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New Alexa Routine function issue - Not supported yet per Vera
« on: October 30, 2017, 11:34:24 am »
Is anyone else having an issue with the new Alexa routine function not seeing any vera scenes.  However under managed devices I can see the  scenes.  It just won't display when trying to create a routine.

Update 10/31/17
From Vera Support:

Thank you for contacting Vera Support.

Indeed, Amazon Alexa supports the routines functionality, but in order to be available on Vera, that needs to be implemented in our official skill.

That option is not supported yet. There is no exact ETA
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Re: New Alexa Routine function issue
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2017, 03:22:58 pm »
I don't see routines on the alexa.amazon.com web site but I do see them on the app on my phone.
Unfortunately under smart home it only shows me my devices and none of my scenes. The scenes shows up under alexa.amazon.com and are callable so I concur this is most likely on the Amazon side.
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Re: New Alexa Routine function issue
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2017, 07:18:31 pm »
Turns out the only scenes that show up in the new Alexa Routines menus are for my Harmony Hub.  The Vera scenes do not show up when trying to create an Alexa Routine.  I even disabled the Harmony skill within amazon to see if for some reason the new routine function only would work with one smarthome hub.  I've disabled/enabled the Vera skill and same issue.  Bottom line is the Vera Scenes are not seen from within the new Alexa Routine menus.

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Re: New Alexa Routine function issue
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2017, 11:08:15 pm »
I can confirm that. Hopefully this can be fixed as rather than using Alexa's weather forecast I want to use the one provided via Vera's WU plugin to my Sonos speakers. As that gets it's info from the weather station in my backyard making for a really local weather briefing.
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Re: New Alexa Routine function issue
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2017, 09:05:54 am »
Received this from Vera support this morning.  There is no exact ETA

Thank you for contacting Vera Support.

Indeed, Amazon Alexa supports the routines functionality, but in order to be available on Vera, that needs to be implemented in our official skill.

That option is not supported yet.
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Re: New Alexa Routine function issue - Not supported yet per Vera
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2017, 09:29:42 am »
all the devices under smart home say "device not supported" hope they can get an update out soon. I'd like to make use of this functionality.

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Re: New Alexa Routine function issue - Not supported yet per Vera
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2017, 12:49:07 pm »
I was able to get the routines to work using Martin's updated GitHub integration code.  I once again disabled the official Vera Skill and went back to Martin's Version 3 which implemented Routines.   I really don't know why I keep going back to the official Vera skill as it is always way behind Martin's implementation.   Martin thanks once again !!!!!!

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Re: New Alexa Routine function issue - Not supported yet per Vera
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2017, 09:57:19 pm »
Have any of you guys...or girls...lol...tried to control any Vera devices from within the Alexa application? None of them work in mine. Also,because of this I am not able to setup any "Routines" that involve Vera devices from within the Alexa application. :-\

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Re: New Alexa Routine function issue - Not supported yet per Vera
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2017, 10:03:52 pm »
I have no problem using Alexa to control devices. One thing that took me a while to figure out was how to tell Vera what devices Alexa can control. To accomplish that: on the computer (can?t do it in the iOS app) before you connect to the controller click on the upper right menu and then it says something about manage Alexa. From there select the devices you want Alexa to be able to control and then have Alexa do a search for devices.
As for routines, as mentioned in the thread above the Vera skill is not happy with them yet.


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Re: New Alexa Routine function issue - Not supported yet per Vera
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2017, 11:55:29 am »
I think it will be a great function for the Alexa/Vera Skill to have this incorporated in future. It will get us away from having to use the words on/off for a scene. Ie: Alexa lets watch a movie, to turn down the lights and turn on AV equiptment. Instead of alexa turn movie on. (to run a scene). I'm sure im not the only one who has thought of this, but there is a bit of a choppy work around for this. Alexa routines work with other light devices (Ie Philips Hue) and im sure some of the non vera power blocks (Ie Bluetooth). so you can create a virtual switch or use PLC so that when one of these devices turns on it runs a scene or turns on the devices you wanted. So when I say Alexa lets watch a movie, she turns on the philips hue back lighting i have behind my tv. (which is supported) which then turns on my AV Reciever, Tv sound bar and turns off my ceiling lights. (not supported). There is ofcourse a little delay but seems to work just fine. Food for thought, im sure there is probably a better work around for this!

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Re: New Alexa Routine function issue - Not supported yet per Vera
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2017, 12:59:11 pm »
I have no problem using Alexa to control devices. One thing that took me a while to figure out was how to tell Vera what devices Alexa can control. To accomplish that: on the computer (can?t do it in the iOS app) before you connect to the controller click on the upper right menu and then it says something about manage Alexa. From there select the devices you want Alexa to be able to control and then have Alexa do a search for devices.
As for routines, as mentioned in the thread above the Vera skill is not happy with them yet.


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Was referring to the new Alexa  API for Android. Control of the Vera devices works fine with voice to Alexa interaction. However, even with voice to Alexa interaction you still can't query the state of lights. Locks and thermostats work for this, just not lights.

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Re: New Alexa Routine function issue - Not supported yet per Vera
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2017, 01:04:16 pm »
I think it will be a great function for the Alexa/Vera Skill to have this incorporated in future. It will get us away from having to use the words on/off for a scene. Ie: Alexa lets watch a movie, to turn down the lights and turn on AV equiptment. Instead of alexa turn movie on. (to run a scene). I'm sure im not the only one who has thought of this, but there is a bit of a choppy work around for this. Alexa routines work with other light devices (Ie Philips Hue) and im sure some of the non vera power blocks (Ie Bluetooth). so you can create a virtual switch or use PLC so that when one of these devices turns on it runs a scene or turns on the devices you wanted. So when I say Alexa lets watch a movie, she turns on the philips hue back lighting i have behind my tv. (which is supported) which then turns on my AV Reciever, Tv sound bar and turns off my ceiling lights. (not supported). There is ofcourse a little delay but seems to work just fine. Food for thought, im sure there is probably a better work around for this!

Thought of the virtual device route for routine functions, but I don't want to litter Vera with virtual devices everywhere i want routines. Instead, I spoke with support @ vera and they aware of the issue and are working on the new Alexa API integrations and should expect a new skill release in 2018. So they say, lol.

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Re: New Alexa Routine function issue - Not supported yet per Vera
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2017, 12:24:09 pm »
Would love an update from Vera on this. Being able to use routines to trigger scenes makes a huge difference in terms of user experience. Compare the simple example of "Alexa, play obamas slow jams" is way better than "Alexa, turn on obamas slow jams".

I've noticed that even for the normal devices (i.e. GE Z-Wave plugs, Virtual Switches) are not supported either so can't even fake it :(

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Re: New Alexa Routine function issue - Not supported yet per Vera
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2017, 12:59:03 pm »
I think I mentioned in another similar topic, not sure how I missed this one,  :D

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Re: New Alexa Routine function issue - Not supported yet per Vera
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2017, 01:31:28 pm »
I think I mentioned in another similar topic, not sure how I missed this one,  :D

V3 Api Alexa Skill is work in progress as we speak. We have enough on our plates for these holidays but we should be back on track early 2018

Yeah, I read that in another topic after the fact. I can't wait to for this feature to be available. I imagine the skill is a little buggy considering Alexa running a different Smart Home API level than the Alexa/Vera skill is designed to run on.