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Offline AndersMalm

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Re: Fibaro Double Switch (FGS-223) Lag
« Reply #180 on: January 24, 2019, 06:08:31 am »
Have a look at hass.io, it's very flexible. For now not very intuitive but you can easily import Vera devices. Adding an extra zwave usb dongle (OZW) for non supported vera-supported devices and you can (re)place some logic (or all) to hass.

I would have hoped Ezlo had bought hass and worked on rock solid zwave device support there.

One big downside: everything has to be modeled in the UI via "CLI" (config files). But they said they'r working on it. that's a hassle :-)

I'm not really interested in a dongle/software solution, but if its the only way. What do you mean with import Vera devices? You can migrate the devices from Vera so you do not need to repair them etc?

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Re: Fibaro Double Switch (FGS-223) Lag
« Reply #181 on: January 24, 2019, 07:14:25 am »
Vera, is also a controller with a zwave radio (dongle).

I mean this:
https://www.home-assistant.io/components/vera/

and then all your vera devices (zwave an non zwave) become available in hass and from there you can do all logic and control.
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Re: Fibaro Double Switch (FGS-223) Lag
« Reply #182 on: January 24, 2019, 07:41:39 am »
Vera, is also a controller with a zwave radio (dongle).

I mean this:
https://www.home-assistant.io/components/vera/

and then all your vera devices (zwave an non zwave) become available in hass and from there you can do all logic and control.

But I'm not going to keep the Vera. it will be returned on the warranty. Plus using two controllers seems really like a sub par solution.

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Re: Fibaro Double Switch (FGS-223) Lag
« Reply #183 on: January 24, 2019, 07:54:44 am »
Just saw this, I would say its close to fraud. They list it has compatible. And nowhere do they tell how bad Vera works with the device.
Sure they have that yellow warning badge. But it doesnt tell that any sub subsequent command to any other device will be severely delayed

(https://i.imgur.com/zXFKOMo.png)


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Re: Fibaro Double Switch (FGS-223) Lag
« Reply #184 on: January 24, 2019, 09:45:11 am »
Haha!!

https://web.archive.org/web/20180228102840/https://getvera.com/portfolio-posts/fibaro-double-switch-2/
The proof is there! A scandal!!

BTW, the switch is working flawlessly on HomeSeeer which I am testing right now.
The switch is really an excellent device with strong capabilities (parameters).
HomeSeer seems very good too.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2019, 11:05:32 am by Bobone »

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Re: Fibaro Double Switch (FGS-223) Lag
« Reply #185 on: January 24, 2019, 09:47:24 am »

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Re: Fibaro Double Switch (FGS-223) Lag
« Reply #186 on: January 24, 2019, 09:54:49 am »
BTW, the switch is working flawlessly on HomeSeeer which I am testing right now.
It is really an excellent device with strong capabilities.

Are they sold in the EU?


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Re: Fibaro Double Switch (FGS-223) Lag
« Reply #187 on: January 24, 2019, 10:06:57 am »
Yes, I have bought it as SW with a Z-wave.me USB controller to start with.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2019, 11:08:11 am by Bobone »

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Re: Fibaro Double Switch (FGS-223) Lag
« Reply #188 on: January 24, 2019, 10:26:43 am »
Vera, is also a controller with a zwave radio (dongle).

I mean this:
https://www.home-assistant.io/components/vera/

and then all your vera devices (zwave an non zwave) become available in hass and from there you can do all logic and control.

Sender, can I add Hass to my Vera without altering it in any way?

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Re: Fibaro Double Switch (FGS-223) Lag
« Reply #189 on: January 24, 2019, 10:28:03 am »
Yes, it only reads vera devices
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Re: Fibaro Double Switch (FGS-223) Lag
« Reply #190 on: January 24, 2019, 10:30:06 am »
Yes, it only reads vera devices

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Re: Fibaro Double Switch (FGS-223) Lag
« Reply #191 on: January 24, 2019, 10:31:47 am »
Its free  ;D
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Re: Fibaro Double Switch (FGS-223) Lag
« Reply #192 on: January 24, 2019, 10:51:21 am »

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Re: Fibaro Double Switch (FGS-223) Lag
« Reply #193 on: January 30, 2019, 05:15:40 am »
We also faced the problem of the operation of the Fibaro FGS-223 modules in the Vera's network. One of our customers was forced to put the FGS-223 not behind the wall switch, but directly next to the load. Because behind the switch he does not have a neutral wire. So that the client could control the light "from the wall", we suggested using our portable buttons switch DWB-101 to send to FGS-223 assotiated coomands. Client was very pleased with this possibility until he tried it. In fact, such combination doesn't not work. I mean, the client set up the associations between the buttons on the portable transmitter, but the FGS-223 did not respond to button presses.

We started to model such a situation in order to help the client. We found out the following:
- FGS-223 is included in the controller's z-wave network in secured mode (by default);
- our portable switch does not use encryption (there are various reasons for this, but so far it is). So it included in z-wave network in non-secured mode;
- the associations are set up correctly, and when you press the buttons of the portable switch, the necessary unencrypted commands go on air - "Basic Set 00 / FF" in the "Multi Channel Cmd Encap" wrapper (we monitored this with Zniffer);
- FGS-223 receives these commands from the portable switch, confirms this ("Ack" can be seen in Zniffer), but does not execute them.

We assumed that since FGS-223 was added to the z-wave network by the Vera controller in secured mode, it does not accept unencrypted commands for execution. To test this, we included both devices - the FGS-223 and our portable switch -to the Z-Wave USB network adapter using the Z-Wave PC controller (Sigma?s Certified software).

So we were able to make sure that
A) if the FGS-223 is included in the controller's network in encrypted mode, it executes encrypted commands, but does not execute commands without encryption;
B) if FGS-223 is included in the controller's network in unprotected mode, it executes commands without encryption ;)

Thus, our bundle can work only if FGS-223 is added to the controller's network without encryption.

To allow users to work in different combinations of Vera controllers, we even made firmware without encryption for our 1-channel and 2-channel relay micrimodules DAS-101/DAS-102. But since almost no one wants to change their existing Fibaro devices for analogs (that would be cool for us, but cruel to users), we want to ask Vera engineers:

You do not want to give your customers a choice of how to add devices to the network - with or without encryption?
This is done in other controllers, and many use other controllers only because they are more flexible now.

Maybe I don't know, and there's already a way to add a device to the Vera controller?s network without encryption? Then I ask those who know him to show me this.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2019, 05:03:55 pm by DEFARO »

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Re: Fibaro Double Switch (FGS-223) Lag
« Reply #194 on: February 18, 2019, 05:27:42 am »
You guys know if this problem also affects associations? One double switch sends its 4th group to another and it works and is most often fast (Im guessing because it does not need to relay the request over the buggy Vera). But sometimes the light does not turn on at all. Which is strange since z-wave uses reliable connections (ack/resend etc)