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Offline dchoe

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Re: Could somebody recommend On/Off wall switch for fluorescent lighting?
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2011, 12:55:05 pm »
amazon has the 45609 for <$50 and seems to be the cheapest it's been in the past few weeks(price history)

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Re: Could somebody recommend On/Off wall switch for fluorescent lighting?
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2011, 01:25:15 pm »
I just bought (7) of the Intermatic CA3000 switches from automatedoutlet.com for $35 each, they are arriving Friday.  I have 4 sets of switched outlets with CFL lamps on them in different rooms, and also since they are switched outlets, someone could plug in a large load into them (like a vacum or electric heater), and the current GE dimmers would blow up, the Radio Shack GE lamp switches do work, but of course don't dim the CFLs, so for saftey I am replacing them with the CA3000's.  I also have some bathroom fan vent/lamps units that I will be switching with these, due to the inductive nature of the fan motor.

These switches also work with standard 3 or 4 way switches, as well, they are very nice.  lets see how they work...

where I bought them from: http://www.automatedoutlet.com/Home/INT-CA3000

manual: http://www.smarthomeusa.com/Products/CA3000/manuals/CA3000.pdf
check the wiring diagram on page 2

Note: I have read these switches make a lound "kerchunk" when switching on and off, that won't bother me, it might bother you.  The "WAF" is low, if you have to deal with that :)
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Re: Could somebody recommend On/Off wall switch for fluorescent lighting?
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2011, 01:31:11 pm »
Virginian,

A couple of things you need to keep in mind when dealing with Switches and Dimmers.

Total load, type of fixture you intend to use the switch/dimmer with, and not all CFLs are dimmable.

Generally speaking there are three kinds of switch/dimmers
1.   Incandescent
2.   Magnetic
3.   Electronic (Most expensive)

The first is obvious but you have to pay attention to the load factor
The second can be used with dimmable CFLs and low voltage halogens but that depends on the switch/dimmer.
The third is used with LEDs.

Another thing you need to be aware of is the dimming factor which depends on the dimmer and the device itself. You’ll find this information on the technical specification sheets If you look for the technical spec on the Luthron, Cooper lighting and Leviton brand products.  I don’t know much about ACT, GE and other off brand stuff.  This figure will vary from one brand to another and gets a bit convoluted with LEDs.  The dimming spec will tell you how low you can dim the light and sometime even the increment in the form of percentage in most cases.  Hope this helps.



I was misled by the switch description on the SmartHomeUsa site:

  http://www.smarthomeusa.com/ShopByManufacturer/ge-jasco/Item/45609/manual/

"..The GE Z-Wave Wireless Lighting Control On/Off Switch enables wireless control of on/off functions of hard-wired incandescent, LED, xenon, halogen and fluorescent lighting."

Actually it doesn't, two hours of wasted time.

Thanks in advance.

Virginian



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Re: Could somebody recommend On/Off wall switch for fluorescent lighting?
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2011, 02:33:51 pm »
FYI
RadioShack (TheShack!) still selling the last of their GE z-wave switches and outlets at a deep discount ($15-20). I just ordered a bunch. Hit their awful site and search for "z-wave".

I hear mediocre reports about the 3-way switches but the outlets, 2-way switches and lamp modules seem solid.

.//A.
Vera3x2, Leviton, GE dimmers, relays and lamp modules, Sonos, Nests...

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Re: Could somebody recommend On/Off wall switch for fluorescent lighting?
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2011, 02:54:11 pm »
FYI
RadioShack (TheShack!) still selling the last of their GE z-wave switches and outlets at a deep discount ($15-20). I just ordered a bunch. Hit their awful site and search for "z-wave".

I hear mediocre reports about the 3-way switches but the outlets, 2-way switches and lamp modules seem solid.

.//A.

I have just installed (14) of the 3 ways RS GE switches, only 3 of them are being used for their true "3-way" purpose, but they work fine, if you follow the directions.  They are NOT wired as standard 3 ways, you need to connect the yellow traveller from the switch to the aux switch, and then it works just fine.  These are even working with CFLs, they don't dim them, and they act a little funky, but they do go on and off.  FYI, these have "neutrals" as well, so that seems to be why they work.

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Re: Could somebody recommend On/Off wall switch for fluorescent lighting?
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2011, 11:37:42 pm »
I just bought (7) of the Intermatic CA3000 switches from automatedoutlet.com for $35 each, they are arriving Friday.

Do these switches support secure beam mode for relaying to locks? I keep toying with buy a couple of GE 45609 switches that Smarthome just got in and hoping that they have one of the firmwares that support beam mode.

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Re: Could somebody recommend On/Off wall switch for fluorescent lighting?
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2011, 12:01:53 am »
I have no idea, I don't have the lochs or
The equipment installed yet...

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Re: Could somebody recommend On/Off wall switch for fluorescent lighting?
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2011, 07:14:21 am »
I just bought (7) of the Intermatic CA3000 switches from automatedoutlet.com for $35 each, they are arriving Friday.

Do these switches support secure beam mode for relaying to locks? I keep toying with buy a couple of GE 45609 switches that Smarthome just got in and hoping that they have one of the firmwares that support beam mode.

The Intouch CA3000 switches are old technology and will not support the beaming technology - Intermatic discontinued this line almost 2 years ago

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Re: Could somebody recommend On/Off wall switch for fluorescent lighting?
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2011, 11:16:12 am »
Virginian,

A couple of things you need to keep in mind when dealing with Switches and Dimmers.

Total load, type of fixture you intend to use the switch/dimmer with, and not all CFLs are dimmable.

Generally speaking there are three kinds of switch/dimmers
1.   Incandescent
2.   Magnetic
3.   Electronic (Most expensive)

The first is obvious but you have to pay attention to the load factor
The second can be used with dimmable CFLs and low voltage halogens but that depends on the switch/dimmer.
The third is used with LEDs.

Another thing you need to be aware of is the dimming factor which depends on the dimmer and the device itself. You’ll find this information on the technical specification sheets If you look for the technical spec on the Luthron, Cooper lighting and Leviton brand products.  I don’t know much about ACT, GE and other off brand stuff.  This figure will vary from one brand to another and gets a bit convoluted with LEDs.  The dimming spec will tell you how low you can dim the light and sometime even the increment in the form of percentage in most cases.  Hope this helps.





krfar,

Thank you for the Dimmers & Switches 101!

Finally I installed 45609 and paired it with the door sensor in my closet, now works like a charm.
Relay "click"  is hardly noticeable, so WAF is OK.