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Offline JohnRob

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Re: Line-voltage baseboard heater thermostat
« Reply #195 on: October 01, 2016, 07:53:51 pm »
I'm curious how temperature limits are handled, if at all.   I'm very interested in programmable thermostats where I could modify the setting based on outside temperature, time of year etc.  However I am very uncomfortable allowing Vera (or any other controller) full authority of the temperature setting.

To be comfortable I would need hard limits programmed into the thermostat limiting the authority of the remote command.  This could be accomplished with some sort of front panel programming or perhaps a remote setup enabled/disabled by a jumper etc.

JohnRob


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Re: Line-voltage baseboard heater thermostat
« Reply #196 on: December 22, 2016, 10:03:28 am »
Hello!

I have been monitoring this thread for some time now and I am really excited to share a new product my company has been working on.

Yes, it is a Wi-Fi based thermostat for electric baseboard heaters and it will be compatible with Vera.

I have personally lived with all three existing solutions (Sinope, Casa, and Stelpro) over the last 6-12 months and neither of them "hit it out of the park".

Mysa (www.getmysa.com) is really going to leapfrog the competition and finally give customers a high voltage smart thermostat that they have been looking for.

We are still about 9 months from being able to ship but I thought I'd post here to let people know that there is another solution in the works and it WILL work with VERA on day one. Not an empty promise.

Please take a look at our website to see more and we will be adding detailed information very soon!


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Re: Line-voltage baseboard heater thermostat
« Reply #197 on: January 10, 2017, 02:22:19 pm »
Hi,

i have been waiting for some time for something and when I saw mysa today, it looked very promising. I went ahead and pre-ordered 3. What also convinced me was the rapid response time from Joshua when I asked him about integration with vera, alexa, siri (homekit)...
here is a referral link http://mysa.refr.cc/joselsiles, if you purchase, I get $10 and so do you :)

Once i receive them in October 2017, I will update this thread with my findings.

Luis



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Re: Line-voltage baseboard heater thermostat
« Reply #198 on: January 11, 2017, 11:14:49 pm »
I have bought the Sinope line-thermostat in late 2014 when it first came out in hopes that an API will be delivered as a promise to developers.  I work in software and can most likely write a working module for integration with Vera.

I will share my outmost disappointment about the product:

  • The promised API (a local API not the neviweb cloud api, but a direct calls to the RF gateway will be published for anyone interested).  Obviously that is a lie to get people on board to buy their product.
  • The thermostats were sold as having "Standby/Manual/Auto" operation modes. Clearly labelled on the box and instruction manual.  But 4 of early units I got does not have the Standby mode.  I want the Standby mode to be set on in the summer months. After contacting supports, this can only be done by sending the units back and have the units reflashed with latest firmware.  Also, support insisted that I have the bear all the shipping cost because of their f-up's with not providing the standby mode to begin with.  Even if they paid for shipping, it is a hassle detaching all the units from the wall and send it back for reflashing.  It's a cloud product, why can't you upgrade through the cloud?
  • The outside temperature setting used to work but has been broken ever since a year ago. but has yet to work since but new firmware is supposed to fix it. Again, these thermostats cannot be updated through the web and hence, i need to send in all 8 of my thermostats for service assuming all the shipping costs and all the inconvenience.
  • Developers.  Let me tells you why the likes of Apple and Google are successful.  It's because of developers and their platform.  Your smart thermostat is a great platform to build on but unfortunately, you have closed it off for anyone to do anything cool with it.  I don't doubt you have smart people working for you but there are great developers out there that will push the limit and build something even your product managers will never ever imagine as use cases.  So why why why are you putting yourself in such a bad position for your business.  You can be selling a lot of hardware here and make very good money here.  It has proven you guys are not a software company.  I poked around your gateway web code and neviweb interface web code, and it shows me your software is "meh..." engineering level.

Sinope, I hope you are reading this, because you have lost me as a current and future customer (possibly other customers because of your company practices).  For those of your considering these Sinope thermostats, beware you will be stuck in a closed platform.  If your thermostat won't work, you can't service it yourself or upgrade any of the software without costing you shipping both ways.  Overall, I am very very disappointed with the development over the past 2 years and will be replacing these with open standard Stelpro Z-wave line-voltage thermostats instead.

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Re: Line-voltage baseboard heater thermostat
« Reply #199 on: January 24, 2017, 07:12:31 pm »
Hi

I have the API and started a plugin if you are interested in working on it I would love the help and the plugin.


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Re: Line-voltage baseboard heater thermostat
« Reply #200 on: January 25, 2017, 11:41:22 am »
Welcome on board .... I have already denounced this situation several times for 2 years ... and Sinop? despite his promises has never delivered. I bought more than 12 thermostats with them thinking they would live up to their promises ... unfortunately they never respected their commitment. I know very well that he will not deliver the goods after spending more than $ 1100 with them hoping that I could control my heating by integrating programs with Vera .... After many promises ... I advise not buying their products by considering their false promises.

I have bought the Sinope line-thermostat in late 2014 when it first came out in hopes that an API will be delivered as a promise to developers.  I work in software and can most likely write a working module for integration with Vera.

I will share my outmost disappointment about the product:

  • The promised API (a local API not the neviweb cloud api, but a direct calls to the RF gateway will be published for anyone interested).  Obviously that is a lie to get people on board to buy their product.
  • The thermostats were sold as having "Standby/Manual/Auto" operation modes. Clearly labelled on the box and instruction manual.  But 4 of early units I got does not have the Standby mode.  I want the Standby mode to be set on in the summer months. After contacting supports, this can only be done by sending the units back and have the units reflashed with latest firmware.  Also, support insisted that I have the bear all the shipping cost because of their f-up's with not providing the standby mode to begin with.  Even if they paid for shipping, it is a hassle detaching all the units from the wall and send it back for reflashing.  It's a cloud product, why can't you upgrade through the cloud?
  • The outside temperature setting used to work but has been broken ever since a year ago. but has yet to work since but new firmware is supposed to fix it. Again, these thermostats cannot be updated through the web and hence, i need to send in all 8 of my thermostats for service assuming all the shipping costs and all the inconvenience.
  • Developers.  Let me tells you why the likes of Apple and Google are successful.  It's because of developers and their platform.  Your smart thermostat is a great platform to build on but unfortunately, you have closed it off for anyone to do anything cool with it.  I don't doubt you have smart people working for you but there are great developers out there that will push the limit and build something even your product managers will never ever imagine as use cases.  So why why why are you putting yourself in such a bad position for your business.  You can be selling a lot of hardware here and make very good money here.  It has proven you guys are not a software company.  I poked around your gateway web code and neviweb interface web code, and it shows me your software is "meh..." engineering level.

Sinope, I hope you are reading this, because you have lost me as a current and future customer (possibly other customers because of your company practices).  For those of your considering these Sinope thermostats, beware you will be stuck in a closed platform.  If your thermostat won't work, you can't service it yourself or upgrade any of the software without costing you shipping both ways.  Overall, I am very very disappointed with the development over the past 2 years and will be replacing these with open standard Stelpro Z-wave line-voltage thermostats instead.

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Re: Line-voltage baseboard heater thermostat
« Reply #201 on: January 25, 2017, 05:02:01 pm »
I have been using transformer-relay + Nest with my line-voltage baseboard heater for couple years. Working like a charm.

http://www.smarthome.com/aube-rc840t-240-on-off-switching-electric-heating-relay-with-built-in-24-v-transformer.html
Amazon also has it.
It seems HomeDepot sells similar product:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cadet-5-KW-240-Volt-to-24-Volt-1-Circuit-Electric-Heating-Relay-with-Integral-Transformer-R841C1227/202849702

Pros:Works with Nest and my baseboard heater.
Cons:In order to have this module hidden, you likely need to cut a hole in your drywall to put it in. Licensed electrician is recommended just to be safe.

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Re: Line-voltage baseboard heater thermostat
« Reply #202 on: January 27, 2017, 07:33:58 am »
Maybe you're right for tehnology ... but if you compare the price ... $ 375 for the NEST and $ 75 for the Sinope ... it has a huge difference ... The problem is that I bought this brand because they promised to have an API running with Vera that was going to be available by the end of 2015 .... so far.....Bla bla bla ... Just wish that somebody from Sinope will answer to that...

"Temperature Monitoring & HVAC Control / Re: Line-voltage baseboard heater thermostat
Message by sinope on October 05, 2015, 05:35:46 am
Hi, My name is Valerie from Sinope. As previously mentioned we are working very hard to have the API by the end of this year. I will post something here as soon as it is available. You can also register to our newsletter (go to sinopetech.com to do so) to be kept informed on our new products and developments. As for the question about the 4000W I am happy to announce that it is now available. If you have any more questions please don't hesitate to contact us at info@sinopetech.com. We will be happy to answer them. Once again, thank you very much to you all for your interest."

« Last Edit: January 27, 2017, 07:41:38 am by Viruta57 »

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Re: Line-voltage baseboard heater thermostat
« Reply #203 on: February 05, 2017, 02:59:04 pm »
Hi,

i have been waiting for some time for something and when I saw mysa today, it looked very promising. I went ahead and pre-ordered 3. What also convinced me was the rapid response time from Joshua when I asked him about integration with vera, alexa, siri (homekit)...
here is a referral link http://mysa.refr.cc/joselsiles, if you purchase, I get $10 and so do you :)

Once i receive them in October 2017, I will update this thread with my findings.

Luis

Unfortunatly Zachary avoided the question while texting with him.  He kept running around the answer but he did finally tell me it doesnt work and they would be hopefully ready by oct launch.  I will pay the ten extra dollars when they say it will work properly and I will be watching this closely. 

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Re: Line-voltage baseboard heater thermostat
« Reply #204 on: June 30, 2017, 11:07:45 am »
Unfortunatly Zachary avoided the question while texting with him.  He kept running around the answer but he did finally tell me it doesnt work and they would be hopefully ready by oct launch.  I will pay the ten extra dollars when they say it will work properly and I will be watching this closely.

Can you clarify this post please? What doesn't work, the integration with Vera?