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Offline denix

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More interfaces?
« on: October 21, 2008, 12:42:06 pm »
Hi,

I am an Embedded Linux developer myself and have been toying with home automation lately - my home network is already setup as well as a distributed MythTV configuration, which takes care of all the media in my house. I got several Z-Wave switches installed and have been playing with Pluto and then LinuxMCE, but didn't like their approach of an all-in-one black-box taking control of many things I have already running well.

Then I found this product just several days ago and went through all the info on the site, the wiki and this forum. I like the idea of a dedicated Z-Wave/automation controller, which is open and flexible.

Now, what I see missing is more interfaces to interact with Vera (besides web and iPhone/iPod) - the concept of Orbiter in Pluto/LinuxMCE world. I guess, something which is currently envisioned for iPhone/iPod, but brought to other platforms - PDAs (WindowsCE or Linux), Web tablets (Windows-based or Linux, e.g. Nokia 770/N800/N810), even wall-mounted touch panels...

What are your plans in this area?
Veras (1, 2, 3, Lite, Plus), lots of different Z-Wave modules, Luup plugins and theater/security integration.

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Re: More interfaces?
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2008, 01:05:45 pm »
One of the problems with LinuxMCE is that when you try to do *everything* it's very hard to anything flawlessly.  We're cautious about feature creep.  We'd rather do a couple things very well, then everything poorly, and don't want to spread our developers too thin.  We plan to work hard on getting the best possible iphone/ipod touch interface we can.  That is, I think, the most mainstream UI and holds the most potential.  However, Vera's underlying messaging is DCE, like LinuxMCE.  So you actually could, with only minimal modification, use a LinuxMCE orbiter on, say, a Cisco phone or a Windows PDA to control Vera.

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Re: More interfaces?
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2008, 01:25:53 pm »
Thanks for your reply. I already read in another topic about the feature creep. I certainly understand your motivation to do a very good product, which sells well, makes money and allows you to continue working on it. :)

From an average user perspective, iPhone/iPod may be your best bet at covering majority of the userbase. But from an enthusiast/OSS developer perspective, that platform is not very open and is not natural... :)

Either way, do you have any screenshots or even mockups of the iPhone/iPod interface, to get some understanding about it looks?

I guess with the help of the community, you can get some other platforms covered...
Veras (1, 2, 3, Lite, Plus), lots of different Z-Wave modules, Luup plugins and theater/security integration.

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Re: More interfaces?
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2008, 01:28:16 am »
The iphone ui is a work in process.  The version shipping with the first beta boxes is on our test vera box:

http://testvera.micasaverde.com:3451/iphone

It's a web app.  There's also a few developers of cool iphone remote control / automation apps on Apple's AppStore.  We're encouraging one in particular to add an interface to Vera so there's a native commercial app as well.  We won't have any financial interest in that transaction.  Ideally we'd like users to have a few options, including the standard versions we developed and which are included for free, and maybe some more custom versions from 3rd parties.  I'm anxious to try Google's Android phones too and would like to see that supported.  But since we can't do them all, it'd be nice if Vera became popular enough that some of the people doing existing control apps for those devices added support for Vera.  The protocol to talk to Vera is *very* simple, so it should be a trivial amount of work to add a Vera interface.

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Re: More interfaces?
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2008, 02:15:34 pm »
IPhone is clearly a cool way to start, but what about users that like myself aren't big fans of Apple?
Any plans for WM?

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Re: More interfaces?
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2008, 11:02:43 pm »
IPhone is clearly a cool way to start, but what about users that like myself aren't big fans of Apple?
Any plans for WM?

I would second that, but I think we are pushing the envelope too much as of now... :)
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Re: More interfaces?
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2008, 11:37:19 pm »
It sounds like there is a lot of discussion around the iPhone. While I'm possibly looking into the touch, I currently have a Blackberry 8830. One of the decisions to purchase a Vera was the Blackberry support.

Do you have the test site setup for Blackberry?  If I remember correctly, it doesn't require a password for the test site, but the Blackberry app seems to require one.

Thank you.
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Re: More interfaces?
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2008, 11:39:53 pm »
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Do you have the test site setup for Blackberry?  If I remember correctly, it doesn't require a password for the test site, but the Blackberry app seems to require one.

See this: http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Testvera  It's testvera, myvera123

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Re: More interfaces?
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2008, 12:07:49 am »
Thank you. I'm playing with it now!
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Re: More interfaces?
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2008, 09:58:37 am »
I was rather happy to discover that the t-mobile G1 can use the iphone web app because they use such similar browsers.

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Re: More interfaces?
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2008, 04:29:23 pm »
Can I make a suggestion on the Blackberry application.  It would be great to mute, quiet, or overall change the tone the system makes.  I frequently am in a quiet environment and turning off a device creates a very loud notification.

Would be great to have an option to mute it if you want.

Thanks.
Aaron

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Re: More interfaces?
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2008, 10:40:17 pm »

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Re: More interfaces?
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2008, 02:35:43 am »
You guys/gals rock!  I love seeing suggestions getting added to the bugs list.
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Re: More interfaces?
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2008, 07:34:06 pm »
Does the Blackberry application support direct through someones own router to the Vera box, or was it designed only for findver.com connections?
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Re: More interfaces?
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2008, 03:23:11 pm »
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Does the Blackberry application support direct through someones own router to the Vera box, or was it designed only for findver.com connections?

It works either way.