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Offline jls667

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Re: Why the delays?
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2013, 11:15:33 am »
i am having similar slowness problems with scenes.  My network is even smaller than yours.  In one place I have a 4 button Leviton scene controller.  One of the buttons just turns on and off one set of lights.  It is very slow.  I have to wait a long time after turning on the lights before I can turn them off.  I tried the heal zwave option.  Before I had vera2, I tried the Leviton controller.  The scene switches worked much quicker using the Leviton controller.  That is the only reason I know it is possible to have a more responsive zwave network.  I switched thinking the vera2 would be more flexible.  Please help me figure out what makes everything so slow with the vera2 controller.

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Re: Why the delays?
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2013, 01:40:19 pm »
i did quite alot play with mios and the vera since i have it ...
i noticed some "lags" quite regulary, it seems its a chain of issues making this delay to happen.
sequential communication (i can live with that),

i also noticed the response times are ALOT Faster without the network running (disconnected network cable)
but that does pretty much make it just as nice as a hardware remote.

but in general, if the vera "does something" (does not really matter what (anything from consuming electicity to write logs or even controlling somethings)) anything else seem to come to a halt, puts me back to the Windows Feeling i stopped to enjoy a very long time ago ;)

also here in the forum, in 5 out of 10 threads peoples keep telling not to do anything fancy with the vera.
well that was my reason to actually buy it, i can live with 70 device limit, but nobody said that this means 70 devices with zero scenes.
fine 35 devices and 35 scenes would be okay too (including virtual devices even) but that does not seem to be the case.

best case scenario to operate a vera seems to just plug it in to power with no device connected and wooow dont think of creating a scene ...

all this is not such a bad thing since we wont watch it do things anyway but a few secounds are a damm long time in 2013, it appears to me that the internal hardware structure does not really support his few little tasks or the kernels are just really bad compiled.

starting to think of decide against buying a z-wave USB and Indigo software instead. (my already 14 Years old iMac does know how to do Multitasking :) )
was'nt the smartest choice.
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Re: Why the delays?
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2013, 10:50:37 am »
Why would a scene switch work more quickly being programmed by a Leviton Controller than a Vera2?  It is not even close.  If I am doing something wrong, please tell me.

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Re: Why the delays?
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2013, 12:26:53 am »
First time poster but long time lurker and unfortunately it had to be in this thread (no offence to the posters!)!

I was using an Aeon Labs USB Stick prior to the Vera Lite and was using the USB stick with Homeseer and also tried a few others (which is a story for another thread!). Frankly, I found Homeseer easy to use and logical (minus the user interface) but was way too pricey. I decided to give the Vera Lite a go and let's just say it didn't live up to the expectations. I don't have a lot of z wave devices nor do I have a huge house but all my z wave devices can be polled and accept commands instantly when using the web interface on Vera or the latest version of Homewave. But come scenes, its a different story. All I can say is that the Vera Lite seems to struggle with them. Sometimes its works with a second of delay, other times it works when it feels like it. Like others have said, without plugins like PLEG (Thanks RT for a great plugin) etc. and the user community the Vera Lite seems to be a beta product still struggling even after UI5.

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Re: Why the delays?
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2013, 06:06:03 am »
I have been facing similar problem. I have Vera 3 with almost 44-45 devices & around 20-22 Scenes. Controlling though SQ Remote HD on my iPAD. But its not something which i face regularly.

 Usually everything works perfectly fine, like in blink the scene or specific devices start. But when it gets bad, the delay is almost around 3-5 seconds. And that's pretty bad.

What can be possibly reason for such irregular delay?
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Re: Why the delays?
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2013, 10:09:34 am »
The delay seems to be in the zwave comms from Vera rather than scene execution in itself.  I see similar delays sometimes when controlling single devices (no scene) from Vera.  In contrast, the non z-wave stuff reacts almost instantly when running a scene: the Hue bulbs in the living room come on directly when the scene runs; the z-wave dimmers take 1 - 15 seconds more
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Re: Why the delays?
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2013, 03:22:40 am »
The delay seems to be in the zwave comms from Vera rather than scene execution in itself.

since a week or so i tend to the same conclusion.
i have a WiFi LED Bulb in the bedroom (they have a widespread reputation that they just not reliable at all in matters of automation)

the lamp is turned on in orange at the morning via a scene IF my wife is on Morning Shift ..
sort of Wakeup light.
this never failed to work (and i would actually excuse it if it would not do)

downstairs everything is z-wave
if i come home .. the GPS tracking triggers a Virtual switch. the connected scene turns on the driveway light, tv backlight the dinner light and unlocks the door
in 4 out of 10 times the dinner and TV light remains off ...

honestly, i could live with the delays, but if things not happen at all .. thats really anoying.

funny is .. the dinner light (which is always one of the failing ones) have about 2cm thick air-brick wall (no steel) and about 30cm air to the vera .. where the driveway light is easy 50 meters away serwal walls, windows (including solid concrete walls) in between ... but this one always works.

very odd thing this is.
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Re: Why the delays?
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2013, 09:00:35 am »
funny is .. the dinner light (which is always one of the failing ones) have about 2cm thick air-brick wall (no steel) and about 30cm air to the vera .. where the driveway light is easy 50 meters away serwal walls, windows (including solid concrete walls) in between ... but this one always works.

What type of switch is this? From your description, it sounds like Vera is behind the switch. I have seen several switches where the antenna is in front of the switch's metal face plate, shielding out signals from behind the switch. Leviton is especially bad for this.

I suspect that creating a (manual)route to get the signal to the switch from the front of the faceplate would improve its reliability. I would bet that there is already an automatic route to your 50 meters away switch.

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Re: Why the delays?
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2013, 09:54:19 am »
funny is .. the dinner light (which is always one of the failing ones) have about 2cm thick air-brick wall (no steel) and about 30cm air to the vera .. where the driveway light is easy 50 meters away serwal walls, windows (including solid concrete walls) in between ... but this one always works.

What type of switch is this?
they both Fibaro dual switches.

but as i said the one in question can literally "see" the vera ;) all my routers and switches and things are in a small room behind the wall where the switch in question is, the boxes holding the switches are connected (the lightswitch in the small room and the switch outside have a direct connection (can see trough) and no metall at all (all panasonic plastic frames))
so technically there is only a sheet of plastic (the cover of the lightswitches) in the radio waves ;)

i suspected the routes are a issue too .. since vera automatically added neighbors are arround there.
i had removed all the neighbors already to test this behavour .. with no change at all.
(or is removeing the node ids from the neighbor-field in advanced not enough ?)

but i do notice quite regulary vera does serval retries on basically all the switches (even on the one in the same room with JUST Air (about 30 cm) in between.) if multiple devices are beeing turned on or off.

as example .. if i turn on all lights .. and switch daynight to "Day" .. i see alot of blue bars noting the retries.

if i manually trigger any of the switches in question, they work instantly, via dashboard or via homewave. also vera does have instant update that the status of the switch has changed of i use the physical switch.

just the scenes seem to have this problems...
my wildest guess at this moment is that the retry-settings are different if a scene execute a action.
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