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11 Aug 2010 - UI4 status
« on: August 11, 2010, 11:49:38 pm »
A lot of people want to know about the status with UI4.  As a quick recap, since late 2008 Vera was shipping with a basic browser-based user interface called UI2 (user interface #2), which is what's featured in the wiki.  UI2 is considered stable and functional, but not as pretty or intuitive as we'd like.  In January, 2010 we came out with UI3.  It was all based on Adobe Flash and you draw floor plans and positioned the devices around.  Unfortunately it proved to be a big CPU hog because of the very complex Adobe Flash design.  So, in March we went back to shipping Vera with UI2 because it had more universal appeal, while we began working on a simpler user interface, code named UI4.  The new documentation for UI4 is available (with screen shots) at: http://docs2.mios.com/doc.php?language=1&manual=1&platform=0&page=dashboard

While software is always a 'work in progress', by early July we reached a point where UI4 was better all around than UI2.  When Kwikset began shipping their Z-Wave locks in July, we began shipping new Vera's with UI4 because you needed the new UI4-based firmware to take advantage of the new Kwikset features.  We also started a beta program where dozens of 'power users' who have used Vera for a long time could get UI4 and test the newest firmware versions before they go public.  This has been GREAT.  No matter how much we test there are always issues that are uncovered in the real world that don't show up in the lab.

At the moment then all new Vera users are on UI4, as are the beta testers.  We have not yet publicly released UI4 for the existing Vera users, who are still mostly on UI2 and a few on UI3.  A lot of people want to know when UI4 will be released to all the existing Vera users and what's the hold up.  The reality is that although for new users UI4 is better than UI2 and the docs are better, it's a lot harder to smoothly migrate from UI2 to UI4 than just to start with UI4 in the first place.  The back end data structure is totally different, so migrating from UI2 to UI4 requires a conversion process, kind of like opening a very old document in a new version of your word processor.  Even the UI2 to UI4 migration goes smoothly 95% of the time, because there are many thousands of existing UI2 users, that 5% who did have migration problems would generate more support requests than we could handle and we wouldn't be able to keep up with the support tickets.  That's why we're being EXTRA cautious about not moving everybody over to UI4 all at once until we're sure that the migration will work without a hitch for 99% of all users.

We're very close.  Hopefully within 2 weeks we'll release a UI4 upgrade path for all the existing UI2 customers.  We recently decided against making it an automatic update (meaning you get nagged to allow the update every time you load the UI) because we figure some people who are perfectly content with UI2 and already know it won't want to learn a totally new user experience.  So there will be an announcement here soon with instructions on how to upgrade.

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Re: 11 Aug 2010 - UI4 status
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2010, 08:19:23 am »
THANK YOU for this long-awaited update!
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Re: 11 Aug 2010 - UI4 status
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2010, 10:54:31 am »
Thanks for the update ... it seems to leave out any mention of UI3 migration??????

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Re: 11 Aug 2010 - UI4 status
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2010, 11:40:45 am »
I think that starting the "Company Blog" section is an EXCELLENT way for Micasaverde to communicate directly to the user community.

This should go a long way to reassure the users that MCV is actively working to stay engaged, and supports the users.  Well done!
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Re: 11 Aug 2010 - UI4 status
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2010, 01:02:29 pm »
Thanks for the update ... it seems to leave out any mention of UI3 migration??????

Just getting ready to ask the same question. Can't wait to be off UI3 (but not a beta tester), hopefully we won't be forgotten.

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Re: 11 Aug 2010 - UI4 status
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2010, 03:28:32 pm »
Thanks for the update ... it seems to leave out any mention of UI3 migration??????

For my experience and what I have read, migrating from UI3 is a similar situation to what MCV described was for migrating from UI2.  It works for most, but MCV want to make sure to works smoothly for most all.  Like my Mac and PC needing to be wiped occasionally, I have prepared myself to make wiping Vera and re-including pretty easy, but I know others have more devices and more complicated scenes and MCv is working hard to make migration seamless.
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Re: 11 Aug 2010 - UI4 status
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2010, 04:28:24 pm »
While all situations are different, when I went from  UI3 to UI4, it was pretty seemless.  The only annoying thing I remember about the transition was the need to re pair all of my locks.  They were still 'there', but didn't work.  All other devices kept right on working after the migration.

UI4 is coming along rather nicely.  Once these last little bugs are worked out, I think it will be ready for mass usage.  Kudos to MCV for having the patience to fully bake UI4 before releasing it.
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Re: 11 Aug 2010 - UI4 status
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2010, 06:14:03 pm »
Thanks for the info...good to hear from you...
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Re: 11 Aug 2010 - UI4 status
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2010, 06:23:51 pm »
Thanks for the input .. everything is working fine under UI3 thus I will be patient and wait for the 'official' release.

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Re: 11 Aug 2010 - UI4 status
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2010, 08:38:23 pm »


Thanks for this new area and some formal info and updates... I do appreciate it!
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Re: 11 Aug 2010 - UI4 status
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2010, 07:26:31 am »
For my experience and what I have read, migrating from UI3 is a similar situation to what MCV described was for migrating from UI2.  It works for most, but MCV want to make sure to works smoothly for most all.  Like my Mac and PC needing to be wiped occasionally, I have prepared myself to make wiping Vera and re-including pretty easy, but I know others have more devices and more complicated scenes and MCv is working hard to make migration seamless.

Wait....does this mean I COULD get to completely re-do my entire house without disassociating everything from Vera? I would LOVE that, I have switches that have been moved a bunch of GE switches that failed that I have replaced but still show.

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Re: no more ipad????
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2010, 12:43:08 pm »
Is U4 flash based?
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Re: 11 Aug 2010 - UI4 status
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2010, 12:55:02 pm »
UI 4 is all HTML and JavaScript. It works great with the iPad with one exception. I can not control the slider for dimmable devices. Other then that it's great.

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Re: 11 Aug 2010 - UI4 status
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2010, 03:17:19 pm »
Will new units in sold in Europe have UI4 installed?

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Re: 11 Aug 2010 - UI4 status
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2010, 05:03:21 pm »
Will new units in sold in Europe have UI4 installed?
All new units, sold in EU and US have UI4 firmware and the old ones can be upgraded to ui4 also