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Re: A new iPhone app unveiled ... iVera is here!
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2010, 01:47:25 pm »
Ah, right you are. Thanks.

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Re: A new iPhone app unveiled ... iVera is here!
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2010, 04:02:10 pm »
I agree with most $30 is too high. I understand that it's not a huge market and millions of people won't be buying the app to be able to bring the price to .99 but $30. I can't believe people would put out $50 for the SQ. That's just plain nuts. At $10 you may get a whole lot more takers and make more in the long run. I wonder if they based the price off the SQ app and thougt this is much less everyone will buy it. Wrong. Personally I don't even find the smart phone web page to be that difficult.

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Re: A new iPhone app unveiled ... iVera is here!
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2010, 04:19:35 pm »
I agree with most $30 is too high. I understand that it's not a huge market and millions of people won't be buying the app to be able to bring the price to .99 but $30. I can't believe people would put out $50 for the SQ. That's just plain nuts. At $10 you may get a whole lot more takers and make more in the long run. I wonder if they based the price off the SQ app and thougt this is much less everyone will buy it. Wrong. Personally I don't even find the smart phone web page to be that difficult.
Why is $50 bucks for SQ remote nuts? Its very good value considering the limited market; especially when we spend silly money on other Home Automation items!

Vera is another example where you pay at least 66% of the $300 cost towards software but do you complain there?

I don't want to detract from this thread too much but they are different products.

If you want simple and easy then go with iVera, or use the smart phone interface and stop comparing it to cheap 99C apps with a bigger target. These developers put a lot of hours into this stuff and there has to be a ROI!

If you want polish, flexibility and extensive setup that any self deserving Universal Remote that would usually have (and cost hundreds of bucks) , then SQ is for you!
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Re: A new iPhone app unveiled ... iVera is here!
« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2010, 08:15:23 am »
I really like both of these apps - iVera for it's simplicity (I've been a beta user) and SQ Remote for its customizability (only used the free local version).   But (and this may just be me), I use the apps out of convenience and curiosity and not need.   If I need to remotely control Vera while away from home, I'm never far from a computer and findvera.com.   Given that, the $30 and $50 pricetags are a bit hard to justify.    But I certainly can imagine applications where immediate access to Vera  from wherever you are is a necessity and for those, either of these products is a no-brainer. 

And while I understand why people want to try before you buy, let me throw my 2 cents in - iVera is an elegant and highly intuitive product that does exactly what it sets out to do. 


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Re: A new iPhone app unveiled ... iVera is here!
« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2010, 11:20:40 am »
Do any of you remember back in the 80's and 90's how long it would take to  program the remotes for your TV/VCR/STEREO?

And now your bitching that it take 30 minutes to setup SQ remote which controls your entire house?  ::)

Nobody is THAT busy. Program the damn thing during commercials of Fringe.  :D
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Re: A new iPhone app unveiled ... iVera is here!
« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2010, 12:04:18 pm »
Do any of you remember back in the 80's and 90's how long it would take to  program the remotes for your TV/VCR/STEREO?

And now your bitching that it take 30 minutes to setup SQ remote which controls your entire house?  ::)

Nobody is THAT busy. Program the damn thing during commercials of Fringe.  :D
That would take some quick editing and multi tasking, I always watch Fringe after recording it and fast forward through the commercials. :)
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Re: A new iPhone app unveiled ... iVera is here!
« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2010, 12:27:46 pm »
I really like both of these apps - iVera for it's simplicity (I've been a beta user) and SQ Remote for its customizability (only used the free local version).   But (and this may just be me), I use the apps out of convenience and curiosity and not need.   If I need to remotely control Vera while away from home, I'm never far from a computer and findvera.com.   Given that, the $30 and $50 pricetags are a bit hard to justify.    But I certainly can imagine applications where immediate access to Vera  from wherever you are is a necessity and for those, either of these products is a no-brainer. 

And while I understand why people want to try before you buy, let me throw my 2 cents in - iVera is an elegant and highly intuitive product that does exactly what it sets out to do. 



My unsolicited $.02 is, you're absolutely right. These developers are creating a unique app for a unique product and will likely never make any/much money off them. I bought both apps because I want them both to continue to develop. I don't think either app is perfect but if no one buys them, the developers will have no reason to improve them. I've committed a lot of time and money into my home automation and a bit more to make sure development continues seems like a cheap investment to me.


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Re: A new iPhone app unveiled ... iVera is here!
« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2010, 11:37:32 pm »
I agree with most $30 is too high. I understand that it's not a huge market and millions of people won't be buying the app to be able to bring the price to .99 but $30. I can't believe people would put out $50 for the SQ. That's just plain nuts. At $10 you may get a whole lot more takers and make more in the long run. I wonder if they based the price off the SQ app and thougt this is much less everyone will buy it. Wrong. Personally I don't even find the smart phone web page to be that difficult.

The smart phone plug-in is fine for beginners, but use it a while and the delays from it not being a native app will start wearing on you.

Lets do the math:
$250 for Vera Software (router is $30-$50)
$50 for SQ Remote software

It seems right in line IMHO, Vera becomes almost unuseable when going through a browser after you have tasted the speed of a native app like SQ Remote.  These third-party control app developers should charge twice what they are charging given the amount of work involved and investment on their part.  So it is like getting 50% off from the get go.  Millionaires pay tens of thousands for the control we are getting in the thousand range.  Know a good deal when you see it.

I don't buy apps, even $3 ones, but I don't regret buying SQ Remote or similar offerings because they have great value.

I haven't used iVera, but if it is just a native version of the smart phone plug-in then $30 might be a bit steep. maybe more like $15-$20 just because SQ Remote set the bar for total control and customization for only $50.
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Re: A new iPhone app unveiled ... iVera is here!
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2010, 11:46:27 pm »
These third-party control app developers should charge twice what they are charging given the amount of work involved and investment on their part.  So it is like getting 50% off from the get go.  Millionaires pay tens of thousands for the control we are getting in the thousand range.  Know a good deal when you see it.

You pretty much nailed it Shady.

Unfortunately the devs can't afford smug marketing teams like Apple, and they create a brilliant app but sell it short for what it is.

What they should do is introduce their apps at $99. Let people get all hot and bothered about the price for two weeks.

Then when the customers are grabbing for the door exit, they use the old "ACT NOW! 50% OFF! APP ONLY $50! LIMITED TIME OFFER!!"

I bet nobody would complain about the $50 price tag
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Re: A new iPhone app unveiled ... iVera is here!
« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2010, 08:55:49 pm »
There is something I don't really understand here.. You guys probably paid like me around $300 for VERA. Then some of you paid a couple of hundred for the modules that goes around. Some other paid probably a couple of thousand to make your whole house smart. So what's the big deal with the $30 for iVera ? I'd really like to understand how you guys think a software should be priced ? You have to remember that there is 1 or more people who wrote the application behind the door. It's certainly not like something that was written in one night...

It feels like the whole internet is like that now. Everybody wants stuff for free.
I have a board on the side, with over 10,000 active users. It takes ME time to upgrade the softwares, keep the board up to date with the latest breaking news, remove the spammers, answer all the questions from the newbies. Oh, and I pay a dedicated server almost $300/month for it to run. It's an AD-FREE board, so you don't have the google crap all over.

Yeah, well.. back in december 2008, I chose to have the members pay $5/year.
A couple of hundred people paid, and I received a couple of thousand emails telling me that this was UNACCEPTABLE. You have to be kidding me right ? So under the pressure of those thousand people, I put it back for free, and I still pay the $300/month so THEY can use the information and get their I will not swear working. I'm sure you guys did bitch when the iPhone came out because it was not free..

You see the thing here ? So I think a good idea might have been for ivera to say "The application is $100, and you'll get it for a limited time for $29.99" then people would not have been bitching.

Let's make a point here: Do you want to be able to remote control your house from your iphone/ipad  , yes or no ? If yes, then stop being cheap and just pay the $30. I did, and I do not regret it. The application is working like a charm, and this is what I am looking for. I don't want to go on a computer on findvera and look at things. I just want to have ON MY PHONE, anywhere I am under AT&T coverage, the ability to monitor my house.

And remember. As long as vera lives, you'll probably have iVera. This is an application that you're going to keep for ever. Do the maths. 5, or even 10 years from now (yeah, cause I plan to live in my brand new house at least 10 years) is like paying 24 cents a month for the app.

Remember that you have free upgrade with it. And as it says on the web site thinkiwi, if you have an unknown module, they'll work on it for you.

I say stop complaining, and go ahead. The only thing where I would agree is that a free demo app. would be probably a good idea for the people who are not sure. Mr iVera, if you're listening, just make something with 30 days limit, or something limited to 2 modules and 1 scene. I'm sure you'll find a compromise.

Thanks for reading my 2 cents, and don't yell at me. Just talk nicely. Thanks


PS: I have nothing to do with iVera. I'm just a user.
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Re: A new iPhone app unveiled ... iVera is here!
« Reply #40 on: June 12, 2010, 03:07:25 am »
Simon I think you hit it perfectly. We all expect free apps because there are thousands or hundreds of thousands of them that work great for many, many different things and the precedent has been set for free apps. (even without ads.) So why is this one so much?

If you left the $5 charge for your site and people needed the info they would pay it. But if not you lose out on potential ad revenue if you went that route instead. I think most people would rather put up with ads then pay. It's just the way of the internet. We all want stuff for free now days when it comes to apps and the internet.

That said if I felt I really needed the app I may pay the price, but for as often and I use the phone to access Vera it's just not worth it for me. Your mileage may vary. I sit at my desk an awful lot so I'm not the best person to judge its usefulness. I have a favorite shortcut set to Findvera on the phone so when I do need it it's quick and works for my needs.

I do agree with you about the demo app being that it works for a software program that I sell on the internet for businesses. Either a trial or a limited funtionality app would work. I personally like the fully funtional trial.

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Re: A new iPhone app unveiled ... iVera is here!
« Reply #41 on: June 12, 2010, 12:34:39 pm »
Just make it for Android and I'm in!!!
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Re: A new iPhone app unveiled ... iVera is here!
« Reply #42 on: June 14, 2010, 12:57:17 pm »
Just chiming in here to clarify - I think people are misunderstanding some of the earlier posts.

I don't think $30 is too high for this app. I think it's great of them to offer a nice clean, easy to use alternative for a reasonable price. For my part I was merely responding to the question posed earlier asking for general thoughts on it. 

In sort my response was: Looks cool, glad they made it, unfortunately I recently spent the $50 for SQ Connect so I have no need to buy another app right now.

If you are just getting started with Vera, or just about to purchase your first iPhone/iPad, the iVera app looks like a great choice. Though I do wish there was an option for people to try it out before buying to make sure it met their particular need.  When I first started using the free feature set of SQ, I wasn't sure if I would need the app or not. But having it on my phone allowed me to get used to and then come to "need" (hah) the functionality, which made the $50 investment a no brainer.


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Re: A new iPhone app unveiled ... iVera is here!
« Reply #43 on: June 14, 2010, 01:35:07 pm »
Hello everyone and thank you very much to all of you who have already been supporting iVera! 

Your comments and feedbacks have been heard and I am glad to announce that a new FREE version of iVera is about to be submitted for approval to the AppStore!

As you can imagine, this iVera Lite version has limited functionalities : you will still be able to access all the features available in iVera (including connecting to your Vera locally or remotely) however, only the first two lights (dimmer or switch) and scenes will actually be controllable.

Have a good day!
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Re: A new iPhone app unveiled ... iVera is here!
« Reply #44 on: June 14, 2010, 01:47:10 pm »
*applauds*