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Title: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Colin Burke McClure on April 16, 2014, 01:58:25 am
If you are an existing Vera owner and you?d like to participate in our Vera UI7 Beta Program we?re taking submissions, starting today.

As a member of the Vera Beta Program you?ll get a chance to test our next generation user interface in order to provide us with real-world quality and usability feedback.

Click the link below for more details.

https://www.facebook.com/veracontrol/posts/697846150254381
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: koburg on April 16, 2014, 04:56:51 am
Exiting news 😃
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: j.hoekstra on April 16, 2014, 06:24:37 am
Registered :)
Got some feature requests ready for you :) TBH you should visit this forum more often, people here have got quite a few ideas waiting to be implemented ;)
Good to see you seem to be connecting with your community again :)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Javelin on April 16, 2014, 06:28:36 am
Sweeet love seeing fresh coding!
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Javelin on April 16, 2014, 06:29:31 am
Registered :)
Got some feature requests ready for you :) TBH you should visit this forum more often, people here have got quite a few ideas waiting to be implemented ;)
Good to see you seem to be connecting with your community again :)

Couldnt be more true, these forums are a treasure chest of great ideas.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: almj on April 16, 2014, 09:38:10 am
Cant' wait to get it :)
Any idea when it will be distributed and what are the criteria of selecting testers?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: TC1 on April 16, 2014, 10:14:27 am
Registered :)
Got some feature requests ready for you :) TBH you should visit this forum more often, people here have got quite a few ideas waiting to be implemented ;)
Good to see you seem to be connecting with your community again :)

If you are familiar with typical industry practices, then you are out of luck. Public beta testing is usually used for QA testing before RTM (release to manufacturing). All they are going to do at this point is fix major bugs, no new features will be added unless it is determined that it would mitigate a major issue.

Just speaking from professional experience.

-TC
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: j.hoekstra on April 16, 2014, 10:43:21 am
Registered :)
Got some feature requests ready for you :) TBH you should visit this forum more often, people here have got quite a few ideas waiting to be implemented ;)
Good to see you seem to be connecting with your community again :)

If you are familiar with typical industry practices, then you are out of luck. Public beta testing is usually used for QA testing before RTM (release to manufacturing). All they are going to do at this point is fix major bugs, no new features will be added unless it is determined that it would mitigate a major issue.

Just speaking from professional experience.

-TC
I participated in several FUT's so experienced with the principle, however FR's done in this stage are very common to be added in R+1 or 2 depending on de the release frequency. Besides, it's always nice to get together with enthousiastic people to get new ideas and insights.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Da_JoJo on April 22, 2014, 11:56:39 am
the day for the new and (hopefully) exiting UI7 Beta has finally arrived. End of this week we have the oppurtunity to tell MCV (MiCasaVera?) what we think and the option to find all bugs before it comes out. I like this new strategy and it will sure be beneficial for both users and manufacturer of the vera domotica controller. I'm looking forward to test it. This thread would be a good place to use for thoughts and experiences with new UI7 beta. 
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: S-F on April 22, 2014, 01:01:44 pm
This thread would be a good place to use for thoughts and experiences with new UI7 beta.

Is this possible? Wasn't there mention of a NDA?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: jtmoore on April 22, 2014, 01:27:16 pm
Registration seems only to allow me to specify only one Vera serial number.  What if I have multiple Veras...?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Javelin on April 22, 2014, 09:21:11 pm
Is there a private place to discuss UI7 or are we aloud to do it here?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: SirMeili on April 22, 2014, 09:23:26 pm
Is there a private place to discuss UI7 or are we aloud to do it here?
Though I have no plans on joining the Beta unless I upgrade to a Vera3 and I can use my VeraLite as a test bed, I hope that they don't keep users "hush hush" about it. If it were Alpha, I could see needing an NDA, but a public beta like this should be open and allow everyone to see/hear what is in the new version.

That's my $.02 on the subject. I won't say another thing unless I get my Vera3 and opt into the beta.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: gijs on April 24, 2014, 08:11:15 am
I got an invitation for the ui7 beta program and even the conformation i am selected.  ;D So fingers crossed and lets see how many or little bugs there are in the new ui.
At the moment i am waiting for installation instructions from getvera.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: konradwalsh on April 24, 2014, 01:59:31 pm
I got an invitation. . There is not even the slightest mention of an NDA

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Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: konradwalsh on April 24, 2014, 02:00:42 pm
Said invite:



Welcome to the Vera UI7 Beta Program
View this email in your browser


Welcome to the Vera UI7 Beta Program

Dear Beta Participant,


We'd like to take the opportunity to thank you, Vera's most loyal supporters, for your continued commitment to our growth and success.

We've learned a lot from your candid feedback over the last 6 years. We've learned what you love, and also, what you hate. Your feedback has been both inspiring and humbling. As we move towards the release of our next generation user interface we look to continue this heritage of hands-on collaboration and honest dialog.

We have 2 separate tracts within the Beta Program, Standard and Advanced.

Standard tier is geared towards general end user feedback regarding features, functions, and usability. The Advanced tier is focused on developers/programmers and will require a deeper level of program participation (chronicling steps to replicate issues, detailed bug submission into Mantis, etc.).

If you are interested in participating at the Advanced level, please click here and update your profile.

Below are a few housekeeping items regarding the terms and conditions of the program (full details can be found here).

BETA DISCLAIMER
The beta software licensed hereunder is believed to contain defects and a primary purpose of this beta testing license is to obtain feedback on software performance and the identification of defects. Licensee is advised to safeguard important data, to use caution and not to rely in any way on the correct functioning or performance of the software and/or accompanying materials.

BETA-SOFTWARE PRODUCT SUPPORT
Vera is under no obligation to provide technical support under the terms of this license, and provides no assurance that any specific errors or discrepancies in the Software will be corrected.

Please, do not, install this beta on your primary controller if the above disclaimer and support disclosures do not meet your needs.

That said, welcome to the program! You?ll receive a follow up email this week with information on where to download the beta software packages, as well as submission guidelines.

Should you have any questions, comments, or concerns please email us at beta@getvera.com.

Thank you again for your personal commitment in helping us make UI7 our very best release yet.


Sincerely,

The Beta Team
Vera Control, Ltd. ▾ Smarter Home Control
www.getvera.com ▾ beta@getvera.com ▾ +1 (866) 966-2272
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You are receiving this email because you joined our UI7 Private Beta Program at http://www.getvera.com.

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Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Skaven on April 26, 2014, 03:24:40 pm
Haw anybody received the UI7 Beta file/link yet?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: j.hoekstra on April 26, 2014, 03:31:35 pm
Nope, still waiting ;)

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Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: betabob on April 26, 2014, 03:32:11 pm
Nope 😞


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Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: kelpayne on April 28, 2014, 01:02:07 pm
From today's e-mail:

"Dear Beta Participant,

Quick update on the status of the program: we're putting the final touches on the Beta 1 release as we speak. It?ll be available for download to the group on May 1st."

Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: konradwalsh on May 01, 2014, 09:36:47 am
So far they missed last nights promised update email and todays actual beta access...
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: destinet on May 01, 2014, 09:38:10 am
So far they missed last nights promised update email and todays actual beta access...

Are you really surprise?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: konradwalsh on May 01, 2014, 09:38:48 am
So far they missed last nights promised update email and todays actual beta access...

Are you really surprise?

Nope... just commenting... :)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Skaven on May 01, 2014, 09:41:16 am
The day micasaverde can release a update/beta the date the say, dat day I'm not going out because it is going to rain cats and dogs and the sky is falling down


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Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: TC1 on May 01, 2014, 10:56:03 am
The day micasaverde can release a update/beta the date the say, dat day I'm not going out because it is going to rain cats and dogs and the sky is falling down


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Seriously. I wonder if they actually believe their own propaganda or drink the kool-aid.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: kelpayne on May 01, 2014, 11:13:44 am
It could be due to departments not communicating properly (I've certainly seen that before).  It could also be that they thought it would be ready, but a problem popped up.  Then there might have been a quick discussion about releasing it as-is (after all, it's beta) and then releasing an update with the fix for the known problem vs. fixing something and releasing the better product a bit later.  Who knows?

What I do know is that this would be an excellent place to keep us up to date on what's going on.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: TC1 on May 01, 2014, 01:12:05 pm
It could be due to departments not communicating properly (I've certainly seen that before).  It could also be that they thought it would be ready, but a problem popped up.  Then there might have been a quick discussion about releasing it as-is (after all, it's beta) and then releasing an update with the fix for the known problem vs. fixing something and releasing the better product a bit later.  Who knows?

What I do know is that this would be an excellent place to keep us up to date on what's going on.

It's apparent to industry professionals like myself and others here, they don't follow any modern software/product development methodologies. For example, the Agile software development process dictates that you release product updates on a FIXED schedule.... the efficiency (or velocity in Agile terms) of the dev team will determine what/how many features make it into each release. The important point of Agile development is to continually release incremental improvements and new features to the customer, rather than making them wait months or years (Waterfall methodology) for new releases.

Agile also encourages continuous communication/feedback with the customer, both internal and external to the company. This helps guarantee that new product features are actually something useful, rather than what someone in marketing *thinks* the customers want.


Just my 2-cents.

-TC
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Crismaison on May 01, 2014, 03:30:18 pm
Not a confident start...
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: dawgbone on May 01, 2014, 04:38:06 pm
Perhaps Play Store and IOS App Store approvals are the hold up?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Crismaison on May 01, 2014, 04:39:07 pm
Doesnot matter, there should be communication.....
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: svaleb on May 01, 2014, 04:50:02 pm
I agre with chrismaison.
It would have been "nice" if they had sent a massage yesterday "Sorry we have been delayed for "x" days..."
Communication is a tough one for some.
CE
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: dawgbone on May 01, 2014, 10:05:08 pm
They did come through on the beta... Not exactly as purposed, but they did...
So far pretty good!!! Basic stuff seems to work, although I was confused on the Home Modes setup and ran the wizards several times before I finally figured out that you just need to click in each of the Home modes in the dashboard screen... Otherwise you cannot run any scene manually...

Android App crashes... Not sure how to duplicate yet as it seems random...(HTC One(M7) 4.4 KitKat)
IOS seems pretty stable so far...
Liking the authentication, and the ability to edit scenes from mobile apps(not supported yet)

The browser GUI is OK... allot of scrolling vs UI5, but better than UI6 though...

There seems to be a little issue with creating Users... as it will tell you that there is already an account.. But some persistence will finally net you a new user account eventually..<-- haven't nailed down a way to duplicate just yet....

Not sure on the scene creation just yet... Definitely dumbed down a bit(possibly easier?)... But seems to be pushing to making it easier for "packaged kits" versus existing setups(not so easy).

blah..blah...blah.... Just initial(an hour deep) thoughts....
Glad they came through... I'm very excited to see how it performs in the next couple of days(healing)....

Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: integlikewhoa on May 02, 2014, 12:36:55 am
They did come through on the beta... Not exactly as purposed, but they did...
So far pretty good!!! Basic stuff seems to work, although I was confused on the Home Modes setup and ran the wizards several times before I finally figured out that you just need to click in each of the Home modes in the dashboard screen... Otherwise you cannot run any scene manually...

Android App crashes... Not sure how to duplicate yet as it seems random...(HTC One(M7) 4.4 KitKat)
IOS seems pretty stable so far...
Liking the authentication, and the ability to edit scenes from mobile apps(not supported yet)

The browser GUI is OK... allot of scrolling vs UI5, but better than UI6 though...

There seems to be a little issue with creating Users... as it will tell you that there is already an account.. But some persistence will finally net you a new user account eventually..<-- haven't nailed down a way to duplicate just yet....

Not sure on the scene creation just yet... Definitely dumbed down a bit(possibly easier?)... But seems to be pushing to making it easier for "packaged kits" versus existing setups(not so easy).

blah..blah...blah.... Just initial(an hour deep) thoughts....
Glad they came through... I'm very excited to see how it performs in the next couple of days(healing)....

Thanks for the quick review, keep us updated. I don't dare to play with my Vera's at this point since they are in use. If I had a spare maybe.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Javelin on May 02, 2014, 03:57:07 am
Hmm you had better luck than me atm went to download the firmware url and nothing happening just hangs after download and the 15 minute firmware timer does not start. I'm upgrading from UI6. Had same trouble last time from UI5 to UI6. Cant remember what I did last time to get it to work. Scared to uplug for fear of bricking, will give it another half hour..  8)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: svaleb on May 02, 2014, 04:25:27 am
Yes, there it is...

As dawgbone says it looks better than ui6.
But the ui5 is easyer to overview...I miss the widgets.
Unfortunetly I am unable to use the setup wizard !!!
It only accepts 9 digits in the phone number, in my country there is only 8.
So I cannot validate my email.
Regards
        CE
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Da_JoJo on May 02, 2014, 08:11:11 am
well i installed the UI7 beta via the UI6 interface and must say it looks a lot better now..  i forgot to turn off the local security thingy in device setup but it still worked. so after making a new user login for the beta i tried to connect and it didn't work that great as i saw a page with only the word "save" and a link to advanced which gives some weird unfinished webpage stuff. i could login locally with the session key got from remote login from getvera.com login. i installed the UI7 beta in UI7 beta itself just to make sure things are upgraded and that worked ok.
note for those who install the UI7 beta :
on top it says device busy all the time and you can make a backup, do this. then after pressing upgrade firmware nothing changes and the timer does not run, it does however upgrade. look at the bleu led flashing rapidly and then going slower blinking. it starts vera again after some while and then when all leds are on you can go to the new beta login website and make a new user with the same name and pass as u had for UI6, so everything works as it did in UI6 and you dont have to change the logins and stuff.

like in UI6 i could not validate my phone.. only sends a sms with the words "Validation Code" .. mail validation works though.. it says page not found after putting the validation link but its working. after getting a lot of mail notification about some log thing i cant figure out, i reached quota.
 first thing missing is the on/off switches ??? ?   some plugins that seem to screw up the main interface : samsung remote, system info, wunder weather, system monitor.
using setup wizard it works but since i got allready devices configured i got stuck at that page and cannot complete wizard.
the 3G failover is enabled and cannot be disabled. cannot do manual z-wave heal as it does not respond to the button. had to reboot vera 2 times somehow it stopped responding to the webuserinterface which is userinterface crash and not a vera crash.
scene creation works ok but i cant find the advanced LUA input section. it also messed up 2 scenes which i had which uses triggers for battery empty status. fixed those and works ok now.
development Test and startup LUA do work though.
the android app doesnt connect local / link not doing anything. logging in and connect seems to work but ends up in a view of devices and then stops working with no reason, its not the plugins as i removed these from dashboard. using S3 with android 4.3 . authomation latest beta for ui6 does work on ui7 thank god ! its here http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,17457.0.html (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,17457.0.html)
some things look like the're not working on UI7 but are in systemsettings ok. secure unit seems off , it was on in UI6. remote_only is on, not found in UI7 interface. 3G wan failover says on in UI7 but is in fact off.
"remote_only": "1"
"terminal_disabled": "0"
"failsafe_tunnels": "0"
"3g_wan_failover": "0"
"secure_unit": "0"
"manual_version": "1"
"platform": "3Lite"
"full_platform": "rt3662_Luup_ui7"
"skin": "mios"
"language": "1"
"ui_language": "en"
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: destinet on May 02, 2014, 08:28:34 am
Doesnot matter, there should be communication.....

I agree....i love my vera, love the help from the support team. BUT followup on the forum is terrible
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: SirMeili on May 02, 2014, 08:33:50 am
I agree....i love my vera, love the help from the support team. BUT followup on the forum is terrible

They put out the notice about the Beta here, so perhaps in that regard I can understand wanting more contact on this very specific subject. However, the forum in general was set up a "users" forum and it was said from the beginning that Vera personnel would not be frequenting it very often and there was no guarantee they would at all.

Or at least that is how I understand it went down when the forums were created.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: betabob on May 02, 2014, 09:25:51 am
Ran the upgrade last night, all appeared well. Most if not all devices recognized, some of the battery ones waiting for a wakeup to be shown.  However, my pc rebooted last night and now I cannot connect. Just have the power light on the Vera three flashing green and then orange for a while and then a quick pulse of the other lights.....

What should I do now, it looks the units stuck in a load loop. Bricked maybe? I was running UI5 before the upgrade and did the bachup before I started, then did the backup suggested on the upgrade....

Oy!
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: hamishb on May 02, 2014, 09:52:38 am
OK I haven't gotten too far with configuring my Vera so I figured not much to lose by trying UI7.
Wondered if the scenes were as good as what PLEG offers and seems still not there yet.

So unless PLEG and other plugins are running and accessible via UI7 I would like to go back to UI5 or 6.

Not quite sure how to do that from UI7 even though I have downloaded the firmware e.g. rt3662_Luup_ui5-1.5.622-en-mios.squashfs
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: kelpayne on May 02, 2014, 12:11:07 pm
hamishb,
An email just went out with instructions regarding rolling back to UI6 or UI5.  Hopefully that'll help.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: kelpayne on May 02, 2014, 01:45:22 pm
Just an observation.

As others have noted, this version seems more geared toward the "new system package" user.  As such, the opening wizard confused me a bit, and made me think I might have to discover my devices, etc.  I did this with one lamp module, and once I made it through that process, I was able to see  that most if not all of my previous setup was already in place.

I would encourage the development team to alter the "welcome wizard" to include an up-front question asking if this is a brand new install, or an upgrade from a previous firmware/UI. 

(I'm starting to second-guess myself now, so If I missed something, let me know.  I'm wondering if I acted like it was new install because we were instructed to set up new accounts, etc.)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Da_JoJo on May 02, 2014, 02:31:01 pm
good point... a system variable telling us that the setup wizard has allready been done would be a good idea.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: RV on May 02, 2014, 05:23:13 pm
has anyone tried HomeWave with UI7 yet?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: BulldogLowell on May 02, 2014, 05:36:19 pm
has anyone tried HomeWave with UI7 yet?

funny you mention, I am waiting for someone to jump into UI7 and report their Homewave progress... only because of my concern of compatibility with HomeWave.

Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Da_JoJo on May 02, 2014, 07:39:22 pm
has anyone tried HomeWave with UI7 yet?
funny you mention, I am waiting for someone to jump into UI7 and report their Homewave progress... only because of my concern of compatibility with HomeWave.
well, if it works with UI6 it also does in UI7..
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: BulldogLowell on May 02, 2014, 08:01:26 pm
Are you using it then? 
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Da_JoJo on May 02, 2014, 08:07:15 pm
Are you using it then? 
no i use authomationhd 3.1 ... but if you look at the homewave section if it works for UI6 then it should work in UI7 too.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: BulldogLowell on May 02, 2014, 08:37:19 pm
Ok. Good.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: dawgbone on May 02, 2014, 10:47:51 pm
I've been compiling a list to give to MCV of little issues I've seen so far...
But I hope to nail down any ignorance on my part, and be able to reproduce my issues, before troubling them with it...

So after an overnight heal... and a manual heal...

Man is there allot of work ahead...

-Looks like their SQL server has cratered... I cannot make user specific settings(alerts, notifications..etc)
-I cannot get USB logging to function at all... It will not see my USB device(regardless of how it's formatted)(Vera 3)...I also have a Lite, but unable to test ATM..
-Any scenes that involve motion detection seem to be broke... Could actually be a bug within delays and/or being able to turn lights back off???
-No love on both the Aeon Labs 4-in-1(no surprise) and/or BRK/First Alert Smoke/CO2 detector...(REALLY guys)? <-- I also miss "Configure Node Now"... I've managed to make this happen, but there is little info as to if it's actually doing anything...
-Where do I insert LUA/LUUP for specific scenes now? I see some additional options under Dev Apps??? <--I did only apply for basic Beta?
-Thermostat(EvolVe) is off by 2 degrees F, This was true in UI6 as well.. I set the temp to 73F using the Web, IOS, and/or Android, the thermostat get's 75F.. I've tried removing from the network and re-adding... still the same..<--- This is not real-time data issue... I tell it to set to 75F, the device receives it as 77F<--- there is a problem there...
-I'm not so sure that the new scene creation process is any less complex...
-There seems to be some reminisce of old scenes from previous versions... IE, I delete an older scene... I can create a new one that does nothing but arm a motion sensor(solely)... and it somehow magically turns on a light that I had an action for in the old scene???<-- Never told it to turn that light on, nor gave it any association within the new UI...<-- possible problem with local settings? And given that the MIOS is broke as of this time?

Android app still crashes frequently(just a few clicks browsing the app)....
IOS App seems pretty stable... Even on IPad...<---LTE



Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: mitch.thompson on May 02, 2014, 11:34:46 pm
Took the plunge tonight...Most everything came back up, then the trouble started. First, I got stupid and added the app for Honeywell Vista alarm panel, which is wrong, I have a DSC.  Don't know why I did that. Anyway, I can't remove the app.  Actually, I can't remove any app. I went ahead and added a few more apps, but they aren't shown on the "My Apps" page. But they are installed, because I can see their LUUP files in Develop Apps.

A few other niggly things, but everything except my alarm panel are back (Yale lock, Kwikset lock, light switches, CT-100 thermostat, camera)

It's late.  I'll probably reset to factory in the morning (which I did when I did the upgrade) and start over.

Mitch
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Brientim on May 02, 2014, 11:46:53 pm
On of the errors that occurred during the UI4 to UI5 was a change to the App Store or market place and a number of apps numbers where reused which caused a later conflict. I hope the lesson learnt aren't forgotten.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: TC1 on May 03, 2014, 01:16:24 pm
Looks like we can kiss another deadline goodbye. They publicly stated UI7 released by 1st half of Q2 (May 15th). From the feedback here so far, end of Q2 is questionable also.

Same old MCV. They can change their name, but they can't change how they operate.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: dawgbone on May 03, 2014, 11:43:52 pm
I wouldn't be so negative with them... This is Beta...
From what little I know, they have made the most customized/future proof system/engine to date...

And having said that, it could be possible that they kind of got caught with their pants down, when this (ZWave/Zigbee/Smart Home) market got blown up with much competition... And not just normal competition, But with some pretty hefty corps...  :o

IMO, they still have the leg up on this... As it's low cost and no contracts being a great selling point...
They are piping Nat traversal through their servers at no cost to the users(other than buying their hardware)...<--at this day and age, we should be using IPv6 and/or hardware VPNs/firewalls....
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Da_JoJo on May 04, 2014, 01:06:53 pm
hmmm yeah same problem with scenes here. i got a scene that turns on a flashing light when battery power is low on battery-operated devices and it all of a sudden changed to motion detecting instead of battery below 5% detect.  android app is crashing as soon as i login and local connect pressing does nothing. no on/off switches in my UI7 to find.. the space for control of a device is empty. and i still have to login locally with my old login from UI5. so if u upgrade to UI7 make sure enhanced security is turned off before u do.
the old firmware was beta also but this is really more alpha if u ask me. IPv6 would be nice but a lot of routers and providers people have do not support this. free remote login and piping is a nice feature indeed but one has to pay for storing video/pics on their servers and this still doesnt work properly. as for deadlines... i don't see a final UI7 soon as there is a lot to do, but the idea is pretty good and i like the new style and option to make a custom interface for plugins and the use of jquery.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: freemann on May 05, 2014, 04:31:50 am
UI7 is almost unworkable....

No LUUP options, all temperatures are in F (i live in EU), light sensors report >100% (in 1 case >1000%), i can't work with scenes modes because i can't run the whole setup wizard, i can't change my location (daylight data is not OK), its not possible to remove apps, account and user info is not working, unit settings can't be saved, and MUCH MORE.....

I'm very curious to the development path and when the next beta or RC will be available.... For now i won't test anymore because my system is completely down.... :'( >:(
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: svaleb on May 05, 2014, 05:38:51 am
Hi Freemann
Same situation here.
I cannot log in (addres not valid..)
No user information...
Can no longer acces the vizard
I could finish the "vizard" the first time I saw it.
It would not accept my phone number (in my country we have 8 digits, vera requiers 9)
I cannot change anything
And so on...
It is a mess right now.
Hope they will look into it soon.
Regards
            CE
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Skaven on May 05, 2014, 07:02:23 am
Don't it work on this beta to make vera 3 a slave? I can't find the settings to setup my vera 3 to be a slave


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Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Da_JoJo on May 05, 2014, 07:41:00 am
you can uninstall apps by pressing details and right top there is a uninstall button.
repair individual node in z-wave settings repair is not working and repairs all.
no remote control from outside coz UI7 uses different auth server addresses.
battery operated devices run out of batterypower in 1/3 of the time it took with UI5.
login and userinfo works but you have to make a new account here : http://getvera.stg.mios.com (http://getvera.stg.mios.com)  can set info after in http://<vera-ip>/cmh/#accountInfo (also pointed out in the mail got from betateam) .. unit settings can only be changed after u have a valid login and are logged in.
if u happen to have old UI5 enhanced security ON then you should have turned it off before upgrading to UI6/7 or you have to close browser and re-connect to local vera-ip and login with old login u had for UI5. if after making a new UI7 account you cannot login to local vera then you have to wait 24 hrs to be able to login again.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Da_JoJo on May 05, 2014, 07:47:00 am
Don't it work on this beta to make vera 3 a slave? I can't find the settings to setup my vera 3 to be a slave
http://<vera-ip>/cmh/#zwaveSettings  in advanced section u can Copy Z-Wave network from a master controller and Get network update from SUC/SIS
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: freemann on May 05, 2014, 01:19:39 pm
you can uninstall apps by pressing details and right top there is a uninstall button.
I installed "day or night" and tried to uninstall it and get;
Error uninstalling app, please try again
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repair individual node in z-wave settings repair is not working and repairs all.
no remote control from outside coz UI7 uses different auth server addresses.
battery operated devices run out of batterypower in 1/3 of the time it took with UI5.
login and userinfo works but you have to make a new account here : http://getvera.stg.mios.com (http://getvera.stg.mios.com)  can set info after in http://<vera-ip>/cmh/#accountInfo (also pointed out in the mail got from betateam) .. unit settings can only be changed after u have a valid login and are logged in.
I do have a beta account and an valid login, but i can't save unit settings. I want my unit to run in 24hr time notation and when i save this settings i get;
Failed to save system configuration.

Same thing with Weather settings. I live in The Netherlands and thats not in the list. Default there is no city and when i hit save a get;
error
Please add a city name in the box.

I need to give a city name, so when i try a city and hit save;
Failed to save system configuration.

same thing for Celsius/Fahrenheit...
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if u happen to have old UI5 enhanced security ON then you should have turned it off before upgrading to UI6/7 or you have to close browser and re-connect to local vera-ip and login with old login u had for UI5. if after making a new UI7 account you cannot login to local vera then you have to wait 24 hrs to be able to login again.
This evening i go back to UI5 and only want to try UI7 again if i see/get a good release note which confirms that the major issues/bug/shortcomings are fixed.

 
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: j.hoekstra on May 05, 2014, 01:25:20 pm
Weird, I'm not seeing these issues so bad, when I go to the settings I don't see the correct country even though it's set properly on top of the main screen.
There's still a lot to be done though, but I like the new scene creator, seems more intuitive.

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Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: FrancoisL on May 05, 2014, 05:54:12 pm
Upgrade went smoothly.  After a few simple updates (time format, weather city update), I received a "Failed to save system configuration" and now my VeraLite is stuck with a "Luup engine is taking longer to reload. Try again". 
Update: I disabled the scene via SSH to avoid the crash.

Where can I get some additional logs ?
Update: via ssh or via http://<Vera-IP>/cgi-bin/cmh/log.sh?Device=LuaUPnP

I'm receiving a few email notifications (e.g. You have received an alert: "No%20reboot:CheckLUDiff:%202778%20Now:1399327132"; You have received an alert: "Paid%20Tunnels%20Died"; )
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: svaleb on May 06, 2014, 07:21:32 am
And I get
"Tunnel%20broken".
and
"Paid%20Tunnels%20Died".
I still cant get my phonenumber in it wont accept 8 digits only.
CE

Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: FrancoisL on May 08, 2014, 01:24:39 pm
Hello,

What is the URL of the Mantis bug tracker for the UI7 beta testers ?
Are the luup scripts not being supported yet?  I can not see the scripts related to an old scene in this new UI7 interface.

Thanks in advance,
Francois
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: mitch.thompson on May 09, 2014, 07:10:30 am
Doesn't seem to be too much discussion /interaction about the beta, unless there's a private discussion area somewhere. This is totally like any other beta tester program I've ever been involved with.

I liked the layout of UI7, but there was too much functionality missing. So, I've gone back to UI5, for now.



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Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: freemann on May 09, 2014, 07:13:52 am
I also noticed that.... Its very disappointing to see that MCV/GetVera doesn't reply in this thread or give us a status update about the developement.

I had UI7 for about half a day on my Vera3 and switched back to UI5.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: knewmania on May 09, 2014, 09:14:15 am
I would be interested in knowing if the method of uploading log files to MCV has been changed based on past feedback:

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,22602.msg151616.html#msg151616

http://bugs.micasaverde.com/view.php?id=3808
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: kelpayne on May 09, 2014, 03:22:39 pm
I'm not sure specifically about the bug-tracker, but there's a persistent "Provide  Feedback" link on the bottom-right of every page in the GUI.  That's how I've been reporting issues.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: dbmet on May 09, 2014, 04:11:37 pm
Other Betas I've been involved seem to work. This one seems more like an alpha alpha which doesnt make me want to install it.


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Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: dawgbone on May 10, 2014, 12:21:06 am
I'm not sure specifically about the bug-tracker, but there's a persistent "Provide  Feedback" link on the bottom-right of every page in the GUI.  That's how I've been reporting issues.

I tried to send one in, and got absolutely zero response. Perhaps it in itself is not working?
Although I did somehow get some of my motion detectors to start working and trigger scenes again, it seems slow(possible debugging)...
The Aeon Labs motion detection is still a bust...(is now broke completely in UI7) and would work reasonably in UI5/6...
As such, so is the First Alert CO2/Smoke Detector...
The "beta" IOS app is completely broke and no longer works..<-- it did work before their server went down during the weekend prior to release... Luckily, the Android app still functions...
By involving myself in this Beta, I was hoping to try out the new features, specifically the GeoFencing I heard so much about, and possibly a Zigbee bridge...
But neither are there... I'm also interested in what's going to happen with ZW500...

This does seem to be very Alpha code...
I understand the need for a streamlined interface... But all the good stuff has seemed to be stripped out...
And why I cannot give much feedback... I'm still trying to get existing stuff working...  Perhaps they should have stuck with the UI5 engine, and just candied up a GUI to run on top... like UI6? Or similar to PLEG...
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: lolodomo on May 10, 2014, 04:57:31 am
In my opinion, the absolute priority for Micasaverde should be solving the current problem with memory leak causing a reload of our Vera almost everyday with UI5. Is it something that has been fixed with the new firmware (UI7) ?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: mitch.thompson on May 10, 2014, 10:51:58 am
In my opinion, the absolute priority for Micasaverde should be solving the current problem with memory leak causing a reload of our Vera almost everyday with UI5. Is it something that has been fixed with the new firmware (UI7) ?

I have not noticed any reboots on UI5 here, but I agree if it is a problem plaguing the device it should be a priority.

The new interface is pretty, but if the foundation is still shaky, then there isn't any point.

I also sent feedback using the feedback buttons at the bottom right of each page, but no feedback on my feedback from them. This, to me, is crucial in any beta program. Let me know I'm not wasting my time.

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Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: koburg on May 12, 2014, 04:18:09 am
anybody who have a philio tech pan04 relay switch in there ui7 beta like i do?

i have just installede and it includeds fine but it is dead/droped out. (the status say this in the ui)

so if any have this device working I would like to know how.

http://philio-tech.com/p_switch.htm   (the first one on the page.)

i have mios update util installed
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Skaven on May 15, 2014, 09:31:49 am
I'm the only 1 so can't turn off wifi of vera3?


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Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: dawgbone on May 16, 2014, 02:48:22 pm
I had a problem being able to turn off wifi and configuring a static IP when I went to UI6... I had to get support to help out.
They said there was a healthy chunk of code missing, and got me fixed up within a day.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Javelin on May 18, 2014, 07:27:56 am
I found the interface a step in the right direction but very incomplete.

Also the ability not to advanced edit scenes and poor automation options was a no deal so reverted to UI6 that lets me hit the advanced settings button to setup better scenes.

I guess atleast the zwave responsiveness feels better on UI6 so was a step forward there.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: freemann on May 26, 2014, 08:40:22 am
This Beta looks like one big joke.... almost 4 weeks after the release with no feedback/update/release of what so ever from mcv/getvera.....

Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: FrancoisL on May 26, 2014, 12:35:00 pm
I was going to wait until the one month anniversary of this beta before writing the same.

Not respecting people/customers giving their free time to contribute to a more mature product is not acceptable.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: TC1 on May 26, 2014, 02:46:05 pm
Yet... the product manager finds time all day to post articles that have nothing to do with the Vera on their FaceBook page.

Unfortunately, it's business as usual for MCV, get use to it.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: freemann on May 27, 2014, 02:20:39 am
I was looking for energy logging tooling, ended by Ergy Premium and when i want to purchase it i got the following message:
Quote
Products Page

As you may know, Micasaverde (now Vera Control) is undergoing significant upgrades in order to provide you with a better overall product. Unfortunately, during this period, the ERGY energy application is not fully operational. You will not be able to purchase premium services until the upgrade process is complete.

Thank you for your patience as we continue to work to bring you a superior energy application. For more information visit www.getvera.com or email info@getvera.com.

If you?d like to receive an alert when the application is ready, please enter your email address below.

 :-X :-X :-X

Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: freemann on May 29, 2014, 05:32:21 am
I'm REALLY disappointed in the way MCV treats there customers, so yesterday i pledged the kickstarter project Homey (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/athom/homey-the-living-room-talk-to-your-home).

hopefully they make their promises and i have the Homey April 2015 so i can kick the Vera3 out of my house after using it for about 10 months....
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: koburg on May 29, 2014, 08:31:15 am
Right now they are Way behind the two new US firms. In app features. The only thing they at the moment is better at, is they support more devices. But they really have to step up to keep up with the competitors.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: dawgbone on May 29, 2014, 11:24:14 pm
I gave up today... Lack of support or any feedback/updates what-so-ever just turned me off.
Time to move on with life...
There was far too much missing in this beta as well.... like associations/grouping, scene specific luup, third party integration... Not to mention additional hardware support.

I also think they are headed in the wrong direction with this whole "packaged" idea... Vera was great because it was so flexible. But now it's looking like they have their tail between their legs, as they don't want to support anything that is not in their "packaged" deal...

Either way... It's hard to watch a product that was on top, just get pissed away...

Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Tank on May 30, 2014, 01:40:21 pm
I gave up today... Lack of support or any feedback/updates what-so-ever just turned me off.
Time to move on with life...
There was far too much missing in this beta as well.... like associations/grouping, scene specific luup, third party integration... Not to mention additional hardware support.

I also think they are headed in the wrong direction with this whole "packaged" idea... Vera was great because it was so flexible. But now it's looking like they have their tail between their legs, as they don't want to support anything that is not in their "packaged" deal...

Either way... It's hard to watch a product that was on top, just get pissed away...

I think we should be careful about being so negative.  This is the very first beta for UI7, they were very clear about this firmware not being ready for production use (read the emails that you  got after signing up).  We've had two major firmware releases from MCV this year, lets cut them some slack and hold off judgment until they release the final product. 
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: AndreasE on May 30, 2014, 02:08:31 pm
I think we should be careful about being so negative.  This is the very first beta for UI7, they were very clear about this firmware not being ready for production use (read the emails that you  got after signing up).  We've had two major firmware releases from MCV this year, lets cut them some slack and hold off judgment until they release the final product.

It has been over a year since they released version 1.5.622 which was a substandard thing that I would expect to find in a trial version of a demo product, not in a commercial product. I'm running this version and it lacks the most basic features you would expect from a system. Remember, it is 2014. Version 1.0.283 was released in 2008.

Question: What the h*ll have they been doing all this time?

Quote
"Bottom line is we care about our customers.  We don't want you guys to be in the dark.  Like any company making a big migration like this, there's a lot of technical challenges and everybody on the team is working 7 days a week to get them resolved as quickly as possible."

Yeah, right.

Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: integlikewhoa on May 30, 2014, 03:22:04 pm
Remember, it is 2014. Version 1.0.283 was released in 2008.
Question: What the h*ll have they been doing all this time?
Quote

If it's 2014 and you feel you should be able to fly you car to work,  but your current car don't fly. Then who's to blame? Either find a company that has a flying car and go buy it, or enjoy what you have.

We will always want more, but one is holding you to your 175.00 VeraLite. I have way more money in switches and other devices that the VERA is the cheapest part of my system. My cell phone cost more and has a monthly bill. VERA is a one time cost and I use their servers everyday for free.

Bottom line if there is something you think is better then move to it. If it don't exist then it make no sense to say one company sucks when no company produces what you expect.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: AndreasE on May 30, 2014, 03:55:41 pm
If it's 2014 and you feel you should be able to fly you car to work,  but your current car don't fly. Then who's to blame? Either find a company that has a flying car and go buy it, or enjoy what you have.

I would rather put it something like this: If it's 2014 and you expect your new computer to have a color screen and a wifi unit, you are probably expecting the right things. If it doesn't, you would be frustrated and angry because you expect a certain standard at a certain time.

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If it don't exist then it make no sense to say one company sucks when no company produces what you expect.

It does make sense to say that a company's product sucks. This forum is public. The company will mind. And it should. You know why? Because I'm not the only one that thinks the UI is bad:

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,16777.msg134227.html#msg134227

Quote
Earlier this year we landed some major brick & mortar retail stores, but they insisted we had to give them a new, pretty, polished UI.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: dawgbone on May 30, 2014, 11:07:32 pm
I gave up today... Lack of support or any feedback/updates what-so-ever just turned me off.
Time to move on with life...
There was far too much missing in this beta as well.... like associations/grouping, scene specific luup, third party integration... Not to mention additional hardware support.

I also think they are headed in the wrong direction with this whole "packaged" idea... Vera was great because it was so flexible. But now it's looking like they have their tail between their legs, as they don't want to support anything that is not in their "packaged" deal...

Either way... It's hard to watch a product that was on top, just get pissed away...

I think we should be careful about being so negative.  This is the very first beta for UI7, they were very clear about this firmware not being ready for production use (read the emails that you  got after signing up).  We've had two major firmware releases from MCV this year, lets cut them some slack and hold off judgment until they release the final product.

Not negative, but honest. I even gave them props as to why they are/were more/less the leaders/founding backbone of home automation. <-- at least in which consumers could install(DIY) and not be multi-millionaires...

My point, is that I'm not seeing a solid future in them. And like mentioned, it may be time to move on as things appear to be getting worse. Just try to add a device in UI7, and you will quickly see that they are trying to move away from an opened mind-set, and into partnered relationships so that they can sell "packages"... In which, in my head, is that they are trying to drop support for products that they aren't partnered with...<-- which means, you're on your own...

I joined the Beta as I'm constantly adding devices and trying new stuff...  I have yet to get any kind of recognition from any of my feedback, nor has the code changed.
The Beta IOS app has never worked, and they still have yet to update it.  I even submitted typos... No feedback what-so-ever...

IMO, they should stick with UI5... Somehow integrate the new authentication... But should focus their goals to simplify things by creating "wizards"...

If they need/want an example, they should go buy a SonicWall VPN... like a TZ or NSA.... While you have power to do anything you need, at the right hand corner is a wizard menu... In which does a step by step walk through, that does the right things...

All in my own honest opinion of course...:)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: integlikewhoa on May 31, 2014, 01:34:29 am
If it's 2014 and you feel you should be able to fly you car to work,  but your current car don't fly. Then who's to blame? Either find a company that has a flying car and go buy it, or enjoy what you have.

I would rather put it something like this: If it's 2014 and you expect your new computer to have a color screen and a wifi unit, you are probably expecting the right things. If it doesn't, you would be frustrated and angry because you expect a certain standard at a certain time.
Quote

That would be very different as you literately have 100's of computer manufacturers all with color screens and wifi in them. If you buy one without color your the only one to blame! You bought it when its not what you wanted and 100's of others offer what you want. And you only expect it because every other manufacturer has it (which I don't think is the case with VERA)

If you feel the same about VERA then get another home automation system that fits your needs (if you feel one exists).
At this point I don't think its like wifi and color monitor where we have 100's of better options out there. I don't think there currently is:
1) any comparable options in its price range
2) any with as much support (not just from micasaverde but the forums as probably 95% of everyone's answers come from here)
3) any with a wider range of devices (there is plugins and apps for almost everything)
4) any with a bigger customer/user base (every device I buy online reviews all come from Vera users)
 
Shame on you for
1) not making Vera Better
2) more importantly not moving to a device that fits your needs better (assuming you think it exists)

And if you agree that there is not currently a better device to move to..... Well then we back to wishing that cars all flew and not that we have a color screen.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: AndreasE on May 31, 2014, 03:13:22 am
That would be very different as you literately have 100's of computer manufacturers all with color screens and wifi in them. If you buy one without color your the only one to blame! You bought it when its not what you wanted and 100's of others offer what you want. And you only expect it because every other manufacturer has it (which I don't think is the case with VERA)

Judging from Vera Control's home page and their Facebook, I would expect Vera not only to be a flying car, I would expect it to be a space shuttle. But it turns out the Vera is a car without speed meter, heating, air condition, windscreen wipers, gear stick, gas pedal and seats. The motor is maybe the best on the market, I don't know, because I can't really start the car. It may come as a surprise to you, but you don't know a product until you have used it. 

If you feel the same about VERA then get another home automation system that fits your needs (if you feel one exists).
At this point I don't think its like wifi and color monitor where we have 100's of better options out there. I don't think there currently is:
1) any comparable options in its price range
2) any with as much support (not just from micasaverde but the forums as probably 95% of everyone's answers come from here)
3) any with a wider range of devices (there is plugins and apps for almost everything)
4) any with a bigger customer/user base (every device I buy online reviews all come from Vera users)

Still, the Vera UI sucks. Other home automation systems might be better, or not. That doesn't change the fact that I and others feel the UI is crap. I'll give you that the plugin feature is a great idea, albeit spoiled by the overly complicated handling of some of them.

Shame on you for
1) not making Vera Better

But I am. By complaining. Complaints do matter. You may see me as annoying whiner, but I am an average user that thinks like other average users.

2) more importantly not moving to a device that fits your needs better (assuming you think it exists)

I bought Vera, not some other system. Do you seriously think that a user investing money in any system of any kind just would move on to investing money in another system? That's not how people work. People that buy a substandard product do complain.

And if you agree that there is not currently a better device to move to..... Well then we back to wishing that cars all flew and not that we have a color screen.

We're back to the fact that in 2014 you would expect your new car to have speed meter, heating, air condition, windscreen wipers, gear stick, gas pedal and seats. I would even go with a car without heating and air condition.

Luckily, I'm not the only one complaining or even thinking that the UI is substandard.

Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: integlikewhoa on May 31, 2014, 11:13:47 am
Luckily, I'm not the only one complaining or even thinking that the UI is substandard.

Well thank god for that. Hope your wining on a board that is not monitored by Micasaverde fixes all your problems.

I like the people that think buying the product and complaining about it is the solution to fix your problems. I'll just stand here an yell and someone will come fix it for me. It really just distracts the people who are working.

Micasaverde doesn't make any more money off you today, tomorrow, next week as it was a one time purchase. Complaining to a board of users is the same thing. Your better off running down your street and telling everyone that the UI sucks (but you still use it) and not to buy their product. You'll be just slightly more productive.

I personally would focus my efforts on fixing it or detailing what needs to be fixed and how it should be fixed. Posting it "Sucks" of its to basic.

99% of the time except for initial setup your not using the UI anyways. Your using an APP from your phone or tablet. A Polished UI is not high a heavy users list of accomplishments simply because it's not seen on a day to day.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: BlackNTan on June 02, 2014, 03:19:01 pm
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A Polished UI is not high a heavy users list of accomplishments simply because it's not seen on a day to day.

This is kind of a moot point.  You're right, it doesn't need "bling" blinking lights on and off, or a fantastical animated 3d UI.  However, it needs to be workable and allow you to create scenes easily,  quickly, and intuitively.  I've worked with this thing for a little while now and it consistently is upsetting when I run into roadblocks with just a simple AND and OR conditions.  Vera only does AND for some reason.  Look, there's a reason PLEG is so popular.  They need to look into WHY everyone is turning to PLEG for scenes and fix the UI accordingly.  I am a developer by trade, but would rather not have to turn to LUA in every scene I create. 

A simple scene to me would be not the  -- "if I see motion, turn on a light", but more like "If it's dark outside (Lux < 100) and motion is detected, turn on the light to 50% unless it's after 10pm where I only want the light to come on at 5%.  If the user turns off the switch while motion is still detected, disable the motion detector for 3 hours.  If they user changes the brightness level while motion is detected, leave the light on indefinitely.  I want to be able to do this all in one scene, which I can via LUA/LUUP.  I get it, Vera needs to provide a simple UI that anyone can understand "if I see motion, turn on a light", but we also need to be able to turn on an advanced mode which a power user can utilize to really make things fantastic and finally have a "smart" home.  Until then, users are still going to be turning to PLEG and calling the UI crap.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: integlikewhoa on June 02, 2014, 07:22:11 pm
Quote
A Polished UI is not high a heavy users list of accomplishments simply because it's not seen on a day to day.

This is kind of a moot point.  You're right, it doesn't need "bling" blinking lights on and off, or a fantastical animated 3d UI.  However, it needs to be workable and allow you to create scenes easily,  quickly, and intuitively.  I've worked with this thing for a little while now and it consistently is upsetting when I run into roadblocks with just a simple AND and OR conditions.  Vera only does AND for some reason.  Look, there's a reason PLEG is so popular.  They need to look into WHY everyone is turning to PLEG for scenes and fix the UI accordingly.  I am a developer by trade, but would rather not have to turn to LUA in every scene I create. 

A simple scene to me would be not the  -- "if I see motion, turn on a light", but more like "If it's dark outside (Lux < 100) and motion is detected, turn on the light to 50% unless it's after 10pm where I only want the light to come on at 5%.  If the user turns off the switch while motion is still detected, disable the motion detector for 3 hours.  If they user changes the brightness level while motion is detected, leave the light on indefinitely.  I want to be able to do this all in one scene, which I can via LUA/LUUP.  I get it, Vera needs to provide a simple UI that anyone can understand "if I see motion, turn on a light", but we also need to be able to turn on an advanced mode which a power user can utilize to really make things fantastic and finally have a "smart" home.  Until then, users are still going to be turning to PLEG and calling the UI crap.

I guess I don't see the problem because I use PLEG. PLEG was not created by Micasaverde but its there for us to use and it gets the job done very well, but PLEG is complicated to most.

The situations you and I both use require LUA and PLEG because for those are complicated conditions. To think that Micasaverde are going to make 1 click buttons that magically make custom complicated conditions to fit everyones personal needs is not going to happen. Like I said even PLEG scares people away. You can create some really complex ideas that require alot of thought and testing just to get to run within all the conditions you want and not during times you don't.

This is where I think Micasaverde is drawing the line. They made a simple scene and gave you the basics. But myself and others want more. The people want it to be an easy few click deal, which is going to be near impossible for teh complex ideas people have now and will come up with.

Everyone wants a full size mansion but the average non-contractor Joe can only build a bird house on his own. And even then some times ends up with "extra parts"

Some DIY'ers can remodel their own house but not start from scratch.

Then you have the contractors that can build their own without even a slab.
 
Then the professionals with the same starting platform will make it look easy and get further along while the adv. Joe will struggle cus complain that it takes to long and is to hard and will still never end up building as big.   

160.00 VeraLite  can always be better and will slowly get a little bit better. But to assume the Adv. joe can do anything in with a few clicks of predetermined buttons all shown on 1 page manual is not expected by me. And I don't see this on any other home automation system either. You get closed system like Lowes IRIS for the same price and pay a monthly fee and tell them you bought a "Mimolite" or the like. Their answer we don't support it yet check back later end of conversation. Atleast we have PLEG, LUA and apps to make Plugins ourselfs.   
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: mios.cliff on June 03, 2014, 02:31:03 am
Hi Vera Beta Testers:
My name is Cliff and I work primarily with Vera's web site and social media content, but just wanted to pop in here briefly and assure everyone that we are very interested in your comments, and that we really appreciate your help getting UI7's kinks worked out! Of course the features of UI7 are set at this point, but that's not to say your comments about future improvements are not taken seriously. We also appreciate your understanding of the tradeoffs between creating a product that's useful for our advanced users, versus a mass-market product that can introduce newcomers to the wonders of home control. It is a balancing act!

Also, we want to remind everyone that the beta release of UI7 at this point is still intended for your EXPERIMENTATION, and should not be installed in your "main" system. We know of at least one person who made this mistake, and don't want it to happen to anyone else. If you don't have an extra "spare" Veralite or Vera3 Controller to experiment with, please wait for the public release version of UI7, which will be available at the end of June.

Thank you for your help and patience!
-Cliff Roth
Vera Social Marketing Manager
cliff@getvera.com
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: integlikewhoa on June 03, 2014, 03:41:40 am
Hi Vera Beta Testers:
My name is Cliff and I work primarily with Vera's web site and social media content, but just wanted to pop in here briefly and assure everyone that we are very interested in your comments, and that we really appreciate your help getting UI7's kinks worked out! Of course the features of UI7 are set at this point, but that's not to say your comments about future improvements are not taken seriously. We also appreciate your understanding of the tradeoffs between creating a product that's useful for our advanced users, versus a mass-market product that can introduce newcomers to the wonders of home control. It is a balancing act!

Also, we want to remind everyone that the beta release of UI7 at this point is still intended for your EXPERIMENTATION, and should not be installed in your "main" system. We know of at least one person who made this mistake, and don't want it to happen to anyone else. If you don't have an extra "spare" Veralite or Vera3 Controller to experiment with, please wait for the public release version of UI7, which will be available at the end of June.

Thank you for your help and patience!
-Cliff Roth
Vera Social Marketing Manager
cliff@getvera.com

Thanks for taking the time to pop in and say hi. We do appreciate whats going into the product and hope you continue to improve in a timely manner.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: kelpayne on June 03, 2014, 10:47:41 am
Interesting.  If the public release version of UI7 will actually be available at the end of June, I would have expected a few point releases to the beta to evaluate all the fixes along the way.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: CMRancho on June 03, 2014, 12:20:35 pm
Interesting.  If the public release version of UI7 will actually be available at the end of June, I would have expected a few point releases to the beta to evaluate all the fixes along the way.
Oh, you probably thought he meant June 2014. That's an understandable mistake.  ;)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: kelpayne on June 03, 2014, 02:19:22 pm
Point taken.   ;)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: lolodomo on June 03, 2014, 04:04:46 pm
Now that the public release date is approaching, I have 2 fundamental questions:

Is lua code still possible in scenes with UI7 ?

Is it still possible in UI7 to install plugins (developped in lua) ?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: integlikewhoa on June 03, 2014, 06:21:36 pm
Oh, you probably thought he meant June 2014. That's an understandable mistake.  ;)

Ahahaha ;D
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: SirMeili on June 03, 2014, 07:44:27 pm
Is it still possible in UI7 to install plugins (developped in lua) ?

Forgive my ignorance, but are you saying that you can't install any plugins now? I know some of them work in UI6, but is there none working in UI7 or is it just there is no way to "install" them (no app store)?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: gengen on June 04, 2014, 01:01:52 am
I've been working with UI7 and have already filed several bug reports and have received a response that my feedback "has not gone unnoticed."

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Is lua code still possible in scenes with UI7 ?
There is no Lua scene capability in the current UI7 beta firmware! See my response below.

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Is it still possible in UI7 to install plugins (developped in lua) ?
In the current beta firmware, Lua plug-ins can still be used although some of the documented JavaScript API's have some serious bugs.

This said, here is an abridged version of a letter which I sent to them dealing with high-level UI7 issues.

I have spent a significant amount of time porting my plug-ins and filing bugs that I found along the way. I would like to use this email to discuss higher level issues which Vera Control Ltd. really needs to address.

Thanks for listening

Gengen
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Gklmdawson on June 04, 2014, 05:05:06 am
I also noticed there was no way to change the current mode in a scene. Maybe I missed it but I really liked the idea of switching to home mode when I unlock my door.

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Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: lionelandjen on June 04, 2014, 12:25:52 pm
I, for one, am very, very much looking forward to UI7.

I'm a sys admin, so I want to think that I could learn lua if I wanted to.  but I already work 50+ hours/week, and with a family, to boot, I just don't have the time to tackle this.

all I want is something that JUST WORKS and is easy to configure because I just don't have the time to go behind the scenes and dink around with a new programming language. the few screenshots I saw of the IU7 prototype looks like just what the doctor ordered.

and now that AAPL has come out with their own take on home automation, I'm certainly hoping Vera beats them to the punch and launches a UI7 that does everything AAPL is thinking of, only on multiple platforms, including through a browser.

Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: SirMeili on June 05, 2014, 10:32:59 am
I, for one, am very, very much looking forward to UI7.

I'm a sys admin, so I want to think that I could learn lua if I wanted to.  but I already work 50+ hours/week, and with a family, to boot, I just don't have the time to tackle this.

all I want is something that JUST WORKS and is easy to configure because I just don't have the time to go behind the scenes and dink around with a new programming language. the few screenshots I saw of the IU7 prototype looks like just what the doctor ordered.

and now that AAPL has come out with their own take on home automation, I'm certainly hoping Vera beats them to the punch and launches a UI7 that does everything AAPL is thinking of, only on multiple platforms, including through a browser.

The problem with this is that there are just things that a UI would not be able to due without a significant amount of work from MCV. I'm not saying it can't be done, but I don't think it will be in UI7. I've also not heard anyone say that scenes can use a logical AND, which makes doing some scenes very hard (Turn on foyer lights when the front door is unlocked AND it is night). right now it will trigger on either (Logical OR). There were ways around this which included using LUA.

I believe there are also some advanced things you can do with devices that use LUA. I personally don't know LUA that well (it's not terribly that hard of a language though... then again I'm a programmer). I depend on PLEG, but even PLEG can be a time sink in order to get advanced stuff. Ultimately I think to get any kind of advanced "automation" (not just "control"), you will have to put a hefty amount of work into the setup on the front end.

I'm also not so sure I agree with Apple's approach (as I've voiced elsewhere). They seem to currently be more interested in Home Control than Home Automation.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on June 05, 2014, 11:03:57 am
@gengen
   I concur with all of your comments (and basically these were also in my email to MCV)
   
Another major problem area is the APP store ... they present all of the UI5 apps there ... as if they will work.
Actually, all of the UI6 plugins that I upgraded to UI7 are still running (LuaUPNP seems to be compatibile) ... but there is no way not configure/control any of these.
Wait till some new hardware comes out ... it requires UI7 ... they install a plugin ... and find out it does not work ... and the recommendation on the forums is to revert/move up to UI5! In UI6 I at least had the Advanced (UI5) mode.


Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: lionelandjen on June 05, 2014, 03:59:52 pm
... I've also not heard anyone say that scenes can use a logical AND, which makes doing some scenes very hard (Turn on foyer lights when the front door is unlocked AND it is night). right now it will trigger on either (Logical OR). There were ways around this which included using LUA.

that would be a problem and in my opinion a massive omission of functionality.  I'm not a programmer, however, I know enough about software development to know that the difference between a logical OR, and logical AND isn't all that hard to implement. 

I'm coming at this from the average end-user perspective who just wants things to work.  what you describe is something 99% of the people will want to be able to do.  with the logical Or, if the front door is locked and I punch in my code in my Kwikset, it unlocks the door and turns on the living room lights.  not exactly needed at 2 PM...

... but even PLEG can be a time sink in order to get advanced stuff.

and therein lies the problem ... with a more than full time job, a wife, 2 kids and a dog, time is a very limited commodity...

I'm also not so sure I agree with Apple's approach (as I've voiced elsewhere). They seem to currently be more interested in Home Control than Home Automation.

don't get me wrong, I don't agree with a lot of apple's approaches.  BUT ...  the average iPhone user will want something that turns on the lights when they unlock the door at night, not during the day.  And they'll get it. 

where MCV can get it absolutely spot-on is by giving us a max of 2 conditions to meet as input (select AND / OR) and based on that, perform a series of actions.
For users who want to do more advanced stuff, here's a link to the "Advanced" section where you can dink around with Lua to your heart's content.

that would cover 99% of what I'm trying to accomplish with MCV.

The preset modes are a great start, but we need to be able to build scenes off them, too.

If presetMode = Vacation
AND
VSDayorNight = Night
THEN
turn on the lights
turn on the TV


Conversely,

If lockCode = 1234 (the cleaning lady's code)
AND
presetMode = Vacation
THEN
disarm the door sensors
disarm motion sensors
disarm siren
send notification

but ... don't turn on the outlets, the lights, etc.

I refuse to accept that it's difficult to do
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: TC1 on June 05, 2014, 04:25:28 pm
@lionelandjen, it's not that difficult to do. MCV just chooses not to. Nor do they choose to actively participate in the forums on a daily or weekly basis. They appear once in a while and everyone gushes like they are seeing a movie star.

I'm in the exact same boat as you. I do technology for a living, have a family, but also a home to rebuild due to a natural disaster, and many other priorities. The purpose of the automated home is to enhance your quality of life. If I had 3 to 4 hours to waste on any given day then I'd taken up something silly like golf.... ;D

I've been contacted by several current/former Vera owners lately that have jumped ship after many years of waiting for MCV to see the light. I'll be evaluating other products (controllers) that offer an API, plug-ins, multi-protocol support, and company personnel that actively communicated in the forums (what a concept!). I'll be respectful and not mention those product names until I've made my decision.

I was hopeful about UI7, but from the preliminary reports from others here, IMO I need to start hedging my bets and give into the realization this product/company may never catch up.

Just my opinion, YMMV, and everyone has their own tolerance level for pain  :)

-TC
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: integlikewhoa on June 05, 2014, 04:27:14 pm
I refuse to accept that it's difficult to do

I'm no programmer (Transit Bus technician by trade) But I think the above is easy to do in PLEG. Which 2 Weeks ago I didn't know what it was. Didn't take 2 weeks to learn that but still learning new things everyday.

Yes you want PLEG function without knowing what PLEG is...... I know. But as you said you'll always need an advanced tab as today 2 conditions might be fine (probley not others, we always want more) for you but I'll bet anything next week or month 2 isn't going to be enough and you'll be in the advanced tab anyways. Once you go to the advanced tab you don't go back. There is probley several things I can run a scene for but since I have so much in PLEG I just add it to the list.

You see if you give a mouse a cookie..........

I don't disagree we want more, And I'm sure more will come (maybe not fast enough) but no one said you going to setup a home automation system for 200.00 and 20 min. This is not a one day project.

APPLE is going to solve this problem. They going to provide 2 preset options and block everything else out. So you'll never get confused or have to worry about anything advanced (they call it user friendly). That's because they don't open source anything and they don't advance anything. You'll get what they give you (and it will be 1-2 year old technology) and that's it!

Mobile Payments, comming soon. NFC???? More then likely some apple proprietary idea that will not only screw consumers but banks into making apple more money. 
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: SirMeili on June 05, 2014, 05:22:45 pm
@lionelandjen

I think the issue is exactly how @integlikewhoa puts it. No UI is going to give you as much control as I think you're looking for. If you're really only looking for the 1 AND, PLEG is easy to set up and actually isn't that hard for such a simple task. It is when you start to really think about stuff. So, let me give you this example. This is how my front door auto lock works for auto Lock:

FrontDoorUnlocked1 AND (FrontDoorUnlocked1; NOW > 10:00) AND LockDoor2 AND FrontDoorClosed AND ( FrontDoorClosed; NOW > 2:00 )

So, the front door has to be Unlocked currently. It has to have been unlocked for over 10 minutes, My MultiSwitch button which designates if the door should be locked is "on", the front door is closed (door sensor), and the door has to have been closed for 2 minutes or longer.

The above is why I think a UI will never be the best solution to this. Consider that there may be some room for some "ORs" in there possibly and it really starts to get complicated fast. It's something that a string of text, while perhaps confusing at first, makes it easier to convey your desires because PLEG allows for parenthesis to set up an "order of operations" for the ANDs and ORs.

I said that PLEG can be a time sink because there is a lot you can do with it. If you're only looking for a simple AND, then it's great. Here's mine for turning on the Foyer light when the door is unlocked with a pin:

FrontDoorUnlockedByPin1 AND !FoyerLightOn AND (!FoyerLightOn;FrontDoorUnlockedByPin1)

It's a bit more complicated because we have a computer in the foyer for the kids and I need to set another Multi switch button to say that it was turned on via this function, otherwise this won't run. For instance, I turn on the light to work on the computer. I have another PLEG condition for turning the light off after 10 minutes, but ONLY if the light was turned on via PLEG. I happen to have a dark foyer, so I turn on the foyer light any time of day, but a simple solution to the that would be:

FrontDoorUnlockedByPin1 AND isNight

Simple.

I think I've veered far enough off topic, so I"m gonna stop talking about this. I will agree that an AND would be wonder if the scene creation, but as time goes on, I find I want a more complex system than that, and I don't see MCV giving me that anytime soon so I am ok with putting a bit of time into PLEG.

Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: bigzippy on June 06, 2014, 01:27:31 am
Vera scenes are event driven. That is why you cannot do AND. The frequency of two events occurring at exactly the same time is zero, unless the events are perfectly correlated.

When you introduce state into the equation, in order to do AND, you need to make a decision on how to manage that state. PLEG does this by persisting the condition states, even across restarts and power cuts. However, events that occur during such downtime are not recorded and may easily lead to a situation where the state as recorded in PLEG conditions does not reflect the physical state of your house/devices. It is not difficult to imagine scenarios where this could compromise the safety and/or security of a property and it's occupants!

Vera have provided the minimum scene capability via events and the ability to add you own software, either via plugins or Lua code. This absolves them of the complexities of state management.

BZ

EDIT:  I am not knocking Vera here! I actually think they got the balance right out - it is primarily an interface onto the devices. I would just like them to sort out the network diagnostics and unpredictable response time.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: integlikewhoa on June 06, 2014, 01:47:40 am
It's always easy to request things and say they should be easy to do, when your not the the one doing them.

Requests and reviews I feel is ok and necessary, but people that keep talking about jumping ship, bailing, or other better solutions...........

Please just cut to the chase (no one is forcing you to stay) just tell us what product your going to (Myself and others would love to invest in a better system)..... why its better........ then bail (hit the road)!

Hanging out on here ranting about MCV not seeing the light and not doing this that the other is just wasting everyone's time. It doesn't give MCV a reason to listen to you. It doesn't help us find a better system, and it don't help you get your new system up and running.  Please share with us this better system that has everything we need, because it should be easy!
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: lionelandjen on June 06, 2014, 10:26:18 am
Hanging out on here ranting about MCV not seeing the light and not doing this that the other is just wasting everyone's time. It doesn't give MCV a reason to listen to you. It doesn't help us find a better system, and it don't help you get your new system up and running.  Please share with us this better system that has everything we need, because it should be easy!

I'm not saying I'm leaving MCV for a better system, or that there is a better system out there.  if we don't express a need/desire, how can MCV possibly understand what users would like to see implemented?  I haven't found a place where MCV is asking for functionality ideas from users. if there was, I'd go there and share my two shiny pennies.  it's called feedback, which is the lifeblood of any company.  to take a recent example, users were complaining to AAPL that they can't use a custom keyboard like SwitfKey (I'm and android / swiftKey guy myself) and they finally heard the crowd and will allow it in iOS8.  feedback listened to, evaluated and acted on. I think this is what we're trying to accomplish here.  we're not just whining that MCV is not good.  We love it and want it to be even better.

this thread is going off topic at this point, so I'll stop polluting it.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: waynehead99 on June 06, 2014, 10:33:13 am
Realistically what can you expect from a 200 dollar unit? Yes they are slow at doing things and stuff does need to be worked out. But come on. Everyone talks like this think should work like control4 or creston. You get what you pay for and in the Vera case, I think we get a lot more than what we paid for. The box is open enough for us to tweak. In it's basic forum without apps it hrs a huge portion of the market that really only cares about remotely turning on lights and basic scenes. I think people forget on the forum that we are a minority but seem like a majority because we all have the same goals. By all means if you think you can get the same thing that you have with Vera with another vendor move on. I highly doubt you will find it at the same price range.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: integlikewhoa on June 06, 2014, 12:49:09 pm
I'm not saying I'm leaving MCV for a better system, or that there is a better system out there.
That wasn't directed at you then. But the words I used (altho at the time I didn't want to direct quote) came from this thread.
Quote
I've been contacted by several current/former Vera owners lately that have jumped ship after many years of waiting for MCV to see the light. I'll be evaluating other products (controllers) that offer an API, plug-ins, multi-protocol support, and company personnel that actively communicated in the forums (what a concept!). I'll be respectful and not mention those product names until I've made my decision.


if we don't express a need/desire, how can MCV possibly understand what users would like to see implemented?
Requests and reviews I feel is ok and necessary,
I understand

to take a recent example, users were complaining to AAPL that they can't use a custom keyboard like SwitfKey (I'm and android / swiftKey guy myself) and they finally heard the crowd and will allow it in iOS8.  feedback listened to, evaluated and acted on. I think this is what we're trying to accomplish here.
Well wait a few more years then. Swiftkey has been on andriod since 2010 over 4 years ago and is still only on beta in Apple for several more months. Micasaverde has barely been a company that long. It's hardly a good idea to compare Apple (which to me has been falling further behind with "NEW" technology since the first Ipad) or maybe more so the Swiftkey
to introduction.

Nothing was directed soly at you.

Realistically what can you expect from a 200 dollar unit?

While I'm talking about Apple's Iphone (or any flagship phone for that matter) and VERA. Whats the cost difference? More then double unless you sign a contract.
Wayne hit the nail on the head with the whole thing and I only paid 160.00 for my Veralite on Amazon. They owe me a control 4 now! By the way a quote I had for control4 was just over 29k installed and done. Different level but I would have expected alot more if I went that route. Now I shop at lowes for GE switches.  ;D
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: TC1 on June 06, 2014, 01:17:27 pm
<huge eyeroll here>

Price of product has nothing to do with it.
Age of company has nothing to do with it.
Complexity of product has nothing to do with it.

There are some of us who actually have an education and practical hands-on experience in technology product development. There's best practices out there, documented in the industry, to help guide the success of companies and the satisfaction of their customers. Some of those practices are active and open communication with your customer-base. Public product roadmaps (when it won't hurt your competitive edge). Agile product development to respond to customer-market demands, instead of old-school waterfall methodology. Keeping the product partners which help ensure your success (the plug-in developers) well informed of upcoming product changes and plans.

MCV does none of these. These things are not hard to do, any company, big or small, can choose to do them.

Go on, keep believing what you want to  ::)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: integlikewhoa on June 06, 2014, 01:32:56 pm
<huge eyeroll here>

Price of product has nothing to do with it.
Age of company has nothing to do with it.
Complexity of product has nothing to do with it.

There are some of us who actually have an education and practical hands-on experience in technology product development. There's best practices out there, documented in the industry, to help guide the success of companies and the satisfaction of their customers. Some of those practices are active and open communication with your customer-base. Public product roadmaps (when it won't hurt your competitive edge). Agile product development to respond to customer-market demands, instead of old-school waterfall methodology. Keeping the product partners which help ensure your success (the plug-in developers) well informed of upcoming product changes and plans.

MCV does none of these. These things are not hard to do, any company, big or small, can choose to do them.

Go on, keep believing what you want to  ::)

Please Educate us fokes that don't have "hands-on experience in technology product development"

So which company does everything you want?
What company are you leaving to?
I know I'm interested in this better company...... but really more so a better product that comes along with it?

Don't hold out on us we all want something better!
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: BulldogLowell on June 06, 2014, 01:58:32 pm
by creating an open source product, they are now somehow responsible to make sure every developer comes along with them?  The answer is clearly "no".

They should be (and are doing) what ever they want to do.  They will be (or will not be) successful based on the market's acceptance of the value/cost relationship; as is the fate of all consumer products.

I'm guessing that most people bought their first vera to do a few things (lights on/off, thermostat control, etc) and because of the open architecture, and the efforts of a lot of talented folks here, realized that they could do more.

If it isn't 'most people' it is certainly a lot of us.

Example:  I didn't buy vera to do Text to Speech with my OSX boxes... but it is doing that now.  That's a good thing for me, because I like that.  That happened because of the forum members, not MCV.  If their next generation of product no longer supports cURL, that's their prerogative.  The market will judge it accordingly and I will move up, or not based on how that new vera thingy brings value for the price (i.e. does what I like it to do).

It is very easy to be a consumer, you just vote with your wallet; you may even be able to influence a few other 'voters' as well.

It is also easy to be the judge, knowing we would do X or Y differently.   But alas, we don't own MCV so we get only our votes (and our thoughts expressed here, funded by they very folks we , censure, denounce, condemn, attack, lambaste, pillory, rail against, inveigh against, arraign, cast aspersions on, pour scorn on, disparage, denigrate, give bad press to, run down; knock, pan, maul, slam, roast, hammer, lay into, lace, flay, crucify, take apart, pull to pieces, pick holes in, pummel, trash, nitpick and once in a while... praise). ;D
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: waynehead99 on June 06, 2014, 02:03:40 pm
I am curious about these other companies that supposedly exist but no one jumps to. I agree things need to change with Mcv if they want to survive long term but be realistic and realize we on this forum are the masses no matter how much you wish it true. And if everyone on this forum didn't buy the product in the first place I highly doubt it would've hurt the company too badly.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: kelpayne on June 10, 2014, 01:54:28 pm
Beta 2 is apparently out today.  Who's going to be the first to jump into the pool?  (I have to wait until this evening at earliest.)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: FrancoisL on June 10, 2014, 03:52:43 pm
Hello,

First update gave:

Update failed! Unable to download your config files from the server. Please manually restore your Backup or Reboot your router.

After a reboot, all config are still lost, after a restore, data were back.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: mitch.thompson on June 14, 2014, 03:33:51 pm
Not much feedback on B2...is everyone happy, or just gun shy (like I am)?

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Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Javelin on June 16, 2014, 04:11:00 am
Looks like they have done a truck load of fixes with talk of advanced scenes coming back soon. I think ill wait untill that happens then jump on board. Good to see it looks like they have recorded everyones feedback into a massive list to tackle. Good luck to them I hope they finish.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on June 16, 2014, 08:57:09 am
I talked to MCV last week.
They have fixed a lot of things ... and expect the  beta releases to come more quickly ...
I gave them positive feedback on the list of things to be fixed in subsequent betas at the bottom of their release notes ..

For plugin developers another major thing they plan to release ... is a better mapping of the data in the plugin's D_XXX.json file to the new UI. They believe they can make UI7 backward compatible with UI5 plugins ...  I expressed my skepticism.

I indicated my concern about providing access to plugins to the general user community without some indication that they are UI7 validated.
 
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: koburg on June 26, 2014, 03:15:25 am
I have tested the beta 2 release. Had to revert back.
Danfoss thermostat not working.
Philio relay not working.

Just to let you all know.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: ServiceXp on June 26, 2014, 07:26:33 am
Wow, and they are calling this a Beta version... Seems more like a pre Alpha base.  :-[
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: TC1 on June 26, 2014, 09:54:29 am
Less than a week till the end of Q2. Anyone wanna take bets as to whether they miss another self-imposed deadline?  ::)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: macrho on June 26, 2014, 10:04:44 am
tech support said yesterday that they plan to release UI7 next week    :o
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: freemann on June 26, 2014, 10:06:18 am
Public release or there next pre-Alpha uuhhh Beta release? :-X
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: macrho on June 26, 2014, 10:10:25 am
Public release
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: freemann on June 26, 2014, 10:14:24 am
Public release
:o
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: koburg on June 26, 2014, 10:14:34 am
If it is public release. Then they really have to step up. Because these betas are really like alpha.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Javelin on June 27, 2014, 02:09:08 am
 ;D public release....
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: freemann on June 30, 2014, 02:12:33 am
This weekend i received the following email;
Quote
SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE: 12:00-3:00am PDT - June 30, 2014
Dear Vera User,

In preparation for the release of our new UI7, we will be conducting a scheduled upgrade to our networks this weekend. During the upgrade process, some users may be unable to remotely log in to their Vera Smart Home Controllers from 12:00am to 3:00am PDT on June 30th.

Our apologies in advance for this brief interruption in service required to bring you a faster, more feature rich, and secure Vera experience moving forward. 
 
As always, should you have any questions, comments, or concerns, please email us at support@getvera.com.

Sincerely,

Network Operations Team

Is it really going to happen this week ?!?!?!? :o :o ??? ??? :o :o
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: TC1 on July 01, 2014, 09:46:31 am
End of Q2 has happened.....  ::)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: freemann on July 01, 2014, 09:55:13 am
I heard that the release was planned for this week.
So let's wait for another 3-4 days? :-X
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: lolodomo on July 01, 2014, 02:10:13 pm
Does the last beta version restore the lua code in scene ?


Is there an official and easy option to restore UI5 in case I don't like UI7 ?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: j.hoekstra on July 01, 2014, 02:17:36 pm
According to:
http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Release_Notes#UI7:_1.7.228_Beta_Release_version_1.7.228_-_Jun_6.2C_2014_-_Beta_2

Features to be added next: (coming soon)
- plugins implementation;
- luup code for scenes;
- RTSP (Real Time Streaming Protocol) support for cameras;
- 3rd party cloud storage (DropBox, Box, Google Drive);
So not yet.
Reverting is still done via 'upgrading to' a lower version I think? Probably not easy for end-user...
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: tb001 on July 01, 2014, 09:14:36 pm
According to:
http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Release_Notes#UI7:_1.7.228_Beta_Release_version_1.7.228_-_Jun_6.2C_2014_-_Beta_2

Features to be added next: (coming soon)
- plugins implementation;
- luup code for scenes;
- RTSP (Real Time Streaming Protocol) support for cameras;
- 3rd party cloud storage (DropBox, Box, Google Drive);
So not yet.
Reverting is still done via 'upgrading to' a lower version I think? Probably not easy for end-user...

Interesting. Curious to see what the video archive is--maybe just third part storage?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: TC1 on July 02, 2014, 09:50:40 pm
And the countdown to end of week starts now...
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: rafale77 on July 07, 2014, 03:28:39 am
After browsing the forum, I found out I was not the only one dealing with all these bugs on UI6... hopefully UI7 will fix them all. Can't wait...
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: TC1 on July 07, 2014, 10:37:35 am
Speaking of waiting... looks like end of week came and went. Anyone running a production version of UI7?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: gadi1975 on July 07, 2014, 01:10:17 pm
Someone asked about UI7's reslease on Vera's Facebook page yesterday.  Here's the response given by Vera's Social Media Manager:

"We are extremely close to the Vera UI7 release but in all honesty, we don't want to again miss a self-imposed deadline, so all I can say right now it that we're very, very close."

I'm not sure what very, very close means in terms of actual time, but I hope it's soon.  Can't wait to test out the new UI and all it's features.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: gijs on July 08, 2014, 02:22:21 am
it looks like getvera starts to realize the signal they are giving when misssing self-imposed deadlines. I do appriciate the honesty in the social media.  To getvera is say: Take the time you need and keep us informed, if possible weekly. The tools to do that are al there,  social media, forum blog etc ;)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: lionelandjen on July 08, 2014, 09:39:43 am
To getvera is say: Take the time you need and keep us informed, if possible weekly. The tools to do that are al there,  social media, forum blog etc ;)

Amen to that.  get it right, rather than hurry something half-baked through, or realize that you have a major show-stopper 3 days before the publicized release date...

Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: EarlyMorningHours on July 08, 2014, 10:16:42 am
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Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Alireza44907 on July 11, 2014, 03:36:19 pm
Hi all
Since 2 days ago I can not connect to my vera from distance and using local network it takes time to connect to it.
I use veramate and MMS vera, but none of them works.
Can anybody help me? :(
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Grwebster on July 12, 2014, 05:09:50 pm
I find MMS Vera needs you to sign out and then back in again to get it working.  That's why I deleted my version.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: tdubbs on July 14, 2014, 01:27:36 pm
Agree with Grwebster, MMS Vera you need to log out EVERYTIME, then re-login. Very annoying.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: RHINESEL on July 14, 2014, 01:47:42 pm
Is there anything seen in these beta's that expands the capabilities of scenes?

I'm about to start setting some up and while I have no problem buying a license for PLEG (the plugin looks great and I fully support people's time) I don't want to start down one road only to have to change things again.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: TC1 on July 16, 2014, 03:42:32 pm
<looks at the calendar>

Let's see....

First date announced was Q1 2014 (right after CES)
Then that slipped to first-half of Q2
Which then became by end of Q2
And here we are coming up on three weeks past Q2.

Oh wait.... maybe that was Q2 2015?

Nothing to see here.... same ol' MCV  ::)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Skaven on July 17, 2014, 09:16:48 am
What is The latest test version Number?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: axbl on July 17, 2014, 09:43:50 am
Is there an alternative System to MiCasaVerde ?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Tank on July 17, 2014, 09:58:15 am
Is there an alternative System to MiCasaVerde ?

Yes, but this is not the right thread to ask that question.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: axbl on July 17, 2014, 10:02:36 am
If there is no alternative to all who are waiting..... you have to wait ;-)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: kelpayne on July 20, 2014, 02:48:16 pm
What is The latest test version Number?

From another thread:

"Well, I'm up to ver. 1.7.239 .  It would be nice if the change log had details on this."
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: koburg on July 21, 2014, 04:55:45 am

What is The latest test version Number?

From another thread:

"Well, I'm up to ver. 1.7.239 .  It would be nice if the change log had details on this."

Im Also beta ui7 tester how did you get This version?
 Im only at the beta 2 release.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: kelpayne on July 22, 2014, 12:31:15 pm
Check the change log thread.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: agr07 on July 23, 2014, 10:24:46 pm
new iOS app tonight. Does this mean the firmware update is getting close?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: koburg on July 25, 2014, 04:17:16 am
Just Got email from the beta support. They wrote that there might not be Any beta 3. They Will release public version soon. Which i don't understand since the betas are so buggy.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: FrancoisL on July 28, 2014, 06:54:14 pm
For the beta testers who have the firmware links, you can see that they made good progress since .228.  They are now around .292 and the scenes are now accepting luup scripts like before (e.g. triggering my doorbell scene is playing sound on my camera via http call).

Hoping to have an official GetVera update soon and the release note of this first public version (including mobile apps) to know the real status of UI7.  Exciting news ... :)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: koburg on July 28, 2014, 11:03:36 pm

For the beta testers who have the firmware links, you can see that they made good progress since .228.  They are now around .292 and the scenes are now accepting luup scripts like before (e.g. triggering my doorbell scene is playing sound on my camera via http call).

Hoping to have an official GetVera update soon and the release note of this first public version (including mobile apps) to know the real status of UI7.  Exciting news ... :)

I Am beta ui7 tester where schould i find the list from the ui7 interface on the vera Box ? Because the links from email show only beta 1 & 2 release notes
Title: Luacrypt in UI7 ?
Post by: Stuart on July 29, 2014, 12:40:08 pm
Does anyone know if Luacrypt is included in this upcoming release ?   It was requested a couple of years ago for UI5 but "suddenly ........ nothing happened"

Plugins that use google services (like calendar) will have to authenticate as of ~ November and with this comes a need for require("crypto") to creat JWT and the like.

If the answer is "no" then is anyone aware of a version of luacrypt that will run on vera?    If not - I can raise a 'fuss' with MCV (and hope)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: EarlyMorningHours on July 29, 2014, 07:47:26 pm
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Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Stuart on July 29, 2014, 08:14:08 pm
I'm fairly certain Google is going to maintain the ability to make a calendar "public".  While not ideal for our purposes, there are hundreds (or thousands) that rely on public Google calendars.  Anything from user groups to small businesses that want to make that information available on their publicly available websites.
Here is my understanding -- google evidently went to the same school of documentation as MCV, so it's hard to get the complete and accurate story ....

Yes - you can set your calendar to public, in which case the calling API (for plugins) will still need an API key but that's it.  However, if you do not want everyone in google land to have (read) access to your calendar - then you need to make it private.

Some people may be happy to let the world know their schedule - but I'm not one of them  :o .  Especially as it relates to when I may not be at home!  If we go beyond calendar and think about email related plugins and other more sensitive apps ....... the need becomes more apparent.

I have sorted out authenticated access for my plugin (GCal_II) using a service account and can happily run it on my PC - but without  'crypto' it's a no-go for vera.   I could probably figure out how to compile on the vera and make a Luacrypto module - something that would take MCV an hour and me probably a few weeks - I hope I don't have to go that route for a module that, in this day and age, really ought to be available as a standard option.

I'm not saying MVC should include all possible modules in a standard deployment, but there are a few that are pretty obvious candidates for a library of MVC provided options.  Some security modules and json (encode / decode) come to mind as immediate candidates.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: pvancald on July 30, 2014, 07:59:04 am
Hello,
I'm part of the beta program with the beta2 version.
Since the beginning of this beta test, I never managed to login remotely on the unit...
I log in at https://getvera.stg.mios.com/users/login
that brings me to the screen at https://getvera.stg.mios.com/dashboard/myunits where I can see my unit assigned. I then click on Connect
which then brings me to a unreachable website with url (I changed some numbers with xxxx) https://relay/relay/uiredirect/device/3xxxxxx7
(this with Firefox and Chrome)

Did you encounter the same thing?
I signaled this at least two times with the bottom link Provide Feedback and never got an answer...
If they are ready to release the final version, I hope their systems are now completely configured
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: garrettwp on July 30, 2014, 11:13:10 am
The beta firmware uses special URLs for authentication from the production firmwares. Once the official UI7 firmware is finished and released, they will update it to use the production URLs for authentication and remote access.

- Garrett

Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: clippermiami on July 30, 2014, 11:46:17 am
Could someone explain to me why Vera is spending resources on TWO version of the UI, neither of which is currently working completely and appear to be on track to complete at approximately the same time?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: garrettwp on July 30, 2014, 01:43:33 pm
Not sure what you mean? MCV is only working on one version.

- Garrett

Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: clippermiami on July 30, 2014, 02:09:09 pm
I guess I'm not clear myself then. I thought there were two versions being worked, UI6 and UI7. Although I guess in truth UI6 is production, it's everyone else scrambling to make plugins work under UI6 and UI7 ... is that close to the fact?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: garrettwp on July 30, 2014, 02:27:47 pm
There is no work being done on UI6. All work is being done on UI7.

- Garrett

Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: clippermiami on July 30, 2014, 02:30:15 pm
There is no work being done on UI6. All work is being done on UI7.

- Garrett

Thanks for the clarification
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: wilme2 on July 30, 2014, 05:19:24 pm
From a Vera Control Ltd. Facebook post today "full UI7 support in advance of our General Availability release next week"

Yikes.  UI7 next week?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: TC1 on July 30, 2014, 05:39:50 pm
They said almost the same exact phrase a month ago.
Not altering my life plans in anticipation  ;)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: koburg on August 04, 2014, 10:56:56 pm
Can somebody tell me is ui7 out now?   The Way vera talk about it with the new iOS app. It could Sound like it is out ?????
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: zedrally on August 04, 2014, 11:44:47 pm
Wouldn't they announce it with Fanfair and Flags?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: koburg on August 04, 2014, 11:48:11 pm
Well not always i guees. I just noticed something but i Will tell about it later if Im right. When I am back Home.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: zedrally on August 05, 2014, 12:11:08 am
Vera Mobile UI7 Version 2.1 is available App Store for download or update. It addresses the issue that some users...  http://t.co/mXCveZwIIw
7 hours ago
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: koburg on August 05, 2014, 12:25:27 am
Exactly what i Read so when you Read This it Sound like ui7 has been out for long time. (Im beta test for ui7) because This app is only for ui7.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: zedrally on August 05, 2014, 12:34:37 am
I read it as a mobile app, not the full UI7 interface, but I could be wrong...(usually are)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: koburg on August 05, 2014, 01:29:37 am
not necessary but do me a favor and tell me what it says when you click on this firmware update link from getvera.com
http://firmware.getvera.com/ (http://firmware.getvera.com/)

when your on local network then continue the guide until you see what firmware you have and what you can upgrade to nothing happen until you push next/upgrade.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: zedrally on August 05, 2014, 01:39:48 am
There is no way in Hell that I'm clicking that link....we will have to wait for another bunny to find out.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: HaPe on August 05, 2014, 06:07:47 am
If I click that link, then it want me to upgrade my Vera Lite to 1.6.633 (running 1.5.622 now).
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: koburg on August 05, 2014, 08:18:24 am
Ok so my mistake thought i saw something Else This morning.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: waynehead99 on August 05, 2014, 08:31:32 am
It's a very misleading post and Mcv glanced right over the question as well and posted more PR reply on someone else about their hardware upgrade options. I highly doubt it's out and they are eating crow... Again.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: koburg on August 05, 2014, 08:51:41 am
If I click that link, then it want me to upgrade my Vera Lite to 1.6.633 (running 1.5.622 now).

ok on my link it says different but that is maybe because I'm beta tester. i don't say any more now but thats why we get confused. when even the beta tester's don't get any updates at all. the last email was about the beta 2 release over 1 month ago.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: dzmiller on August 05, 2014, 02:14:01 pm
From a facebook reply:

the Vera2 hardware doesn't meet the minimum requirements for UI7. But, on the upside, we're finalizing the upgrade program for existing Vera1 and Vera2 owners this week, so you'll have an easy, cost effective way to upgrade to a current controller.

Stay tuned here for more details.

Cheers,

Colin Burke McClure ▾ Sr. Director of Product Development


They wouldn't move the old users to Vera 3, would they? If Vera was a normal company this reply would have to indicate a hardware announcement. Of course I will not be suckered into optimism. Nope.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: macrho on August 05, 2014, 06:36:35 pm
<sigh> wish there was a vera 4 controller being announced
a buy back program is nice, did that with my vera2 for my vera3
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: freemann on August 06, 2014, 03:33:11 am
If Vera was a normal company
:'(

It's an sat story......
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: AndreasE on August 07, 2014, 04:28:33 am
From a Vera Control Ltd. Facebook post today "full UI7 support in advance of our General Availability release next week"

"We're in the final QA phase this week, so it will be available for download and install on, or before, the 8th." according to Troy ... Colin McLure.

https://www.facebook.com/veracontrol/posts/749914321714230

August 8 would be tomorrow.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: svaleb on August 07, 2014, 05:08:09 am
Now my vera3 is tired of ui7. It has stopped working and started blinking green and red.
I have tried to reed this one
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,9027.0.html
but it is too dificult for me I think.
CE
Title: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: koburg on August 07, 2014, 06:43:06 am
From a Vera Control Ltd. Facebook post today "full UI7 support in advance of our General Availability release next week"

"We're in the final QA phase this week, so it will be available for download and install on, or before, the 8th." according to Troy ... Colin McLure.

https://www.facebook.com/veracontrol/posts/749914321714230

August 8 would be tomorrow.

Thanks for the honest feedback Allan. We?re glad to have your participation in the beta program and sincerely appreciate the effort and time you?ve committed to this. You?ll get an updated Beta 5 build in the next 24 hours, in advance of the GA release this week.

As to internal development of 3rd party device compatibility, we will continue to support our developer community but will support certain key products (Nest, Hue, WeMo, Insteon, etc.), internally in UI7. This will allow for a more seamless and polished user experience, as they can simply add the device(s) via the Device Pairing Wizard, just as they would any other device.



You Can read the rest on facebook.

Allan
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: clippermiami on August 07, 2014, 08:59:40 am
So UI7 is one the way any day now.

When i install it which of my Plug Ins and toys are going to be broken?

Right now I use:
- DSC Alarm Panel  Plug In
- PLEG Plug In
- Vera Alerts Plug In
- Virtual Switch Plug In
- "Unofficial" Blue Iris Camera Interface Plug In
- Variable Container Plug In
- Multi-Switch  Plug In
- AEON 4-in-1 Sensor
- Kwikset 914 Lock
- MySensors (Arduino) Plug In
- First Alert ZSMOKE Detector (Supposedly THIS will now actually work in UI 7 :)
- Countdown Timer Plug In
- Ping Sensor  Plug In
- AutoVera  Plug In
- Day or Night  Plug In
- EventWatcher  Plug In
- ImperiHome  Plug In
- iPhone Locator
- Google Calendar  Plug In
- Bridged Vera
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: TC1 on August 07, 2014, 11:09:27 am
From a Vera Control Ltd. Facebook post today "full UI7 support in advance of our General Availability release next week"

"We're in the final QA phase this week, so it will be available for download and install on, or before, the 8th." according to Troy ... Colin McLure.

https://www.facebook.com/veracontrol/posts/749914321714230

August 8 would be tomorrow.

They already missed their Q1 deadline.
The first half of Q2 deadline.
The end of Q2 deadline.

Any bets on what will happen tomorrow?   ::)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: macrho on August 07, 2014, 11:31:10 am
Any bets on what will happen tomorrow?   ::)

many a folk will be imbibing alcohol and be blissfully unaware of anything HA related
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: waynehead99 on August 07, 2014, 12:02:30 pm
If it actually came out tomorrow, who is going to install it?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: macrho on August 07, 2014, 12:22:16 pm
If it actually came out tomorrow, who is going to install it?

I'm not brave enough
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: bigzippy on August 07, 2014, 12:30:02 pm
Maybe those who are within the narrow margin of over-imbibed and unconscious!
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: lionelandjen on August 08, 2014, 01:38:49 pm
I would.

today's 08/08/2014

no news yet.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: waynehead99 on August 08, 2014, 02:43:04 pm
I would be surprised even if they didn't have the history to release software on a Friday.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: rhuss on August 08, 2014, 08:31:53 pm
I have posted several messages this week to the Vera team via their Facebook page.   Apparently that is not the place to post messages if you are expecting a response from anyone.   Sorry, but I just started using Vera and invested in a Vera 3 but now wondering if I made the right choice.   This site and many of the Vera users on it seem to be very knowledgeable and helpful.  The users here are the reason I chose Vera as a platform.    I'm hoping for some good news on the update to the UI and hope to see better communications from them soon....or maybe someone can let me know if there is a better communications channel back to the company??
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: gadi1975 on August 08, 2014, 09:51:35 pm
It's finally here, kind of  :).  The UI7 Release Candidate was made available by Vera.  A Release Candidate indicates that the update is well tested but will benefit from additional community testing before it is distributed automatically to all of Vera's customers.  If you're interested in upgrading to UI7 now, then follow the directions on Vera's website -> http://getvera.com/vera-ui7-release-candidate/.

If anyone updates now, first of all good luck, and let us know how it goes.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: BOFH on August 08, 2014, 09:53:26 pm
UI7 RC appears to be available. see http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,26437.0.html

Since I only have the 1 Vera and it is a production system (aka, I depend on it) I'm not risking an upgrade at this time. If I had a spare Vera, I'd give it a try with the spare. Working in IT for a few decades I know better than to use a production environment for testing.  8)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: waynehead99 on August 09, 2014, 12:34:59 am
Proper idea, wait for a bit on UI 7. Especially if you rely on the thing to work properly. I will be staying on ui5 for probably the rest of the year and let the kinks get worked out. It's stable and I don't need to piss the wife off anymore than I already do with my hobby.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Dpc131 on August 09, 2014, 03:01:21 am
Proper idea, wait for a bit on UI 7. Especially if you rely on the thing to work properly.

Agree, just tried it out. Probably a bad idea to start it at 2am. The interface is much nicer than ui5, but Wemo plugin got the device caught in a Luup start-up loop; Nest said I needed version 1.5.408 or newer (I had 1.7) and wouldn't start, Garage Door plugin was being treated as a Z-wave device and showed failed communication, and DLNA plugin did not work.

I understand that they rightly stated that plugins may not work; but all they would need to do is look and see the ones above are probably the most popular and just try them out. The number of plugins on their site is not too long that they could have a list of which ones they tested and didn't test.

Downgrading to ui5 as we speak. ui7 has potential in the hour or so that I used it, but 99% of the folks using it are so reliant on the apps, that I would definitely wait.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: freemann on August 09, 2014, 07:28:00 am
Did  anybody already find a release note?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: LG on August 09, 2014, 07:32:37 am
Take a look here :

http://support.getvera.com/customer/portal/topics/666697-release-notes/articles (http://support.getvera.com/customer/portal/topics/666697-release-notes/articles)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: TC1 on August 09, 2014, 08:13:59 am
Kind of ironic that no one wants to mess up their systems, yet they expect other people to take the risk.  ::)

Also not surprising that after all this time, it's still only a release candidate. So technically, MCV has once again missed another deadline. SMH.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Stuart on August 09, 2014, 11:47:02 am
Can anyone point me to migration instructions for upgrading a plugin from UI5 to UI7 ?   I'd like to get started ....... but am not in the beta program
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: charettepa on August 09, 2014, 12:00:21 pm
Proper idea, wait for a bit on UI 7. Especially if you rely on the thing to work properly.

Agree, just tried it out. Probably a bad idea to start it at 2am. The interface is much nicer than ui5, but Wemo plugin got the device caught in a Luup start-up loop; Nest said I needed version 1.5.408 or newer (I had 1.7) and wouldn't start, Garage Door plugin was being treated as a Z-wave device and showed failed communication, and DLNA plugin did not work.

I understand that they rightly stated that plugins may not work; but all they would need to do is look and see the ones above are probably the most popular and just try them out. The number of plugins on their site is not too long that they could have a list of which ones they tested and didn't test.

Downgrading to ui5 as we speak. ui7 has potential in the hour or so that I used it, but 99% of the folks using it are so reliant on the apps, that I would definitely wait.

Watou has already posted a replacement xml to correct the issue with nest plugin
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,26439.msg187429.html#msg187429
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: garrettwp on August 09, 2014, 02:06:37 pm
Unfortunately, in do not think there is any. I certainly have not seen any. It's more like trial and error.

- Garrett

Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: xAPPO on August 10, 2014, 07:28:45 am
Dissapointing  ???

Can anyone point me to migration instructions for upgrading a plugin from UI5 to UI7 ?   I'd like to get started ....... but am not in the beta program

I' m in the same position - you'd think Vera would want to encourage developers to smooth the transition to UI7 but there's no info which seems very remiss.

Quote from: Colin Burke McClure
Also, we cannot guarantee the compatibility of all the legacy UI5 apps and plugins written by our 3rd party developer community. Should you encounter an issue with one of these apps or plugins please email support@getvera.com and we?ll work to escalate and resolve directly with the developer.

I wonder what help you might get - probably just a 'your plugin doesn't work with UI7' email !  Anyone got any useful additional info about UI7 plugin development and the new UI layout / capabilities, either from Vera or just deduced ? If so maybe we could start a separate topic now the public beta is out.

ATM I can't see how to restart LUUP ( or the old 'Reload' ) without power cycling the unit ... ?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: BOFH on August 10, 2014, 01:52:37 pm
Does

Code: [Select]
luup.call_action("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:HomeAutomationGateway1", "Reload", {}, 0)

Not work under UI7 anymore?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: lolodomo on August 10, 2014, 03:38:05 pm
The "reload" button has been suppressed ?!
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: xAPPO on August 11, 2014, 07:16:58 am
There is no 'Reload' button on mine  (Chrome browser).. do others see one ?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: charettepa on August 11, 2014, 05:05:27 pm
anyone have any other feedback on ui7
any 3rd party apps not working other than already reported

i'm still waiting on my 2nd veralite to arrive so i can do some ui7 testing
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: mpresling on August 11, 2014, 05:21:21 pm
There's a thread for 3rd party compatibility at http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=26438
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: charettepa on August 11, 2014, 05:27:40 pm
thanks for the info
thats horrible
everything is broken
how can that be considered rc
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: RHINESEL on August 11, 2014, 11:08:45 pm
Is the UI for UI7 the same as UI6 (green UI)?  If so, does it have the "advance" option like UI6 that essentially gives you UI5 (blue UI)?

It would be nice to see a YouTube video of a quick tour of the new UI.  I'd expect GetVera to do it but...
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: koburg on August 12, 2014, 12:10:06 am

Is the UI for UI7 the same as UI6 (green UI)?  If so, does it have the "advance" option like UI6 that essentially gives you UI5 (blue UI)?

The ui7 is only there you handle all from the menu is upgraded with more features so no advanced tab or whatever they Called it In ui6.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: gregl on August 12, 2014, 12:11:34 am
Can someone make some screenshots or a YouTube video? Cheers
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Javelin on August 12, 2014, 06:50:49 am
Is the UI for UI7 the same as UI6 (green UI)?  If so, does it have the "advance" option like UI6 that essentially gives you UI5 (blue UI)?

It would be nice to see a YouTube video of a quick tour of the new UI.  I'd expect GetVera to do it but...

Yeah id like to know this as well pretty useless software without a advanced mode for editing scenes.... just saying Vera..
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Kurtopia on August 12, 2014, 02:45:33 pm
I took the plunge and installed the RC today. Thankfully, things seem to work a lot better than in my very brief experience with an earlier beta version.

I think all of my devices showed up after the upgrade, though three or so are not responding.

The UI is worlds better than UI5. I've noticed a few quirks, though, like the on/off buttons on top of one another for dimmers.

I don't have the option to assign a switch or a thermostat to a room, though it does show up for motion sensors and door locks. Initially, I did it the hard way by manually assigning the room number under each device's "Advanced" section. Then I discovered that it's all much easier and quicker in the iOS app.

No scenes or triggers carried over.

I really like how they've streamlined the scene/trigger creation process -- it's much more straightforward and intuitive now.

When I attempt to create a scene with only my Honeywell YTH8320ZW1007/U thermostats, I get "No action could be set for selected devices. Please, choose other devices." This may force me back to UI5 for the time being, since I control my thermostats' set points through Vera.

I was a little annoyed that I couldn't put an apostrophe in the name of a room.

I'm really looking forward to playing with the modes (home/away/night/vacation).
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: ChuTn3Y on August 13, 2014, 12:29:44 pm
I finally choose to upgrade with this RC... Everything was good to upgrade to UI5, to UI6, to UI7 like discribe by Micasaverde.

All my devices were moved in UI7, only my Foscam Camera dont work. So i installed it with the new Add Camera Menu without problem.
Fibaro Wall plug : OK directly
Vision Security Siren : OK directly
FIbaro FGMS-001 : Motion sensor & luminosity OK, no Temperature value

But all the start luup code and Scenario dont move UI5 to UI7.

Menu Energy : not working
Everytime, it asking me to enter my login

Settings/Location : Not Working, so i cant change F? in C? and change my city....

User/Account Info : Everytime, it asking me to enter my login

The Scenarios Menu is quite better. It's easier to set a motion sensor armed to plug on a Siren or something else. They make a good job on this and on graphical interface. It's faster and nicer.
But there is to much bug for me yet, so i downgrade to UI5 (without problem) to keep my system alive.

There is good ideas, but they need to work more on it to be working at 100%.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: charettepa on August 14, 2014, 05:39:36 pm
I finally choose to upgrade with this RC... Everything was good to upgrade to UI5, to UI6, to UI7 like discribe by Micasaverde.

All my devices were moved in UI7, only my Foscam Camera dont work. So i installed it with the new Add Camera Menu without problem.
Fibaro Wall plug : OK directly
Vision Security Siren : OK directly
FIbaro FGMS-001 : Motion sensor & luminosity OK, no Temperature value

But all the start luup code and Scenario dont move UI5 to UI7.

Menu Energy : not working
Everytime, it asking me to enter my login

Settings/Location : Not Working, so i cant change F? in C? and change my city....

User/Account Info : Everytime, it asking me to enter my login

The Scenarios Menu is quite better. It's easier to set a motion sensor armed to plug on a Siren or something else. They make a good job on this and on graphical interface. It's faster and nicer.
But there is to much bug for me yet, so i downgrade to UI5 (without problem) to keep my system alive.

There is good ideas, but they need to work more on it to be working at 100%.

setting and location working for me
has been set and displaying in celcius

i have rebooted device a few times now and never need to login

im not a big fan of the new scenes
there is no advanced view when you get to the end (last step)
so no fine tuning is possible
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: watchound on August 14, 2014, 06:14:25 pm
I opted to upgrade to UI7 a few days ago. Though I do like the interface, it seems there are alot of issues- many of which I was under the impression had been fixed. I've been watching the forums for a bit now, and since I haven't seen any of my particular issues mentioned, I figured I might as well speak up:

CT100 Thermostat (2Gig)- Seems to create anomalous ghost devices which are named "_Thermostat". These also can't be deleted. After any number of exclusions / inclusions with them, they keep coming back. This wasn't ever a problem with UI6.

RS100HC (model is DWZWAVE1 on the back) Window / Door sensor (Schlage)- Despite being identical to the Ecolink door / window sensor (near as I can tell), these aren't detected properly. Instead they show up as motion sensors. Was a problem in UI6, apparently still is.

Other anomalous devices- I've got 15 devices all called "_sensor", another called "_Temperature Sensor", and a third called "Unnamed Device". The third is apparently an KWH meter. Similarly to the thermostat, these can't be deleted and were never an issue under UI6.

Battery levels are wrong- Most of my battery-powered devices are all reading 100% (months old batteries), if there is a readout at all. Seems to be a new issue to UI7.

Spotty device updating- This has probably been observed by others but I'm just noting my experience- the states of my motion sensors (both actual and the ones I apparently have mounted on my sliding doors), status of my switches, and the readouts from my Aeotec Smart Switches are all spotty at best. Sometimes they get updated properly, sometimes not.

I have tried remedying some of these issues by doing a factory reset and re-including devices, but after linking the thermostat, waiting 10 minutes and seeing the phantom devices again, I threw that idea out. I don't feel like repairing everything in the house just to have the same issue. Not sure if anyone has any suggestions or has seen similar behavior, but either way it seemed worth documenting.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: zoot1612 on August 14, 2014, 10:16:35 pm
Quote
Settings/Location : Not Working, so i cant change F? in C? and change my city....

User/Account Info : Everytime, it asking me to enter my login

I found that if I logged on remotely these would work but locally I was getting the same. So I have fixed everything via remote access.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: charettepa on August 15, 2014, 04:47:35 pm
below is a list of issues i have found and submitted to vera support
they have advised to send all knows ui7 issues to
rc@getvera.com and cc support@getvera.com
please do the same with anything you find


Ergy
Gateway SerialNumber: 350##### is already assigned

Save Button
save button missing from advanced and settings for devices settings
vera claims that back buttong at top saves but not always

Multiple of Same Device for Apps
currently you can not have more than 1 device per app
in ui5 you just click add another, ui7 does not have this
also cannot install the app more than 1x
this is an issue if you need more than 1
such as the countdown timer or virtual switch

Add Existing Account
adding additional users to your vera is only possible by creating a new account
this does not work if the person already has a ui6/7 account
you get an error that the email is already in use
need option to add user that already has account

Individual Rooms/Groups and Content List Order
rooms/groups are listed alphabetically
however their contents are not, they are listed numerically by device id instead
this gets messy as everything is listed in order added
at least alphabetically you can play with device names
this is how ui5 operates and is much more useful

scenes
scenes now have 3 steps instead of 4
1-trigger, 2-action, 3-notifications and luup
the 4th step was an advanced overview
where you could ?tweek? certain things that the gui would not allow
example temperature sliders for tstat only allow whole degree
but after setting it up, in the advanced tab you could add .5 to the temperature
similarly with alarm password ?arm disarm code?
you cant do it in the gui but the advanced tab allowed to add it in

Lights Shortcut Group on the Dashboard
this group only includes
dimable lights (urn:schemas-upnp-org:device:DimmableLight:1)
and not
on/off switches (urn:schemas-upnp-org:device:BinaryLight:1)
they should be added to the group, as they are lights
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: charettepa on August 15, 2014, 05:33:47 pm
workarround found for additional devices for an app
such as countdown timer or virtual switch

manually create a new device in apps/develop

populate the following by copying from the other device
device type
device file
imp file
device_json (json file can only be added after the device is created)

you must reboot the vera and wait a few minutes for the variables to populate
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: bbredewold on August 16, 2014, 10:58:41 am
Seems like the ToggleSwitch option is gone.
Somewhere an advanced screen?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: dmckenna on August 17, 2014, 04:37:10 pm
Please, please, please..........can we ensure that UI7 handles battery devices in an improved way. It's an easy fix but the existing UI5 way is not the most efficient way of handling devices and causes the z network to grind to a halt under certain circumstances - this is a perfect, opportune time to fix this.

Today, Vera will send any change to a battery device straight away, it then tries again 3 times before failing (because its asleep) and then defaults to a long wait for the device to wake up. During these 3 retries the z network is VERY slow, other devices can take 30 seconds or longer to respond whilst Vera gets stuck in its retry and fail loop. If there are any other battery devices that have a change sent during this time, then there are huge problems as the entire period becomes exponentially worse (e.g. radiator valves changing temperature when a household wakes up) - various reports on this forum list this as minutes for even just a light to be turned on.

The issue is quite simply a battery device will spend most of is time asleep, the chances of Vera managing to send its change in the few seconds that the device wakes are incredibly small - so why bother with any Vera retries at all ?

The better algorithm is for Vera to not do any retries at all for battery devices - then the network remains active and does not get bogged down with unnecessary traffic and processing. When the battery device wakes up, it will poll Vera who will then send the update.

Simples - but please, please, please change this.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: koburg on August 17, 2014, 10:54:02 pm

Please, please, please..........can we ensure that UI7 handles battery devices in an improved way. It's an easy fix but the existing UI5 way is not the most efficient way of handling devices and causes the z network to grind to a halt under certain circumstances - this is a perfect, opportune time to fix this.

Today, Vera will send any change to a battery device straight away, it then tries again 3 times before failing (because its asleep) and then defaults to a long wait for the device to wake up. During these 3 retries the z network is VERY slow, other devices can take 30 seconds or longer to respond whilst Vera gets stuck in its retry and fail loop. If there are any other battery devices that have a change sent during this time, then there are huge problems as the entire period becomes exponentially worse (e.g. radiator valves changing temperature when a household wakes up) - various reports on this forum list this as minutes for even just a light to be turned on.

The issue is quite simply a battery device will spend most of is time asleep, the chances of Vera managing to send its change in the few seconds that the device wakes are incredibly small - so why bother with any Vera retries at all ?

The better algorithm is for Vera to not do any retries at all for battery devices - then the network remains active and does not get bogged down with unnecessary traffic and processing. When the battery device wakes up, it will poll Vera who will then send the update.

Simples - but please, please, please change this.

Good point but you have to write to : rc@getvera.com and support@getvera.com use both. And write on the facebook to. There are not always looking at the forum.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: TC1 on August 18, 2014, 10:05:16 am
Yup. There's no use complaining here. This is a users supporting users forum. Everyone needs to call them out on social media, it's the only way they are ever going to change (or not).
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: dmckenna on August 18, 2014, 11:36:56 am
Yeah I know, all filed, emailed, posted, written to in blood to MCV now - I will however post any positive comments received back here..........
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: dmckenna on August 19, 2014, 05:08:49 am
I'd say that's a result........

see attached.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: koburg on August 19, 2014, 05:44:39 am
Yes i liked the post on facebook and Also comment.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: xAPPO on August 19, 2014, 08:51:29 am
ATM I can't see how to restart LUUP ( or the old 'Reload' ) without power cycling the unit ... ?

Quote
FaceBook response from Vera Control, Ltd.
UI7 automatically saves the changes and restarts the engine whenever it's required. However if you would like to reload the engine you can do it by going from your Dashboard to Apps, then select Develop Apps and under Serial Port Configuration press on the 'Reload Luup' button.

Well... what an intuitive place to put the 'Reload Luup' button - under 'Serial Port configuration'   but at least it's still there.

One tip... if you are using  'Develop Apps' make sure you drag and drop all associated files together as otherwise the Luup engine may automatically restart itself with an incomplete set (or uncheck 'Restart Luup after upload').
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: HaPe on August 19, 2014, 09:37:57 am
LOL, and that page doesn't work. So no way to find it at the moment.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: paulstephenson003 on August 19, 2014, 04:40:46 pm
Are there issues with the Aeon 4 in 1 sensor on UI7?

Under devices I see

4 in 1 sensor - it looks correct and has the Arm option.
_Light sensor - shows %  but no values
_Humidity Sensor - shows 53
_Temperature Sensor - shows no values

Any guidance here and is this the best place to post this info?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Da_JoJo on August 19, 2014, 09:35:55 pm
reload luup engine is in vera-ip/cmh/#zwaveSettings or zwave advanced settings page.
so far UI7-RC upgrade went fine and took 7 minutes. looks nice.. finally some on/off buttons that actually show a picture and work :=)
on/off buttons above the slider of a dimmer still messed up though.
 ip-cam doesn't do PTZ when automaticly added.. > put for 9818/9821W in advanced settings :
device_type: urn:schemas-upnp-org:device:DigitalSecurityCamera:2
device_file:   D_DigitalSecurityCamera2.xml
impl_file:       I_Foscam98HD.xml
device_json: D_DigitalSecurityCamera2.json
(u need to have the I_Foscam98HD.xml file from my post in foscam thread on your vera)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: clippermiami on August 21, 2014, 12:06:04 pm
I've dusted off my Vera Lite with the non-functioning USB and i'm curious if I can get access to UI7 to start testing and perhaps help out in the transition program.

I currently have two Vera 3 in bridged environment and I'm anxious to start moving to UI7
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Mgsmith75 on August 21, 2014, 12:08:28 pm

I've dusted off my Vera Lite with the non-functioning USB and i'm curious if I can get access to UI7 to start testing and perhaps help out in the transition program.

I currently have two Vera 3 in bridged environment and I'm anxious to start moving to UI7

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=26437



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Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: clippermiami on August 21, 2014, 12:18:14 pm

I've dusted off my Vera Lite with the non-functioning USB and i'm curious if I can get access to UI7 to start testing and perhaps help out in the transition program.

I currently have two Vera 3 in bridged environment and I'm anxious to start moving to UI7

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=26437



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

DUH :)
I created my new account and tried to add my VeraLite but it says "not available for assign" Is this due the fact that I have not completed the firmware update as yet? Or it still assigned in the old account?

Thanks
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: clippermiami on August 21, 2014, 12:50:07 pm
Thanks, it's up now under UI7RC. First impression, it's different :-)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: gerardosamara on August 21, 2014, 12:52:03 pm
I got the same error " not AVAILABLE for assign "  and the problem was that The VeraLite was not upgraded to uI7RC before the creation  of the new UI7 account .
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: gtinut on August 22, 2014, 07:52:23 pm
UI6 was showing time when scene would change ( sunset), with UI7 this feature is gone.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: kelpayne on August 23, 2014, 02:22:42 pm
So, is the BETA program basically obsolete now, replaced by the RC program? 

If people are switching from BETA to RC, are they creating yet another login, or sticking with the BETA login?

Are folks going from BETA to RC using the URL for custom firmware option?  (You would think they would just choose the upgrade button option, but it says "You are running the latest version: 1.7.239".

Thanks.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: bigzippy on August 23, 2014, 02:26:31 pm
I upgraded from UI5 and if I ever manage to get onto the VeraLite again it will be to downgrade. Release candidate this ain't. Tedious.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: bbredewold on August 27, 2014, 06:03:17 pm
Please, how can i make a Toggle event in UI7? I used to use ToggleSwitch in the advanced tab of a scene...


edit:

Found it:  http://10.0.0.50:3480/data_request?id=action&DeviceNum=4&serviceId=urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:HaDevice1&action=ToggleState
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Chris H. on August 31, 2014, 11:26:05 pm
This is not even beta ready. I went from a fully functioning UI5 system to not even being able to turn my lights on now, scenes don't run, 13 devices failed to load.

In the process of trying to downgrade back to UI5 just to get control of my house back. Very disappointed in the testing team. The UI is BIG, some of the features look like they might be cool but the web page is nothing but a bunch of scrolling. I can see you are trying to go the route of an iOS or Tiles look, but for the love of God, the tiles do not need to be that big taking up that much space.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: paulstephenson003 on September 01, 2014, 07:22:47 pm
Experiences with RC and general user experience issues.

Overall the Vera3 automation setup was not easy.  this is coming from a very new to home automation person that is skilled in IT type systems - virtualization, firewalls, load balancers, switches, devops, databases, wifi, etc... 

This thread is specific to the beta and RC, so I'd say it was pretty difficult to understand how to get the initially loaded software in a state where I could find it on the network and configure it before moving to the newest RC.  There was too much confusion between the various UIs (UI5 initially installed and moved to UI7 RC as soon as I got things figured out.)

So for the onboarding UX (user experience score) I give it a 5 out of 10.

After upgrading and finally figuring out how to initially connect to the device there were 3 z-wave devices to configure.

1. Schlage BE469NXCAM716 Camelot Touchscreen Deadbolt with Z-Wave. [front door]
2. Aeon 4 in 1 sensor [garage]
3. Leviton VRMX1-1LZ

1. The Schlage was pretty easy to configure although it doesn't seem to have all the functionality I thought it would have.  I can't seem to figure out how to add PIN codes remotely, but they are viewable.
2. Initial configuration was fairly straightforward, but the first time it didn't pass over all the parameters.  After removing and then re-pairing the device I found some instructions that helped and started receiving the updates.
3. The Leviton was the hardest but mostly b/c I couldn't find instructions for general z-wave addition versus using leviton's software.  I still don't fully understand how the device added and is now working b/c it appeared to have synced on the device but then when I try to unpair the device it showed up as a dimmer control and worked.  Not sure what I did correct or incorrect but it's working now.

So I'm hacking my way through the setup and once things are paired they are going quite well. This is my first user experience so I'm afraid to downgrade to an older version and will just wait for this one to be improved.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: BOFH on September 01, 2014, 08:10:14 pm
In the older UI5 you can remotely set pincodes (Via the Vera Dashboard) for Schlage locksthrough the PIN codes tab when you click the 'wrench' icon on the lock device. I'm surprised this functionality would not be present in UI7.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: paulstephenson003 on September 01, 2014, 10:03:58 pm
I did indeed find the function/feature in the web UI.  It was not in the spot I thought it would be.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: packhawk on September 02, 2014, 10:11:46 pm
 ???  :-\

Luup engine is taking longer to reload message after I went to UI7. the update was going for about 45 minutes and I decided to power cycle. 

I can see it on my network, i can actually log in from getvera.com website.  but i get the spinning Cr-APPLE icon for a few seconds then message

LUUP engine is taking longer to reload with a Try Again option below it.

sux
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: George on September 03, 2014, 03:50:59 am
???  :-\

Luup engine is taking longer to reload message after I went to UI7. the update was going for about 45 minutes and I decided to power cycle. 

I can see it on my network, i can actually log in from getvera.com website.  but i get the spinning Cr-APPLE icon for a few seconds then message

LUUP engine is taking longer to reload with a Try Again option below it.

sux

Try starting a live-chat from the link below, when you're at the same location. Tech support is offered from 3 am to 9 pm EST time, from Monday to Friday.
http://support.getvera.com/customer/portal/chats/new

Thanks.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: HouseBot on September 05, 2014, 02:28:00 pm
http://support.getvera.com/customer/portal/articles/1630795-scenes-tab-creating-your-own-scenes
" or can be based on sunrise/sunset times for you specific location. "

Seems like the sunrise and sunset function is no more in UI7 since I cant find it in scene creation any more.  :'(
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: mszewcz on September 07, 2014, 06:38:19 am
I think you're wrong. It's available in scene creation.
Choose: Schedule > Daily/Weekly/Monthly and you'll see a dropdown: At a time of day.
Other options are: Sunrise, Sunset, Before Sunrise, Before Sunset, After Sunrise & After Sunset.

Regards.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: jaingaurev on September 07, 2014, 06:17:34 pm
Is there an option to associate scenes and rooms as in UI5. I have many scenes and not having the ability to club them has real usability issue.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: HouseBot on September 08, 2014, 03:04:45 am
mszewcz you were correct. It was there  :D
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Yannick on September 08, 2014, 04:53:38 am
I've tried about 5 plugins but all seem to have semi-broken settings pages. Either not saving, or giving javascript errors. For instance the SmartSwitch plugin (javascript errors, dropdowns not working), wake-on-lan (missing labels), IPhone Detector Plugin (not saving), VeraAlerts (nots saving).
Are you guys introducing breaking changes for apps, or was this release not really RC...?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: RexBeckett on September 08, 2014, 05:21:21 am
I believe that most plugins will require some degree of modification to work well under UI7. A number of developers are working to have their plugins support the new UI but it is a moving target - some of the malfunctions are expected to be fixed in the next release but we don't yet know the details.

There is a thread that lists plugins that have been tested under UI7 here (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,26438.0.html).
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on September 08, 2014, 09:26:06 am
There is serious state management  problems in UI7.

To save make any changes I recommend the following.
Before trying to edit/change any Plugin Value ... REFRESH your browser. Otherwise you could wipe out previously saved changes!
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: HouseBot on September 13, 2014, 03:28:25 pm
When I get emails regarding alarms it says:
"Sensor Alert: A sensor named x in room x has been untripped."'
Is it just me or should it not read tripped?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: TC1 on September 13, 2014, 04:27:19 pm

Is it just me or should it not read tripped?

Umm, speaking of grammar...
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: vzhivkov on September 16, 2014, 07:33:02 am
When I get emails regarding alarms it says:
"Sensor Alert: A sensor named x in room x has been untripped."'
Is it just me or should it not read tripped?

Yes, I got the same when I tested my smoke detector. I'm using UI7 firmware version 1.7.318
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: reardorw on September 30, 2014, 09:17:53 am
I have been using a Remotec ZFM-80 for over a year as a garage door push-button without problems.  Since I upgraded to UI7, it does not work.  Has anybody else had a problem like this? It shows up as an IR Transmitter with no way to change it from the interface.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: vzhivkov on September 30, 2014, 10:00:54 am
reardorw , did you install the latest update - 1.7.374 ? I had problems with the previous version of UI7 but when yesterday I installed this update which is the official UI7 release I got my problems fixed.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: reardorw on October 02, 2014, 11:16:55 pm
Yes, I am using 1.7.374. Could you tell me What device file you have in the Advanced settings? I have D_IRTransmitter1.xml. I wonder if that got messed up during the upgrade. Thanks.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: vzhivkov on October 03, 2014, 02:30:18 am
I had problems with other devices that I had resolved with this update. I recommend you to write to Mi Casa Verde support from your menu Users & Account info and then Tech support.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: libby2cm on October 14, 2014, 09:09:23 pm
Is the device update plugin still valid with ui7?

Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: svaleb on October 26, 2014, 11:27:40 am
I have had enough.
I have been on ui6 and ui7 since the first unlucky release of ui6 and after that looking forward to a usable release of ui7.
"Give us a few weeks..." and I have...now for more than 1/2 a year and I have still not seen anything usable.
I WAS WARNED this could take time. I agree.
Ui7 is  still not working but what is worse : I dont even like the layout. Compared to ui5 it is unpractical. I dont have acces to the things I want on the screen.
I dont want to go agenst progress, but ui7 is a step backwards. I miss the overview.
I know that some day I will have to go to a new ui but let it be one with genuine progress and someting that works.
I will go back to ui5.
Regards CE
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: koburg on October 28, 2014, 04:01:37 am
If you write this on Facebook you get more responce from vera.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: integlikewhoa on October 31, 2014, 12:23:36 am
I have had enough.

I WAS WARNED this could take time.

I will go back to ui5.

What took you so long? I stayed on ui5 after pages of ui7 problems, thermostates not working, PLEG not working.
Besides it looks prettier (which don't mean crap from my phones and tablets) no one has given a reason or features to upgrade for.
Pages of complaints from people that were warned not to upgrade, and did it anyways. It really doesn't seem logical.

UI5 works, and nothing gained from ui7 yet. I think people are just drawn to a higher number or just always want the latest without reading (the change log)what the update even does or doesn't do.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: xAPPO on November 01, 2014, 08:41:38 am
If you write this on Facebook you get more responce from vera.

If you write it on a PostIt note on your fridge you do too ;-)
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: koburg on November 04, 2014, 10:08:39 am

Quote
If you write it on a PostIt note on your fridge you do too ;-)

All my post on facebook they have answered thanks!
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: jaypeder on February 21, 2015, 08:40:00 pm
I have an LRM-AS and LTM-5.  I need to associate these devices in UI7.  I cannot find any way of doing so.  Can someone please help?

Thanks,  Jay
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: integlikewhoa on March 03, 2015, 03:08:09 pm
I have an LRM-AS and LTM-5.  I need to associate these devices in UI7.  I cannot find any way of doing so.  Can someone please help?

Thanks,  Jay

You should post this question in the lighting and load control section.

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/board,25.0.html
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: sre on January 02, 2016, 05:25:20 pm
I dont know if it is beta release or firm.  My other users are unable to log in.  The log in is successful but the controllers are not listed.  Incidentally the altUI appears to work for them !
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Pietor on May 19, 2016, 04:12:38 am
IOS beta app: IOS Testlfight says the beta app will expire in 16 hours. Any change of a new update? Otherwise the app will be useless and disabled for beta testers  ???.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: alaska99 on May 19, 2016, 05:10:58 pm
Development is completely stopped since Nortek purchased Vera... Same thing was happened with 2Gig when they was purchased by Nortek too...  :'(
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: tomgru on May 19, 2016, 09:19:39 pm
Development is completely stopped since Nortek purchased Vera... Same thing was happened with 2Gig when they was purchased by Nortek too...  :'(
And you know this how?  Because you haven't seen a firmware update? 
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Pietor on May 23, 2016, 03:53:00 am
Just for the record, new beta IOS app in testflight and working perfectly again.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: integlikewhoa on May 27, 2016, 03:24:24 pm
Development is completely stopped since Nortek purchased Vera... Same thing was happened with 2Gig when they was purchased by Nortek too...  :'(
And you know this how?  Because you haven't seen a firmware update?

Speaking of firmware updates....... Last one was Jan. right?
This is probley a record I'm guessing. 
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: revrenhex on May 27, 2016, 06:37:46 pm
Development is completely stopped since Nortek purchased Vera... Same thing was happened with 2Gig when they was purchased by Nortek too...  :'(

http://nextmarket.co/blogs/smarthomeweekly/148903367-deal-analysis-nortek-buys-25-of-mios-vera


How would this kill off Vera development?
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: integlikewhoa on June 06, 2016, 12:17:05 pm
How would this kill off Vera development?

Don't know but It's been almost 6 months (5.5 months now?) since any software/firmware release. Those used to come around every month maybe a month late. Have you seen anything new, updated or changed? Plus came out during the beginning of that time but it was already in the works before JAN and besides releasing it late nothing has been corrected or fixed at all that I'm aware of.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: alaska99 on June 18, 2016, 10:44:02 am
When release and beta stop it's never good. Same things happened with Agnitum developer of Outpost firewall, 10 months after they stop release new version they have been sell to Yandex and their software killed. Slowdown in development is never sign of good news and healthy company...
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Mobilniy on June 18, 2016, 05:58:59 pm
Development is in progress. Some users already have newer firmware from support.
It's all about new monitoring service.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: hellovn on June 18, 2016, 08:05:21 pm
When release and beta stop it's never good. Same things happened with Agnitum developer of Outpost firewall, 10 months after they stop release new version they have been sell to Yandex and their software killed. Slowdown in development is never sign of good news and healthy company...

Too bad, I think you are right  :( :(
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Mobilniy on June 19, 2016, 05:40:58 am
You're wrong
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on June 19, 2016, 08:39:55 am
That picture tells a LOT!

Notice Security Monitoring in the center focus of the picture.
Notice the: "Device responding again" message ... meaning it previously was NOT!

Does your Vera with the current Firmware have connectivity to all devices 7x24 ?
Would you buy a security system and/or pay a monthly fee for a system that did not have 7x24 reliability ?

If the next firmware release and planned revenue stream is focused on security ... they have a lot of work to do on RELIABILITY.
 
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: BOFH on June 19, 2016, 11:15:23 am
You're wrong

Someone is a part of the CMS beta. And the security monitoring slide actually defaults to the left. It being in the center is a user setting on which 3 of the 4 current tabs to view.

Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Mobilniy on June 19, 2016, 12:52:35 pm
That picture tells a LOT!

Notice Security Monitoring in the center focus of the picture.
Notice the: "Device responding again" message ... meaning it previously was NOT!

Does your Vera with the current Firmware have connectivity to all devices 7x24 ?
Would you buy a security system and/or pay a monthly fee for a system that did not have 7x24 reliability ?

If the next firmware release and planned revenue stream is focused on security ... they have a lot of work to do on RELIABILITY.
The picture tells only that development is in progress. Just because you're hearing doesn't mean you're listening.
I don't have to justify "Device responding again" message and you might not believe it, but i have to turn off the electric supply while fixing my roller shutter (where lives fibaro roller shutter) and my ceiling (where lives a smoke sensor) if I want to stay alive.
I use an Edge (EU) unit since december 2014 (1,5 years) and it's 100% reliable for a year, 24x7, as you said. I have more than 50 devices from Aeon, Fibaro, Philio, Qubino, Everspring, Eurotronic (switches, dimmers, sensors, thermostats).
I don't mix security system with smart home system, but i linked them together through dry contacts and pretty happy.
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Mobilniy on June 19, 2016, 01:09:37 pm
You're wrong

Someone is a part of the CMS beta. And the security monitoring slide actually defaults to the left. It being in the center is a user setting on which 3 of the 4 current tabs to view.
You're right.
But it's not a single feature. :)

Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: hellovn on June 19, 2016, 01:13:40 pm
You're wrong

Someone is a part of the CMS beta. And the security monitoring slide actually defaults to the left. It being in the center is a user setting on which 3 of the 4 current tabs to view.
You're right.
But it's not a single feature. :)

Thanks Mobilniy. Although all of the new features you showed, I still see a "can't detect device" message in your dashboard   ??? ???
Title: Re: Vera UI7 Beta Program
Post by: Mobilniy on June 19, 2016, 02:03:13 pm
Thanks Mobilniy. Although all of the new features you showed, I still see a "can't detect device" message in your dashboard   ??? ???
I'm still fixing my roller shutter :( it's not a Vera's fault.