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Double J:
@ jirahhome:

I have not been able to play with UI5 yet. Although, I just received an email today about Vera3 and its UI5 and am going to jump on it for my upcoming displays.

My concern is as yours is...the clutter. I want only buttons, as a remote. I don't want a 'command successful' prompt that I need to clear when I activate a scene or switch. I currently have a touch screen in our dining room that runs proprietary for Vera. Every since my upgrade from UI2 to 4 no one in the house uses it anymore. I'm currently in the process of selling it on eBay and exploring the route as you.

My concern is also the cost involved with an Android tablet or iPad to use 3rd party interfaces. I know little about tablets, but the more I learn about the whole Android platform it seems as glitchy with compatability and updates as Windows carries..so you're stuck spending the cash on a decent tablet that stays ahead of Android's growth and 'stores.' Through the iPad, iTouch & iPhone I love Apple. They may be proprietary, but their apps work..always. Either way, though, you compromise the cost that Vera's advantage has simply for an interface. For the price of C4's base unit, you can have a healthy network with Vera.

I currently just landed exclusive sponsor for a 'man' event that a major radio company and an events promoter holds each year in my area. My business will host the 'lounge' area for Simona Fusco from the movie Beerfest, their headliner. As I will get to display a lot of my a/v setup, I want Vera to be the main attraction. It's an interactive event that I think will bring a lot of attention to Vera. Also, I want to incorporate it in the home shows I have coming up. I truly believe the Jetson's are near.

Although, I hate to rely on 3rd party vendors for a great affordable system. I am not familiar with UI5 yet, but I feel MCV is catering to the installer and tinkerer rather than your average Joe consumer. From what you're describing, it sounds like I'm stuck with HomeBuddy, iVera or SQ to sell this thing. I have too many customers that don't care how things work..they just want them to work. This leaves a pc out of my display and forced to use Apple and Android products. "Sorry customer, but I will have to double your cost so the whole family can enjoy it." It should have the appeal of no relation to a pc, but rather a product..a function..a remote..a button.

Maybe I'm on my own with this. A lot of people complain here and publicly that Vera is a confusing mess, but as 'tinkerers' we get it. Vera, when set up with practice and knowledge clearly works well and reliable. The interface on the other hand, in my opinion, is pretty straight forward: Turn stuff on. Turn stuff off. Do what you're meant to do. No one cares about the rest of it. MCV seemed to have a good grasp in IU2, but continually lost it since. I'm almost ready to convert back to IU2, but from MCV's responses on findvera server's instability they could care less.
 
I've been faithful in vision for 5 years..the product itself for over 3...I hope they pull through. Watching closely on all brick and mortar entities, now is the time. Automation is here and businesses are catching on.

@jirahhome: If you'd like to talk more I'd be more than happy to talk via text or phone. Please let me know.

jirahhome:

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@jirahhome: If you'd like to talk more I'd be more than happy to talk via text or phone. Please let me know.
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I would like to bounce a few ideas off each other, my email address is myhome@jirahhome.com
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intveltr:

--- Quote from: Double J on November 18, 2011, 02:38:13 am ---Maybe I'm on my own with this. A lot of people complain here and publicly that Vera is a confusing mess, but as 'tinkerers' we get it. Vera, when set up with practice and knowledge clearly works well and reliable. The interface on the other hand, in my opinion, is pretty straight forward: Turn stuff on. Turn stuff off. Do what you're meant to do. No one cares about the rest of it.
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You're not alone :)  For me, Z-wave is as much a hobby as it is a practical product.  I love to tinker with this stuff, but... once it works, I'll leave it alone, and I don't want to see all the details.

SQRemote comes close to a good, customisable UI (and come to think of it, an iPad or iPod Touch is a cost effective solution as a remote or wallpanel, compared to the cost of comparable proprietary products!), but it is a little bit buggy.  I'd love for Vera to natively offer a web-based, customizable "consumer" view of selected controls, in addition to the full overview we have now.  Make it skinnable, too... then we don't have to care what it looks like, we'll just change it in that case.  Outsource UI development to your customers, MCV :)

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