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Re: A Doorbell and Alert System all in One
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2016, 11:09:11 am »
Question to those who already have one of these items, looking at amazon reviews a number of folks are citing poor performance of the door bell (lack of range) can anyone confirm. I also saw a comment that a person had to fiddle with orientation (of the door bell or receiver?). Mike
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Re: A Doorbell and Alert System all in One
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2016, 11:50:43 am »
Hi MNB,

It was my comment in Amazon about orientation that you probably saw. That was because when I was deciding whether to purchase this unit or not, I saw the same statements that you did, that these problems existed - but the cost of the unit and the promise to be able to get it to also serve as a message system was so attractive that I went ahead and purchased it with the knowledge that if it didn't work I could always return it.   

As others had experienced, at first I got no response when I pressed the button ... then I found I could get it to ring  intermittently and noticed that the difference between no response and the latter had to do with the orientation of the transmitter (button) unit.  So I rotated it 90 degrees at a time and tested it in each position and found that when the sending unit had the button at the lower part of the transmitter - it worked perfectly and for very large distances (e.g. from the front door, outside of the house, to a room in the basement - about 40 feet away), with no problems at all. 

For the past 3 weeks (since it has been permanently installed), it has worked 100% of the time.

Hope this helps.
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Re: A Doorbell and Alert System all in One
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2016, 12:18:59 pm »
Hi Again,

Just want to enter an update to let you know that last week I purchased and installed a second doorbell since I wanted the messages to also play on the second floor of my house - since i have the first unit in the basement and with the bedroom door closed in the back of the house it can be very hard to hear.  The bottom line: Both this new unit along with my first unit are working perfectly.

Here is how I set it up: When I received the new unit, I unplugged my first receiver and attached both to my PC.  Then I just copied the files from unit 1 to unit 2.  I then plugged both units in (#1 back in the basement and #2 in the hallway on the second floor).  I linked unit #2 to Vera and then (using the same procedure as I did below) wrote down the new unit's AlTID#

I then edited all of the scenes where I had placed my LUUP code to activate the messages.  To do this - I copied the first LUUP statement and pasted it below the first line of code.  I then changed the AlTID number on the second line to reflect the correct value.  One word of warning ... the number in the code for a given message may change for unit #2 (it will remain the same for unit #1) - even though you did a straight copy of messages from unit #1 to Unit #2, message 8 on line one may now be message 4 on the new line; so there could be a minor hassle here - but I was able to get everything up and running from unboxing to operation in about an hour (with finding the correct numbers for the messages in unit #2 - the longest pole).

Again - Hope this helps
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Ken
« Last Edit: January 06, 2016, 09:10:47 am by coticon »
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Re: A Doorbell and Alert System all in One
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2016, 12:33:18 pm »
@Coticon

Ken, 

Do both units respond to the same physical button?

Thanks,

Donnie



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Re: A Doorbell and Alert System all in One
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2016, 03:39:38 pm »
@coticon, many thanxs for the update and supporting information. Based on you experience you've seem to have figured out the pro/cons and having your door bells working, out of curiosity what is furthest distance between door bell & receiver? I assume that the door button is not z-wave device but rather the receiver is the z-wave device which suggest that the weak link is the RF between the door button? Mike
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Re: A Doorbell and Alert System all in One
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2016, 01:07:23 am »
 I installed the doorbell and is working only if I press the transmitter button for about 4 seconds (until the blue ring light around the button is gone). Most of the people coming to the door won't keep pressing the button for over 4 seconds and the doorbell will not rung. Does anybody has this issue? Thanks.

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Re: A Doorbell and Alert System all in One
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2016, 11:00:21 am »
To MNB - Hi Mike - I measured the distance to both bells - the farthest is about 24 feet from the button and one floor down (i.e. in the basement), the second is about 20 feet and 1/2 floor up.

To Aztigh - That was the same problem that I had initially.  Bring both units close to each other and re-orient the transmitter unit (button) and see if a different position solves the problem.  With my unit - a single light press of the button is all that I need.  If that fails, contact Aeon Labs (they have an email address), and see what they suggest.  If the unit is not defective, you should be able to get it to work.
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Re: A Doorbell and Alert System all in One
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2016, 11:20:00 am »
Hi Donnie,

Sorry I did not see your question previously.  Yes, both units respond to the single button; so I put the second button unit away and will use it in the future if the first ever fails.  I spoke with Aeon Labs at the beginning of my installation to see if they had "repeater receivers" that I could purchase instead of having to buy a second doorbell to extend the audible message zone around our house.  They responded that they did not at this time but were looking into it; hence, I purchased the entire unit for the extended setup.
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Re: A Doorbell and Alert System all in One
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2016, 12:48:51 pm »
Thank you coticon for your suggestion. In my case turned out that the battery that came with the wireless button was weak. After I replaced the battery it worked but I still have an issue. Whenever I press the button to ring the doorbell, I have to press it twice.
The first press does nothing, but additional presses light up the button and ring the bell. If I repeatedly press the button within 5-6 seconds, it rings the bell most of the time. The first press only wakes up the transmitter and additional presses ring the bell. I confirmed with Aeotec that the button goes to sleep after a few seconds but no solution to fix it yet.  Do you have this issue with yours?

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Re: A Doorbell and Alert System all in One
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2016, 01:02:31 pm »
Wow - I'm happy that you solved the range issue but very sorry that you are required to press the button twice to get a response. My button rings the first time with just a lite press.  My suggestion is to call Aeon Labs and tell them that others do not have this issue - and if there is a sleep mode they should be able to tell you how to suspend it and if there is not - then they should replace the button.  Company's tech departments sometimes hope to stall you long enough so that you will become discouraged and not follow through.  Unfortunately what they don't realize is that when you walk away it has a negative impact on one's word of mouth opinion of the company and its product.  They would  be far wiser to keep following up and working with you until the problem is solved.

Good Luck and I would be interested in how this resolves.  Stick with it - tenacity is the buyer's best friend.
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Re: A Doorbell and Alert System all in One
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2016, 01:13:17 am »
Coticon, I can also say that your Amazon review was the deciding factor in the purchase of this product. I bought two: one for our master bedroom and one for he main area of the house. The master unit announces which door is open (as we cannot see which doors are or aren't open from our room) and the main just alerts anyone in the house that one of the many doors/sliding doors are open.

I'm having delay problems (sometimes as much as 7 second delays between a door sensor triggering the sound notification) and the notifications repeating themselves when I've specified Perameter 2 as 1. Each scene has ringtone, volume, and repetition parameters specified in the LUUP field (and in no particular order, either).

Any tips that would A) Speed up the sound to match the timing of the actual trigger and B) Keep the sound notifications from repeating themselves despite the LUUP code I'm using?
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Re: A Doorbell and Alert System all in One
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2016, 01:04:44 pm »
Hi Lotsaplots - sorry for the delay in replying to your question but I wanted to test each of the 38 messages that I have stored in the unit to see what the lag is between the activation of the scene and the transmission of the message.  I found the following:  the message for the doorbell button press is immediate (within 1 second), but this is a direct function of pressing the button and does not involve Vera; an alert messages generated as a result of a scene event that requires activation of a device (e.g. thermostat is changed, furnace kicks in, message that heat has been set) can range from 10 seconds to 20 seconds - after the scene is triggered ... fortunately these  messages are not time critical so I can live with that; messages triggered as a result of an alarm (e.g high water detected in the laundry room) are announced in less than 3 seconds - which is a relief since these are sensors which are time critical (fire alarm, motion detection, flooding).

If your delays are with units which just send an alarm - there might be a distance issue - suggestion: try moving the sensor closer to either Vera or the Aeon Labs unit to see if that reduces the delay - if this is the case you might want to install any other ZWave device in the transmission path to serve as a repeater which might help with relaying the signal.  Still thinking about this one ... you might try to reduce the size (perhaps sample rate) of the MP3 file with the longer delay to see if this helps - also look at the placement of messages on the Units EEPROM to see if messages closer to #1 respond faster than MP3s that are higher on the list ...

With respect to the double announcement - no, have never figured out how to make it a single message ... but since many of the messages merit repeating (to these senior ears) - I've let it stand as is.

I'm also going to use this post to insert a note about what to do if one or more of the Aeon Labs receiver units stops sending the door chime or message that someone is at the front door.  This happens because the door bell transmitter button and the receiving or messaging unit have "un-linked" ... to remedy this ... press the Volume - and Volume + buttons at the same time, on the "malfunctioning" receiver unit - you will see that the led indicator on that unit will start flashing rapidly ... then within 8 seconds, press the wireless doorbell button once to complete pairing.

Hope this helps.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2016, 01:40:09 pm by coticon »
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Re: A Doorbell and Alert System all in One
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2016, 11:30:22 pm »
Okay, here is the challenge I am facing. I have setup a PLEG condition to send me a notification if the doorbell button has been pressed. The trigger is the "device turned on" which obviously comes from the doorbell being activated from the button press. Thing is, I would like to also utilize a scenes with different messages just as this thread is all about. Here is the rub... all the scenes create a "trigger" and I cannot filter out what is a doorbell button press and what is a scene activation. I thought perhaps I could detect the configuration variable and use that to filter, but I am not sure just and my trial and errors seem to be errors only. Thanks in advance.
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Re: A Doorbell and Alert System all in One
« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2016, 01:40:18 pm »
Hi Nutron,

If you can give me a specific example of what you would like to do perhaps I can help work it out.
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Re: A Doorbell and Alert System all in One
« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2016, 09:19:45 pm »
Hi coticon,

Thank you for the offer. Here is what I am trying to achieve:

To begin with I have PLEG sending me a VeraAlert text message anytime my 78yr old mother's doorbell button has been pressed.
At 4:30Pm each day I want my mother's doorbell to announce "It is time to take your I will not be a spammer". When this happens I do not want to receive a VeraAlert message that my mother's doorbell has been rung.

Problem seems to be that any time the doorbell is tripped, I get the VeraAlert. I think I may have a work around using virtual switches but I am open to any suggestions for the best way to achieve this.

Thanks again in advance,

Nutron
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