's completely understood that we are guaranteeing Vera and that Vera will support every official Z-Wave standard for every Z-Wave compliant device, but that we are not responsible for fixing other 3rd party devices on behalf of their manufacturers.  It says:

Bugs in 3rd party devices: We cannot guarantee that all the devices made by other companies, which you may use with Vera, are bug free.  We only guarantee that Vera will support the Z-Wave standard.  For example, if Z-Wave comes out with a new standard for controlling a TV, and you purchase a new Sony Z-Wave TV, we guarantee that within 4 weeks of your submission of a trouble ticket we will upgrade Vera to support the new Z-Wave TV standard.  But if there's a defect in the Sony TV and it is unable to tune to a channel, we obviously cannot be responsible for fixing the Sony TV.

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Re: Any update on the RCS TZ43 thermostat with MCV
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2009, 01:01:39 pm »
Thanks for the update MCV, look forward to the fix for this.

Is anyone else having problems with the Fan/Auto and Off/Heat/Cool settings too? Or is everyone only having problems with the temperature setpoints?

If someone else who owns this unit could check on the other functions it would be much appreciated...

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Re: Any update on the RCS TZ43 thermostat with MCV
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2009, 03:10:22 am »
I am glad to hear that MCV has committed to getting the TZ43 to function. I believe the overall concept of VERA is excellent and really like that it runs under linux embedded.

I am unable to find a list of z-wave certified products. This problem has been cited by others. This reduces the utility of the z-wave certification and any claim made by manufacturers about it.

It was my impression that the TZ43 is certified since RCS is an “affiliate member” of the z-wave alliance and the following was posted on the Zensys website 6/8/08…

” Thermostats, like lighting control, are another critical element to the management of energy in the home. The Intermatic CA8900, Wayne Dalton WDTC-20 and RCS TZ43 join the already strong family of fully-interoperable Z-Wave-enabled thermostats from ACT, Danfoss, RCS, Horstmann and HAI, bringing the total count of available Z-Wave thermostats to 12. These thermostats are fully Z-Wave compliant and interoperable with the more than 300 Z-Wave products already on the market, including lighting controls, appliance and motor controls, door and window controls, window coverings, pool pumps, motion, light and humidity sensors and A/V controls.”

http://www.zen-sys.com/modules/iaCM-ZW-PR/readMore.php?id=24117248

I will call RCS to determine if they believe the thermostat is certified.

In addition to the F/C problem, please recall that there are two additional issues precluding use of the TZ43 with VERA:

1. The fan control does not work. OFF command from VERA causes TZ43 to switch modes from HOLD to RUN. This cannot be reversed remotely

2. FAN setting switches to ON when AUTO radio button is pressed on the VERA GUI. This cannot be corrected remotely using VERA.

These issues were added to the bug log #563 on 5/21 by member cmaglio. The problems do not appear when the TZ43 is controlled by HSPRO.

I have been told that RCS will be providing a thermostat to MCV to help debug its operation with VERA. Has MCV received the thermostat?
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Re: Any update on the RCS TZ43 thermostat with MCV
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2009, 10:57:22 pm »
Yes, we received the thermostat and have committed some more fixes for the other issues too.  The 'big' one, though, was always the c/f, but we're fixing everything.  I agree that it's frustrating that there's no list of 'certified' devices, and that some devices which seem to be certified don't in fact implement the Z-Wave command classes according to spec.  I've raised this concern to the folks at Sigma (Zensys) before, and they do agree, but, like all of us, they have issues with bandwidth and have to prioritize.  So in the Luup version, the RCS will work 100%.  We should have the upgrade module done to allow easy migration from the current version to Luup, hopefully, by the end of next week.  Then you can upgrade and everything will work smoothly with the RCS.  Yes, we received a thermostat from them.

BTW, as far as I know the RCS thermostat was certified, but, after speaking to some engineers, it appears that there was an oversight at the 3rd party certification lab and they only tested it with a single byte temperature in fahrenheit, and just assumed the thermostat was using the size/scale/precision flags, without actually testing it.  I've been told this won't happen again and they'll be checking for this from now on.  So, the "blame" may be spread around.  The folks at RCS are very helpful.

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Re: Any update on the RCS TZ43 thermostat with MCV
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2009, 09:09:23 pm »
thanks. looking forward to downloading the luup.
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Re: Any update on the RCS TZ43 thermostat with MCV
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2009, 09:41:33 pm »
thanks for the update MCV, glad to hear you guys got it 100% working, looking forward to the release of luup...

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Re: Any update on the RCS TZ43 thermostat with MCV
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2009, 05:41:58 pm »
I can confirm the TZ43 now works as of firmware 862, I haven't found any problems with any of the existing functions.

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Re: Any update on the RCS TZ43 thermostat with MCV
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2009, 10:16:01 pm »
yeah. can't wait to try it.
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Re: Any update on the RCS TZ43 thermostat with MCV
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2009, 08:02:53 pm »

So is it working now with TZ43 ?  I am shopping for a controller for my cabin and the vera looks to be
what I want, but stumbled onto this forum and saw the problems.   I need something reliable for
remote access.   Don't want to buy something that won't do the primary job I need it for (even though
the problem seems to lie with the TZ43 and not the vera code)    Or,... is there a better thermostat
you could recommend... I picked the tz43 as I liked its features.  I haven't bought anything yet, just doing
my research

Thanks!
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Re: Any update on the RCS TZ43 thermostat with MCV
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2009, 11:24:26 pm »
Welcome aboard, Les, and let me be the first of many to reassure you that Vera is growing by leaps and bounds, with each firmware release (which seem to be coming out approx. every two weeks).  Features keep being added, and despite minor setbacks that affect 2-3 users each round, the overall trend is toward "improvement."
 
As for thermostats, I preferred the feature set, price point (and so far, reliability -- but not the installation so much) of Wayne-Dalton's WDTC-20 over the TCS model (or its Schlage variant).  Vera's allegedly as happy with the latter brand(s) as she is with W-D, so choose freely.

Trust me, if subsequent firmware (after 862, say) re-introduce any problems with the TCS, you *will* read about it here in the Forum!!
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Re: Any update on the RCS TZ43 thermostat with MCV
« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2009, 01:54:37 am »
i am experiencing improved function with 862. can set temperatures in F. fan can be changed from ON to AUTO and back.

manual polls all fail with a combination of "can't send command to node" and "node never responded" in the logs. (included below)

i am wondering if others are having this problem and what version of tz43 MCV and others have. my tz43 is ver 00.00.20 and the z version is 01.02.5.

if anyone has a tz43 please post what version you have and whether you are able to poll.

08/30/09 22:30:47.392 117 pollnode #2node 2 5 cmds 09-08-30 22:30:35 09-08-30 22:30:35 09-08-30 22:30:47 12.375318000 12.365272000 Failed Node never responded 2 3 ZWaveThermostat 
08/30/09 22:31:27.841 118 pollnode_sms2 #2node 2 5 cmds 09-08-30 22:31:15 09-08-30 22:31:15 09-08-30 22:31:27 12.355551000 12.339992000 Failed Node never responded 2 3 ZWaveThermostat 
08/30/09 22:31:36.841 119 pollnode_sms2 #2node 2 5 cmds 09-08-30 22:31:34 09-08-30 22:31:34 09-08-30 22:31:36 2.780603000 2.773070000 Failed Cannot send command to node 2 3 ZWaveThermostat 
08/30/09 22:31:42.361 120 pollnode_sms2 #2node 2 5 cmds 09-08-30 22:31:39 09-08-30 22:31:39 09-08-30 22:31:42 2.810195000 2.802338000 Failed Cannot send command to node 2 3 ZWaveThermostat 
08/30/09 22:31:50.591 121 pollnode_sms2 #2node 2 5 cmds 09-08-30 22:31:47 09-08-30 22:31:47 09-08-30 22:31:50 2.688301000 2.680879000 Failed Cannot send command to node 2 3 ZWaveThermostat 
08/30/09 22:32:07.231 122 pollnode_sms2 #2node 2 5 cmds 09-08-30 22:31:54 09-08-30 22:31:54 09-08-30 22:32:07 12.268868000 12.261367000 Failed Node never responded 2 3 ZWaveThermostat
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Re: Any update on the RCS TZ43 thermostat with MCV
« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2009, 01:30:15 pm »
Zean -

I am running 862 firmware, and have had no issues whatsoever with my thermostat since I installed it about a week ago.  I can poll fine, and get temperature readings, change settings, etc.  Keep in mind that I installed Vera and all my current z-wave devices for the first time last week, and I upgraded firmware to 862 immediately upon installation and before adding any devices, so I did start with a clean slate, so to speak.  My devices were never paired on an older version of firmeware, so perhaps you're dealing with some legacy issues?  I'm not a z-wave techie, so this is only a guess.

I wish I could say the same for my HSM100 sensor - still can't figure out how to get that thing working correctly.  Schlage log is having polling issues, but I'm fairly certain, thanks to input from this forum, that distance to Vera is likely the issue, so I've ordered an RP200 lamp module to act as a repeater and hopefully solve the problem.

Good luck.

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Re: Any update on the RCS TZ43 thermostat with MCV
« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2009, 01:21:17 am »
Thanks for the thought. I already tried reseting the z wave network, resetting vera to factory defaults, and resetting all of the devices previously on my network. Then I included only 1 tz43 and 1 leviton dimmer.

Almost every poll to the thermostat fails. Polls to the dimmer are successful.

What version of TZ43 do you have? (its the xx.xx.xx number of the thermostat info menu)
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Re: Any update on the RCS TZ43 thermostat with MCV
« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2009, 08:55:19 pm »
Zean:

I would like to give you the info you're requesting, but the thermostat is in my vacation home, and I'm not going to be down there again for a couple of weeks.  Sorry...

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Re: Any update on the RCS TZ43 thermostat with MCV
« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2009, 11:16:23 pm »
thanks. hopefully i'll have issues resolved by then.

MCV could you post the version of tz43 you were using for development??
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