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Offline blueman2

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Re: NEW MultiWave Pool Controller
« Reply #480 on: June 21, 2018, 05:48:43 pm »
Mine shows V39 on both the controller and the remote. 

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Re: NEW MultiWave Pool Controller
« Reply #481 on: June 22, 2018, 07:55:20 am »
thanks!

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Re: NEW MultiWave Pool Controller
« Reply #482 on: June 23, 2018, 03:07:34 am »
Intermatic has a GREAT product, if only they would allow it to be great!

If they don't 'allow' it to be great, then it isn't great. Providing a z-wave product without understanding what z-wave is for and how it is used is really pointless. For some reason, they chose to use z-wave as the protocol for communication between their hand-held remote and the main unit, but they never really intended that it play well with the rest of the z-wave universe, which was a massive mistake. Also, the form factor completely sucks. Who wants an exterior device mounted by a plastic bushing on top of an exterior electrical box, with no protection and physical stability for pressing the buttons on it, and no security for it from unwanted handling? It just totally misses the boat in so many ways. But I digress...

They have a firmware version 39 that allows full access to all functions of the PE653 by any z-wave controller.

When you say this, does it mean that one would have full control over the PE653's programming and control of a Pentair variable speed pump? Even when I had the PE653 fully paired with and accessible through my vera, I couldn't see any of the pump functions. It really was just a bad thermostat interface. 'Full access to all functions' would mean full control of the programmable pump, not just on and off. Please explain what you mean by 'full access to all functions'.

In my experience, the only way to control the pump was through the hand-held remote, and not through Vera. Are you saying that this firmware version 39 allows this?

But they have not released this version broadly, and will only install it themselves to avoid the firmware leaking publicly.

Why do they not want the firmware out in the public? This makes no sense. I've never heard of a company that didn't want the most up-to-date version of their software running on all of their devices. If this version of the software makes the unit live up to its potential, why not 'release it broadly' or have a program to get units already out in the field operating to their full potential?

It is this kind of craziness that results in people like myself being unable to recommend (or even use this damn device) and I have two of them!

Thank you for your contributions to this thread. The information so far has been greatly appreciated, even though very frustrating to hear.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2018, 03:18:16 am by GWNorth »

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Re: NEW MultiWave Pool Controller
« Reply #483 on: June 23, 2018, 12:28:30 pm »
When you say this, does it mean that one would have full control over the PE653's programming and control of a Pentair variable speed pump? Even when I had the PE653 fully paired with and accessible through my vera, I couldn't see any of the pump functions. It really was just a bad thermostat interface. 'Full access to all functions' would mean full control of the programmable pump, not just on and off. Please explain what you mean by 'full access to all functions'.

In my experience, the only way to control the pump was through the hand-held remote, and not through Vera. Are you saying that this firmware version 39 allows this?


In Firmware v39, I have control over everything that can be done with the hand held device.   I can control:
 - turning on each of the 5 relays,
 - turning on each of the 4 speeds of the VSP,
 - what the VSP speeds should be (via z-wave parameters)
 - the schedule (on and off times) for the 5 relays and the 4 VSP speeds,
 - configuration parameters such as freeze control, temperature correction, use of 1 speed pump, 2 speed pump, pool cleaner, etc 
 - see current temperature for air, water, solar
 - set temp settings for Pool and Spa

Most are done via regular z-wave device but some settings are done via z-wave parameter settings.  I use an Insteon ISY to control it and have found there is nothing I cannot do via z-wave. 

There is really only one issue right now I have.  The Relays and Pump Speeds are not correctly updated on my ISY.  If I change a speed using the ISY, I see the change on my ISY.  But if I change speed using the remote control, it does not update on my ISY.  THe data is being sent by the PE653, but for some reason my ISY is not using the data.  The ISY team is working on a fix for this but not sure.  So what I do it poll the device every 5 minutes during the day to keep my ISY controller in synch.  So far, this has worked perfectly for me. 



Why do they not want the firmware out in the public? This makes no sense. I've never heard of a company that didn't want the most up-to-date version of their software running on all of their devices. If this version of the software makes the unit live up to its potential, why not 'release it broadly' or have a program to get units already out in the field operating to their full potential?

It is this kind of craziness that results in people like myself being unable to recommend (or even use this damn device) and I have two of them!

Thank you for your contributions to this thread. The information so far has been greatly appreciated, even though very frustrating to hear.

I really cannot speak for Intermatic, but I think they wanted to sell this firmware to people who manage properties (rental, hotels, etc) and did not want it to be a free upgrade.  So they made it so that you cannot do the upgrade yourself.  Must be done via JTAG interface inside the device. 

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Re: NEW MultiWave Pool Controller
« Reply #484 on: Today at 08:17:35 am »
blueman,

do the stop/start and mode buttons on the pump work when the multiwave is controlling the pump? earlier versions locked out the pump's control panel which meant if the pool guy wanted to stop the pump he needed the remote. obviously not ideal so I gave up on that idea.

also, I have the variable flow pump and when the multiwave was controlling it you lost the flow rate control and were only able to set the speed. I was ok with this but iirc you also lost the built in safety features in the pump (blocked suction, run dry, etc.).

thanks again!