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Title: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: automator.app on January 21, 2012, 04:33:50 pm
apologies for the multiple posts -- I was having problems with my forum reader.

Vera 2 / 1.5.254

I have a brand new GE 45600 scene controller.  I have defined 9 different scenes to be triggered by "A Scene is active" for this device.  Each scene has a single trigger and is assigned to a different button.

After defining all scenes I re-included the scene controller (hold SETUP, press 9-6-7) to resync/transfer scenes with vera.

Pressing the buttons triggers the assigned scenes as expected; however, most of the buttons also the scene not assigned to that button, but to another button.

If I press on for scene #1, it runs the scene associated with #1 (correct).
If I press on for scene #2, it runs the scene associated with #2 and scene #1.
For #3 it runs #3 and #2.
For #4 it runs #4 and #1.
For #5 it runs #5.
For #6 it runs #6 and #2.
For #7 it runs #7 and #1.
For #8 it runs #8 and #1.
For #9 it runs #9 and #2.

This is verified by watching the dashboard as I press each button and seeing both the correct and wrong scenes run.

Anyone else seeing this behavior?

Bug entered.  http://bugs.micasaverde.com/view.php?id=2083
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: Ap15e on January 22, 2012, 09:00:00 am
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,5614.0.html might be related.
Title: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: automator.app on January 22, 2012, 12:20:49 pm
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,5614.0.html might be related.

I don't have access to that forum -- can you summarize?
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: Ap15e on January 22, 2012, 04:03:01 pm
Sorry for the link to the private forum.

Summary:
Scene button 8 of my Remotec Z-URC 550EU (node id 185 and id 16853) activates the corresponding scene and a device that is part of a scene that is assigned to scene button 1.

Related topics:
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=4697.msg27909#msg27909
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=1960.msg7383#msg7383


Bug report:
http://bugs.micasaverde.com/view.php?id=1395
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: automator.app on January 22, 2012, 04:15:54 pm
Bug report:
http://bugs.micasaverde.com/view.php?id=1395

Thanks, Ap15e.  That bug was entered just under a year ago and  assigned 6 months ago...  What's the over/under on this being fixed before the aeon labs outdoor multi-sensor is released?

Luckily I know a better way to run scenes from a hand held device :)
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: khyizang on March 05, 2012, 06:06:33 am
I just upgraded to the lastest UI5 beta and thought I'd give this a go to see if it got fixed.  Nope.

Press button #1 and the correct scene runs and verified in Vera display.
Press button #2 and the correct scene runs
Press button #3 (nothing programmed to that button) and scene #1 runs but pressing off on button #3 doesn't turn off the device
Press button #4 and the correct scene runs
Press button #5 and scene #1 runs again and can't be turned off using button #5
Press button #6 (nothing programmed to that button)  nothing happens
Press button #7 (nothing programmed to that button)  nothing happens
Press button #8 (nothing programmed to that button)  scene #4 runs again and can't be reversed using button #8
Press button #9 (nothing programmed to that button)  nothing happens

If something is assigned to button #3 and/or #5, the assigned scene will run AND scene #1 will also run.  Vera status for both scenes confirm that both were run by single 45600 button press.  Didn't know that a single button press could run more than one scene, but it does.

Assignments to buttons 10-18 cause the remote to flash the green LEDs as if commands are being sent, but nothing happens to devices associated with those buttons and the Vera display does not indicate the scenes have been invoked.

At this point, all I'm able to do with this remote is to run a couple of scenes, and I need to hunt for the buttons that don't cause more than one scene to run at a time. 

Looking in the Advanced tab for the remote device, the list of scenes and the desired button assignments are correct and unique.  Something must be getting screwed up in the communication between Vera and the 45600.  I have a couple of 45600s and they all have similar problems.

While it is nice to have a remote that can manage 4 or so scenes (especially one that is this cheap), that's a far cry from the theoretical 18 possible for the device.  Based upon others who have previously posted to this thread, it's likely that our  troubles are not unique.  Just wanted to share my experience with these gizmos to help others make informed choices.   They may not live up to expectations.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: Turk4U2 on March 11, 2012, 10:42:32 am
It is possible to transfer all network info, including scenes to the secondary controller such that it can operate without VERA.
This means that when pushing a scene button on the remote, the remote sends commands to the devices in the scene.

At the same time, VERA tries to run the same scenes when a scene button is pushed, so it might be that 2 controllers try to run the scenes in parallel.
Is this relevant ?
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: oTi@ on March 15, 2012, 08:04:58 am
Anyone else seeing this behavior?
Got a chance to play with that a bit last night. It's flaky for me also. At first glance, what the remote emits seems consistent / ok.

If you transfer the scenes back to the remote, and then power Vera off, for diagnostic purposes, you may get better behavior.

I'll write a bug report.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: PurdueGuy on March 15, 2012, 01:16:33 pm
I have noticed that things got worse lately.  Before I only had 3-5 scenes, and they were fine.  Maybe the newer firmware changed something?

Now, I have a few more, and they are slightly different.  So sometimes (maybe 40% of the time) when I hit scene 2 (which is nearly identical to scene 3 except for a couple lights should be off in scene 2, but on in scene 3), I get some of the lights popping on and immediately turning off.

It's almost like Vera thinks (well knows) the lights should be off, but the remote thinks they should be on.  So the remote turns them on directly, and when Vera sees the scene button pushed, she turns them right back off.

I'll experiment more tonight.  I'm wondering if this is caused by a "take it slow" problem, like the Monster scene controllers.   We are confusing Vera with too many button presses in too short a time frame?   ???
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: oTi@ on March 15, 2012, 06:22:57 pm
I'm wondering if [...] We are confusing Vera with too many button presses in too short a time frame?
From what I saw it appeared that Vera is interpreting the button presses in a 'funny' way, and multiple times, depending on the button; yet what the remote was sending seemed consistent.

I don't know if it 'ever' worked, say on UI4 with 2.78 Z-Wave (but the remote doesn't seem free of issues, given the problems getting devices assigned to individual buttons (which has been reported in conjunction with controllers other than Vera)).
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: khyizang on March 15, 2012, 07:36:13 pm
I, too, occasionally have seen devices turn on and then immediately turn off again when invoking scenes using the remote.  It seems to happen most frequently when the offending device has recently changed state.  I don't usually see that happen when the devices haven't been altered for some time.

I'm in agreement with oTi@, Vera seems to be the one doing the funny business.  If I watch my control panel after pushing a button on the remote, I can clearly see Vera running the 2 discrete scenes, one appropriately and the other inappropriately.  I didn't imagine that it is possible to invoke two scenes from a single button assigned to a single Vera scene, but I see it all the time when using this combo in Scene mode. 

It's almost as if Vera is interpreting the button press as a Group of scenes wherein it makes up some of the scenes belonging to that group.  Interesting and frustrating at the same time.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: Turk4U2 on March 20, 2012, 08:48:48 am
Did you notice any improvements after the latest firmware releases ?
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: khyizang on March 20, 2012, 03:01:26 pm
I see that you are on 1.5.346.  I just updated to that firmware version.  The strangeness continues concerning the errant scene activations, but I haven't repaired the remote to Vera after the update.  I'll try to do that this evening and get back to you. 

Is there any particular reason to believe this problem was addressed in the latest update?  I imagine it would be good news if this is straightened out as ebay seems to be flooded right now with cheap offers to sell this remote. 
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: Turk4U2 on March 21, 2012, 09:23:37 am
It is an existing bug with remotes according to this:

http://bugs.micasaverde.com/view.php?id=2264
http://bugs.micasaverde.com/view.php?id=2281
There was another bug reported that I can't traqce easily.

So probably not resolved but hopefully given some attention soon.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: khyizang on March 21, 2012, 04:38:26 pm
I had a chance to give it another shot this morning.  The problems continue under the most recent update.  Scenes that weren't applied to buttons tend to run anyway.  In some cases, multiple scenes are invoked with a single button press.  Hitting the off option for a button with an errant scene assignment gives a green flashing led as it tries to undo the mischief but ends with a red led flash to indicate it wasn't successful in it's attempt.

Some of these problems have been worked around by manually assigning groups.  In most instances, I want whole groups of devices to go on or off at the same time.  That works fine.  I guess the main reasons to go with scenes would be situations that require some devices to be turned on while other devices are turned off and/or scenes involving devices using other protocols, is that pretty much it?
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: Turk4U2 on March 21, 2012, 05:01:28 pm
The OFF-button does not work, which is why you see the red flashing LED.
It seems one can only use the ON button to evoke a scene.

I found this one quite useful:
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,1960.msg7383.html#msg7383
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: Turk4U2 on March 21, 2012, 05:15:01 pm
The OFF-button does not work, which is why you see the red flashing LED.
It seems one can only use the ON button to evoke a scene.

I found this one quite useful:
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,1960.msg7383.html#msg7383

So they are working on it:
http://bugs.micasaverde.com/view.php?id=631
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: khyizang on March 21, 2012, 05:21:16 pm
@Turk4U2

I looked at the bug reports you linked to.  I hadn't thought to try unhooking Vera and seeing if the 45600 would run the scenes correctly.  Turns out it does!  The green led flashes much longer than usual with each button press which ends with a single flash from the red led.  Looks like the culprit is Vera and how it is responding to the remote's key presses. 

MCV is missing an opportunity to capitalize upon the situation presented by the current supply of cheap 45600s.   We're talking about X10-like prices.  The remotes are incredibly handy and make living with Vera much more pleasant.  Comparably speaking, the iPhone/iPad options are slower and more cumbersome.   Access to cheap remotes has made it possible to place one in multiple locations.  It's an enabling situation.  I couldn't predict ahead of time how much nicer that would make things.  It's made me more inclined to extend further into the realm of HA. 

It's also helping to win over the Mrs.  She doesn't do geek, but she will, happily, pick up a device and push a button.  The 45000, flawed as it is, has been a turning point for her attitude on all this.   That could be good for MCV.  After our burglary, her comments resulted in quite a few of her friends installing alarm systems and/or updating their existing ones.   If she warms to Vera, maybe her friends will, too.  So, MCV, please fix the problems with this remote ASAP and maybe that will help us help you.

Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: khyizang on March 21, 2012, 05:42:27 pm
@Turk4U2

I've found that the off button does work for scenes, so long as all the devices in the scene are zwave - with the caveat that sometimes the Vera/45600 get their wires crossed and make up things.  Disconnecting Vera made it possible to turn on scenes and turn them off as expected by using the 45600.

The problems I've had with the off button have involved scenes containing INSTEON and/or X10 devices.  Vera/45600 will put those devices to the intended state with the ON button, but the off button only affects the z wave devices.  That problem relates to the problem discussed in the link in your recent post.

Similarly, I've noted that the remote usually ends successful commands with two green led flashes.  The red led flash seems to indicate a problem in communication, either with a device or Vera (which I guess is also a device).  It's not normal for either the ON button response or the Off button response - at least in my limited experiences with the beast.

I continue to be delighted that folks are keeping this topic on the front burner.  I'd love to see this issue resolved.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: kkl on March 21, 2012, 09:12:36 pm
MCV is missing an opportunity to capitalize upon the situation presented by the current supply of cheap 45600s.   

I absolutely agree!  $6/remote is crazy.  Another issue though is that whenever you "update" your 45600, it wipes out the Light and Group associations, so you have to roam round the house to set those up again.  What a PITA.  So for my 45600s, I'm not using Vera-originated scenes and for my HA07, I'm only using Vera scenes and no specific device associations.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: PurdueGuy on March 21, 2012, 09:44:54 pm
Another issue though is that whenever you "update" your 45600, it wipes out the Light and Group associations, so you have to roam round the house to set those up again.  What a PITA.  So for my 45600s, I'm not using Vera-originated scenes and for my HA07, I'm only using Vera scenes and no specific device associations.
I still can't program individual lights, even with with .346.
These remotes must have different firmware versions or something that they are acting different.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: oTi@ on March 21, 2012, 11:21:31 pm
I've found that the off button does work for scenes, so long as all the devices in the scene are zwave -
Precisely. It is the remote that takes care of turning devices off; so that will only work for devices the remote can natively control. There's various previous threads on that.

Being able to control individual devices may be related to the firmware in the remote, as it appears to be working for some users, but not others.

Being able to run the scenes properly may be related to Vera.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: kkl on March 22, 2012, 12:53:10 am
Another issue though is that whenever you "update" your 45600, it wipes out the Light and Group associations, so you have to roam round the house to set those up again.  What a PITA.  So for my 45600s, I'm not using Vera-originated scenes and for my HA07, I'm only using Vera scenes and no specific device associations.
I still can't program individual lights, even with with .346.
These remotes must have different firmware versions or something that they are acting different.
That's odd.  I am running 1.5.346, but I'm also using Z-wave version 2.78 instead of 3.20.  Could the 45600 have a problem with 3.20?
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: PurdueGuy on March 22, 2012, 01:02:39 am
That's odd.  I am running 1.5.346, but I'm also using Z-wave version 2.78 instead of 3.20.  Could the 45600 have a problem with 3.20?
At this rate, anything is possible!

Going to go over this again, just to make sure.
To program a single button on the 45600 to control a single dimmer switch, you do the following:
1) Press/hold SETUP (both red and green blink twice)
2) Press ADD once (red blinks once)
3) Press LIGHT once (red blinks once)
4) Press the digit on the remote you want to assign the device to
5) Press the button on the device (switch/dimmer/module)
6) Green blinks twice to confirm

Is that correct?
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: oTi@ on March 22, 2012, 01:04:47 am
Could the 45600 have a problem with 3.20?
I excluded that (at least as it relates to individual assignments) based on @khyizang's report (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,9903.msg67004.html#msg67004).
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: khyizang on March 22, 2012, 01:28:54 am
Hi PurdueGuy,

The sequence you describe is exactly what I do and works for me.  Current firmware is 1.5.346.   Z wave is reported by Vera to be 3.20 L:1  I'm running UI5 on a Vera3.  I don't have a way to check any of the parameters on the 45600.  In the battery compartment, there are two decals: 8900BG0-R  and G080910.  I have no idea if those are relevant or not.

Vera reports the manufacturer as Universal Electronics Inc.  Capabilities assigned are: 18,134,0,1,1,1,|33,114,134,

Curiously, the LastSceneID is set to 9, even though this unit should be able to invoke 18 scenes using the shift button.   Hmmm.

Maybe somewhere in all that there is an explanation for why we're having such different results with the manual programming.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: PurdueGuy on March 22, 2012, 01:35:13 am
Hi PurdueGuy,

The sequence you describe is exactly what I do and works for me.  Current firmware is 1.5.346.   Z wave is reported by Vera to be 3.20 L:1  I'm running UI5 on a Vera3.  I don't have a way to check any of the parameters on the 45600.  In the battery compartment, there are two decals: 8900BG0-R  and G080910.  I have no idea if those are relevant or not.

Vera reports the manufacturer as Universal Electronics Inc.  Capabilities assigned are: 18,134,0,1,1,1,|33,114,134,

Curiously, the LastSceneID is set to 9, even though this unit should be able to invoke 18 scenes using the shift button.   Hmmm.

Maybe somewhere in all that there is an explanation for why we're having such different results with the manual programming.
My capabilities and manufacturer are identical.  The 1 sticker is the same, the other is not.
They are G093211 and 8900BG0-R
I'm guess one is a date code, and another an internal model number?

I have an unopened 45600 that I might just have to open now!
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: oTi@ on March 22, 2012, 01:36:29 am
Curiously, the LastSceneID is set to 9,[...]
That reminds me, I believe that's another issue with the upper 9 scenes.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: PurdueGuy on March 22, 2012, 01:40:27 am
Curiously, the LastSceneID is set to 9,[...]
That reminds me, I believe that's another issue with the upper 9 scenes.
Mine has "LastSceneID" set to whatever the last scene I invoked from the remote.  So it changes to be a number between 1 and 6 for me (I only have 6 scenes to far programmed to the remote).
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: Turk4U2 on March 22, 2012, 03:44:47 am
Just for clarity:

So the OFF-button works for z-wave devices, but only if the scenes have been transferred to and are run by the remote.
And when only using the remote buttons to trigger devices to be executed by VERA, and NOT by the remote itself, the OFF-buttons do not work which is a limitation by VERA as explained here: http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,1960.msg7383.html#msg7383

Correct ?
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: oTi@ on March 22, 2012, 07:33:07 am
Correct ?
Correct, with the exception that it is a limitation of the remote, not Vera. The remote was designed to be used as a stand-alone device, and not necessarily the way it is being used with Vera.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: kkl on March 22, 2012, 11:30:58 am

Going to go over this again, just to make sure.
To program a single button on the 45600 to control a single dimmer switch, you do the following:
1) Press/hold SETUP (both red and green blink twice)
2) Press ADD once (red blinks once)
3) Press LIGHT once (red blinks once)
4) Press the digit on the remote you want to assign the device to
5) Press the button on the device (switch/dimmer/module)
6) Green blinks twice to confirm

Is that correct?

If you haven't already, you might try clearing the remote first with the 969 code before adding it as a secondary to Vera with 967...Can you add individual lights to the remote when it's the primary (after 969 reset)?
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: kkl on May 02, 2012, 05:11:17 pm
I'm basically just bumping this thread.  I tried again to add scenes from Vera to a 45600.  Got the same result:  1 correct scene runs + 1 incorrect scene runs.  No update on the issue from MCV:  http://bugs.micasaverde.com/view.php?id=2083 (http://bugs.micasaverde.com/view.php?id=2083).  I wonder what the problem is in correcting it.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: PurdueGuy on May 03, 2012, 02:36:24 pm
Given how the remote won't control lights directly (like the instructions say), at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if they remote is sending out false button presses and just confusing things.

Has anyone watched the traffic across the TTY interface to see what is really going on?
Title: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: automator.app on May 03, 2012, 04:02:11 pm
Aaron (MCV) looked into this and bought these remotes to test.  He says it will be fixed in the next firmware.  I have it to test the issue but have not yet had time to verify the issue is resolved.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: kkl on May 03, 2012, 04:59:00 pm
He says it will be fixed in the next firmware.
Great news!  Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: drag0n on May 03, 2012, 05:34:54 pm
I hope this will also be fixed for the Remotec 550 which has a similar bug
http://bugs.micasaverde.com/view.php?id=2264
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: Rafaelmex on May 11, 2012, 08:43:01 pm
Hello:

I have been experiencing erratic scene by the GE 45600 also. I have a Vera2 with firmware 1.1.1350, looking forward to receive Vera 3 and Vera Lite this week, I have done some arrangements of the scenes to try to find a relation of which scene button miss commands which scene.

If I have all 9 scenes programmed I get the same behavior ass automator.app in post
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,9177.msg60370.html#msg60370

If I only control 1 light for each scene from 2 till 9 I get a constant behavior.
2 calls 2
3 calls 3 and 2
4 calls 4 and 3
5 calls 5 and 4
6 calls 6 and 5

9 calls 9 and 8
 
I hope this helps somehow and I will keep track of this issue. I will be testing other controllers as second controller and await for a fix of this bug.

Regards
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: oTi@ on May 14, 2012, 11:36:05 pm
@Rafaelmex,

Welcome!

Right; as far as I've been able to observe, the remote appears to be sending the right information, but the mapping from scenes to buttons inside Vera is off.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: drag0n on June 27, 2012, 12:31:01 pm
Finally fixed in beta 1.5.401  :D
My remotec 550 has now 10 working scene keys.
Scene 0: Off key
Scenes 1 -8, run correctly
Scene 9, runs with shift-1
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: garrettwp on June 27, 2012, 01:30:43 pm
Are you running this build? If you are sorry to inform you that this is a private beta build and does have issues with scene controller. They had to revert the changes and push out a new beta build. Please do not run a build that is not released to the public. You will not get any support.

- Garrett
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: kkl on July 20, 2012, 01:58:01 pm
Somehow, I missed the release of firmware 1.5.408 and didn't get it installed until today.  I was looking forward to trying it out with a 45600 and am disappointed to find similar problems.  I did a factory reset on the 45600, added it to Vera2, created a scene trigger for buttons 1, 2, and 13 to test, and uploaded those to the 45600.  Button 1 controls its scene, but so does buttons 3 and 6 (for On, but not for Off).  I didn't find a duplicate for button 2.  Button 13 (shift 4) is interesting; it seems to control its light for On without going through Vera2.

If scene control is working properly for others, it lends credence to the idea that there are different versions of the 45600 and suggests that MCV used a different version for testing. 
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: Handyman on August 10, 2012, 12:06:20 am
Just to keep the thread alive:

Just got a 45600 with prety low expectations. I just wanted to be able to turn lights on if something goes bump in the night. Coupled successfully with VeraLite. I have scenes set up in VeraLite to turn on all lights, interior lights and exterior lights.

Button 1 linked to every light scene
Button 2 linked to exterior light scene
Button 3 linked to interior light scene

I have found that the buttons generally do what is expected, but Vera loses the ability to accurately determine the state of the lights. For example, if I turn all of the interior lights on and off via the remote, Vera still thinks many of the interior lights are on.

Moreover, buttons 4-9 (which have not been assigned to anything) turn on every light in the house.

In MCV still working on this issue? Since I am only loking to use this thing as a panic button, it isn't a major issue, but they can surely do better...

PS: To whom it may concern: in the verification one must complete to post, you note that granite is a mineral. Granite is in fact an igneous rock composed of several different minerals.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: PurdueGuy on August 10, 2012, 12:10:31 am
I have found that the buttons generally do what is expected, but Vera loses the ability to accurately determine the state of the lights. For example, if I turn all of the interior lights on and off via the remote, Vera still thinks many of the interior lights are on.
Since Vera transfers the scene to the remote, the remote talks directly to the lights/devices, and sets their state.  When the remote does it directly, Vera will be "out of the loop" until the device is polled.  Depending on the size of the network, that can take a while.

What brand of devices?  Certain devices that support the "hail" command (Leviton, Cooper, etc), will report status directly to Vera.  GE & Intermatic won't, so only polling will get the state of the device.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: vinicius.vbf on March 14, 2014, 07:51:29 pm
Hi guys! Sorry to resurrect this old topic, but, 2 years later, I'm still suffering with the wrong scene being activated by both of my remote controllers (GE 45600 and Remotec ZURC500). Was this issue ever corrected? I saw someone saying that the build 1.5.401 had this bug fixed. Is it back on release 1.5.622?

I have a Vera 3 device with UI 5 (1.5.622) and I'm having a really hard time making things to work with it.

Can anyone help me please? Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: thewizardofoz on March 20, 2014, 01:32:20 pm
I am curious about this as well.   With UI6 out, I was hoping there would be a fix.

Does anyone know if the Wayne-Dalton WDHC-20 will work without issues?  I have not seen any posts about it.  It is a 16 scene hand held remote for about $30
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: kirkla79 on March 23, 2014, 11:24:10 pm
I am curious about this as well.   With UI6 out, I was hoping there would be a fix.

Does anyone know if the Wayne-Dalton WDHC-20 will work without issues?  I have not seen any posts about it.  It is a 16 scene hand held remote for about $30

I have the wdhc-20 remote and it has similar issues with buttons running other scenes.  At least on UI5, don't know about UI6.  The first 4 buttons on my remote seems fine but after that it will run scenes other than the one it is suppose to run.

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Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: thewizardofoz on March 24, 2014, 06:53:39 am
@kirkla79
Did you have your remote programmed once and things seems to work correctly and then later on decided to change some scenes and then started having issues?

The GE 45600 remote that I had worked fine when I programmed the first 9 buttons.  When I decided to change a few things and added the back 9 buttons is when it went haywire.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: kirkla79 on March 27, 2014, 07:44:39 pm
@kirkla79
Did you have your remote programmed once and things seems to work correctly and then later on decided to change some scenes and then started having issues?

The GE 45600 remote that I had worked fine when I programmed the first 9 buttons.  When I decided to change a few things and added the back 9 buttons is when it went haywire.

I had the issue after the first time I programmed it.   I do find that when I change things up not all the buttons will have the same issue.  For example, right 5 through 8 will trigger the wrong scenes, but previously on 7 and 8 did.

Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: Fryswatter on April 08, 2014, 11:28:43 pm
Spent 6 hours with the GE 45600 and have read endless posts. Everyone seems to be having the same issues with secondary remote functions and Vera. I have come to the conclusion (at least in my opinion) that vera is to blame for this. If MCV wants to do something about it is not my concern anymore. It has been a problem for years now and with different firmware versions all across the board. I will admit that I had set up a few scenes for the remote when I first got it, and everything was peachy. Out of no where Vera decided to start running alternate scenes alongside the chosen to run. Smartphones don't have this issue when running on the same LAN. I know they are 2 completely different animals (the phone vs. the remote), but I don't have the problem when using the phone. So that goes without saying, that it has something to do with the way secondary remote functions are integrated into firmware. :'(
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: thewizardofoz on April 09, 2014, 05:37:56 am
Exactly.   I have started another trouble ticket, this time about my Intermatic HA07 and HA09 remotes.    I have 3 HA07 and 5 HA09 remotes that have worked just fine for a year and a half.  I added some new devices and wanted to change some scenes around and NOW the HA07s and the HA09s do not work the OFF button anymore since I changed scenes to buttons.  BUT the HA07 and HA09 remotes that I still had not changed, still worked both the ON and OFF buttons for scenes.   At least the GE remotes never really worked with Vera.  These Intermatic remotes were working and then Vera went through some mid-life crisis and decided to change how the remotes are used and now the OFF buttons do not work.

One cool thing that did come of the tech support (2 hour) call.   I learned about TOGGLE STATE for my scenes.   I can use the ON button to start the scene and then use the ON button to toggle the state of the devices in the scene.  Kitchen lamp On with the first press and then the kitchen lamp would go off with the second press.  There are other problems that goes along with this Toggle State,  but the Virtual Switch plug-in can work wonders.  I tried the MultiSwitch plug-in,and it has its uses.  But in this case I could not toggle the state of individual buttons on the MultiSwitch.   I now create a scene that operates a specific Virtual Switch and then its state will be the trigger for a specific scene.   I have a lot of Virtual Switches now,but my remotes function.
I do not plan to try this with my GE 45600 remotes since they were running multiple scenes with one button press.   I do plan to try it on the one GE 45601 I have.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: aaronsquire on April 28, 2014, 08:32:14 pm
Exactly.   I have started another trouble ticket, this time about my Intermatic HA07 and HA09 remotes.    I have 3 HA07 and 5 HA09 remotes that have worked just fine for a year and a half.  I added some new devices and wanted to change some scenes around and NOW the HA07s and the HA09s do not work the OFF button anymore since I changed scenes to buttons.  BUT the HA07 and HA09 remotes that I still had not changed, still worked both the ON and OFF buttons for scenes.   At least the GE remotes never really worked with Vera.  These Intermatic remotes were working and then Vera went through some mid-life crisis and decided to change how the remotes are used and now the OFF buttons do not work.

One cool thing that did come of the tech support (2 hour) call.   I learned about TOGGLE STATE for my scenes.   I can use the ON button to start the scene and then use the ON button to toggle the state of the devices in the scene.  Kitchen lamp On with the first press and then the kitchen lamp would go off with the second press.  There are other problems that goes along with this Toggle State,  but the Virtual Switch plug-in can work wonders.  I tried the MultiSwitch plug-in,and it has its uses.  But in this case I could not toggle the state of individual buttons on the MultiSwitch.   I now create a scene that operates a specific Virtual Switch and then its state will be the trigger for a specific scene.   I have a lot of Virtual Switches now,but my remotes function.
I do not plan to try this with my GE 45600 remotes since they were running multiple scenes with one button press.   I do plan to try it on the one GE 45601 I have.

My controllers hadn't been acting right for a while now and I had taken them all down and put them away on a shelf. Finally got time to get them back out and can't get them working correctly. I can only get mine to work for scene buttons 1 - 6. According to wiki http://docs5.mios.com/doc.php?language=1&manual=1&platform=2&page=ha07,%20ha09,%20intermatic (http://docs5.mios.com/doc.php?language=1&manual=1&platform=2&page=ha07,%20ha09,%20intermatic) the off button only sends back scene zero. These things are pretty much junk now. Went from a 12 button on/off to a 6 button scene controller with off buttons you hope no one presses. Seriously, if these controllers can independantly commicate to a wall switch one and off but can't communicate to vera to do the same thing??? something is wrong.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: PurdueGuy on April 29, 2014, 01:24:02 am
These things are pretty much junk now. Went from a 12 button on/off to a 6 button scene controller with off buttons you hope no one presses. Seriously, if these controllers can independantly commicate to a wall switch one and off but can't communicate to vera to do the same thing??? something is wrong.
They can communicate on and off to Vera, just like any other device in the network.  Unfortunately, they don't convey *enough* information to Vera to be useful.

From the controllers perspective, for each button, it has a list of devices.   Take button 1 for example, with 3 devices, DeviceA, DeviceB, & DeviceC.   It tells all devices "go to scene 1" when you press on, and "turn off" when you press off.   That's the exact same thing it it telling Vera.  It's either "Go to Scene1, or turn off."

From the controllers view, 1-Off, 2-Off....6-Off are all the same for a given device...they are simply "turn off" - so that's what it sends.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: oTi@ on April 29, 2014, 03:22:53 pm
For the GEs and the HA07/09, the off function cannot be distinguished on a per-button basis, as @PurdueGuy said. (This is simply a limitation of using the remotes and Vera this way; it is not a Vera issue.)

I haven't looked at this in quite a while, so the following observations may be dated, but IIRC, you should be able to 'program' the remotes locally on the remote itself, per its own instructions, after you include the remote into Vera's network. You will then have on/off/dim functionality per button. The GEs also have their own notion of a scene, but Vera can (with limitations) translate a Vera scene to a GE scene, if you re-include the remote after setting up the scene. The scene is then 'run' by the remote.

Letting the GE run the scene, as opposed to having Vera run the scene due to pressing a button on the GE (which should work after a single include), can be beneficial, due to recent issues that are believed to be part of Vera's firmware.

Also, you can consider setting up a scene that polls all lights controlled by, say, an HA09, to get some form of 'instant' status, after you press an off button.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: thewizardofoz on April 29, 2014, 11:31:04 pm
I was incorrect on my previous post about the MultiSwitch plugin.  I have now opted for 4 MultiSwitches and program the ON buttons of the remotes to operate a MS button which will then trigger a scene.   I also have some remotes set up this way and then have a couple of buttons that will operate light directly from the remote without going through Vera at all.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: jaingaurev on September 01, 2014, 03:18:22 am
I am encountering same issue with Jasco 45600.

Pressing Scene 1 invokes both scene 1 and scene 7
Pressing Scene 2 is ok
Pressing Scene 3 invokes scene 3 and scene 6
Pressing Scene 4 is ok
Pressing Scene 5 is ok
Pressing Scene 6 invokes scene 3 and scene 6
Pressing Scene 7 invokes both scene 1 and scene 7
Pressing Scene 8 is ok
Pressing Scene 9 does nothing as it is not assigned - correct behavior
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: oTi@ on September 08, 2014, 09:01:00 am
I am encountering same issue with Jasco 45600.
Correct; unfortunately, this can happen with the 45600. Referencing another thread (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,13933.0.html) on this.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: insane on June 10, 2017, 04:01:15 pm
I am curious about this as well.   With UI6 out, I was hoping there would be a fix.

Does anyone know if the Wayne-Dalton WDHC-20 will work without issues?  I have not seen any posts about it.  It is a 16 scene hand held remote for about $30

I have the wdhc-20 remote and it has similar issues with buttons running other scenes.  At least on UI5, don't know about UI6.  The first 4 buttons on my remote seems fine but after that it will run scenes other than the one it is suppose to run.

Sent from my SGH-I317 using Tapatalk

I know this is a very old thread, but....  I've got the wdhc20, and only the All-ON and All-OFF respond.  I set scenes to other buttons, but none work.  Do you remember what you did?  Thanks.
Title: Re: UI5: Scene Controller Running Wrong Scene
Post by: Fryswatter on June 10, 2017, 04:19:38 pm
I am curious about this as well.   With UI6 out, I was hoping there would be a fix.

Does anyone know if the Wayne-Dalton WDHC-20 will work without issues?  I have not seen any posts about it.  It is a 16 scene hand held remote for about $30

I have the wdhc-20 remote and it has similar issues with buttons running other scenes.  At least on UI5, don't know about UI6.  The first 4 buttons on my remote seems fine but after that it will run scenes other than the one it is suppose to run.

from my SGH-I317 using Tapatalk

I know this is a very old thread, but....  I've got the wdhc20, and only the All-ON and All-OFF respond.  I set scenes to other buttons, but none work.  Do you remember what you did?  Thanks.

My opinion would be to send it back. With today's IOT and microcontroller embedded ESP8266 chips out there, you will get a hell of alot better results. In other words, if you are capable of doing so, build your own remote. The challenge and results will be worth it. This is just my opinion.
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