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johnfdl

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Do I get a Vera3 or VeraLite?
« on: May 10, 2013, 11:38:55 am »
I am looking at doing the home automation route (had one set up in my old house using x10 so all this new fangled stuff is amazing).  I will likely integrate a DSC alarm panel so that I can leverage cheaper/more reliable wireless door/window sensors, more reliable wireless motion detectors and wireless smoke detectors, though I won't likely have the system professionally monitored, just self monitoring.  I expect to set up scenes or macros that will allow a 'I'm home' scene which opens the garage door, unlocks the deadbolt, disarms the alarm, turns on lights if it's dark out, etc.  Similar "Im away' scenes to do the opposite.

From what I've read, the VeraLite documentation on MCV site is a bit misleading.  The VeraLite needs to be Ethernet cable connected to my wireless router.....is that correct?  And since I am also introducing a DSC alarm panel, it would also need to plug into that as well?  So I ultimately need my alarm panel, VeraLite, and router all to be housed very close to eachother (like in the same closet).  The VeraLite then would be able to use the existing wireless network since it's attached via cable (though I don't know that it even needs access to wireless network to be honest).

So am I correct that if I can house my alarm panel, my router, and my Vera in the same room, I only need a VeraLite (connected via Ethernet cable to my router)?  Is there anything else that Vera3 would give me that would make it a compelling purchase over VeraLite (I see an extra USB and a bit more RAM I think though unsure if that translates to increased functionality)?

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Re: Do I get a Vera3 or VeraLite?
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2013, 11:54:42 am »
If you already have a solid wireless-N network, I don't think you'd necessarily benefit from a Vera 3. The Vera Lite should be used in conjunction with your exiting wireless network, and ideal placement would be near your alarm panel.


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Re: Do I get a Vera3 or VeraLite?
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2013, 12:47:14 pm »
Yes, the Vera Lite requires a wired ethernet connection. The "misleading" description is actually a follow on to the description of the Vera 3. The Vera 3 has a built-in WiFi Router. The Vera Lite has no WiFi radio.

The DSC alarm panel will use an additional module to connect it to the Vera. Modules include RS232, USB and the Envisalink IP170 which is an ethernet interface. Typically Vera is plugged into the network, DSC is plugged into the network and the two communicate via TCP/IP.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2013, 12:49:51 pm by Z-Waver »

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Re: Do I get a Vera3 or VeraLite?
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2013, 12:53:50 pm »
The most current model Envisalink produces is the EVL3. Details can be found here:

http://www.eyezon.com/?page_id=176

However, there are cheaper places that sell for about $100 and several are listed in the forum.

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Re: Do I get a Vera3 or VeraLite?
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2013, 04:50:00 am »
Thanks for confirming the current latest method.  I have replaced the IT100 and IP170 with the EVL-3 - Envisalink on my draft shopping list.  I think the plug-in documentation for DSC is a bit outdated as well.

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Re: Do I get a Vera3 or VeraLite?
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2013, 05:05:15 am »
Vera3 also has twice the memory as VeraLite.
I have Vera3 for that reason ... I have a lot of devices. I do not even use the WiFi.
The more memory ... the more devices and plugins Vera can handle.

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Re: Do I get a Vera3 or VeraLite?
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2013, 07:14:07 am »
The more memory ... the more devices and plugins Vera can handle.

is there any "value of experience" regarding the device count ?
i also plan to get quite a number of devices together in the next 6 months or so. (i assume about 50)
but not so serious luup tasks .. 80% binary

well i know myself, if get used more to luup and discover more of the potential, it may grow beyond that ;)

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Re: Do I get a Vera3 or VeraLite?
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2013, 11:32:56 am »
I would seriously at the Vera 3 as you may be pushing a Veralite once you do your full setup

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Re: Do I get a Vera3 or VeraLite?
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2013, 03:06:56 pm »
@johnfdl, I had the same question and will be implementing the dsc alarm as well. Can you share you shopping list?  I have just started to piece this together and it isn't the easiest task.  I would like to use as much wireless pieces as possible but I have read that the wireless motion sensors have a 6 sec delay to them. If you have found otherwise please let me know.

Thanks.

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Re: Do I get a Vera3 or VeraLite?
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2013, 03:23:45 pm »
The dsc wireless motion sensors have a 6 second delay. I brought this up about a year or so ago. All other sensors (doors and windows) do not.

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Re: Do I get a Vera3 or VeraLite?
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2013, 04:10:47 pm »
@cue.....welcome.  As you can see, I too am new and very excited about starting.  It's not finalized, but my shopping list for this project is as follows.  If anyone has any input/questions/suggestions, please chime in.  I want to get this right.

PC1832NK - DSC PowerSeries 8-32 Zone Control Panel
16V40VA plug-in transformer
SD15W - DSC 15W Indoor Siren
BD4-12 12V, 4Ah backup battery
RF5132-433 - DSC Wireless Receiver Module
EVL-3 - Envisalink
Two WS4939 Wireless Key Fob
DSC Wireless PIR WS4904 Motion Detector
EV-DW4975 - Vanishing Wireless Door Window Sensor
WS4916 - DSC Wireless Smoke Detector
WT5500 - DSC Alexor 2-Way Wireless LCD Keypad
zwave deadbolts (still researching what might be best)
Veralite

Cost:  roughly $1K

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Re: Do I get a Vera3 or VeraLite?
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2013, 06:21:59 pm »
@cue.....welcome.  As you can see, I too am new and very excited about starting.  It's not finalized, but my shopping list for this project is as follows.  If anyone has any input/questions/suggestions, please chime in.  I want to get this right.

PC1832NK - DSC PowerSeries 8-32 Zone Control Panel
16V40VA plug-in transformer
SD15W - DSC 15W Indoor Siren
BD4-12 12V, 4Ah backup battery
RF5132-433 - DSC Wireless Receiver Module
EVL-3 - Envisalink
Two WS4939 Wireless Key Fob
DSC Wireless PIR WS4904 Motion Detector
EV-DW4975 - Vanishing Wireless Door Window Sensor
WS4916 - DSC Wireless Smoke Detector
WT5500 - DSC Alexor 2-Way Wireless LCD Keypad
zwave deadbolts (still researching what might be best)
Veralite

Cost:  roughly $1K
RF5132-433 - DSC Wireless Receiver Module
WT5500 - DSC Alexor 2-Way Wireless LCD Keypad

The WT5500 requires the TR5164 module. The TR5164 effectively replaces the Existing wireless modules PC5132 or RF5132 etc.
Look at the 7Ah battery


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Re: Do I get a Vera3 or VeraLite?
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2013, 11:17:43 am »
Brientim, thanks again for guiding me through this.  Were it not for you and others here at this forum, I surely would be lost.  Updated my shopping list:

PC1832NK - DSC PowerSeries 8-32 Zone Control Panel
16V40VA plug-in transformer
SD15W - DSC 15W Indoor Siren
BD712 - 12 Volt 7AH Alarm System Battery
TR5164-433 - DSC PowerSeries 2-Way Wireless Transceiver
EVL-3 - Envisalink
Two WS4939 Wireless Key Fob
DSC Wireless PIR WS4904 Motion Detector
EV-DW4975 - Vanishing Wireless Door Window Sensor
WS4916 - DSC Wireless Smoke Detector
WT5500 - DSC Alexor 2-Way Wireless LCD Keypad
zwave deadbolts (still researching what might be best)
Veralite

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Re: Do I get a Vera3 or VeraLite?
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2013, 11:38:57 am »
Now that you have decided the TR5164, you can look at the two way communication devices that can be used like the WT4989.

See http://dsc.com/index.php?n=products&o=view&id=130

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Re: Do I get a Vera3 or VeraLite?
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2013, 04:05:54 pm »
It just keeps on getting better and better.  I just ordered my veralite today thanks to a $35 gift card deal offered by amazon (see general thread).  That was a no brainer but I want to be thoughtful with my other purchases.  I'm still trying to figure if there's any reason I shouldn't just go with the DSC PC1864 (vs. the 1832). Price point is close and seems to have only upsides....no downsides.