Author Topic: When will we be able to UNLOCK locks?  (Read 500 times)

Offline curtm

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When will we be able to UNLOCK locks?
« on: August 28, 2017, 07:49:00 pm »
I can lock doors but not unlock them. Says we can't do that for now. When will that be available?

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Re: When will we be able to UNLOCK locks?
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2017, 09:19:16 pm »
That would be an Amazon rather than a Getvera question. Seems Amazon is at this time not allowing locks to be unlocked. I can see that as some one could yell from outside the door 'Alexa! unlock front door' and gain entrance that way. As Alexa isn't locked to one voice but obeys commands from any voice.
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Re: When will we be able to UNLOCK locks?
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2017, 09:43:09 pm »
@BOHF
Thanks for your comment ... you gave me an idea for securing the Locks for Vera Concierge (I currently do allow unlocking doors)  .... Google does know whose voice is speaking.


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Re: When will we be able to UNLOCK locks?
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2017, 09:45:41 pm »
There are apocryphal stories of people yelling "Siri unlock the door" through a window and homekit doing it. Amazon gets enough grief for news stories buying products.

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Re: When will we be able to UNLOCK locks?
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2017, 11:58:08 pm »
There is a way around this, if you don't mind the security concern. Setup a scene to unlock the door, but use luup to carry out the task. The scene will be visible to Alexa, but she won't know what it's for. I use this trick to disarm sensors that Alexa considers security / locks. Works great and allows me to disable a single security item without turning them all off, switching to home mode.

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Re: When will we be able to UNLOCK locks?
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2017, 08:15:55 am »
It will be available at some point but it does require a separate Skill with some additional "pin" configuration.


Work on this would start after all region current Alexa Skills (UK,DE,US) will be final and released.
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Re: When will we be able to UNLOCK locks?
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2017, 11:05:22 pm »
I set a scene called front door lock that opens the front door.  I then say Alexa turn off the front door lock.  It opens the doors.   I use Ha bridge to assign this to Alexa.  It by passes any of the Amazon Vera prohibitions.

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Re: When will we be able to UNLOCK locks?
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2017, 02:45:35 am »
The issue is sensitive because allowing alexa to work while the controller is in Away mode is dangerous. What is someone comes to a window and yell 'Alexa unlock ....'. And having a verbal pin code is not very safe since it can be overheard. There are ways to make it more secure, but it has other drawbacks.

If you want to have a conversation about securing unlocking the door I'm all ears.

Thank you for your feedback!

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Re: When will we be able to UNLOCK locks?
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2017, 09:57:30 am »
Vlad, I agree with your observations. Even though it's easy to use LUUP code in a scene to achieve this, I for one am not doing it for that reason. Not until Alexa can be programmed to respond to certain voices only.

For the US crowd, this weeks episode of South Park (not watching that but read all the articles) proved beyond a doubt how easily both Amazon Echo and Google Home can be abused. They managed to trigger both devices a lot during that show. Setting up 7AM alarms etc. just by the TV's audio. Some people had to unplug the Echo or Home because of it.

It's also apparently possible to use frequencies outside the human hearing range to command Home and/or Alexa...

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Re: When will we be able to UNLOCK locks?
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2017, 11:18:38 am »
It's also apparently possible to use frequencies outside the human hearing range to command Home and/or Alexa...

As a developer, implementing unlocking people's houses with a human-unhearable voice scares me...

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Re: When will we be able to UNLOCK locks?
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2017, 04:09:14 pm »
Vlad, as an end-user it equally scares me. Here's a few links on the subject, it's called 'Dolphinattack'

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/07/dolphins_help_pwn_electronics/

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/25/amazon_alexa_answers_inaudible_commands/




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Re: When will we be able to UNLOCK locks?
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2017, 07:27:10 am »
Vlad, as an end-user it equally scares me. Here's a few links on the subject, it's called 'Dolphinattack'

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/07/dolphins_help_pwn_electronics/

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/25/amazon_alexa_answers_inaudible_commands/

Thank you for the links, I saw the video on youtube and I've heard from various sorces there' an APK you can buy that will automate this.

As a personal opinion, I don't want to add unlock doors to Alexa and I would add a feature to block Alexa commands if your Vera is NOT in home or night mode (or make it user-selectable). When you're away there's (almost) no reason to allow Alexa to work.  I say amost because I use the reverb app to command alexa with my phone, to turn on AC / thermostats when I'm coming home from work... so there are some use cases...

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Re: When will we be able to UNLOCK locks?
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2017, 10:23:34 am »
Vlad, I like that idea. Would it be possible to put house mode conditionals in the Alexa plugin on the Vera side? Like check boxes for each device for home,away,night and vacation? To only let Vera execute if there is a check in the currently set house mode? I honestly do not care about an error return to Alexa, but if it could show up in the 'Alerts' that would be nice so we can see if it was tried.
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