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Offline Z-Waver

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Re: Veraplus Compatible Zigbee Devices ***Let's Get This List Going***
« Reply #60 on: March 12, 2016, 09:10:33 am »
@ChrisK - It doesn't work that way with Zigbee, no matter how much you may like it it. As Marc said

 
with ZigBee, we have to do something for every device that we want to add to the platform. You can't really just pick a device and add it and expect it to work unless it is on the compatibility list.

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« Reply #61 on: March 12, 2016, 11:08:55 am »
@Z-Waver, thanks, but I still don't understand what the point of having a standard is if every device is unique.  I am not trying to be difficult and want something that cannot be, I just want to understand it. 

On the Vera Plus, there is an option to pair a generic ZigBee device.  I don't know what it could be used for if only specified devices can be paired.  I would think a contact sensor, dimmer or an appliance on/off module would be generic devices and they should work.

I paired my Iris Contact Sensor once.  On the Vera Plus it recognized it as a CentraLite 3320-L.  It did take several tries to pair it, but it worked for days when it finally did. Then it showed up as device not detected.  Now I have not been able to pair it again.  It suggests to me that is a Vera Plus issue.  Maybe new code can resolve this, I don't know.

So, is Vera Plus with its current version of UI7 fully compliant with HA 1.2, or is it a work in progress? 

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Re: Veraplus Compatible Zigbee Devices ***Let's Get This List Going***
« Reply #62 on: March 12, 2016, 06:12:39 pm »
You do understand it. Zigbee is just a crappy standard that was not very well thought out in terms of device capability and communication definition.

That's the end of it. Good protocol, poorly defined standard which led to 'custom' device definitions and now have to be added and tested one at a time.

We don't have to like it, but we do have to accept it because it is reality.

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« Reply #63 on: March 12, 2016, 07:56:55 pm »
@JasonJoel, thank you for your reply.  What a disappointment.  ZigBee is the main reason I bought the Vera Plus.  I have spent a lot of time today reading about ZigBee.  So much potential...  It is a shame.  I wish I knew this before I bought the Plus.  Aaron was right.



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« Reply #64 on: March 14, 2016, 11:12:51 am »
Chris, all things have their place. Zigbee is working towards the kind of inter-compatibility that Z-Wave is know for.

We will continue to add more devices as time goes on. Some devices may work when added via the Generic Device wizard. If you don't want to risk it stick, to the devices on the compatibility list. 


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« Reply #65 on: March 14, 2016, 12:07:17 pm »
I ask Micasaverde about interfacing to electric meters with the VeraPlus. Their answer show just how screwed Zigbee is. If it was properly done not of this would matter.

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Our platform has a Zigbee Ha 1.2 integration but not an SEP integration at
this time. Our experience is that, in fact, the smart meter manufacturers
have used various "proprietary" variants of the SEP profile and there is
not a common interoperability. If there is a large scale opportunity, we
could surely work with a particular utility and smart meter to do the
integration development.

I can't find the email but one other thing they said was that you can't run HA 1.2 and SEP on the same Zigbee radio so two different radios would be required.

Zigbee is such a MESS!!!

Guess I'll have to get a Rainforest gateway.

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Re: Veraplus Compatible Zigbee Devices ***Let's Get This List Going***
« Reply #66 on: March 14, 2016, 01:33:30 pm »
Chris, all things have their place. Zigbee is working towards the kind of inter-compatibility that Z-Wave is know for.

We will continue to add more devices as time goes on. Some devices may work when added via the Generic Device wizard. If you don't want to risk it stick, to the devices on the compatibility list.
Thanks Marc.  I think I bought my ZigBee device before the current compatibility list was published.  My bad to assume things would work like that.  I don't imagine you can tell us what kind of time frame before an update comes out that can expand the list? 
   

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« Reply #67 on: March 14, 2016, 09:49:03 pm »
I am not giving up on Vera yet, but in the past half hour I have installed a SmartThings hub.  I need to know how ZigBee is supposed to work.  Set up was very easy.  My Iris Contact Sensor paired in no time.  The temperature and battery condition are there.  Easy peazy. Cool!  I cannot wait to get some Cree ZigBee light bulbs. 


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« Reply #68 on: March 16, 2016, 01:21:02 pm »
I am not giving up on Vera yet, but in the past half hour I have installed a SmartThings hub.  I need to know how ZigBee is supposed to work.  Set up was very easy.  My Iris Contact Sensor paired in no time.  The temperature and battery condition are there.  Easy peazy. Cool!  I cannot wait to get some Cree ZigBee light bulbs.

We are continuing to evaluate and ZigBee devices. We are evaluating what devices users are asking for and it is not lost on us the benefit of being able to go to a store like Lowes or Home Depot and being able to walk in and buy it.

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Re: Veraplus Compatible Zigbee Devices ***Let's Get This List Going***
« Reply #69 on: March 16, 2016, 03:22:06 pm »
Thanks Marc - Is there something that we can do to help - harvest what these devices report out as or with testing to help you accelerate? In my case with the Keen Smartvents, the support team was able to get one device working, but when I asked how I add the remaining 6 smart vents I have, I was told they weren't compatible and would be put on the list for future support.

Maybe all we can do as a community would be to help vote for priority via a crowdsourced list and be early adopters as alpha & beta support becomes available. Let us know how we can be a force multiplier for you.

Dave M.

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« Reply #70 on: March 17, 2016, 10:45:38 am »
Thanks Marc - Is there something that we can do to help - harvest what these devices report out as or with testing to help you accelerate? In my case with the Keen Smartvents, the support team was able to get one device working, but when I asked how I add the remaining 6 smart vents I have, I was told they weren't compatible and would be put on the list for future support.

Maybe all we can do as a community would be to help vote for priority via a crowdsourced list and be early adopters as alpha & beta support becomes available. Let us know how we can be a force multiplier for you.

Dave M.

Dave, that is an interesting idea. I'll bring it up in our team meeting tomorrow. The other thing you could do is put pressure on the manufacturer that you want to integrated on to the platform that Vera should be a priority to them, that will allow for a better dialogue between us. Integration of devices works best when we work closely together.

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« Reply #71 on: April 01, 2016, 03:27:16 pm »
I second Dave's suggestion. I would like these contact sensors to work as well. Especially since they're $11 each.

Dan

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« Reply #72 on: April 06, 2016, 01:19:14 pm »
Has anyone got the Commercial Electric Zigbee downlight to work?

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-5-and-6-in-Smart-LED-Recessed-Downlight-53166161/206029900

Is this light works 100% with Vera Plus I would buy a Vera Plus... I have $1000 worth of these lights in my house running on Wink - would love to kick Wink to the curb.

I have 13, 6 on one switch and 7 on another but I have not been able to get them to work yet.I did ditch Wink and put these on a Caseta dimmer but I would love to be able to control them individually again.

Any further progress update on these?  Just curious.  Thanks

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« Reply #73 on: April 07, 2016, 01:39:35 pm »
Me too!

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« Reply #74 on: April 07, 2016, 07:55:27 pm »
Has anyone got the Commercial Electric Zigbee downlight to work?

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-5-and-6-in-Smart-LED-Recessed-Downlight-53166161/206029900

Is this light works 100% with Vera Plus I would buy a Vera Plus... I have $1000 worth of these lights in my house running on Wink - would love to kick Wink to the curb.

I have 13, 6 on one switch and 7 on another but I have not been able to get them to work yet.I did ditch Wink and put these on a Caseta dimmer but I would love to be able to control them individually again.

Any further progress update on these?  Just curious.  Thanks

I was never able to get mine to work. I did receive feedback that they would look into adding them but there have been no updates since.