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Offline DeltaNu1142

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Re: Installation cost
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2014, 03:43:29 pm »
I hope I'm not the only one whose head spins while reading this thread.  :-\

Leviton Vizia (RF or not) allow for a three-way installation and they always return to neutral...  meaning, the pad on the bottom of the switch toggles the light on or off.

And charging any more for the installation of a Z-wave switch over a normal switch for a new construction resembles usury. You could argue that both Z-wave switches and receptacles are larger and require some more manipulation of the wiring in the box, but the prices you're quoting are around an 100% upcharge? That's nuts.
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Re: Installation cost
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2014, 04:48:42 pm »
How does that work if you don't turn it off with the same switch you turned it on with?

The switches are momentary. It sits in the middle so to speak. When you press up it returns to the middle when you let go. Si they always sit in the same spot weather they are on or off.   

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Re: Installation cost
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2014, 04:56:09 pm »

Leviton Vizia (RF or not) allow for a three-way installation and they always return to neutral...  meaning, the pad on the bottom of the switch toggles the light on or off.

So would you suggest a Leviton Vizia non RF and a aeotec Smart Microswitch to go with it? Or would you just install a Vizia RF switch?

And charging any more for the installation of a Z-wave switch over a normal switch for a new construction resembles usury.

This is because he is requesting to install a Aeotec Smart Microswitch in the wall along with a normal switch. That's double install and over double the wire connections then just installing a Z-wave switch vs. a non RF switch.
But if he don't like any of the available z-wave switches this is his only solution.


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Re: Installation cost
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2014, 04:59:42 pm »
How does that work if you don't turn it off with the same switch you turned it on with?

The switches are momentary. It sits in the middle so to speak. When you press up it returns to the middle when you let go. Si they always sit in the same spot weather they are on or off.   

This is why I like Leviton switches. I realize that all z-wave ones are like this as well. I just happen to use Leviton. What I, personally, like best about levitons is that they are the same no matter when you turn them on or off, you just hit the bottom*. Though to be honest, that confuses most guests that visit.

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*Of course this was before I found that it might be possible to double tap the top and get Vera to get the instant status twice do do some cool automation. I'm still not 100% sure you can do that with switches like Coopers (which have instant status and have a separate on/off areas on the switch), but if you could and it would work, I like that. For instance, double tap on to turn on all lights in a room or something like that.
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Re: Installation cost
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2014, 05:56:47 pm »
How does that work if you don't turn it off with the same switch you turned it on with?

The switches are momentary. It sits in the middle so to speak. When you press up it returns to the middle when you let go. Si they always sit in the same spot weather they are on or off.   

This is why I like Leviton switches. I realize that all z-wave ones are like this as well. I just happen to use Leviton. What I, personally, like best about levitons is that they are the same no matter when you turn them on or off, you just hit the bottom*. Though to be honest, that confuses most guests that visit.

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*Of course this was before I found that it might be possible to double tap the top and get Vera to get the instant status twice do do some cool automation. I'm still not 100% sure you can do that with switches like Coopers (which have instant status and have a separate on/off areas on the switch), but if you could and it would work, I like that. For instance, double tap on to turn on all lights in a room or something like that.
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You can double tap the top of Levitons for scene functions?  Is that only for standard switches because I don't see that with the dimmers.  I haven't had a chance to install my standard switches though.

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Re: Installation cost
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2014, 06:33:51 pm »

You can double tap the top of Levitons for scene functions?  Is that only for standard switches because I don't see that with the dimmers.  I haven't had a chance to install my standard switches though.

No, you cannot. The Levitons only push on the bottom (it's a "toggle" on/off). Cooper switches though have an on (top) and off (bottom). So you can press the top twice and the load will stay on. I had some non z-wave switches that acted differently depending on how many presses. It was my thinking that if a cooper switch had distinct on and off presses, then you could double tap "on" and it might be possible for the Vera to see that On was pressed twice*. If this is so, you could do some interesting stuff.

* I have no idea if the Coooper will do an instant status for each button press, but if it did, then you could do this stuff. I haven't researched it because if I found out you could do that, I would highly consider selling my Levitons and putting in Coopers just for this. Once again, I have NO CLUE if coopers will do this, it's just a supposition I had.
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Re: Installation cost
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2014, 11:29:23 pm »
All of my Coopers only have one physical button behind the "paddle" plate. Its near the middle from what I remember. I have various models and none of them do any kind of double press anywhere. No matter where you press (or double press), the first press always activates the switch. So double pressing just makes it turn on and off quickly. They are instant status as previously mentioned.

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Re: Installation cost
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2014, 11:46:39 pm »
All of my Coopers only have one physical button behind the "paddle" plate. Its near the middle from what I remember. I have various models and none of them do any kind of double press anywhere. No matter where you press (or double press), the first press always activates the switch. So double pressing just makes it turn on and off quickly. They are instant status as previously mentioned.

OK.. I figure the coopers had a distinct on and off. My bad completely. It must be the GEs that do it then? But then no instant status.

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Re: Installation cost
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2014, 01:13:18 am »
As for controllers over switches... do you have any recs?  Most of the ones I have found are rather ugly, and thought that going with the micro switch would give me flexibility in the actual flip thing that I can use.

Linear/Evolve are very basic and simple.  A 'center position' rocker that looks like it is half way between on and off all the time.  Click the top, light on.  Click the bottom, light off.  Genius really.  They have dimmers, switches, and controllers.  Full range of 'normal' colors, including black.  Also the least expensive.  Word on the street is that factory support isn't the greatest, but If you check the threads on here the capabilities of these products have been exhaustively tested.  I currently have 9 Linear switches/dimmers/controllers on order but they haven't shown up yet.  I am not expecting any surprises after reading up on them as much as I have. 

Micro switches are pretty sweet too, but make switch boxes a little tight.  I have 8-10 planned for my build, but they are all getting installed in the receptacle octagon box where there's a little extra room.  Trying to stuff a micro dimmer in a switch box with a z-wave controller might not work out so well...
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