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Re: Somfy New Z-Wave RTS Interface (ZRTSI)
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2012, 05:41:45 am »
The ZRTSI works as Z-Wave to RTS and is cheaper than an URTSI which would require a USB to RS232 cable and works as RS232 to RTS (removing the Z-Wave element, but giving you essentially the same control).  There is alrerady a Vera plug-in for the URTSI, and the ZRTSI seems like it can work well with a few tweaks in Vera.

If you want Z-Wave motors (or I should say Z-Wave enabled motors) for DC Low Voltage motors on blinds there is always the DBMZ Motor Controller but you have to order your blinds with standard DC motors.  RTS motors have built-in controller which will require the interfaces mentioned above.  Or if you are on a budget you could try the RTS single channel interface connected to an ebay RS232 relay board.  With some carefull shopping the rig should cost you about $110 or so and give you single channel control of RTS products.

Single Channel RTS Interface #1810493 (old Part# 6300454):
http://www.av-outlet.com/en-us/dept_503.html

Single Channel Interface Wiring Diagram to Relays:
http://www.automatedshadestore.com/shop/avactis-images/u/Integration/SmartHome-DryCOntact-Interface.pdf

Ebay RS232 4-relay board:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170780832825

Post about plug-in for Relay board:
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=8585.0

Ebay search for USB to RS232 cable:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l2736&_nkw=USB+to+RS232+cable

Check Vera list for cable compatibility:
http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Serial_Supported_Hardware

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Re: Somfy New Z-Wave RTS Interface (ZRTSI)
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2012, 06:28:24 am »
Any idea what the range would be for the ZRSTI? I have RTS blinds in three parts of the house and I'm wondering if it would make more sense to use the single-channel RTS and a Z-wave I/O device (if one exists) for each of the three? Even though the ZRSTI is very expensive, it will be as much or more to buy these pairs of devices for three areas (and much less elegant) but I'm just wondering if the transmission range of the ZRSTI will handle blinds on both sides of my small house.

I have a small mid-century modern post-and-beam house, but even as open as it is, the Z-wave and wi-fi transmission challenges drive me crazy. I know I could use the Global Cache wi-fi to I/O devices in combination with the Somfy single-channel, but that ends up at about $200 per blind. Ugh. At that rate I could even buy both the ZRSTI and the range extender (if needed to cover the whole house).

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Re: Somfy New Z-Wave RTS Interface (ZRTSI)
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2012, 07:35:22 am »
If you can get a Cat5 from Vera to somewhere within 70ft of all of the shades, then you might consider an URTSII and go Vera to USB to RS232 to DB9 to RJ45 to CAT5 to URTSII and get a reliable wired connection all the way out to being close to the shades controlled via RTS. 

The ZRTSI will have the Z-Wave issues you mention, but those may be able to be fixed by manually assigning its neighbor nodes or adding lamp modules to extend the Z-Wave signal.  RTS is limited to around 70ft on average but can go as high as 100ft, it depends since RF actually stands for Really Funny as you never know what may be interfering with the signal.  Most of the time there won't be any problems, but when there are they are real head scratchers.

A good test if you already have an RTS remote control is to see where that works and wherever works then you know the interfaces should work in the same location.  The FCC regulates the power of their RTS transmitters so they all have about the same power with a couple exceptions.  Actually the single channel RTS interface is just the guts of a handheld remote with wires soldered to the contacts on its circuit board, so if you want to sacrifice or upgrade your existing remote you can use it as a dry contact interface (see attached picture).

To summarize the ZRTSI should have the same range as the URTSI, but the URTSI does away with the Z-Wave element.  The single channel RTS interface is just a handheld remote basically so it doesn't have a larger, detachable antennae that the URTSI and ZRTSI have but should have similar RTS range.   PM me if you need any help.
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Re: Somfy New Z-Wave RTS Interface (ZRTSI)
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2012, 09:23:43 am »
These are the components that I used.

1870202 Somfy Z-Wave to Universal RTS Interface ZRTSI Bridge Controller
1000678 Somfy WireFree Tilt Motor (RTS) for 2" Blinds
Headrail Adapter:: High Profile - 9014529
Power Source:: 12V DC 1A White Plug-In Transformer
1810633 Somfy Telis 4 Pure RTS 5 Channel Remote Transmitter

No plugs in were required.

As mentioned, when I added the ZRTSI device, Vera3 recognized it as a door switch. Changing the attributes for the device switched it to a blinds controller.

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Re: Somfy New Z-Wave RTS Interface (ZRTSI)
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2012, 04:19:27 am »
These are the components that I used.

1870202 Somfy Z-Wave to Universal RTS Interface ZRTSI Bridge Controller
1000678 Somfy WireFree Tilt Motor (RTS) for 2" Blinds
Headrail Adapter:: High Profile - 9014529
Power Source:: 12V DC 1A White Plug-In Transformer
1810633 Somfy Telis 4 Pure RTS 5 Channel Remote Transmitter

No plugs in were required.

As mentioned, when I added the ZRTSI device, Vera3 recognized it as a door switch. Changing the attributes for the device switched it to a blinds controller.

I checked out this list on http://www.automatedshadeinc.com/ and it looks like its just under $200 per window (not including the ZRTSI) ...is that right?

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Re: Somfy New Z-Wave RTS Interface (ZRTSI)
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2012, 10:49:28 am »
Approx $150 per window, including the headrail adapter & transformer. I did not require a shaft adapter, but its only a couple of bucks.



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Re: Somfy New Z-Wave RTS Interface (ZRTSI)
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2012, 12:41:20 pm »
@mbairhead just so you are aware that the motor @alex09 used was for tilt only, so it will not raise or lower the window treatment with the motor.  If you end up buying buy the 1000494 lift motor instead you'll probably want to pick up the reset button for it 9013291.  The 1000678 has the reset/program button built in, FYI.  Also I'd recommend the Telis Modulis remote for tilt as it has a scroll wheel which is neat to have since you won't have the Z-Wave benefits.

The big pro of going RTS is you can use RTS 433MHz remotes and accessories and add an interface (3 possibilities for RTS) for Vera control, the big con is that you don't have all of the Z-Wave motor control benefits that confirm movement, allow for 0-100% of openness, and poll for position. 

I know I've said it before but I want to be sure everyone is clear on what the ZRTSI does, it is basically a wireless URTSI (which already has a plug-in in Vera) for a little less money.  Somfy increased the ZRTSI price up 140% when they realized they couldn't stop people from purchasing it outside of the TaHoma system, and so it would be more inline with what the URTSI costs.

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Re: Somfy New Z-Wave RTS Interface (ZRTSI)
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2012, 06:22:04 pm »
I got my ZRTSI installed and each channel becomes a Z-wave node of window covering device type. I have RTS  motors on an awning and a couple of shades. I can't figure out how to control them in SQ Remote. Is anybody doing this?

Edit: second question: up and down are reversed ("Up" sends the shades down) so I'm wondering how to correct this. I could change the operation of the motors relative to the command, but then they wouldn't match the correct operation of the Somfy remotes. Is there a variable I can change in the Vera device that controls this?
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Re: Somfy New Z-Wave RTS Interface (ZRTSI)
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2012, 11:21:37 pm »
does anyone know if a european zwave version is available, and from where can we order it online?

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Re: Somfy New Z-Wave RTS Interface (ZRTSI)
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2012, 11:28:14 pm »
There is a Tahoma system in Europe, but it may not use Z-Wave yet.  I think it uses io-homecontrol which is bi-directional radio too. 

Do you have to have a Z-Wave interface?  Because you could just connect a Somfy URTSI to Vera via a USB to RS232 cable and control 16 channels of RTS shades.
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Re: Somfy New Z-Wave RTS Interface (ZRTSI)
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2012, 11:41:01 pm »
Thank you for ur reply Shady, I will look into it right now :)

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Re: Somfy New Z-Wave RTS Interface (ZRTSI)
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2012, 06:34:47 am »
Just got my ZRTSI. It is being identified as a "scene controller" by vera. I tried to change to "WindowCovering" but I guess I am doing it wrong because it does not retain that change. How do we go about changing the device type so it functions properly?

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Re: Somfy New Z-Wave RTS Interface (ZRTSI)
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2012, 08:19:37 am »
Are you changing the device file in the advanced tab of the device settings to D_WindowCovering1.xml?  Then let Vera do it's thing for 10-15 min and the controls for the device should change in the UI.
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Re: Somfy New Z-Wave RTS Interface (ZRTSI)
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2012, 08:35:24 am »
Just got my ZRTSI.

May I ask where did you get it from? and how was their service? I am  really considering to get one to control several blinds around the house, but only few online places have them in stock, any recommendations?

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Re: Somfy New Z-Wave RTS Interface (ZRTSI)
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2012, 11:21:40 am »
From AV-Outlet  (www.av-outlet.com). Best price and fast service. Of course I can't get it to work but I don't think that is their fault or anything in particular wrong with the product.