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Outdoor PIR/Lux sensor
« on: August 07, 2017, 12:10:17 pm »
I recently found this sensor on AliExpress. Although not explicitly mentioned, this appears to be an indoor/outdoor sensor as one of the pictures show it being used outdoor. It's the shape of a small ball and screws closed. The electronics are enclosed inside the ball and only the CR123 battery shows so I'm confident this is indeed weatherproof to some degree. I mounted it in the corner above my front door under the eves so it's sheltered from direct sunlight and rain.

It looks to be Z-Wave plus and (once I figured out the tempo for the 3 click button push) it had no issues pairing with my VeraPlus. It's available in US and EU frequencies. (AU & RU frequencies contact seller)

Attached is a screenshot of the 3 devices it created. It's not showing a battery level so I may have to dig into the device attributes.

Note, I have no connection with this seller other than as a customer.

 Link to my source

 Link to EU version (This has pictures of the inside)



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Re: Outdoor PIR/Lux sensor
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2017, 10:09:43 pm »
Update: 09/12/2017. The sensor survived Hurricane Irma's winds and heavy rain and is still working fine. Luckily no major damage to the house either apart from the lanai developing a few leaks...
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Re: Outdoor PIR/Lux sensor
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2017, 03:01:20 pm »
I bought one this week and installed it. Created the same three devices you mentioned.

The sensitivity needs to be decreased. Althought the manual KIND OF tells me how to do it, I'm not exactly sure of the commands to send to it.

(BTW: We survived Hurricane Harvey with minor damage to our property. Glad to see you survived the "I" hurricane.)

Here is a link to the manual: http://www.cd-jackson.com/zwave_device_uploads/401/Manual-for-Motion-sensor-PIR-Zwave-Neo.pdf

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Re: Outdoor PIR/Lux sensor
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2017, 06:06:55 pm »
If this is what you looking for:

1. Sensitivity Level Setting
This parameter defines the sensitivity of PIR detector, it is recommended to test the
detector with movements  from a farthest end of the coverage area at first time of use.
If movements cannot be detected sensitively, simply adjust the  sensitivity level with
this parameter. This parameter can be configured with the value of 1 through 4, where
1 means high sensitivity and 4 means lowest sensitivity.

Function:
Sensitivity Level Setting.
Parameter Number: 1.
Parameter Size: 1 Byte.
Available Settings: 1 - 4.

You can set these under the Advanced tab of the motion device. Go to the 'New Service' tab.
For New Service enter 1 (parameter number)
For New Variable enter 1 (parameters size)
For New Value add a number between 1 and 4 (Available settings)
Click the Add button and possibly the Reload Engine one.
When completed, under the variable tab, you should see a new entry '1' with the value you set. This should do what you need. Same goes for all other parameters.

I'm 90% sure I put the right values in the right fields. Last time I did this was under UI5 and the field names were different there. John M or another getvera resource should be able to confirm/correct  my above statements.

And yeah Mr H's antics scared a lot of people over here about Ms I. Gas, food, water et al shortages galore.
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Re: Outdoor PIR/Lux sensor
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2017, 07:02:36 pm »
This device is available in Australia here:


https://www.blackcatcontrolsystems.com.au/Security-%20Sensors-CCTV-Detectors/Z-Wave-Plus-PIR's/BlackCat-Z-Wave-Plus-PIR


Although it is not rated for outside use, it is very secure in the seal, it is golfball size or a bit smaller. It's round shape deters moisture from sitting on the surfaces.


The battery level function, we have had differing results with this. It appears that if during setup the CC is not found then for some reason the battery level will not show on the UI. The solution appears to be to keep the device awake by pressing the service button every 5secs during Inclusion.
Sometimes the nightly heal is enough to enable the Battery Level.
This could also be a Vera thing as we have different result with HomeSeer (no problem with Battery Level).


Overall, it's a good PIR. Basic in operation but dependable with PIR and LUX functions.
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Re: Outdoor PIR/Lux sensor
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2017, 07:39:26 pm »
I just double checked and mine now indeed shows the battery level. The product description on AliExpress seemed to indicate it was for both indoor and outdoor use. But as you said, it seems well sealed. As proven by it's survival of Irma. I do like the unit a lot and am considering it to replace my 7 indoor Vision PIR sensors as it is so much smaller and obtrusive. Due to it's design it's also far more easily 'aim-able' than the Vision's.
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Re: Outdoor PIR/Lux sensor
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2017, 08:41:53 pm »
Glad to hear that it was 'discovered' by Vera. Perhaps I can now describe it as Hurricane Proof (tested & tried by Irma)


Here is a SS in HomeSeer (a different 21S).


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Re: Outdoor PIR/Lux sensor
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2017, 10:09:37 am »
It's mounted under an eve against the wall but still, the wall and eve (and the sensor) was wet Monday AM. Indicating horizontal rain hit that location. I took it down, wiped it dry and opened it up to find it dry as a bone inside. So yeah, I'd say it's 'Hurricane resistant'.  8)

The lux sensor is quite useful as it will tell me if my (non-zwave) motion sensitive triggers at night. Indicating movement on my drive...
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Re: Outdoor PIR/Lux sensor
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2017, 11:55:01 am »
If this is what you looking for:

1. Sensitivity Level Setting
This parameter defines the sensitivity of PIR detector, it is recommended to test the
detector with movements  from a farthest end of the coverage area at first time of use.
If movements cannot be detected sensitively, simply adjust the  sensitivity level with
this parameter. This parameter can be configured with the value of 1 through 4, where
1 means high sensitivity and 4 means lowest sensitivity.

Function:
Sensitivity Level Setting.
Parameter Number: 1.
Parameter Size: 1 Byte.
Available Settings: 1 - 4.


This is what the paper version of the manual that came with it said:
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1. PIR Sensitivity Level Setting
This parameter defines the sensitivity of PIR detector, it is recommended to test the detector with movements from a farthest end of the coverage area at first time of use. If movements cannot be detected sensitively, simply adjust the sensitivity level with this parameter. This parameter can be configured with the value of 8 through 255, where 8 means high sensitivity and 255 means lowest sensitivity.
Function:​ ​PIR Sensitivity Level Setting.
Parameter​ ​Number:​ ​1
Parameter​ ​Size:​ ​1 Byte.
Available​ ​Settings:​ 8 ~ 255.
Default​ ​Setting:​ ​12

So I followed your directions and but set it to 60. Let's see if that works because it is picking up things FAR away and I only want it to watch a small area.

Thank you!