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Offline mitch672

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GE 45605 Ignore All-on, All-off advanced setup
« on: June 04, 2011, 02:03:56 pm »
In the book that comes with the device, on page 15 of the PDF, they state you can program the outlet to ignore or respond to ALL-ON and ALL-OFF commands, except, they do not list the variable #'s needed to get it working.

On the next page, they tell you how to invert the blue LED to indicate either on or off, your preference, and that works great.

Anyone know the parameter #'s, and what the option bytes should be for the 4 possible ways to configure the outlet?

Thanks,

Mitch

P.S. Here is a link to the PDF manual of the GE/Jasco 45605
http://www.jascoproducts.com/support/manual-downloads/applications/DocumentLibraryManager/upload/45605-Manual-Eng.pdf


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Re: GE 45605 Ignore All-on, All-off advanced setup
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2011, 07:25:02 pm »
ADVANCED OPERATION:
The following Advanced Operation parameters require that you
have an advanced controller like the model 45601 Advanced
remote. Advanced remotes from other manufacturers may also
be able to change these settings; however, basic remotes do not
have this capability
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All On/All Off:
Depending upon your primary controller, the 45606 dimmer switch
can be set to respond to ALL ON and ALL OFF commands in up to
four different ways. Some controllers may not be able to change
the response from its default setting. Please refer to your controller’s
instructions for information on whether or not it supports the
configuration function and if so, how to change this setting.
The four possible responses are:
1.- It will respond to ALL ON and the ALL OFF command
(default).
2.- It will not respond to ALL ON or ALL OFF commands.
3.- It will respond to the ALL OFF command but will not respond
to the ALL ON command.
4.- It will respond to the ALL ON command but will not respond
to the ALL OFF command.

LED Light:
When shipped from the factory, the LED on the 45606 is set to turn
ON when the connected light is turned OFF. This allows the LED
to indicate the switch’s location in a dark room. To make the LED
turn ON when the light is turned ON, change parameter 3’s value
to “1”.
- Parameter No: 3
- Length: 1 Byte
- Valid Values = 0 or 1 (default 0)

Invert Switch:
If the dimmer switch is accidentally installed upside down with
“On” at the bottom and “Off” at the top, the default On/Off rocker
settings can be reversed by changing parameter 4’s value to “1”.
- Parameter No: 4
- Length: 1 Byte
- Valid Values = 0 or 1 (default 0)

Dim Rate Adjustments:
Both the number of steps (or levels) that the dimmer will change
and the timing of the steps can be modified to suit personal
preferences. The timing of the steps can be adjusted in 10
millisecond intervals. As an example, the default setting for
parameter 8 is “3”. This means that the lighting level will change
every 30 milliseconds when the Dim Command is received. A
value of 255 would mean that the level would change every
2.55 seconds. Combined, the two parameters allow dim rate
adjustments from 10 milliseconds to 4.2 minutes to go from
maximum-to-minimum or minimum-to-maximum brightness levels.

1. When Receiving a Z-Wave Dim Command
- Parameter 7 (number of steps or levels)
- Parameter 8 (timing of the steps)
- Length: 1 Byte
Valid Values:
Parameter 7 (default = 1) Valid Values: 1-99
Parameter 8 (default = 3) Valid Values: 1-255

2. Manual Control Dimming (pressing the Dimmer’s rocker)
- Parameter 9 (number of steps or levels)
- Parameter 10 (timing of the steps)
- Length: 1 Byte
Valid Values:
Parameter 9 (default = 1) Valid Values: 1-99
Parameter 10 (default = 3) Valid Values: 1-255

3. When Receiving an All-On or All-Off Command
- Parameter 11 (number of steps or levels)
- Parameter 12 (timing of the steps)
- Length: 1 Byte

Valid Values:
Parameter 11 (default = 1) Valid Values: 1-99
Parameter 12 (default = 3) Valid Values: 1-255
Ignore Start Level When Receiving Dim Commands
Please note: Every “Dim” command includes a start level
embedded in it.
The 45606 can be set to ignore the start level that is part of the
dim command. Setting parameter 5 to a value of 0 will cause the
45606 to dim or brighten from the start level embedded in the
command.
- Parameter No: 5
- Length: 1 Byte
- Valid Values = 0 or 1 (default 1)

What I haven't found in all of the posts is the fact about WHERE are these PARAMETERS located??
Well, they are located in the DEVICE OPTIONS sections and you have to "click on the ADD CONFIGURATIONS bar, once you open that window
The "variable window is where you add the number of the PARAMETER you want to set up, ERGO: #3 is for controlling the BLUE light. #4 is for inverting the switch and so on.
If I knew how to include a screen shot, I would give you a JPEG of my settings.
I have the blue pilot light "on" when the light is on and I have the dimmers set to "instant on" when I press the rocker switch and the I have the lights slowly ramp up or down when Vera controls the light.
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Re: GE 45605 Ignore All-on, All-off advanced setup
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2011, 08:19:32 am »
the setting below works well.

to make instant on (no dimming),

for Vera control:
7 set to 99
8 set to 1

For local/rocker control:
9 set to 99
10 set to 1

I kinda like local/rocker control to be instant, like a traditional on/off switch.  I only set 9/10.

Also, when removing, I had to set the entries back to the default before deleting, or it would not go back to default.



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Re: GE 45605 Ignore All-on, All-off advanced setup
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2011, 08:24:49 am »
@Intrepid,

See also this thread.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2011, 08:27:02 am by oTi@ »
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Re: GE 45605 Ignore All-on, All-off advanced setup
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2011, 08:26:33 am »
Thanks for that thread.  Any idea if these instant on, non-dimming settings will make these dimmers work better with CFL/LED lights?


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Re: GE 45605 Ignore All-on, All-off advanced setup
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2011, 08:29:06 am »
var 9, 1 byte dec, 99
var 10, 1 byte dec, 255

This works for no ramp up.  But there is a 1/2 second delay in executing.  Default dim starts immediately, but these settings are delayed in the instant on.
If you are working with the 45605 Duplex Receptacle the following Advanced Operation parameters are applicable: All-ON and All-OFF and LED Light - please see page 15 of the 45605 User Manual

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Re: GE 45605 Ignore All-on, All-off advanced setup
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2011, 11:10:56 am »
Thanks for that thread.  Any idea if these instant on, non-dimming settings will make these dimmers work better with CFL/LED lights?
There is a big difference between CFL Lighting and LED Lighting. I am not aware of a manufacturer that supports the use of Z-Wave  dimmers with CFL bulbs every one that I have talked to has told me if you are going to use CFLs use relay switches.

I know that the standard Vizia RF+ Dimmers work fine with the Cree Bulbs - I cannot justify the cost though. As technology improves and a standard is implemented for both lighting technologies we will see what we will see - for now I am stocking up on those portable electric heaters(incandescent bulbs) ;D   

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Re: GE 45605 Ignore All-on, All-off advanced setup
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2011, 02:04:09 am »
Agreed.  You need to use appliance switches for CFL control.

The problem, and you maybe haven't noticed it yet, is that the dimmer switch passes a low amount of power through the load in order to power itself, because every electric circuit needs to be completed.  I tried this with a fixture full of CFLs, and thought I could set the ramp time to as fast as possible.  But there were still "flashes" of electricity going through the bulb, even when it was supposedly powered off.  The blinking was not only annoying, but probably rapidly burning the life out of the CFLs.

The power is so low that ordinary incandescent bulbs don't light up, so the problem isn't visible with incandescents.  But the drain is still there, and it's how the switch powers its own internal electronics.

The reason they made them work like this is that these dimmer switches can be drop-in replacements for ordinary light switches.  Ordinary switches just switch the hot leads to the fixture, and don't need to connect a wire to neutral for any reason.

An appliance switch will take care of its own electrical requirements by requiring a separate wire to the neutral (white) leg to complete the circuit. That way it doesn't rely on the controlled load to provide the complete circuit it needs to run the radio.  But some light circuit switches are wired such that the electrical boxes simply don't have neutral wires passing through them.  This is actually common, and you'll see this where the line comes into the light fixture itself, and the electrician just ran a two-wire from the fixture to the light switch.  It would be very hard to retrofit an appliance switch into a box like that.