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Re: Merten CONNECT compatibility
« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2010, 04:53:19 am »
Some technical background information can be found at http://board.homeseer.com/showthread.php?t=142612.

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Re: Merten CONNECT compatibility
« Reply #46 on: December 05, 2010, 03:37:58 am »
@itgo, thanx!

I really like your letter to the Zwave alliance. I live in Sweden and have installed a lot of Zwave devices. My plan was to control a lot of the house from the Schneider Electric (they bought Merten) Connect, 4-gang, 506004 (Swedish part nr ELJ053804) But as confirmed this doesnt work. Vera see it as an Motion sensor.

I have 8pcs of 506004 (quite expensive) and right now I need a PC or iPhone to switch on and of lights, its terrible.

@support/moderator: long time you answered this post. My question to you is if you see this case as "closed" and that the conclusion is that the 506004 isnt supported? Please reply
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Re: Merten CONNECT compatibility
« Reply #47 on: December 05, 2010, 04:08:58 am »
According to http://bugs.micasaverde.com/view.php?id=856 the 'case' is still open.

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Re: Merten CONNECT compatibility
« Reply #48 on: December 05, 2010, 04:16:03 am »
Year, right. As if the bugtracker would in any way be maintained better than the rest of the project.
I got a private emai from Mcv, stating that this device was "incompatible".

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Re: Merten CONNECT compatibility
« Reply #49 on: December 05, 2010, 07:28:50 am »
Hm...

and if you look at this other bug note (their seems to be two, are they identical?), you can raise your hand and ask the naturally question: what's the actual status? Is someone working on this or is it put on hold?

http://bugs.micasaverde.com/view.php?id=571#bugnotes

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Re: Merten CONNECT compatibility
« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2010, 07:36:35 am »
So I wonder how it is possible that Merten has been awarded the compatibility Zwave if this is not completely true, or if this is an issue only with the Micasaverde Vera!

It's not just Micasaverde related since I was not able to get this 2gang device to work with ACT or Homeseer.


Here in Finland these Merten Devices are sold under the name of Stömfors. Both Belong to Schneider group and thus are the same company.

I have contacted local Schneider Group and informed that they are selling z-wave product that is not fulfilling Z-wave as it should. They made a claim about this and since they belong to the same group, Merten will have to give official answer. I will be pressing Schneider Finland several times a week in order to get a full answer.

With the call I also got the info that this same 2gang devices is giving quite a headache to the help desk even if the system is made purely with Merten devices.... says a lot about the implentation of this device

As a consumer I see a few alternatives:

1) Schneider will replace all 2gang devices with 2pcs of 1gang to the consumers who are complaining about the z-wave interoperability

2) Schneider will publish the classes related to 2gang in order for other manufacturers to have this device supported AND will at same stage change the "code" of this device

Personally would opt for 2 since I really like the 2gang device.

Will send info here when / if I will get some anwsers :)
Vera 2, 27 nodes, android and touch (ivera). Me likes!

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Re: Merten CONNECT compatibility
« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2010, 07:43:37 am »
Hi again.

I live in Sweden and I have contact with Schneiders Connect (the product name in Sweden) guru. I made a summarize for him and he has forwarded this to the Schneider xevelopers in Germany. As soon as I have some answer I will share it

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Re: Merten CONNECT compatibility
« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2010, 09:52:07 am »
Hi, i have also written to the representative  Merten Italy of the group Shneider who wrote me yesterday saying he had forwarded my questions to the central group in Germany.
I hope to get a response soon.

I should add that I'm testing devices and specifically Merten Connect the sensor Argus Radio 220 (mnt 509.519). Even in this case is not recognized by Vera and I reported the problem to Micasaverde assistance.

I will keep you informed of developments in this matter.

Bye
Vera2 (111047)- Merten (Danfoss) 509201 - Merten remote 506923 - Merten radio 4 gang 506004 - Merten switch 2x 507502 - Merten switch x1 507501 -Merten radio pliug adapter dimmer 508619 - Merten Radio-Argus 220 sensor 509519 - Merten Blind control  580698 and 504546 - Merten - Panasonic  BL-C111

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Re: Merten CONNECT compatibility
« Reply #53 on: December 22, 2010, 04:14:02 am »
Hi again

Could a workaround be to build a Zwave-KNX connection? With Luup programming? Use KNX language towards the Merten 4gang and Vera as a gateway between them and all other stuff in the house.

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Re: Merten CONNECT compatibility
« Reply #54 on: December 22, 2010, 05:03:27 am »
An easier/cheaper 'workaround' could be to use merten's "Funk-Konfigurator CONNECT" (http://www.merten.de/html/en/10300.html) to configure all Z-Wave devices and then to transfer the control to Vera (as secondary controller). Requires http://www.merten.de/download/DL_doku/506801_CONNECT_USB_Datenschnittstelle_INT.pdf. There are some success stories for the merten/Homeseer combo at http://forums.homeseer.com/showthread.php?t=139256&highlight=merten+connect.
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Re: Merten CONNECT compatibility
« Reply #55 on: December 22, 2010, 06:24:41 am »
Thanx for tip. Have thought about this.  Have ordered the usb today. Will come back with result, if any...
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Re: Merten CONNECT compatibility
« Reply #56 on: December 22, 2010, 08:18:18 am »
Just a word of caution:
There seems to be no elegant way to make a non-primary Vera a primary controller again
(http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=1305.msg4367#msg4367).

IIUC, the best solution would be to use the merten USB data interface as secondary inclusion controller with Vera in SIS/SUC mode (assuming the merten device comes with controller library 1.53 or later ...).

Further reading:
http://zwaveworld.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=396
http://www.smarthus.info/support/download/zwave/zwave_install.doc
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=112.msg658#msg658
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Re: Merten CONNECT compatibility
« Reply #57 on: December 29, 2010, 06:46:41 am »
Does the 506004 have a Z-Wave logo?

On this device zwave logo is not present. Within the manual, however, is specified using the protocol zwave
Vera2 (111047)- Merten (Danfoss) 509201 - Merten remote 506923 - Merten radio 4 gang 506004 - Merten switch 2x 507502 - Merten switch x1 507501 -Merten radio pliug adapter dimmer 508619 - Merten Radio-Argus 220 sensor 509519 - Merten Blind control  580698 and 504546 - Merten - Panasonic  BL-C111

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Re: Merten CONNECT compatibility
« Reply #58 on: January 03, 2011, 10:29:36 am »
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IIUC, the best solution would be to use the merten USB data interface as secondary inclusion controller with Vera in SIS/SUC mode (assuming the merten device comes with controller library 1.53 or later ...).

I just got the word from merten Germany that "merten devices cannot be used as inclusion controller".

merten Germany suggests adding all Z-Wave devices to the 'Funk Konfigurator CONNECT', configuring all Z-Wave devices there and finally adding Vera as a secondary controller to the 'Funk Konfigurator CONNECT'.

Just a word of caution:
There seems to be no elegant way to make a non-primary Vera a primary controller again
(http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=1305.msg4367#msg4367).
« Last Edit: January 03, 2011, 10:32:26 am by Ap15e »

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Re: Merten CONNECT compatibility
« Reply #59 on: January 03, 2011, 11:58:31 am »
Hi again

I've just built a project with Schneider (Merten) Connect program and their USB dongle.

I thought about trying to connect Connect with Vera to see how it works. But over time you build the project in the Connect, it is their USB dongle which is the master, but when you are finished and disconnects the radio connection, it is a battery-powered Schneider (Merten) unit that becomes the master. Is this battery-powered transmitter then acting master for all my Z-wave network?

Will it over time to serve to have Vera as a slave?
Are there any obvious disadvantages in addition to all the new z-wave devices must first be added to the Connect, and then included in Vera?