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Re: 4-Way wiring with GE 12724 & GE 12723
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2016, 04:50:50 pm »
@magnum003 - If your circuit looks like your first diagram, then you cannot use the GE switches, as you were already told by @rbakley. But you could use an Aeon in-wall switch as in the attached diagram.

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Re: 4-Way wiring with GE 12724 & GE 12723
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2016, 04:52:16 pm »
Hi Steve,

Yes the first figure is what I figured your situation to be.   Why did you include the second diagram?   If you had the circuit from the second drawing then you could make it work by putting the main dimmer in one box and a scene controller in the second box.  The first box would use the white for neutral, black for hot and red for load.   The second box would have hot and neutral and the red would not be used or needed.

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So the reason for the second diagram was to show where the neutral wire originates and where it needs to get to supply my 4-way.  SW1 from the 4-way and SW2 from the 3-way are in the same junction box (neither has a neutral wire).  The neutral wire lives in SW1 of the 3-way diagram/figure.


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Re: 4-Way wiring with GE 12724 & GE 12723
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2016, 05:05:41 pm »
@magnum003 - If your circuit looks like your first diagram, then you cannot use the GE switches, as you were already told by @rbakley. But you could use an Aeon in-wall switch as in the attached diagram.

Thanks for the drawing z-waver.  Kind of what I was afraid of.  The problem is that the light fixture that has the line+neutral is jam packed with wires (IIRC there were 4 separate 2-wire cables entering that box).  I don't think I have room to get a micro-controller in there as well.  I don't think I can run it from the second fixture with just load and neutral. 

Steve

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Re: 4-Way wiring with GE 12724 & GE 12723
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2016, 05:20:06 pm »
Hi Steve,

BINGO!

If you are willing to change out the foyer light switches in the second diagram for a Zwave dimmer and a WT00Z scene controller then you can make this work without adding wires.   Power and neutral will feed to both lights from the foyer SW1 using the white and black wires.    SW1  in the foyer circuit will be re-wired so that the white is neutral, black is hot and red is the load.   SW1 will feed hot and neutral up to the light fixture and then back to SW2 to power the WT00Z.     The Red wire from SW1 will feed the light along with the neutral. 

This way you will have hot and neutral in the box for SW1 in the first diagram.   The two wire connects the load and neutral to the light.   the 3 wire cable continue the neutral and traveler to the GE auxiliary switches in the other boxes.    The 2 wire that goes to the first light is not used.

I probably confused you, but maybe you can see what I am trying to explain.

-bob

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Re: 4-Way wiring with GE 12724 & GE 12723
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2016, 05:39:35 pm »
Thanks Bob.  I get what you're saying all the way up until I get in to the box with SW2 (3-way) and SW1 (4-way).  I've now got neutral in the box where I need it.  If I understand correctly, you're saying I need to now use the hot and neutral wires from the foyer circuit to power the "hallway" circuit on which the lights controlled by the 4-way are powered (keeps things kosher and doesn't switch the neutral).  So the existing 2-wire that comes in to the first light (hot and neutral on it's own circuit for hallway) get's wire nutted and taped never to be discussed again? 

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Re: 4-Way wiring with GE 12724 & GE 12723
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2016, 05:42:52 pm »
Hi Steve,

Yes you got it.   Sorry it was confusing to try and explain.  I am not real good with creating diagrams.    The downside is that you have the additional expense of the switches for the foyer, but maybe you were planning on replacing them anyway.   It would definitely be less trouble than adding new wires to an existing structure.

-bob

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Re: 4-Way wiring with GE 12724 & GE 12723
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2016, 06:49:58 pm »
Hi Steve,   I have made notes below the original diagrams for clarification.

-bob