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Offline integlikewhoa

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Re: Need POE, PTZ , Outdoor Dome Camera recommendations to cover pool area
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2017, 12:26:42 pm »
Beyond that, there are not a lot of practical uses

Either he want's to check for dirt and leafs in the pool or G-strings around the pool, I'm not sure yet. But 400 plus on a camera over the pool is going to complete one or both of those tasks.  ;D

I'll post some pic's of what two current snapshots (it's raining there today) from 3MP Hikvision (DS-2CD2032-I) 4mm wide lens cameras look like. This is also a vacation home located in AZ (snowbird country) It doesn't get rented out and there is 11 total cameras there most are 3MP cameras (4mm lens) with 1-2 new ones now 4MP versions of the same. I only installed bullets due to versatility of install and picture quality. I did install one dome 3MP on front porch with 2.5mm lens. So I do have a bit of variety on styles and lens angles.

Snapshot Files from Blueiris were to big and I didn't want to lower quality to post in the forum. So here is drop box full jpeg size.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/y2tdmcbyx12dj4l/Patio.20170803_091249.jpg?dl=0
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/omfpvs0z6sliucn/Pool.20170803_091301.jpg?dl=0

EDIT: Make sure to zoom in on the image to see the full quality. I think when I open the Dropbox link it's only 30% by default. Also cameras can be scene in each other if you look hard enough on the corner of the buildings. The cameras are probley around 50ft apart or so I would take as a ruff guess off the top of my head. For me it's more then enough detail when zoomed in and these are the widest lens in a bullet and only 3MP vs. the newer 4 or higher MP. 
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Re: Need POE, PTZ , Outdoor Dome Camera recommendations to cover pool area
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2017, 01:36:46 pm »
In the catalog link I posted previously you can see the view angle for the different lenses. I often use cameras that are 90? or so, but sometimes I'm using one that is wider or narrower.  I go into bluebeam and mark out angles on a floorplan and map out my exact coverage abilities with the different lenses.  I use a few other tools that can tell me the overall intelligibility of an image at a given distance, in certain lighting, specific resolutions, etc.  However, you aren't trying to capture tag numbers of cars in the dark with their tag lights out while driving 70MPH...I don't think you'll have as precise needs as I am required to present.

Buy some 4MP cameras with about 90? of view, slam them in and love it.  You will get plenty of resolution to be able to know what happened and for BlueIris to be able to warn you if someone comes on property.  One you do all that, tie some lights and an Echo Dot to it, pump out a broadcast on a speaker that the person is intruding and the authorities have been notified.... rest easy.

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Re: Need POE, PTZ , Outdoor Dome Camera recommendations to cover pool area
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2017, 05:22:56 pm »
Hey, sorry to hijack here, but any recommendations on a Hikvision front door cam that has to be like 10 feet away in direct profile to the front door (unfortunately my entry way is all stucco and not any good places to mount and power a camera, so am mounting on the garage and pointing in profile to the front door).

Nelly's recommended the NSC-254S-DM mini dome but that seems like their default answer for any front door application but wasn't sure if it was the best for this particular application unless the mic would actually work from that far away and I decide to mount a speaker. But it does have a nice wide angle of view (106 degrees) which is good considering it is in profile it will catch folks walking up as well as at the front door.  We have a porch light that is on the entire time after dark.

I use the NSC-204-BT bullet for drive way and side of property but it has a narrower field at 82.

I am in the northwest so spiders are also a major issue, which has leaned me away from a turret which seem to attract spiders based on how the light is mounted, so maybe the dome is the best option.

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Re: Need POE, PTZ , Outdoor Dome Camera recommendations to cover pool area
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2017, 05:49:36 pm »
Hey, sorry to hijack here, but any recommendations on a Hikvision front door cam that has to be like 10 feet away in direct profile to the front door (unfortunately my entry way is all stucco and not any good places to mount and power a camera, so am mounting on the garage and pointing in profile to the front door).

Nelly's recommended the NSC-254S-DM mini dome but that seems like their default answer for any front door application but wasn't sure if it was the best for this particular application unless the mic would actually work from that far away and I decide to mount a speaker. But it does have a nice wide angle of view (106 degrees) which is good considering it is in profile it will catch folks walking up as well as at the front door.  We have a porch light that is on the entire time after dark.

I use the NSC-204-BT bullet for drive way and side of property but it has a narrower field at 82.

I am in the northwest so spiders are also a major issue, which has leaned me away from a turret which seem to attract spiders based on how the light is mounted, so maybe the dome is the best option.

Turrets are supposed to be fairly good with spiders since the IR is to the side of the  camera not in or around the camera like the others. The bullet are the worse due to the way the IR is around the camera and the way its mounted. Domes are very good with spiders due to the camera it's self not really having any place to for webs to hang out. But IR's inside the glass and blocking the IR's seem to have reflections or ghosting and less distance/coverage the IR's reach.

Your problem going to need a narrow view or higher zoom lens if you mounting it farther away from the door. Yes Mic is going to be an issue. My front porch is stucco (the whole house) and I mounted my camera on it. My camera is also more then 10ft from the front door as the porch is more then 10ft long. I would assume yours is much more then 10ft.

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Re: Need POE, PTZ , Outdoor Dome Camera recommendations to cover pool area
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2017, 06:53:42 pm »
The I wanted PTZ for a couple reasons.   
1) My #1 concerns is that the pool guys will not secure the screen door latch and kids might wander in and get hurt or cause trouble when were gone for months.   There is a  single POE drop is and middle of the overhang of a 50 foot wide screened in lanai.  There are doors on each side of the pool about 3 ft off the back of the house.   I don't see how a single camera from the middle of the house overhang that isn't motorized will be able to see both doors
2) My wife doesn't want multiple cameras and the house isn't wired for two

The image quality that you showed is far better than the current Foscam stuff I have been using inside.  Maybe I don't need zoom with that resolution  but still needing PT

I tried to get another POE drop at the back of the screen cage but builder wouldn't do it.  Builders in Southern FL reject anything that is  special.  It took an act of god to get a drop to the center of the overhang.  I probably should have put one in each outer overhang corner instead of the one in the center. 
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Re: Need POE, PTZ , Outdoor Dome Camera recommendations to cover pool area
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2017, 07:23:41 pm »
The I wanted PTZ for a couple reasons.   
1) My #1 concerns is that the pool guys will not secure the screen door latch and kids might wander in and get hurt or cause trouble when were gone for months.   There is a  single POE drop is and middle of the overhang of a 50 foot wide screened in lanai.  There are doors on each side of the pool about 3 ft off the back of the house.   I don't see how a single camera from the middle of the house overhang that isn't motorized will be able to see both doors
2) My wife doesn't want multiple cameras and the house isn't wired for two

The image quality that you showed is far better than the current Foscam stuff I have been using inside.  Maybe I don't need zoom with that resolution  but still needing PT

I tried to get another POE drop at the back of the screen cage but builder wouldn't do it.  Builders in Southern FL reject anything that is  special.  It took an act of go to get a drop to the center of the overhang.  I probably sould have put one in each outer overhang corner instead of the one in the center.

I started with foscams and had issues. Hikvision is a good step up you'll be happy with. There is ofcourse better then even the lower end Hik's that I use. I'm using only 4MP on any new installs now but have alot of 3MP like the ones I posted at more then one house. 4MP or not a crazy difference but buy them for almost the same price which is around 100ish each.
If you not using the camera for security you should be ok with a PTZ but your going to pay. Also make sure what ever you end up with has a good ad easy way to return it to a set position. Nothing like masking out areas in Blueiris then moving a camera and none of those masks quiet line up again. Zoom would also be an issue with masks. Something that accepts easy Http commands (or atleast Blueiris can do in the middle) to return to default PTZ and is fairly accurate would be a plus.
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