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Title: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: Sorin on November 29, 2018, 04:50:55 am
Let me start by thanking the passionate, dedicated and committed people who will be willing to do the hard work and sprint with us to build something important for our community and it's users.

The VeraMobile Beta app is where we test our newest features and app updates. The VeraMobile Beta app functions just like the normal VeraMobile app, but you also get to help us hunt bugs, improve usability, and try features before public release.

To participate in this testing program, you must request access to join the Android Beta Group (https://goo.gl/14dQSg) first. Once you're accepted to be a Beta tester, yo'll need to follow the instructions on how to download the Beta app (https://goo.gl/aHDnP9).

Feel free to discuss here but for direct input to the Android team please use the aforementioned Beta discussion group  (https://goo.gl/14dQSg)to report bugs, feedback, and usability improvements.

The highlights of this release are:


Various other issues identified on previous releases.


Live long and prosper!
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: jlind on November 29, 2018, 09:42:00 am
Signed up and installed.  Thanks for allowing me to help.
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: TrevorW on November 29, 2018, 05:45:58 pm
Signed up and joined
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: TrevorW on November 30, 2018, 04:23:30 am
I signed up to the beta using a different phone (didn't want to bork my main phone) and created a "Basic" beta user on my vera edge. I already have geofencing setup on my main phone/standard android app/administrative user, with a geofence created. On the beta phone I enabled geofencing, do I have to create another geofence on this phone (because it says that I don't have permission to do this), or is the geofence that I created for the main user that one that gets acted upon?
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: Sorin on November 30, 2018, 04:56:43 am
Hi Trevor, thank you for joining.

I think the issue is the Basic user which if I remember well is limited to not use Geofence triggers.
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: Inzax on November 30, 2018, 07:49:16 am
Android S7 Samsung.

Seems slightly faster however, I still find myself getting to the door, in the house before Vera App sees me inside the geofence.  My geofence is set up at 600 yards.  Obviously, I will have to increase the size of the geofence? 

Wondering if there is a recommended geofence radius?
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: TrevorW on November 30, 2018, 11:13:26 am
Hi Trevor, thank you for joining.

I think the issue is the Basic user which if I remember well is limited to not use Geofence triggers.

OK I'll up the permissions of the beta user
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: Scarab on December 04, 2018, 10:09:20 am
Just out of curiosity?  This is a complete re-write so why is it an app?  Most companies are moving to PWAs due to the incredible inconsistency in the Android kernel creating an inability to support apps on the OS.  Other companies that require an actual app for now have dropped support for all but Google, Samsung, and in some cases LG devices with all others being "best effort".  One such example is Salesforce (small company you may have heard of). 

I could be wrong but from what I understand the only benefit to the app would be the ability to open it offline, location services, notifications, speed, and the ability to use non-standard protocols.  Which for mobile web most of those aren't even a factor anymore.  PWA none of them are with the slight exception that it may be difficult to use non-standard protocols but as this is a standards based platform that shouldn't be an issue.  PWAs can even be installed through the app store and could even work like the current website and talk to the device locally instead of through the internet relay when needed.  It also means one PWA works for Android mobile. Chromebook, Windows 10, Windows 10 S, Windows Mobile 10, and Mac (iPhone has more limited support to my knowledge). 
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: Ionut A on December 04, 2018, 11:35:39 am
Android S7 Samsung.

Seems slightly faster however, I still find myself getting to the door, in the house before Vera App sees me inside the geofence.  My geofence is set up at 600 yards.  Obviously, I will have to increase the size of the geofence? 

Wondering if there is a recommended geofence radius?

Hi Inzax,

You can find our recommendations for the Geofencing settings in the Android VeraMobile? application in the URL below. By default, the radio is set to 100m, but we recommend increasing it to 250m or more.

https://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2934335-geofence-explained-for-android-app?b_id=712
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: Inzax on December 04, 2018, 07:11:21 pm
Kept fence at 600 radius.  It is working more reliably now without me tinkering.  NO idea why. 

Events I have notifications for are less reliable but I am ok with that if Geofence is MORE reliable.  For instance I have the notification option associated with crossing the geofence and ONE trigger to set security system that also has a notification.  Typically, back in the day, I would get both notifications.  Now on this beta, I get one or the other and rarely both.  I'll probably just scale back to security system notification since that tells me all I want to know.   The double notification was one of those things I set up and never fixed.
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: Sammy2 on December 04, 2018, 07:38:01 pm
I'm in.

I want the app to look more exactly like the web page whereupon all my plugins like Pool Control are fully functional.

In the app? Not so much.
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: Sorin on December 06, 2018, 04:35:01 am
Good day everyone.

The mysterious time zone changes were indeed affecting the Android beta users, but this was, in fact, part of a deeper implementation of a timezone mechanism which was reverted in the latest Android Beta push.
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: zedrally on December 06, 2018, 03:34:30 pm
My advice to anyone contemplating trying this Beta is NOT to use it on a working system.


It has caused greif with PLEG, RFXCom and Broadlink.
Use in a sandpit only.

I had tried to post this to the Beta group but it was rejected.
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: Sorin on December 07, 2018, 03:12:53 am
Hey, zedrally, I'm sorry to hear that.

The purpose of the Beta group and invite is to gather as much feedback as we can. There's no kind of pre-approval or rejection or messages.

Here's the group: https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=forum&utm_campaign=Android+Beta#!forum/vera-android-testers

And it shouldn't be any connection between the mobile apps and the plugins on your Vera, besides the fact that you simply won't be able to control them from the mobile app, since that's not supported yet. There's no other way a mobile app can interfere with any of the existing plugins.
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: zedrally on December 07, 2018, 04:34:56 pm
^^^
Well I disagree with your statement.
The Mobile App updated the FW on the Home Vera, the first I knew about it was when I logged into the GUI and it didn't go through the "checking for update" sequence, then the AC's wouldn't kick in when the temp went over 26C.
Checking the GUI showed that the FW was upgraded which in turn stopped Broadlink communication, further evaluation also showed that PLEG was not working as it should. I'll be looking into it today as I would prefer to use updated FW, if it doesn't I'll need to revrt back to the last known working version.
 

Not a huge problem but had I known that it would update then I would not have used that Vera, rather a sandbox one.






Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: zedrally on December 07, 2018, 05:10:21 pm
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Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: Sorin on December 10, 2018, 10:00:35 am
Sorry to hear that. Most likely it's a mistake
I've asked around what's the deal with that message. I'll keep you posted.
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: JackTheMan18 on December 10, 2018, 08:53:31 pm
Hello.
Is this product going to allow for (more than just simplistic) logic constructs to make up a real rules engine? Or, will we have to continue using all of those extra
s like PLEG etc.
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: Sorin on December 18, 2018, 08:07:53 am
Part of the new venture, we're proud to announce that VeraMobile 7.0.28 is LIVE. (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vera.android&hl=en)
We're launching an update that is the product of the last few months of planning, hard work, stabilization and incredibly insightful input from our community and customers.

We're excited to see it go live, and we're excited about what it means for all of our legacy customers moving forward.

So, what exactly changed?

Most notable

Geofence - Improvement: Updated geofence mechanism to work with the new limitations on Android 8/9
Geofence: Fixed  the issue where concurrent geofence updates were not properly handled

New Features


Fixes and Improvements


Fixed and stabilized hundreds of other identified issues on previous releases.

As always, if you have any feedback or issues with the new release we'd love to hear it through any of the available channels.
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: jlind on December 18, 2018, 10:16:36 am
Is there any chance we can create a user account level that is ONLY geofence with no other access level?  Just the Vera app logged in so that it notifies of geofence settings? 

My reasoning is that I have some things that can be turned on/off that I don't necessarily want my young child having the ability to do, yet I'd like to turn the furnace/Air Conditioner on when he gets home from school.  Additionally, I have a back room that has a playstation/TV that gets shutdown automatically after inactivity.  I don't want them to be able to turn it back on without asking me first.  You see, I've had them get up at 2am on a school night to play it and I can't hear it from my bedroom...
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: jlind on December 18, 2018, 12:03:20 pm
I suppose I could create a no-notifications type of basic user for my young kids.

Second suggestion is when I enable geofence, why do I only get the options of arm/disarm for security sensors?  I'd like to have the option of "no change" included or have the option to disable sensor arming associated with geofence.  Geofence alone isn't good enough to know when someone is home because it requires a device to be carried at all times (costly and not feasible with young kids).  This also has to be a registered device (not feasible with extended relatives staying).  I use the combination of motion, device ping, and now geofence to determine if someone is home or not.  Only when all fail to register within x minutes, I then arm my sensors. 
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: jlind on December 19, 2018, 11:07:38 am
I like how the geofencing is working right now with the Android app, my wife's iOS version wasn't updating as of this morning.  For Android, it's been working flawless for the past 48 hours or so. 

Unfortunately it's still useless for me to use this app as my primary application on my phone.  I have a LOT of devices, probably over 150 in 21 rooms and that doesn't include a bunch of scenes.  The amount of scrolling is crazy.  Imperihome isn't great with it, but at least it's left/right for rooms make it somewhat bearable.  Also, I'd prefer to have scenes and devices together which would only compound Vera's apps issues with scrolling.  Having to go through a separate menu to turn 3 lights on at once instead an individual light on just adds to the "this isn't saving me time or effort" feeling and increases my "my wife isn't going to use this" sense.
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: packman on December 27, 2018, 06:20:48 pm
OMG I've had issues with geofencing since day one and then all of a sudden it's been working perfectly for the last week. Didn't realize it got updated until I seen this discussion. Thank You!
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: jlind on January 02, 2019, 11:17:50 am
It seems that when my phone or the app gets updated, then the geofencing stops working because the app is closed.  I have to reopen the app for it to work.  I wish the app would autostart the geofencing service.  My wife and kids don't usually use the app and I'd like for it to essentially be transparent for them while keeping the geofencing functioning. 

Second, it seems when I start the app in a separate location from when it closed down it won't reapply the correct geofence location.  For instance if my phone gets updated at night while on the charger and then I don't notice it until I'm at work, the app will still continue to register me as at home.
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: ivx on January 19, 2019, 04:15:02 am
Hi,

Is there any way to change alarm notification sound and duration. For example fire alarm goes off, i just don't want android just to do one "dong" ?
Title: Re: Invitation to VeraMobile Android (Beta) Discussions
Post by: tomtcom on January 19, 2019, 07:35:01 pm
Hi,

Is there any way to change alarm notification sound and duration. For example fire alarm goes off, i just don't want android just to do one "dong" ?
Apps that don't have custom notification sounds coded in leverage the notification system of Android. So without Vera adding this into the app you are stuck with whatever you have set for default sounds on the phone.

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