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Offline Aaron

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Re: Veraplus Compatible Zigbee Devices ***Let's Get This List Going***
« Reply #75 on: April 08, 2016, 12:05:55 am »
Thanks Marc - Is there something that we can do to help - harvest what these devices report out as or with testing to help you accelerate? In my case with the Keen Smartvents, the support team was able to get one device working, but when I asked how I add the remaining 6 smart vents I have, I was told they weren't compatible and would be put on the list for future support.

Maybe all we can do as a community would be to help vote for priority via a crowdsourced list and be early adopters as alpha & beta support becomes available. Let us know how we can be a force multiplier for you.

Dave M.

Dave, that is an interesting idea. I'll bring it up in our team meeting tomorrow. The other thing you could do is put pressure on the manufacturer that you want to integrated on to the platform that Vera should be a priority to them, that will allow for a better dialogue between us. Integration of devices works best when we work closely together.
Would be nice to see a compatibility road map... So we know what is being worked on. I suspect some people are waiting for specific devices to work with V+ before we consider purchasing.
With the rash of users being vocal about moving to other platforms of hope you would want to try to stop losing some of the best supporters

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Re: Veraplus Compatible Zigbee Devices ***Let's Get This List Going***
« Reply #76 on: April 08, 2016, 12:31:28 pm »
I am on the fence on how much more time I will wait for Vera to get their act together.  My Vera Lite controls my Z-Wave devices, while my Plus has a couple of devices in test mode.

Not wanting to wait forever, I started looking at the competition, I tried out a Wink hub.  It was disappointing, and I returned it.  I wouldn?t rule them out in the future, but for now they have more work to do.

I also purchased a SmartThings hub.  It has its issues, but there are some things that I really like about it.  They sell an Arduino shield with a ZigBee radio.  I picked up one of these things for $35.  It is really cool!  If you are into Arduinos like I am, there are so many possibilities!  I have also connected an XBee to the SmartThings hub.  It doesn?t do anything yet, but it proved to me that I could do it.

My main complaint about SmartThings is their dependency on the Cloud.  However, with a bit of work you can do thing locally.  Then again, my Plus also has some cloud dependencies.  So here I am, do I spend my efforts on the SmartThing where I have a lot of work to do, or wait for Vera?  I am really losing my patience with Vera. 

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Re: Veraplus Compatible Zigbee Devices ***Let's Get This List Going***
« Reply #77 on: April 11, 2016, 04:08:39 pm »
Has anyone got the Commercial Electric Zigbee downlight to work?

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-5-and-6-in-Smart-LED-Recessed-Downlight-53166161/206029900

Is this light works 100% with Vera Plus I would buy a Vera Plus... I have $1000 worth of these lights in my house running on Wink - would love to kick Wink to the curb.

I have 13, 6 on one switch and 7 on another but I have not been able to get them to work yet.I did ditch Wink and put these on a Caseta dimmer but I would love to be able to control them individually again.

Any further progress update on these?  Just curious.  Thanks

I was never able to get mine to work. I did receive feedback that they would look into adding them but there have been no updates since.
I skipped the commercial electric device and tried the GE link Br30 zigbee bulb.   It performs like the other GE link bulbs.   In case anyone had concerns about it being recognized.   I only have purchased one since it is for s special purpose location. 

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Re: Veraplus Compatible Zigbee Devices ***Let's Get This List Going***
« Reply #78 on: April 11, 2016, 11:30:17 pm »
Has anyone with GE Link bulbs had any issues with them being unpaired with the VeraPlus?  I have a bunch currently connected to my Wink hub and randomly I have to reconnect 1-2 bulbs, sometimes more, every month.  Just curious if this was a Wink hub issues or GE Link issue.

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Re: Veraplus Compatible Zigbee Devices ***Let's Get This List Going***
« Reply #79 on: April 12, 2016, 04:47:52 am »
Has anyone with GE Link bulbs had any issues with them being unpaired with the VeraPlus?  I have a bunch currently connected to my Wink hub and randomly I have to reconnect 1-2 bulbs, sometimes more, every month.  Just curious if this was a Wink hub issues or GE Link issue.

I had similar problems about two weeks ago with five GE Link bulbs directly paired with my VeraPlus.  I learned that the GE Link bulbs are easy to unpair as described below.  I moved all five GE Link bulbs to lamps that are always powered.  I use a MiniMote to turn them on, dim them, and turn them off.  I have not had any problems since I adopted this approach.
 
"To unpair a GE Link bulb, start with your GE Link bulb turned on. Then turn off the light and wait 3 seconds. Turn on the light and wait 3 seconds. Repeat turning the light off and on (approximately 5 times) until the bulb flashes once. As soon as the bulb dims and goes back to full brightness it has been reset."

NOTE: I observed that the unpairing can occur much sooner than 5 off-on cycles.

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« Reply #80 on: April 12, 2016, 01:51:28 pm »
I had similar problems about two weeks ago with five GE Link bulbs directly paired with my VeraPlus.  I learned that the GE Link bulbs are easy to unpair as described below.  I moved all five GE Link bulbs to lamps that are always powered.  I use a MiniMote to turn them on, dim them, and turn them off.  I have not had any problems since I adopted this approach.
 
"To unpair a GE Link bulb, start with your GE Link bulb turned on. Then turn off the light and wait 3 seconds. Turn on the light and wait 3 seconds. Repeat turning the light off and on (approximately 5 times) until the bulb flashes once. As soon as the bulb dims and goes back to full brightness it has been reset."

NOTE: I observed that the unpairing can occur much sooner than 5 off-on cycles.
Oh yes, I am very familiar with resetting the GE Link bulbs, I just had to do it yesterday for my front porch light.  All of my fixtures with GE Link bulbs are always on, it seems to happen randomly.  Sometimes it will be just 1 bulb loses connection in a fixture of 3, if it happens on multiple hubs then it's probably the bulbs.

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Re: Veraplus Compatible Zigbee Devices ***Let's Get This List Going***
« Reply #81 on: April 12, 2016, 03:02:28 pm »
My bulbs are within 20 feet direct line of sight of my VeraPlus and work without any issues.

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Re: Veraplus Compatible Zigbee Devices ***Let's Get This List Going***
« Reply #82 on: April 28, 2016, 08:55:33 pm »
Tried to Pair a Philips Hue White Single bulb.   This is a simple controllable bulb, no color change capability.

" Tried to Pair using a Generic Zigbee.   Bulb was "discovered" but could not be configured.
Has this been fixed with current versions of philips hue?  People on the smartthings forum claim that philips hue pairs fine as a zigbee ZHA device.

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« Reply #83 on: May 12, 2016, 08:30:13 pm »
Wanted to say I got my Vera Plus working with the NYCE ZigBee door hinge sensors.  The NYCE part number is NCZ-3010-HA.  This is the ZigBee HA-1.2 compliant version.  I think you want to avoid the C4 version, which is only for Control4.  I actually bought mine off the shelf at Lowe's. They say "#752888 works with IRIS" on them.

It was not explicitly listed under Add Device, so I had to add it as a Generic ZigBee Device.  Two out of three I got going with little trouble.  It figured out they were door sensors and was able to display advanced configuration options.  I very quickly got these operational.

The third device was finicky.  It was able to pair it, and it showed up as a door sensor.  However I could not arm it, and there were no configuration options.  After playing with it a while, suddenly it was fully functional.

In short, these devices are not officially supported but appear to operate with the system.  There may be some quirks when initially setting them up, so YMMV.

One thing to note.  You may need to bend the contact tab slightly with a screwdriver so that it makes contact when the door is closed.  I'm still putting my system together, so I can't say much about reliability or continued use.  I'll report back once I have everything operating and I've used it for a while.

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« Reply #84 on: May 19, 2016, 07:03:58 pm »
Tilt sensing functionality for the NYCE Garage Door (Tilt) Sensor Model NCZ-3014 is working with my VeraPlus.

Wanted to say I got my Vera Plus working with the NYCE ZigBee door hinge sensors.  The NYCE part number is NCZ-3010-HA.  This is the ZigBee HA-1.2 compliant version.  I think you want to avoid the C4 version, which is only for Control4.  I actually bought mine off the shelf at Lowe's. They say "#752888 works with IRIS" on them.

It was not explicitly listed under Add Device, so I had to add it as a Generic ZigBee Device.  Two out of three I got going with little trouble.  It figured out they were door sensors and was able to display advanced configuration options.  I very quickly got these operational.

The third device was finicky.  It was able to pair it, and it showed up as a door sensor.  However I could not arm it, and there were no configuration options.  After playing with it a while, suddenly it was fully functional.

In short, these devices are not officially supported but appear to operate with the system.  There may be some quirks when initially setting them up, so YMMV.

One thing to note.  You may need to bend the contact tab slightly with a screwdriver so that it makes contact when the door is closed.  I'm still putting my system together, so I can't say much about reliability or continued use.  I'll report back once I have everything operating and I've used it for a while.

I have the NYCE tilt sensor going, too.  Again, I bought the Iris version off the shelf at Lowe's.  One thing I notice with both the garage tilt sensor and the door hinge sensor.  Both paired with the Vera Plus quite easily.  However, both devices did not immediately give me an option to arm/disarm them under Devices.  The option magically appeared several minutes later.  Maye the system had to download something, or it just took a while to completely configure.  I don't know.

An update on the hinge sensors.  I have them installed on all the doors of my house know.  In each case, it took quite a bit of adjustment for the sensor tab to make contact when the door closes.  I do not know if this is an "adjust once and forget it" issue, or if I will have to continuously have to re-adjust them.  Only time will tell.

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« Reply #85 on: July 09, 2016, 07:03:06 pm »
Further update.

I've found the NYCE door hinge sensors to be too much trouble.  I guess I have too much gap between my doors and the door frame, and I was constantly having to re-adjust the tab to keep from getting false alarms.  Not the sort of reliability you want for a door sensor, so I removed them.

In their place, I am using the Iris magnetic contact sensors from Lowe's.  They are only $20.  They too are ZigBee HA1.2 compliant, and they do work with the system.  However, again getting them configured with the system seems to be a little bit of work.  They will pair right away, and the Vera Plus will start "configuring".  However, it never seems to finish configuring.  After a few attempts at re-pairing and rebooting the Vera Plus, suddenly they are working.

So yes, the work with the Vera Plus.  I just don't know the secret combination to getting a clean pairing and configuration.  I've got three set up now, about to start the fourth.

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« Reply #86 on: July 10, 2016, 02:40:13 pm »

In their place, I am using the Iris magnetic contact sensors from Lowe's.  They are only $20.  They too are ZigBee HA1.2 compliant, and they do work with the system.  However, again getting them configured with the system seems to be a little bit of work.  They will pair right away, and the Vera Plus will start "configuring".  However, it never seems to finish configuring.  After a few attempts at re-pairing and rebooting the Vera Plus, suddenly they are working.

So yes, the work with the Vera Plus.  I just don't know the secret combination to getting a clean pairing and configuration.  I've got three set up now, about to start the fourth.

When you got the contact sensor paired, does it report battery level and temperature?

Mine would pair with the original firmware.  I took forever to configure, but did not report temperature or battery condition. After maybe a day, the device could not be detected.

On the latest firmware, it would pair but it didn't configure.  I had already wasted way too much time on this so I didn't spend much more.  Back to my Smartthings hub, it pairs and configures in seconds.  It also reports battery level and temperature.  Vera needs to do more work on this before I will use it.


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Re: Veraplus Compatible Zigbee Devices ***Let's Get This List Going***
« Reply #87 on: July 11, 2016, 05:25:36 pm »
Why the heck is it such a challenge to add ZigBee devices to Vera Plus? It is not like I am adding anything new that my Vera Plus is alien too, they are the same devices that have been set-up and working just fine. But it seems the biggest challenge with Vera Plus and ZigBee is the inclusion process. It is a touch and go thing. Sometimes randomly they get included and work and sometimes it needs an act of God to have the devices included. Come on MCV give us some answers here, please! I have the following working (iris contact sensor, ST water leak) and trying to add more but it just wouldn't include. I have spent days on this and it is driving me crazy...

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« Reply #88 on: July 25, 2016, 12:00:12 am »
It is going to take several years before the Zigbee manufacturers stop futzing with the Zigbee HA profiles and/or the profiles become feature-rich enough to not need futzing with so that zigbee devices "just work."  Zigbee is the ideal tech to use if a manufacturer wants a walled garden without starting from scratch. There are no real teeth on zigbee compatibility as far as I know. Zwave, however, has required compliance testing.

I am going to repost from Amazon's home automation guide to show this isn't just my opinion or that I am willing for Vera:

...the ZigBee Certified mark by itself is not enough to ensure interoperability. In most cases, you will need to purchase all your ZigBee home control products from the same brand, because each manufacturer is free to implement ZigBee in its own proprietary way.

Link:
Amazon.com Home Automation: Communication Protocols Guide

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Re: Veraplus Compatible Zigbee Devices ***Let's Get This List Going***
« Reply #89 on: July 25, 2016, 01:14:47 am »
A few comments here. The VeraPlus firmware was definitely buggy on the Zigbee side not allowing "unknown" zigbee devices to pair without crashing the Luup engine. This seems to have been fixed in the last firmware. (One fix but 2 new things broke but that's a different topic).
The other thing to note about zigbee is that although it is thoroughly embraced by Samsung ST, it is inherently a very poor choice of network for home automation and it is indeed really tailored for proprietary applications with customizations: (The Philips hue, plant link hub, Keen hub, Roomba remotes (Xbee), Ecobee remote sensors (even more proprietary but zigbee based)... to name a few)
It was another weakness which is that it runs at 2.4GHz which:
1. Has a poor range compared to Zwave at the same RF power.
2. It operates in a super cluttered spectrum (Microwave oven, Wifi, Bluetooth, Sonosnet, wireless phones, baby monitor etc...)
3. It offers only 4 channels to pick from with 3 of them right in the middle of the wifi spectrum... have fun finding a channel that works reliably if you have multiple zigbee networks like I do.
All this limits the range even more with the insane amount of noise you can get.

Overall a very HA unfriendly solution besides just the fact that the HA profile is just not up to par with zwave.
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