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Intermatic CA9000 motion detector
« on: October 17, 2008, 03:51:13 pm »
Have you guys tested Vera with Intermatic CA9000 motion detector?

Unlike ZIR000 this one is available in Canada, but I'm hesitating to buy it - in various forums people complained that it eats batteries in 3 days, and that it doesn't wake up as expected... If the problem with CA9000 still exists, people surely will start blaming Vera...

So, if you know anything on CA9000 "trickiness" and whether Vera knows to deal with it - I'd appreciate any info.


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Re: Intermatic CA9000 motion detector
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2008, 03:10:05 pm »
We've been fighting with that motion sensor.  We disabled on the shop because it's not correctly firing the Z-Wave commands when the motion is tripped.  We called intermatic's tech support and were told that this motion sensor can only be used to pair it with a switch and automatically activate a light (ie send an 'on' command to a light), but cannot fire a 'sensor tripped' event for a control sensor like Vera.  However we're trying to dig deeper because it seems hard to believe they'd make a motion sensor that can't be used as a security sensor.  We added a note on the shop that compatibility is not confirmed.

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Re: Intermatic CA9000 motion detector
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2008, 03:26:05 pm »
What PIRs are confirmed to work with Vera? ZIR000, anything else?

What about door/window sensors, such as Hawking HRDS1?

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Re: Intermatic CA9000 motion detector
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2008, 03:45:43 pm »
We're working to get some low-cost motion & door/window sensors from an OEM in China on our site.  They'll be affordable, but we have to buy 1,000 units at a time and since we just launched we don't have enough of a volume yet.  We're already on track this week to sell hundreds of Vera systems during the beta period, but only 1 order so far for a motion detector, so it'll be a while before we can order the OEM versions.  The only off-the-shelf models we tested are the ACT and Intermatic, and only the ACT worked correctly.

During the beta period we'll be monitoring people's wish lists to find the popular Z-Wave stuff the public wants supported and getting units in to be sure they work with Vera.  I'll add the Hawking door/window sensors to the list; we haven't tested them yet.  They probably work, and if you have one already paired to your system and are willing to turn on the remote access so I can peak at your system logs (or email me the logs if you're comfortable navigating a linux os), then I can see what vendor/model info the Hawking's are reporting, what command classes they're supporting, and be sure they're in our database, and then patch your Z-Wave database so they work.  Otherwise I'll post to this thread when we can get one in our own lab.

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Re: Intermatic CA9000 motion detector
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2008, 10:01:15 pm »
We're working to get some low-cost motion & door/window sensors from an OEM in China on our site.  They'll be affordable, but we have to buy 1,000 units at a time and since we just launched we don't have enough of a volume yet. 
That's very good news as this area of z-wave isn't well developed.
Keep in mind that deployment of this kind of sensors usually makes sense only on an entire house/apartment, which means to attract buyers they have to be affordable enough to be ordered in quantities 6-12.  Hawking's sensors may be good (or not), but at $40 per unit it's not more then a toy to get just one, for fun.
If you make that deal you could offer various packages of 1 - 4 - 8 - 12 - 16 sensors and price them accordingly.

We're already on track this week to sell hundreds of Vera systems during the beta period, but only 1 order so far for a motion detector, so it'll be a while before we can order the OEM versions.  The only off-the-shelf models we tested are the ACT and Intermatic, and only the ACT worked correctly.
Well, I think the reason for that is not lack of interest to motion detectors, but something more trivial.
First - you offered only ZIR010 which is European version, while North American is ZIR000; and second - you priced it 20% higher then automatedoutlet.com :-)

During the beta period we'll be monitoring people's wish lists to find the popular Z-Wave stuff the public wants supported and getting units in to be sure they work with Vera.  I'll add the Hawking door/window sensors to the list; we haven't tested them yet.  They probably work, and if you have one already paired to your system and are willing to turn on the remote access so I can peak at your system logs (or email me the logs if you're comfortable navigating a linux os), then I can see what vendor/model info the Hawking's are reporting, what command classes they're supporting, and be sure they're in our database, and then patch your Z-Wave database so they work.  Otherwise I'll post to this thread when we can get one in our own lab.
No, I don't have Hawking. I might get one in the future to play with, but as I mentioned above at its price it's not a serious option.


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Re: Intermatic CA9000 motion detector
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2008, 04:22:33 pm »
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you offered only ZIR010 which is European version, while North American is ZIR000; and second - you priced it 20% higher then automatedoutlet.com

Woops...  You're right.  We copied the specs & price from the Euro version.  Sorry.  I fixed that.  And, yes, we're shipping the U.S. version.

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Re: Intermatic CA9000 motion detector
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2008, 01:38:51 pm »
What about HomeSeer HSM100 Multi-sensor? Besides motion sensor it also has illumination and temperature sensors, but those two only work with HomeSeer automation system, AFAIK... Would be nice to get it supported.
Veras (1, 2, 3, Lite, Plus), lots of different Z-Wave modules, Luup plugins and theater/security integration.

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Re: Intermatic CA9000 motion detector
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2008, 01:12:13 am »
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What about HomeSeer HSM100 Multi-sensor?

We're getting one and will add support for it.

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Re: Intermatic CA9000 motion detector
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2008, 09:52:31 am »
Excellent! HSM100 is highly useful sensor.

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Re: Intermatic CA9000 motion detector
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2008, 12:00:54 pm »
Excellent! HSM100 is highly useful sensor.

I second that. I've had one sitting on my desk for almost a year without being able to use it since I don't have HS and was going to use it with another automation application (which so far hasn't got to adding support for it. Z-Wave != Z-Wave).

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Re: Intermatic CA9000 motion detector
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2008, 03:07:51 pm »
Here's HSM100 manufacturer link, just in case anyone wants to see specs or manual:
http://www.expresscontrols.com/zwaveproducts.htm#EZMotion

micasaverde, would you consider offering it in your online store?
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Re: Intermatic CA9000 motion detector
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2008, 11:31:26 pm »
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micasaverde, would you consider offering it in your online store?

We've already asked them, yes.

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Re: Intermatic CA9000 motion detector
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2008, 11:18:19 pm »
When are you planning to have HSM100 supported?

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Re: Intermatic CA9000 motion detector
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2008, 02:10:23 pm »
HomeSeer said they're sending us one.  I haven't received it yet, though.  Following up today.

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Re: Intermatic CA9000 motion detector
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2008, 07:44:55 pm »
Any updates? Thanks.
Veras (1, 2, 3, Lite, Plus), lots of different Z-Wave modules, Luup plugins and theater/security integration.