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Offline barath

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Battery operated On/Off Light Switch
« on: April 03, 2011, 11:45:00 pm »
Hi

The light switches in my home do not have neutral connection. Are there any battery operated switches that work with Vera 2 very well?

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Re: Battery operated On/Off Light Switch
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2011, 03:53:07 am »
Can't see from your profile where you're based but have a look here;

http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Supported_Hardware#Lighting_Devices

There are various solutions to your problem but I don't think any battery powered light switches exist.

If you have 3-way lighting then you can be pretty much assured that live and neutral are supplied to the ceiling rose in most cases, so you could use the ACT ZDM230 in place of either end of the 2 way and rewire the rose to supply power to either end.

Or there are 2 wire switches available (so no neutral needed) like the ACT ZDW232.


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Re: Battery operated On/Off Light Switch
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2011, 10:25:39 am »

http://store.homeseer.com/store/RF9500---Battery-Operated-Wireless-Switch-Dimmer-Cooper-Aspire-RF-P552C69.aspx

You may get a better price by contacting them - from the above link: "CALL OR EMAIL US NOW FOR BEST PRICING ON ALL COOPER PRODUCTS!"

Don't know if Vera supports it.

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Re: Battery operated On/Off Light Switch
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2011, 10:28:59 am »
Thanks!! I'm in US. Looks like ZDW232 is for Europe.

Will check on the Coopper ones. They seem to be expensive.

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Re: Battery operated On/Off Light Switch
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2011, 12:24:58 pm »
Hi

The light switches in my home do not have neutral connection. Are there any battery operated switches that work with Vera 2 very well?

Thanks

Just for my information, could you describe what are the wires going to the switch and to the light ?
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Re: Battery operated On/Off Light Switch
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2011, 01:38:05 pm »
There are three wires coming to this switch.

Copper Wire for Ground
Black Wire for Hot In
White Wire for goes to the Load

The neutral is directly going to the Light.

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Re: Battery operated On/Off Light Switch
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2011, 01:50:11 pm »
Dimmers will work without a neutral. The only battery-operated Z-wave light control is a dimmer - the Cooper RF9500 which (obviously) doesn't get connected to any wires at all.
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Re: Battery operated On/Off Light Switch
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2011, 04:06:43 pm »
I could be wrong but I don't see why the usual Z-Wave switches would not work ?
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Re: Battery operated On/Off Light Switch
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2011, 05:09:27 pm »
I have a house with an attached apartment that we use as part of the main house since we bought it and that side has nuetrals, but the main house doesn't.

So, in-wall dimmer modules and incandescent lights are installed where there are no neutrals, and we can also use plugin modules on that side of the house. 

But, the GE 45631 is also a battery operated "switch", associating with modules directly and just like the cooper it's battery powered and has 4 buttons you can assign to a single light or groups of lights, etc

I use the GE 45631 to place a switch anywhere, with no wiring at all.  I love this device and it's about $80 less than the cooper device.
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Re: Battery operated On/Off Light Switch
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2011, 05:14:22 pm »
The light switches in my home do not have neutral connection. Are there any battery operated switches that work with Vera 2 very well?
If you're looking to just do a single switch, so no 3-way etc., and you have incandescent lights, then some of the dimmer/switch options out there will work.

This is assuming that you are looking to replace your traditional switch that currently switches the load on/off.

(Note that the Cooper and GE devices referenced in this thread are 'controllers' that can send Z-Wave commands to Z-Wave switches and dimmers.)
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Re: Battery operated On/Off Light Switch
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2011, 06:34:07 pm »
I want to control the CFL. Looks like I need to run neutral.

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Re: Battery operated On/Off Light Switch
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2011, 08:36:11 pm »
I had it installed without neutral connection. My electrician told me we can use ground as neutral on the GE45609/ GE45614.

Load --> Light
Line --> Hotwire
Neutral --> Ground
Ground --> Left Open

And it works very well.


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Re: Battery operated On/Off Light Switch
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2011, 11:44:42 pm »
It will work, but it is technically not correct.  There should be no current flow in the ground circuit.  The GE switches will produce current flow in the ground line if wired in this manner.  If the circuit is on a ground fault breaker, this will probably trip the breaker.

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Re: Battery operated On/Off Light Switch
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2011, 08:33:51 am »
I wouldn't suggest using the ground as a return.  If your house burns down your insurance will be void if this is the cause.  Not worth the risk.

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Re: Battery operated On/Off Light Switch
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2011, 09:14:02 am »
Thanks. I will have the neutral wire connected properly.
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