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LED recessed lights, what dimmer to buy?
« on: May 14, 2015, 12:49:18 pm »
Based on searching and reading the forum, I understand that Linear do not support instant reporting but I could not find clear answer to if GE 12724 did support instant reporting back to Vera.

Here are the two options I am looking at:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006LQFHN2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

or

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E1OVFAK/ref=gno_cart_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1GO776JZJGBGT

Just to add, this is the chart I am looking at and is Cooper my only option? How are people working around the instant status update issue?

http://www.homeseer.com/compare-z-wave-dimming-wall-switches.html

Thanks in advance
-AM
« Last Edit: May 14, 2015, 12:52:31 pm by activemind »

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Re: LED recessed lights, what dimmer to buy?
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2015, 12:55:31 pm »
I don't believe so, but for like $12 more you can get the Leviton one that does:

http://www.amazon.com/Leviton-VRMX1-1LZ-Universal-Magnetic-Voltage/dp/B005Y8JC6Q

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Re: LED recessed lights, what dimmer to buy?
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2015, 01:00:08 pm »
True, but I was put off by the dimming rocker on this switch. I tried it in store and its just so crappy. I am not sure wife would approve.

How reliable is the workaround for instant update if I do end up going with Linear?

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Re: LED recessed lights, what dimmer to buy?
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2015, 02:16:56 pm »
Upon reading some more, some people say that GE/Jasko DO support instant updates? Is that true? What model?

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Re: LED recessed lights, what dimmer to buy?
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2015, 02:21:38 pm »
More expensive but does pretty much everything...is this the gold standard?

http://www.amazon.com/Cooper-Wiring-Devices-RF9540-NAW-Multi-Location/dp/B00EZVM6SY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431627162&sr=8-1&keywords=cooper+zwave+dimmer

I really like the price point and looks of GE and Linear dimmers but dont know how reliable the polling workaround is?

Can someone chime in please who has experience with it?

-AM

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Re: LED recessed lights, what dimmer to buy?
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2015, 02:48:31 pm »
More expensive but does pretty much everything...is this the gold standard?

http://www.amazon.com/Cooper-Wiring-Devices-RF9540-NAW-Multi-Location/dp/B00EZVM6SY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431627162&sr=8-1&keywords=cooper+zwave+dimmer

I really like the price point and looks of GE and Linear dimmers but dont know how reliable the polling workaround is?

Can someone chime in please who has experience with it?

-AM

More expensive leviton are better (not going to argue that), they have more options, more features and allow more color changing (physical switch color, in my kitchen I needed black and GE doesn't have black. I went with Evlove in the kitchen) choices. Do you need any of that in your setup?  That's your call.

I have between 3 houses probley 70 plus GE switches bought at the local LOWES store for 30-35.00 each. They work great, easy to pair, easy to buy, easy to return (thanks to lowes and iris). They don't have a true instant status (but as you have read they do act like it in most cases and in all of my installs) but you may not need that. All my devices report to vera as if they do have instant status except for the aux switch in a GE dimming 3way setup. If you search the forums here that is a common problem. If I use the AUX dimmer on the 3way it will not update status for some time. If I use the main switch in that setup or any of the other switches in my house they all update vera faster then I can check it.

Do you fully understand what instant status is and do you need it (it's better to have then not to, not going to argue that)?

Do you have any switches that your going to want to base other switches on and off of? Example you turn on the front porch light and you want a matching 2nd light on a different switch to come on at the same time? Something that supports associations would be nice or better suited then GE for this.

If your just going to be using the switches normally, turning on and off via mobile device, running scenes to turn off when you leave or get home or go to sleep, then you probley don't need the more expensive switches.

My suggestion would be if price is not an issue start with the best. If your cheap like me then try out the GE's first (expressly if you have a local LOWE's) if they don't work for you return them and get something else. If anything I would use GE's where you can then use more expensive switches where needed in special cases.

GE also has a fan Switch probley half price or more vs. the other brand.

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Re: LED recessed lights, what dimmer to buy?
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2015, 03:23:37 pm »
Coopers support instant status, and I like the look feel of them way better than the Leviton, like you hate that rocker thing (but yes the Levitons have a bit more features)

The prices on the Coopers have really come down on Amazon as well.  You can get them most days for $50-$60, over the $80-$100 they were 6 months ago.

The GE's don't officially support instant status, but Vera has implemented a software solution that is "like" instant status. However it only works if the switch is close enough to the Vera as the software solution only works if the switch can talk directly to the Vera.

Note that I do have one cooper dimmer that is really far away from my Vera and instant status sometimes doesn't work when turning off (because of the dimming ramp, it might delay a second or two, on always works), never had any trouble with the cooper switches (non-dimmers) and instant status even if the switch is far away.


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Re: LED recessed lights, what dimmer to buy?
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2015, 04:27:32 pm »
Thank you guys for the detailed responses. I am new to zwave scene and picking up bits and pieces of info in this forum.

If instant status does not work on GE and Linear, why not go with Linear? They are yet cheaper.

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Re: LED recessed lights, what dimmer to buy?
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2015, 04:32:40 pm »
My usage for now is going to be quite simple. So as 'integlikewhoa' suggested, Im thinking of going with the cheaper option and see if it satisfys my requirement. If not, I will but the more expensive one and use this one elsewhere.

Now the question is, GE or Linear? Linear is cheaper by $13 on amazon for the dimmer.

-AM


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Re: LED recessed lights, what dimmer to buy?
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2015, 04:49:52 pm »
If instant status does not work on GE and Linear, why not go with Linear? They are yet cheaper.

For me Linear is not cheaper (can you provide links) and it's not easy to get. For me lowes hardware stores are every few miles apart they stock them along with other z-wave devices and they have 5.00 off 50.00 coupons codes.

Also if GE has instant "like" status and linear does not and they are both even the same price. I would go for GE. But if I ever need to replace or warranty one for any reason LOWES makes it so easy to put anything in the box and return it. 

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Re: LED recessed lights, what dimmer to buy?
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2015, 04:52:30 pm »
Now the question is, GE or Linear? Linear is cheaper by $13 on amazon for the dimmer.

Lowes is 34.99 on/off  and 39.99 dimming without the online discount code that can be found on google.

I'm going to assume you have no Lowes local to you?

EDIT:
http://www.lowes.com/pd_339578-1353-45639_1z0ym5g__?productId=3707738&Ns=p_product_price|0&pl=1

And
google to compare the two found this thread also.
http://board.homeseer.com/showthread.php?t=170657
« Last Edit: May 14, 2015, 04:56:12 pm by integlikewhoa »

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Re: LED recessed lights, what dimmer to buy?
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2015, 05:16:05 pm »
Sorry, I do have Lowes near me.

Here are the two products on Amazon (GE and Linear)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E1OVFAK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1GO776JZJGBGT

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006LQFHN2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

and I checked Lowes, they have GE for $40

http://www.lowes.com/pd_339578-1353-45639___?productId=3707738&pl=1&Ntt=ge+zwave+dimmer

You still think I should go with GE rather than Linear?

Thanks again for taking the time.

-AM

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Re: LED recessed lights, what dimmer to buy?
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2015, 05:31:01 pm »
You still think I should go with GE rather than Linear?

I'm biased I have a ton of them. So your call. Lowes is easy to go get some and return if you don't like them. I also have their smoke detectors, water leak/flood sensor and GE outlets. If you look at this site mid way down you can see they have a coupon code for 15.00 off a 50.00 order. Order 2 switches and that makes them 32.49 each. Order online with that code and pickup in store.

http://slickdeals.net/f/7071014-lowes-com-coupon-code-for-20-off-100-10-off-or-15-off-50-50-off-250

Screen shot showes 2 dimmers with 15.00 off code applied and tax added. Comes out to 35.00 each dimmer and I can pick up in 10 min and be ready to play.

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Re: LED recessed lights, what dimmer to buy?
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2015, 05:40:07 pm »
Thanks for doing the legwork for lowes $15 off code. Spent some more time reading the Homeseer forum link you sent.

I think I will go ahead and buy the GE and give them a shot.

There is only 1 piece in stock in all 5 lowes near me. So let me see if I can order them online for ship to store.

-AM

 

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Re: LED recessed lights, what dimmer to buy?
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2015, 05:43:48 pm »
Thanks for doing the legwork for lowes $15 off code. Spent some more time reading the Homeseer forum link you sent.

I think I will go ahead and buy the GE and give them a shot.

There is only 1 piece in stock in all 5 lowes near me. So let me see if I can order them online for ship to store.

-AM

Get a dimmer and a regular, you'll get hooked. Like I said I own smoke detectors, and all now. LOL

That coupon expires in a week or so, but they just change the code and re pop back up with either 10 or 15 off. I have been using them for 2 years now. They may not work for a bit but then they pop back up and start working again with a new code.