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Offline Les F

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any one using dimmers with dimmable LED bulbs?
« on: March 26, 2011, 11:22:58 am »
http://www.pharox-led.com/us/index.php/pharox-300/pharox-300-flame.html

Looking at trying these... They have a list of compatible and non compatible dimmers but of course no mention of zwave dimmers.  

Or... can anyone recommend a 60w equiv LED dimmable that will work with any zwave dimmers?  Prefer something not harsh white, but a bit warmer for living room / TV area use.   Currently have a mix of 'can' and regular ceiling fixtures with glass cover.  However would be open to changing things as long as it doesn't cost a fortune.

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Re: any one using dimmers with pharox dimmable LED bulbs?
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2011, 11:30:00 am »

http://www.pharox-led.com/us/index.php/pharox-300/pharox-300-flame.html

Looking at trying these... They have a list of compatible and non compatible dimmers but of course no mention of zwave dimmers.   

Or... can anyone recommend a 60w equiv LED dimmable that will work with any zwave dimmers?  Prefer something not harsh white, but a bit warmer for living room / TV area use.   Currently have a mix of 'can' and regular ceiling fixtures with glass cover.  However would be open to changing things as long as it doesn't cost a fortune.

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Hi Les --

  I have been experimenting with many of the LED bulbs with the GE/JASCO Lamp Modules. The led bulbs work fine without any problem that I can identify. Dimming works very smoothly, unlike the CF bulbs. I have had a lot of success with this  particular Phillips bulb:

http://www.homedepot.com/Philips/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ15b/R-202530170/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053


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Re: any one using dimmers with pharox dimmable LED bulbs?
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2011, 11:43:04 am »

Thanks!... wow I had seen that phillips bulb in pop mechanics recently. 

How does it really look?  Will it throw light just as well from all directions (sitting upright in a lamp, hanging in a can, etc..) 

I would just go out and try it, but a quick search shows NO home depot in my area selling that bulb. 

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Re: any one using dimmers with dimmable LED bulbs?
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2011, 01:18:24 pm »
I have one that I have been testing for a few weeks now and I really like it.  It gives off a very nice light, dims smoothly and is just as bright as a 60w bulb.  Don't let the orange color put you off.  I have tried it using three different dimmers and it works in all of them and dims to about 5% before shutting off.  All we need now is for the price to drop.

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Re: any one using dimmers with dimmable LED bulbs?
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2011, 01:03:33 am »
I have been testing an R30 style 9W LED (=60w) from Earthled.com.  Bought the 2800k and the light is really nice. I think it has a 165degree beam pattern which floods well from a ceiling can and looks just like a standard R30 bulb from the front.

It dims really well using a Leviton Zwave dimmer. One note of caution-if you use these next to a regular incandescent bulb, they look very similar on full power. When you dim these LED's, they stay white as opposed to an incandescent which turns quite burnt orange at lower power. So if you replace all of the surrounding bulbs you will see no difference. If not, it will look odd.

Pricing in single piece units is still quite steep. They do have quantity pricing (over 50 units) which drastically brings the price down to "manageable" levels.

PS. This bulb is not yet listed on their site. It's a new product and I found out about it while inquiring about something else.

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Re: any one using dimmers with dimmable LED bulbs?
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2011, 07:53:23 am »
I have been testing an R30 style 9W LED (=60w) from Earthled.com.  Bought the 2800k and the light is really nice. I think it has a 165degree beam pattern which floods well from a ceiling can and looks just like a standard R30 bulb from the front.

It dims really well using a Leviton Zwave dimmer. One note of caution-if you use these next to a regular incandescent bulb, they look very similar on full power. When you dim these LED's, they stay white as opposed to an incandescent which turns quite burnt orange at lower power. So if you replace all of the surrounding bulbs you will see no difference. If not, it will look odd.

Pricing in single piece units is still quite steep. They do have quantity pricing (over 50 units) which drastically brings the price down to "manageable" levels.

PS. This bulb is not yet listed on their site. It's a new product and I found out about it while inquiring about something else.

This is almost word for word what I would write about these bulbs. I have been replacing the incandescents in my kitchen with these as they burn out. I use the Leviton dimmers as well and they work great. A couple odd things I've noticed about them is they reflect things off my granite in great detail on the ceiling...odd but not a deal breaker by a long shot and the other, they do dim down to about 5% then shut off which is very noticeable when the regular bulb dims all the way to 0%.

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Re: any one using dimmers with dimmable LED bulbs?
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2011, 08:40:29 am »
I have 4 of the EcoSmart A19's from Home Depot.  Tried them with several z-wave and non-zwave dimmers.  They appear to have a 'ringing' while dimmed at certain levels.  My 20 year old son can hear them, but I can't!  It was bad enough I had to take them out.

Also, with three of these bulbs on a non-z-wave Leviton three way dimmer, the remote dimmer did not work correctly as it would not turn them off from the remote location.  I wrote this off as being due to not meeting the 40Watt minimum load (only had about 29 Watts for the three).  I did test this back and forth with incandescents and it reproduces.  The remote switch will turn on but will not dim and will not shut them off.  Dimming and on/off work properly at the main switch  (with the IR port).
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Re: any one using dimmers with dimmable LED bulbs?
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2011, 11:28:40 am »
I have the Phillips orange 60w equivalent LED bulbs. I installed one in one of a pair of bedroom lamps, with the other lamp having the old 60w incadescent. At full brightness, I believe most people would have a problem identifying which was which.

The dimming rate is different between the incadescent and the LED, and the light output color is different at lower power (the incadescent gets more yellower than the LED does when dimmed). Not a problem in my opinion, except that you would not want to mix and match incadescent and LED on the same dimmer (I got a second Phillips for the other lamp).

The dimmer is a ZWave lamp module from Intermatic.

I got my bulbs by mail order from Polar Ray in Colorado.

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Re: any one using dimmers with dimmable LED bulbs?
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2011, 01:10:30 pm »
My problem w/ the Philips is the two-fold. First, that orange exterior is hideous and can't be used without being hidden from sight. Why they would pick that color over white or beige or black is beyond me. Secondly, it is a very much a spot as opposed to a flood which, IMO, the flood is more versatile.
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Re: any one using dimmers with dimmable LED bulbs?
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2011, 09:30:47 pm »
That hideous hue no doubt needs to optically offset whatever color spectrum the actual LED's are emitting.  They are not pretty, to be sure.
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Re: any one using dimmers with dimmable LED bulbs?
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2011, 07:02:12 am »

I ordered a phillips as well as one of the others mentioned in this thread.  Looks like when turned off the phillips looks like a bug light.  Looks like all the 60w dimmables are running about $39 right now.
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Re: any one using dimmers with dimmable LED bulbs?
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2011, 12:14:49 am »
That hideous hue no doubt needs to optically offset whatever color spectrum the actual LED's are emitting.  They are not pretty, to be sure.

I have two of these bulbs in some of my accent lights behind a kitchen hutch and also behind a planter. I agree 100% that you need to hide the bulb to pass the WAF.

However, the actual light output from them is pretty good for an LED. They dim nicely (I experienced better dimming capability on a Leviton plug-in dimmer than I did on the GE plug in dimmer). To be more specific, on the GE plug in dimmer, the dim level is fine, but as it ramps up / down it can flicker a bit. The Leviton is much smoother ramp.

I also use the EcoSmart floods in my kitchen. They're nice, especially since I can power all 6 of the lights for less than the cost of what I replaced! Those 120W got really hot in the summer, too. I can't wait to "feel" the difference in a couple of months!

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Re: any one using dimmers with dimmable LED bulbs?
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2011, 04:41:13 pm »
Anyone used these from Lowes?  http://dealnews.com/lw/artclick.html?2,454589,1514232

These 40-watt Utilitech Dimmable LED's are only $9.98 each according to the flyer I just got in the mail.  I'd love to hear some opinions, I'm pondering the switch to LED for some fixtures and also have some GU10 on dimmers I'd like to replace, but these 40-watt models for $10 seem like a deal!

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Re: any one using dimmers with dimmable LED bulbs?
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2011, 06:39:46 pm »
Anyone used these from Lowes?  http://dealnews.com/lw/artclick.html?2,454589,1514232

These 40-watt Utilitech Dimmable LED's are only $9.98 each according to the flyer I just got in the mail.  I'd love to hear some opinions, I'm pondering the switch to LED for some fixtures and also have some GU10 on dimmers I'd like to replace, but these 40-watt models for $10 seem like a deal!


Was in Lowes this afternoon looking for the new hybrid halogen/CFL bulbs (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ygreen/20110419/sc_ygreen/hybridbulbscombinecflandhalogenbulbfeatures_1 and http://pressroom.geconsumerproducts.com/pr/ge/_prv-three-bulbs-in-one-ge-s-hybrid-199673.aspx) and I took a look at the $9.98 LED you're referencing.
Didn't care for the 3000K color temperature, I prefer 2700K for my lights. FWIW- I'm not sure, but I think $9.98 may now be the everyday price for this particular LED cause there was one of the "new low price" shelf tags right below the bulbs with the $9.98 price on it. I also noticed some NOS of the same part number and it showed a lower Lumens rating of 450 versus 490 Lumens on the newer packages. So I don't know if there's some trickery going on with the Lumens ratings- but there's two different values for the same part number?

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Re: any one using dimmers with dimmable LED bulbs?
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2011, 10:46:48 pm »
Anyone used these from Lowes?  http://dealnews.com/lw/artclick.html?2,454589,1514232

These 40-watt Utilitech Dimmable LED's are only $9.98 each according to the flyer I just got in the mail.  I'd love to hear some opinions, I'm pondering the switch to LED for some fixtures and also have some GU10 on dimmers I'd like to replace, but these 40-watt models for $10 seem like a deal!


I'll most likely buy one tomorrow and give it a try.
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