Author Topic: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount  (Read 31892 times)

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I would have had no problem painting but with no 6x14 vents I can't adjust my living room and kitchen area vents to push more air to my master bed room's 6x10 vent. Which is the idea. :( I'm somewhat surprised they don't carry 6x14 as it's not that unusual a size. Especially in older homes.
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I would have had no problem painting but with no 6x14 vents I can't adjust my living room and kitchen area vents to push more air to my master bed room's 6x10 vent. Which is the idea. :( I'm somewhat surprised they don't carry 6x14 as it's not that unusual a size. Especially in older homes.

I'm in a similar boat although it's not a deal breaker for me. With my master bedroom 6x12 vent, I might just add a 24v damper with an AC Power source inline on that duct and add a Z-Wave outlet in my attic that I can turn on or off to open or close the damper with the same scene that I use for my vents. I already have power in the attic so a Z-Wave outlet to control a damper would be a simple solution if I decide that having that vent open all the time causes an issue with my end goal. Fortunately the dampers are cheap enough and that particular duct line is isolated/dedicated and very easily accessed. As such, it would be a very easy DIY solution for me.  My only concern about the damper is that I have read that some of them heat up when power is applied to keep them open or closed. That is something I will have to do some more research on to determine the best damper should I need to go that route.

Like you, I was a bit surprised that the 6x12's aren't available but knowing that the demand for Z-Wave or automated vents isn't as big as one might think, it's kind of difficult for a small company to cover every vent size. Something I completely understand as I run a small company myself. Albeit a completely different industry. Fortunately for me, there is more than one way to skin this cat.
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I would have had no problem painting but with no 6x14 vents I can't adjust my living room and kitchen area vents to push more air to my master bed room's 6x10 vent. Which is the idea. :( I'm somewhat surprised they don't carry 6x14 as it's not that unusual a size. Especially in older homes.

I'm in a similar boat although it's not a deal breaker for me. With my master bedroom 6x12 vent, I might just add a 24v damper with an AC Power source inline on that duct and add a Z-Wave outlet in my attic that I can turn on or off to open or close the damper with the same scene that I use for my vents. I already have power in the attic so a Z-Wave outlet to control a damper would be a simple solution if I decide that having that vent open all the time causes an issue with my end goal. Fortunately the dampers are cheap enough and that particular duct line is isolated/dedicated and very easily accessed. As such, it would be a very easy DIY solution for me.  My only concern about the damper is that I have read that some of them heat up when power is applied to keep them open or closed. That is something I will have to do some more research on to determine the best damper should I need to go that route.

Like you, I was a bit surprised that the 6x12's aren't available but knowing that the demand for Z-Wave or automated vents isn't as big as one might think, it's kind of difficult for a small company to cover every vent size. Something I completely understand as I run a small company myself. Albeit a completely different industry. Fortunately for me, there is more than one way to skin this cat.

If you get to far you might as well just setup a zoned system. I installed a 4 zone honeywell controller and damper for each bed room in the house.
The Dampers are made to be powered up when the zone is active. I use these, but in different sizes. 

http://www.supplyhouse.com/Honeywell-ARD10-10-Round-Automatic-Damper-11619000-p?gclid=CjwKEAjw96aqBRDNhM6MtJfE-wYSJADiMfggE1M58XUFoxQ2vFx7rm2pwIuvyfzIJDDGwUS5C-hLFhoCGBjw_wcB

Never hear about them getting hot and they were designed for this use.

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I would have had no problem painting but with no 6x14 vents I can't adjust my living room and kitchen area vents to push more air to my master bed room's 6x10 vent. Which is the idea. :( I'm somewhat surprised they don't carry 6x14 as it's not that unusual a size. Especially in older homes.

I'm in a similar boat although it's not a deal breaker for me. With my master bedroom 6x12 vent, I might just add a 24v damper with an AC Power source inline on that duct and add a Z-Wave outlet in my attic that I can turn on or off to open or close the damper with the same scene that I use for my vents. I already have power in the attic so a Z-Wave outlet to control a damper would be a simple solution if I decide that having that vent open all the time causes an issue with my end goal. Fortunately the dampers are cheap enough and that particular duct line is isolated/dedicated and very easily accessed. As such, it would be a very easy DIY solution for me.  My only concern about the damper is that I have read that some of them heat up when power is applied to keep them open or closed. That is something I will have to do some more research on to determine the best damper should I need to go that route.

Like you, I was a bit surprised that the 6x12's aren't available but knowing that the demand for Z-Wave or automated vents isn't as big as one might think, it's kind of difficult for a small company to cover every vent size. Something I completely understand as I run a small company myself. Albeit a completely different industry. Fortunately for me, there is more than one way to skin this cat.

If you get to far you might as well just setup a zoned system. I installed a 4 zone honeywell controller and damper for each bed room in the house.
The Dampers are made to be powered up when the zone is active. I use these, but in different sizes. 

http://www.supplyhouse.com/Honeywell-ARD10-10-Round-Automatic-Damper-11619000-p?gclid=CjwKEAjw96aqBRDNhM6MtJfE-wYSJADiMfggE1M58XUFoxQ2vFx7rm2pwIuvyfzIJDDGwUS5C-hLFhoCGBjw_wcB

Never hear about them getting hot and they were designed for this use.

I looked at going that route but will all the lines, duct sizes and the mess of ducts I have, it got really expensive in a hurry. The current route with the Econet vents and even a additional damper should I need it will be a fraction of the cost. Heck, the whole setup will cost me less than $600 with the 5 or 6 vents, an additional 24v damper, z-wave switch and a barometric bypass damper. With the route I am going, I can use my Ecobee3 thermostat and take advantage of the additional temp senors that I got with my Ecobee once the updated Ecobee/Vera plugin is released.  Going the full multi zone setup with dedicated dampers runs into the thousands when it's all said and done.

These Econet vents add a level of simplicity that a traditional damper based zoned system doesn't and does so at a fraction of the cost. All while being able to control it via our Vera's using scenes and our existing thermostats.
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I'm 4x10.  I need these in both white and brown/wood.  surprised they come in that size, but only white, where all others come in brown as well?

there are apparently Decorative home automation floor, wall and ceiling registers/vents, Avialable March 2015  :-)

Any news on these?

THANKS

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I'm 4x10.  I need these in both white and brown/wood.  surprised they come in that size, but only white, where all others come in brown as well?

there are apparently Decorative home automation floor, wall and ceiling registers/vents, Avialable March 2015  :-)

Any news on these?

THANKS

The decorative ones from what I understand are still upwards of a month out (possibly more) and will start in very limited sizes. I forgot what size will hit the market first but they will be released  one size at a time and spaced a couple months apart between sizes. As with any new product release, things rarely go as planned as far as release dates which judging by the target release in March, appears to be the case here.

With regards to the brown ones, he can supply the Z-Wave module in brown with the white registers. Then all you need to do is paint the register. How many brown ones were you thinking? I will talk to him and see if there is anything he can do. You could get creative and add a faux wood finish to the register and snaz it up a bit. There are a few easy techniques for doing that. Here is a video of one such technique.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEFyv1-kEng

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I'm 4x10.  I need these in both white and brown/wood.  surprised they come in that size, but only white, where all others come in brown as well?

there are apparently Decorative home automation floor, wall and ceiling registers/vents, Avialable March 2015  :-)

Any news on these?

THANKS

ok... that helps.   i'm in for

5 total, all 4x10
3 with white zwave mods
2 with brown zwave mods.

thanks!

The decorative ones from what I understand are still upwards of a month out (possibly more) and will start in very limited sizes. I forgot what size will hit the market first but they will be released  one size at a time and spaced a couple months apart between sizes. As with any new product release, things rarely go as planned as far as release dates which judging by the target release in March, appears to be the case here.

With regards to the brown ones, he can supply the Z-Wave module in brown with the white registers. Then all you need to do is paint the register. How many brown ones were you thinking? I will talk to him and see if there is anything he can do. You could get creative and add a faux wood finish to the register and snaz it up a bit. There are a few easy techniques for doing that. Here is a video of one such technique.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEFyv1-kEng

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Sounds good. That's 10 between you and I.. Hopefully we can get a few others to commit so we can get to our target cost.

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Slief,

Where are you will this? Have you hit the 25 mark yet? In a previous post i stated i would purchase 2.

Thanks

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Slief,

Where are you will this? Have you hit the 25 mark yet? In a previous post i stated i would purchase 2.

Thanks

Not at the 25 mark yet. So far we have 12 committed for including your two. We are about half way there right now but it's only been a week. I need to talk to my AC guy as he expressed interest in some as well although he knows nothing about home automation.  He'd defer on me for the HA integration. I'm not holding my breath with him though. We will give it a bit more time here and see who else commits and then I will talk further with Econet if we fall short. If I were active on other HA forums, I'd lure them here but unfortunately this is the only HA forum I participate in. 

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I really need a hard wired version (not battery powered).  I have a couple of registered that I need to control that are in very hard to reach ares (under furniture that is not movable, between furniture etc), so having to fiddle with changing batteries that I only adjust frequently in the spring and Fall, is a non starter.  All my vents are near outlets would love to see if there is a simple power conversion to allow battery free operation, I would definite buy several if that is the case.

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I really need a hard wired version (not battery powered).  I have a couple of registered that I need to control that are in very hard to reach ares (under furniture that is not movable, between furniture etc), so having to fiddle with changing batteries that I only adjust frequently in the spring and Fall, is a non starter.  All my vents are near outlets would love to see if there is a simple power conversion to allow battery free operation, I would definite buy several if that is the case.

If you are remotely handy, you could easily hardwire a 3V AC adapter into the Z-wave module. You would need to drill a hole through the battery cover and solder the positive wire to the positive terminal and the negative to the negative terminal inside the module. It would take me about 5 minutes to as I am really competent when it comes to soldering and DC wiring. I would probably take it a step further and add a female jack to the battery cover so the AC Adapter could plug right in but given that the AC Adapter plugs into an outlet, that isn't really needed. Anyway, if you are serious about not needing batteries, this is all you would need to make it happen. If you are weary about soldering or don't have somebody that could do it for you, I'd be happy to help as long as you cover the AC Adapter cost and shipping of the vents. I get Amazon prime so it wouldn't cost me anything to ship the AC adapters.
http://www.amazon.com/3V-Adapter-Power-5-5-2-1mm/dp/B009SNGQXU     

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I really need a hard wired version (not battery powered).  I have a couple of registered that I need to control that are in very hard to reach ares (under furniture that is not movable, between furniture etc), so having to fiddle with changing batteries that I only adjust frequently in the spring and Fall, is a non starter.  All my vents are near outlets would love to see if there is a simple power conversion to allow battery free operation, I would definite buy several if that is the case.

Here are a couple other alternatives that wouldn't require any soldering but get more costly.

This is a turnkey Dual AAA (3v) battery eliminator kit. This would essentially be plug and play with the Econet vents.
http://www.batteryeliminatorstore.com/index.php?id_product=30&controller=product

This is another alternative. This one has two battery eliminators AC adapters in it but it's designed for 3 AAA batteries. You could use this kit to cover two Econet vents only you would use 1 dummy battery in each one along with their AC Input battery. You would however need to pair it with the 3V AC Adapter I mentioned in my previous post. It would cost you about $52 total to power two Econet vents without having to do any soldering. Personally, I like the $6 AC Adapter and soldering route but obviously that is not for everybody.
http://www.amazon.com/Power-Battery-Eliminator-Lanterns-Candles/dp/B00JPYQJCU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431096411&sr=8-1&keywords=battery+eliminator+2+AAA
 


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I just wanted to warn you guys about using these dampers without installing a return bypass system (correctly balanced). You reduce the air flow enough you could get liquid refrigerant flooding back to the compressor, which will cause damage over time.
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I just wanted to warn you guys about using these dampers without installing a return bypass system (correctly balanced). You reduce the air flow enough you could get liquid refrigerant flooding back to the compressor, which will cause damage over time.

Yep, You definitely don't want to block off too many vents at once if you don't have a bypass. This was touched upon on the previous page.  I will be installing a barometric bypass damper. They are cheap and easy to install in most systems. Granted, I will only be blocking off a few vents at a time so I likely won't need it but I will have one at my disposal should I need one. The other alternative if you have a lot of vents that will be closing at once is to not close the vents all the way. Fortunately with these vents, you have the option of opening or closing in 10% increments so you could reduce the pressure in the plenum by not closing all the vents or at least not certain vents all the way. The upside to the bypass damper is that it can actually make the AC system more efficient because the cold air inside the AC or Hot air for that matter is recycled through the system via the bypass. The end result is that the air coming from the vents is colder or warmer depending on whether you are in cooling mode or heating mode.

For anybody who is concerned, this is a decent instructional video on installing a barometric bypass damper. They install between the supply and return side of the AC.. In my system, the install would take me less than 20 minutes. I have an AC installer who is a good friend of mine and we discussed this at length. Fortunately it isn't a big deal on my system and for me, the added zone type control with these vents is well worth the effort. 
http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/video/0,,20504377,00.html

For reference, this is a barometric bypass damper. They can be had less at some AC Supply places. I'm able to get them locally for about $50.00
http://www.discounthomeautomation.com/RCS-Round-Barometric-Bypass-Damper-12-Inch-RC12RDB?CAWELAID=120154320000000385&CAGPSPN=pla&catargetid=120154320000144124&cadevice=c&gclid=COiXwYa9ssUCFVIV7Aodx2kApA