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Offline Mai Pensato

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New z-wave chip software 4.61 ?
« on: January 26, 2018, 01:57:17 pm »
I have read in another thread that Vera is testing a new zwave chip software 4.61 that should improve amingst others the routing. Richard Schaefer mentioned he is already testing this. And Vera support will install it also on my VeraPlus because they think it will solve the issue with continuous luup restarts that is making my system completely unreliable. I am very curious for the experiences sofar. And off course I will also post my experiences here later.
@Richard: could you share your experiences?

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Re: New z-wave chip software 4.61 ?
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2018, 05:14:51 pm »
I have been running on 4.61 for a few months now and can say that I am quite happy with it. Before that my Vera Plus was reloading luup engine every few minutes, on 4.61 I had a reload every few days. Sadly that changed with the latest Vera FW 25. Now I have several reloads per day again.
The only downside to zwave FW 4.61 is that you cannot restore any backups by yourself, you need support to do that for you.

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Re: New z-wave chip software 4.61 ?
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2018, 11:52:49 pm »
@pls90,

Do you know if the inability to restore backups is going forward (i.e. backups made after V4.61 was installed) or only pre V4.61 backups?

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Re: New z-wave chip software 4.61 ?
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2018, 02:09:04 am »
Support said restore problem will only continue  UNTIL 4.61 is part of the official Vera FW.
I do hope that this is true.

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Re: New z-wave chip software 4.61 ?
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2018, 02:52:50 am »
First experiences are good: past 12 hours not a single luip restart, days before more than 25 per day.
The fact that you are depending on Vera support is a big disadvantage, they did not tell me that!!

@pls90  do you experience improvements in the routing, e.g. less devices with "can't detect device" ?  And you mentioned you have again a lot of reloads with the newest firmware: what does Support ssy about that? I am still on 1.7.2935 so did not upgrade to the last 3 firmware updates. And I am glad seeing all the big problems these created. But still this is a bad situation.

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Re: New z-wave chip software 4.61 ?
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2018, 04:11:51 am »
can't say the routing improved on FW 25 / 4.61. From the zwave view under AltUi which shows in a matrix which devices see each other (routing table) there was a significant drop.
I think this has to do with FW 25 rather than zwave FW.
The can't detect device issue is still a mess. At times almost every switch/dimmer was indicated as can't detect.
They do work though.
I have the feeling that the only remedy to that is a complete start over on a decent/stable new FW which incorporates zwave 4.61. But that is still something to be delivered by MCV.

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Re: New z-wave chip software 4.61 ?
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2018, 04:56:56 pm »
I'm curious about this as I think the chipset FW update could only be half of the solution as it only upgrades the ChipSet on the controller.
My question is how is the ChipSet upgraded in all the Z-Wave devices that are already deployed?
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Re: New z-wave chip software 4.61 ?
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2018, 09:04:07 pm »
It may be too early to tell but thus far but my Vera 3 does not have the dreaded "can't detect device" error for my 2 door sensors. My 7 z-wave devices seem to work just fine. I do get a strange error when the UI sits too long, otherwise, FW 25 seems stable.
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Re: New z-wave chip software 4.61 ?
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2018, 03:57:28 am »
@Don, do you also have the new zwave chip software installed (because there this topic is about)?  And concerning FW 25: do you use Sonos or RFXcom plugin?

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Re: New z-wave chip software 4.61 ?
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2018, 11:07:33 am »
@Don, do you also have the new zwave chip software installed (because there this topic is about)?  And concerning FW 25: do you use Sonos or RFXcom plugin?

I do not know exactly - I was thinking FW 25 included the new z-wave FW, based upon comments I was reading. I do not use Sonos or RFXcom plugin at the moment.
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Re: New z-wave chip software 4.61 ?
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2018, 01:22:51 pm »
No this new zwave chip software version 4.61 can onle be flashed by Vera support on special request. You can check the version under settings - zwave settings

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Re: New z-wave chip software 4.61 ?
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2018, 01:47:43 pm »
Update:  past 48 hours only 1 luup restart while in the days before (with the standard z-wave chip software 4.5) > 20 reloads per day.  My system is running stable again, scenes are finished and quick response.  The BIG question is WHEN does Vera implement this together with a firmware version free of bugs (and working plugins Sonos, RFXcom).

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Re: New z-wave chip software 4.61 ?
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2018, 06:17:12 pm »
Looks like I am on 3.67 L:1, perhaps because I have a Vera 3.
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Re: New z-wave chip software 4.61 ?
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2018, 04:25:35 am »
Hey Don,

Indeed 4.61 is only available for Gen5 chipset units, like VeraEdge and above.
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Re: New z-wave chip software 4.61 ?
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2018, 04:47:16 pm »
@Sorin,
But what about official deployment of new z-wave chipset firmware?
I'm also interested, as my system seems to behave inconsistently for no apparent reason.
It was really stable about a week ago (like: 1 luup reload per day or less), then it started to reload 4 times per hour or even more, then it stabilized (like less than 5 reloads per day), now it is again getting worse (but only 1-2 luup reloads per hour)