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Title: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 18, 2012, 11:30:08 am
UPDATE:

I've started my Z-wave curtain installation.

Part 1 (http://windowsmediacenter.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/budget-z-wave-curtain-tracks-with-vera.html) Overview

Part 2 (http://windowsmediacenter.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/budget-z-wave-curtain-tracks-with-vera_28.html) Un-boxing kit

Part 3 (http://windowsmediacenter.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/budget-z-wave-curtain-tracks-with-vera_65.html) Installation and Wiring

Part 4 (http://windowsmediacenter.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/budget-z-wave-curtain-tracks-with-vera_30.html) - Wiring continued (wall switch)

Part 5 (http://windowsmediacenter.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/budget-z-wave-curtain-tracks-with-vera_47.html)- Vera setup and remote control options

Hello

I've been looking in to affordable electric curtain tracks and the possibility of Z-wave integration with Vera etc. From what I have read so far there appears to be two options in my price range.

Curtain Call - CL-800 (http://0063da9.netsolhost.com/product1_800.html) CL-820 wiring diagram here (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,12225.msg89271.html#msg89271)

I believe these are manufactured in the USA by this company (http://0063da9.netsolhost.com/about.html) ?

There is also another kit called CL-810T (http://www.powercurtain.com/product1_800.html) by Power Curtain. I can't tell the difference and the CL-800 and CL-810T kits appear to be the same thing?

HC China Limited - HT-100 (http://exp-china.com/archives/2012/html/electric-curtain/2_meter_motorized_curtains_ht100_2m.html) Also known as CT-220 (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Window-width-2-2-Meter-DIY-Electric-Motorized-Remote-control-Curtains/514748336.html) on sites like Aliexpress. HT-100 wiring diagram here (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,12225.msg89846.html#msg89846)

The china kit is about half the price of the USA kit.

As for Z-wave integration I can only find one useful thread on the Domotica forum here (http://www.domoticaforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=7183). In particular this post here (http://www.domoticaforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=7183#p57487) where he discusses the wiring method used for connecting a Z-wave.me Duwi blind control module (http://en.z-wave.me/content/flush-mountable-switch-dimmer-and-blind-control). User manual for this module can be seen here (http://en.z-wave.me/docs/ZME_0643x_UserManual.pdf). Although from reading this thread on the Domotica forum it is not clear which kit he is using the CL-800 or the HT-100.

Does anyone have any more experience with these products or manufacturers?

Looking forward to hearing your replies.

Thanks

EDIT: Another option now: NWD Z-wave curtain motor (http://www.whwharton.cn/product/618367089-213085870/NWD_z_wave_smart_home_EU_Curtain_motor.html?tracelog=cgsotherproduct1) with Dooya curtain tracks (http://en.dooya.com/products_3.html) ! Wiring diagram here (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,12225.msg89794.html#msg89794)

Electric Curtain tracks / motors table:
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 18, 2012, 01:01:57 pm
I just got an email reply from the RemoteControlCurtain (http://www.remotecontrolcurtain.com/) company:

"We are the factory in China and sale office in NY USA.
We have dealers as our selling partners.

CL-800 is the initial model# in 2007, then CL-810T in 2009 with certain improvements and
now CL-820 (just a couple months ago) with more improvements as the latest model.

The system can be dry contacted with relays to 3rd party control, see attached as specifications .DOC

You may view pictures of the system at the link here (https://profiles.google.com/RemoteControlCurtain/photos).

The prices  include the following:
- Motorized Track w/ Motor & Power Adaptor
- Remote Control w/ 3 AAA Batteries
- Wall Mountable Control Pad
- Accessories such as Track Connectors, Mounting
  Brackets, Control Pad Cable, Adjustment Wrench,
  Screws,.....
 
Basically, all necessary hardware for automation is included,
except "fabric"  -- the curtain itself is not included.
 
The CL-800 system plugs into any wall outlet.
 
Remote Control is using infrared technology and it can
be learned by all Universal Remote Controls in the market.
(Can teach my Logitech Harmony!)
 
You have choices of the following:
   i) Center Opening, Left Pull or Right Pull.
  ii) Wall Mount Brackets or Ceiling Mount Brackets.
 
     Please specify them when placing the order.
 
Connectivity (5-pin port) to other systems such as Home Automation System
or Home Theater System is available at $45 additional.
(Assuming I need this then?)
 
There are options you may purchase now or later for upgrades:
i) Timer Control  -------
    - pre-set 2 openings and 2 closings daily for each system on a weekly cycle
ii) 1- to-5 Remote Control  --------
     - operate multiple systems (up to 5 channels) with 1 single remote control."

Retail pricing:

Electric Remote Controlled Curtain System CL-820:
        Track Size       Price
             5'                $ 215
             8'                $ 230   
           10'                $ 245                 
           13'                $ 285   
           16'                $ 355   
           20'                $ 495                 
           26'                $ 595                 
           32'                $ 725         
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 18, 2012, 01:47:48 pm
This makes more sense looking at the two photos, the first one is the standard wall controller, the second photo is the wall controller with 5 pin connectivity cable for HA systems. So just need to work out what wires to connect where in to the Z-wave.me Duwi blind module ?



Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 18, 2012, 02:10:51 pm
Curtain Call - HA Control Connections: I only need a single motor i.e. Curtain A. Curtain B is for a dual motor setup (Sheer).

<Connection>
SW1: Close & Stop (for Curtain A [fabric])
SW2: Open & Stop (for Curtain A [fabric])
SW3: Close & Stop (for Curtain B [sheer])
SW4: Open & Stop (for Curtain B [sheer])

BLACK PA0 touchs YELLOW PA1 = (A Curtain) Close / Stop
BLACK PA0 touchs GREEN PA2 = (A Curtain) Open / Stop
BLACK PA0 touchs BLUE PA3 = (B Curtain) Close / Stop
BLACK PA0 touchs RED PA4 = (B Curtain) Open / Stop


Looking at the Z-wave.me Duwi Blind module wiring diagram:

There are 5 connections on the Duwi blind module:

L = Live (Mains 240V)
N = Neutral (Mains 240V)
~1 = 24V Live wire for Open Curtains (GREEN Wire)
~2 = 24V Live wire for Close Curtains (YELLOW Wire)
COM = Common (Neutral from Curtain wall controller / motor?) Not sure about this?
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: frichter09 on October 18, 2012, 02:16:23 pm
This looks promising guys.
I might order one just to see how it works.
Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 18, 2012, 02:25:08 pm
This looks promising guys.
I might order one just to see how it works.
Thanks for posting!

If your in the UK? I can probably supply, as I just got some dealer pricing from them. There is no current distributor in the UK for these CL-800 curtain rails apparently, they will ship direct from the USA though. Still working out the details.

There is one seller on eBay UK here (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ELECTRIC-MOTORISED-CURTAIN-TRACK-BY-CURTAIN-MOTION-/320998480151?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item4abd001917) It doesn't say what version they are ? And they are a little expensive.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: frichter09 on October 18, 2012, 02:30:09 pm
Thanks!
Im in the US though :)
Just have to figure out how to hook them up top my ZWave network!
Flo
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 18, 2012, 02:53:15 pm
Just have to figure out how to hook them up top my ZWave network!

Me too, hoping someone with more wiring experience will chime in.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 18, 2012, 03:29:36 pm
YouTube Videos:

Operation Instruction of DIY Electric Remote Control Curtain Track - Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqJHKpA1tKg)

Operation Instruction of DIY Electric Remote Control Curtain Track - Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4RAhtupeV8&feature=channel&list=UL)

DIY Electric Remote Control Curtain System (with English Subtitle) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx8ZrrmLFK8) SOLOR BRAND
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 18, 2012, 03:45:49 pm
The manufacturer is not sure about the wiring either:  :(

"Not sure about the wiring as there are too many different systems. The Wall Control with 5-pin only need a pulse to be activated. Please try to look up with these home automation experts."
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: frichter09 on October 18, 2012, 04:16:27 pm
Well....
My garage door opener only needs a pulse and I am using an Evolve relay switch to create this pulse....

Wondering if that might work.... but them I might need two relays per curtain, one for open, one for closing... and that will be expensive again!

Flo
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 18, 2012, 04:38:16 pm
This should be possible using a single Z-wave blind control module I would think.

Looking at the Duwi blind module I would like to use, its the diagram for none 240V motors. i.e the motor in this curtain kit is 24V.

See attached 24V-Motor.jpg

The only wire I am not sure about is the COM Common (Neutral) I know you should not also connect this to the 240V Neutral. But it should connect to one of the wires from the 5 pin connector on the Curtain wall controller. I am guessing the black PA0 cable ??

Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: frichter09 on October 18, 2012, 04:42:15 pm
I wonder if this Duwi is also available in the US for 120V
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 18, 2012, 04:52:41 pm
I wonder if this Duwi is also available in the US for 120V

I don't think so? They are German EU. But any similar Z-wave blind control module should do it.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 18, 2012, 04:55:29 pm
OK this is my best guess as far as the wiring is concerned, I have colour coded the wires on the diagram.

Note: 240V Live in the UK is usually brown and 240V Neutral is usually blue. The other colours green, yellow & black are the colours of the wires on the Curtain wall controller 5 pin connector.

If anyone thinks this wiring is wrong please let us know.


Thanks

Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 18, 2012, 06:11:21 pm
I wonder if this Duwi is also available in the US for 120V

I am not familiar with all the USA Z-wave stores? But the few I have seen only seem to have rather expensive $200 - $250 modules for controlling blinds like these here. (http://www.smarthome-products.com/c-64-motorized-blinds-and-drapery.aspx)

Can you get the Aeon Labs Micro Smart Motor Controller (http://www.zwave-products.co.uk/online/templatemedia/all_lang/resources/Instructions+-+Aeon+Labs+Micro+Motor+Controller.pdf) in the US ?
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 18, 2012, 06:22:52 pm
Wow the postage is a killer for one 8 foot unit they want $128 for International Fedex to the UK. Seems very expensive!
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: frichter09 on October 18, 2012, 09:51:07 pm
Wow the postage is a killer for one 8 foot unit they want $128 for International Fedex to the UK. Seems very expensive!

Next time Im in Germany I can bring one for you  :D :D
Yeah I saw the z-wave controllers available here in the US... I would not pay that much for it....
Still looking....
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: frichter09 on October 18, 2012, 10:00:14 pm
Btw,
I would be careful with this Aeon Labs Company....
Check out the board here, lot of people have issues with this device!
Flo
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 19, 2012, 03:55:04 am
I've not used that Aeon Labs motor control module before. I have used other Aeon Labs products with no problems though.

This is a link (http://store.zwaveeurope.com/index.php?cPath=68) to what Z-wave blind modules are available from our Euro distributor. I have asked them if they have any USA versions ? I doubt it but its worth asking as I could drop ship one to you.

EDIT: EU only  >:(



Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: frichter09 on October 19, 2012, 10:25:34 am
Thanks for checking :)
Anyways, let me know if you get one of the tracks.
For me, spending $$$ on the Z-Wave interface alone is too much.... unfortunately....
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: frichter09 on October 19, 2012, 10:31:11 am
Look at this one.... Maybe we can "built" one :) They also have a EU version....
http://www.whwharton.cn/product/618372795-213085870/NWD_z_wave_smart_home_US_Curtain_motor.html
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 19, 2012, 10:50:35 am
Look at this one.... Maybe we can "built" one :) They also have a EU version....
http://www.whwharton.cn/product/618372795-213085870/NWD_z_wave_smart_home_US_Curtain_motor.html

Yeah I stumbled across that same website this morning and saw those Z-wave NWD curtain motors. Seems odd they just have a motor and not the rest of the kit. What would you connect it to? If you bought one. Maybe there are other curtain kits out there that I have not seen yet.

I might wait and do more research, if the postage wasn't so high I might have gone for one of those CL-820 curtain rails to check it out.

Those "HC China Limited" HT-100 (http://exp-china.com/archives/2012/html/electric-curtain/2_meter_motorized_curtains_ht100_2m.html) ones still might be an option? I emailed them as well for more information but have had no reply yet.

EDIT: I just emailed NWD to ask the question if there are compatible curtain rails for their Z-wave curtain motors ?
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: frichter09 on October 19, 2012, 10:58:41 am
I am going to shoot them an email to see how to actually connect them!
I will let you know!  ;D
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 19, 2012, 11:28:06 am
On this first link it shows a very similar looking motor:

http://www.tradevv.com/chinasuppliers/dooya32_p_1ddae0/china-Curtain-Motor.html (http://www.tradevv.com/chinasuppliers/dooya32_p_1ddae0/china-Curtain-Motor.html)

Motor models: DT52E & DT52S

Looking at their other products on tradevv.com lead me to this website: Dooya

http://www.dooya.com/products_3.html (http://www.dooya.com/products_3.html)

So maybe Dooya makes the standard motors and curtain rail kits etc and NWD have just added Z-wave to one of the motors?

Trying to track stuff down like this is a nightmare. I only found the first link via a Google image search for "electric curtain motor" and looked at the pictures until I saw one the same as the NWD motor.

Here is a better link in English:

http://en.dooya.com/products_3.html (http://en.dooya.com/products_3.html)
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 19, 2012, 11:38:32 am
Think I have found one of the Dooya curtain kits for sale on Aliexpress here (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Curtain-Motor-Track/703675_472368442.html) and here (http://www.tradekey.com/product_view/id/1854611.htm) on Tradekey

If you can get that curtain rail and the NWD z-wave motor and the price is right? That's another solution right there! Assuming the Z-wave motor shows up in Vera OK?


Google images (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Dooya%20curtain&aq=f&sugexp=chrome,mod%3D0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=y3WBUI2rF4Oi0QWJ4ICQBA&biw=1241&bih=606&sei=zHWBUMKSIceo0QX7poGIBA) for "Dooya curtain"
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: frichter09 on October 19, 2012, 12:30:24 pm
Thanks for all the links!!

I think I might order the motor and then the track from here to give it a try!  http://en.dooya.com/products_3.html

Fingers crossed  :)
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 19, 2012, 03:18:25 pm
Thanks for all the links!!

I think I might order the motor and then the track from here to give it a try!  http://en.dooya.com/products_3.html

Fingers crossed  :)

If you manage to get pricing / shipping costs for the NWD / Dooya kit? please let me know. It could work out cheaper for you as those USA z-wave blind controllers are well expensive compared to the ones we can get in Europe!

EDIT: I've emailed the Dooya trade sales, will let you know if I hear anything.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 20, 2012, 05:42:52 am
I've had a reply from Dooya and lots of product information sent to me (No prices) which I have not read as yet. However they did not answer my question about using the NWD Z-wave motor with the Dooya curtain track ?

Even if you were able to replace the motor with the NWD Z-wave one you would then lose the ability to use the Dooya Zig-bee wall controller and hand held remote control and you would only be able to control the curtain motor via Z-wave and Vera.

"From your inquiry mail., Z-wave is old network protocol, and we are using Zig-bee network protocol which is new protocol. It is more powerful than old one. I am sure you know this ^^  I don't think Z-wave and Zig-bee system are compatible, because they are different protocol.
 
For the curtain motor, attached is our curtain motor introduction. You may take for reference. Pls kindly let us know if you are interested in AC or DC motors. I think you can tell us more of your requirement."


I have several motor product documents to look through that they sent to me.

So they are using Zig-bee in their standard motors and remote controllers etc. Ideally we would want a curtain motor with both Z-wave and Zig-Bee so you could use the Dooya remote / wall controllers and also control it via the Vera Home Automation box.

Attached is the first image out of several:
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 20, 2012, 06:29:48 am
Although thinking about it, if the Z-wave motor was compatible and worked with the Dooya track and also with Vera you would not even need the Dooya remote control and wall controller. You could replace them with an Aeon Labs Mini Mote and pretty much any Z-wave wall switch (using association group) to control the curtains. Or even a Z-wave wall scene controller like the Duwi one.

So that leaves three questions.

1. Is the NWD Z-wave motor compatible with the Dooya curtain track?
2. Can you buy the Dooya curtain track on its own? Without their Zig-bee motor and remote / wall controller.
3. What is the price?
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 20, 2012, 11:52:02 am
Attached is the Dooya document for the mains voltage DT52E motor which has the radio (Zig-bee) they also have an external dry contact for switch function.

Comparing the connection end of the Dooya motor with the NWD z-wave one they look to be the same! See motors.jpg
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 22, 2012, 04:29:24 am
Well I have confirmation from a chap at NWD that their Z-wave curtain motor will work with VeraLite!

However from the short message I received it is still unclear if this NWD Z-wave motor will fit the Dooya curtain tracks? But sounds like NWD may have their own curtain tracks? I have asked for more information.

Message:

"Hello,

I am Q Li,  Our curtain motors can be connected with veralite,

But Curtains motor must be good with our curtain track

Thanks"
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: frichter09 on October 22, 2012, 10:30:30 am
Wow... thanks for all the info!!!
Yeah now we only need to know if the tracks would work.
I sent them an email myself but no luck yet  :(
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: Ruetech on October 23, 2012, 12:48:38 am
Have you guys looked at using a micro controller yet? I was able to build an alarm interface for an otherwise unsupported alarm using an Arduino and I know they have motor control shields that just snap on the top check out this thread http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,12167.0.html

Also I'm not sure if you figured out the wiring for that motor controller at the beginning of the thread but it seems like the control wires just need a momentary short on the control neutral to activate think of it like four garage door buttons with one wire on bottom and four on top so black connects to the bottom of all buttons and the other four connect to the top so they can individually short against the black as needed. This is my best guess from the diagram
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 23, 2012, 03:52:39 am
That NWD Z-wave motor does fit the Dooya curtain tracks!

This is what the guy from NWD said:

"Yes , it is Suitable for Dooya curtain tracks. Curtain motor is also Dooya,but we change it to z-wave.

 Dooya is our Partners"


So that's pretty much what I suggested that NWD had just added Z-wave to a Dooya motor.

I still don't have any real pricing or know where you can purchase the NWD Motor / Dooya track kit other than Aliexpress.

But I think if the price is right this could be a very good solution.  ;)

Also have you noticed the EU Z-wave motor is more $ than the USA one. I have asked why ? Also trying to work out where we can purchase these from.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 23, 2012, 04:37:02 am
OK I have had one reply already from that Aliexpress seller I linked to here (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Curtain-Motor-Track/703675_472368442.html). I informed him/her the NWD motor fits the Dooya curtain track and asked if he can sell the track only without the Dooya (Zig-bee) motor and remote control / wall controller this is what he said:

"Thanks for your message and information offered.
Of course you can only buy track from us.
if sample, the track with all small parts is 35 USD/m.
Max length is 12m.
Could you please tell me how many pcs do you need? what is the length of each one?
I would like to show you our best price if your quantity is good."


This doesn't sound too bad, $35 is 21 GBP and if you bought more the price would probably come down. Obviously postage costs could bump it up quite a bit.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 23, 2012, 04:53:48 am
Here's the reply from NWD:

"1. I don't know why our z-wave motor is expensive than US. But our z-wave motor is very good.
 2. No , we don't use Dooya's switch, we make switch by ourself.
 3. Yes ,we have Dooya's motor tracks.

Sorry , i don't where can buy Dooya's products in Europe.

Thanks"


Not that helpful...
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 23, 2012, 09:33:02 am
This is something new I have not seen  before by a company called Vision who have some Z-wave products (http://www.visionsecurity.com.tw/ha_products_154_p1.html).

ZW4101 Z-Wave Curtain Control Module (http://www.visionsecurity.com.tw/ha_products_page2_154_198.html) (Signal/Relay)

I can't see any User manual for it.

I guess this could be used to control an existing none Z-wave curtain motor ?

Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: frichter09 on October 23, 2012, 10:33:24 am
That NWD Z-wave motor does fit the Dooya curtain tracks!

This is what the guy from NWD said:

"Yes , it is Suitable for Dooya curtain tracks. Curtain motor is also Dooya,but we change it to z-wave.

 Dooya is our Partners"


So that's pretty much what I suggested that NWD had just added Z-wave to a Dooya motor.

I still don't have any real pricing or know where you can purchase the NWD Motor / Dooya track kit other than Aliexpress.

But I think if the price is right this could be a very good solution.  ;)

Also have you noticed the EU Z-wave motor is more $ than the USA one. I have asked why ? Also trying to work out where we can purchase these from.

That is excellent!!!!
And the price for the track is also not too bad.
Thanks Stuart.

I will have some spare time in two weeks and might order one and will let you know how it works.
Flo
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: frichter09 on October 23, 2012, 10:44:47 am
Btw.
I will see if I can get the Z-wave motor first, if that works I will order the tracks because I have some big windows at my place....
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 23, 2012, 10:52:29 am
That is excellent!!!!
And the price for the track is also not too bad.
Thanks Stuart.

I will have some spare time in two weeks and might order one and will let you know how it works.
Flo

I will probably order one as well but might not be until after Christmas for me.  :-[ If you do get it please take lots of pictures and maybe even a short video of the curtains in action would be very helpful!

Thanks
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: frichter09 on October 23, 2012, 11:27:55 am
That is excellent!!!!
And the price for the track is also not too bad.
Thanks Stuart.

I will have some spare time in two weeks and might order one and will let you know how it works.
Flo

I will probably order one as well but might not be until after Christmas for me.  :-[ If you do get it please take lots of pictures and maybe even a short video of the curtains in action would be very helpful!

Thanks
Will do for sure!
I will pm you once I ordered the motor!!
Flo
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 23, 2012, 11:35:36 am
I'm still waiting to hear more from NWD about this z-wave switch he mentioned, he's meant to be emailing me some NWD product catalogue or something.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 23, 2012, 01:36:37 pm
More Dooya curtain track product details:

There are 3 different types of tracks (S, A, B) and several types of runners.

They have ceiling and wall brackets.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 23, 2012, 01:41:59 pm
Components and Assembly
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 23, 2012, 01:51:17 pm
You can download the massive e-book from Dooya which contains all these product pages for their entire range here (http://en.dooya.com/uploadfiles/dooya.rar). With this information about the different tracks / parts etc you should be able to work out what you want to order.

Curtain Weight and Tech Support for track installation:
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 23, 2012, 02:03:43 pm
There are several pages with electrical wiring diagrams but this was the most interesting one.

Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: parkerc on October 23, 2012, 04:55:56 pm
Hi cw-kid

I have been looking at your thread with interest, I'm based in the UK too and was looking for a similar set up.

Have you looked at the Fibaro Roller Blind module as a way of z-wave enabling a curtain motor via Vera?

On a related note, I was also looking at blinds, and the RollerTrol looks good, the owner I think is an ex Brit too. ;) (works via the RFXrtx plugin)

I'm very interested in automating the bedroom curtains, so will be up for sharing your approach, especially considering all the effort you're putting into this..

Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 23, 2012, 05:32:24 pm
@parkerc Hi

The  Fibaro blind module (User manual (http://materialy.fibaro.com/instrukcje/roller%20shutter%20FGR221%20v14%20-%20v17%20ENG.pdf)), I've not really looked at it no, but should be like using a Duwi blind module and should work with the CL-800 (http://0063da9.netsolhost.com/product1_800.html) and HT-100 (http://exp-china.com/archives/2012/html/electric-curtain/2_meter_motorized_curtains_ht100_2m.html) curtain tracks with DC motors. I will have a read of the user manual later.

Obviously with this NWD Z-wave curtain motor we have been looking at, it means you don't need an additional Z-wave blind controller module, which is good for the guys in the USA as they are expensive there.

As for roller blinds I did look in to this previously but never actually bought anything due to the expense. I did work out a couple of possible options though.

1. Somfy LS40 Standard (dumb) motor (240V) + Duwi Blind Module
2. Intelli-Blinds (http://www.electricblindsonline.com/) dumb motor (240V) + Duwi Blind Module (Control Option 1: No Controls (Home Automation) (http://www.electricblindsonline.com/acatalog/240v_Electric_Roller_Blind_Kits.html)

It seemed cheaper and easier to use dumb motors with no inbuilt controls like the Somfy RTS which you don't need if you are using Z-wave. You would just use the Duwi Z-wave module which will work in Vera, you could then use an Aeon Labs minimote or the Duwi switch on the wall.

Also note 240V motors are apparently much quieter in operation than 24V DC or battery operated motors.

I did see RollerTrol but as they are an American company I skipped it, was looking for items I could buy in the UK or Europe due to possible import taxes from the USA.

I'm not familiar with the RFXrtx plugin.

I would like to eventually do roller black-out blinds in the bedrooms but you need allot of cash. Looking to do a cheap electric curtain track first in the living room hence this thread.

You can buy roller blind kits (http://www.zwave-products.co.uk/shop/catalog/browse?shop_param=ecid%3D51%26) from Ant at Z-wave products but they are expensive. Intelli-Blinds seemed cheaper and Mark there was very helpful answering my questions. This here (http://www.hopkinsfittings.co.uk/) also looks like a good website for blind motors and parts but I got no response from them at all when I emailed them.

Looking for affordable options takes time and lots of research.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 23, 2012, 06:20:31 pm
Btw.
I will see if I can get the Z-wave motor first, if that works I will order the tracks because I have some big windows at my place....

Flo

I guess that would be wise.

I'm still upset the US version of the motor is listed as being much cheaper than the EU one  :'(

US (http://www.whwharton.cn/product/618372795-213085870/NWD_z_wave_smart_home_US_Curtain_motor.html) Listed as $47.50 Listing on Alibaba.com (http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/618372795/NWD_z_wave_smart_home_US.html)
EU (http://www.whwharton.cn/product/618367089-213085870/NWD_z_wave_smart_home_EU_Curtain_motor.html) Listed as $120 - $130 Listing on Alibaba.com (http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/618367089/NWD_z_wave_smart_home_EU.html)

Another thing that's worrying it says minimum order 500 pieces. I'm sure you can probably order one or two motors as samples though.
These motors are not listed on Aliexpress.com but only on Alibaba.com. Aliexpress being more for retail sales and lower number of pieces.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 24, 2012, 02:50:10 am
HC China Limited - HT-100 Home Automation Control - 12V DC Motor

I've had a reply from the manufacturer of the HC China Limited - HT-100 (http://exp-china.com/archives/2012/html/electric-curtain/2_meter_motorized_curtains_ht100_2m.html) (Also known as CT-220 on sites like Aliexpress.)

"Regarding to our built-in interface, you could also control it by using a wall switch or 3rd party control set. Please check the wire connection from the picture http://exp-china.com/images/accessory/diagram_of_electric_curtain2.jpg (http://exp-china.com/images/accessory/diagram_of_electric_curtain2.jpg). The spare wire is also for the neutral.
 
We currently keep some inventory for UK and Europe distribution, so we could deliver directly from UK quickly to you. However, we do not have showroom or technical department within UK at this moment.

Please check and order from our UK website http://y2shop.com which applies only local delivery charges."


What do you make of the wiring diagram? For use with a Duwi blind module. There is no where for the Orange Wire (Stop) to connect to the Duwi module see attached image.
 
From the Duwi blind module user manual:

Reaction"on"opposite"Button"(parameter"No"8,"size"1"byte,"for"motor"control"only)
Defines how the device shall react when hitting the opposite direction button
when motor is moving
Values:
0 Stop (default)
1 Stop and start moving reverse direction


Presumably you'd still need to connect the HT-100's orange (Stop) wire some where?
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 24, 2012, 03:01:39 am
Apple the Aliexpress seller for the Dooya curtain tracks has said the following about the 3 different tracks they offer.

"I will answer your questions in the following.
1, The track can be both wall mounted and ceiling mounted, just use different bracket to fix.
2, We have all of three kinds track, and S track is much more common.
    They are designed according to different style curtain motor, such as DT52 series and DT82 T series are suitable for S track.
    A track can also be used with DT52 series, but different track components.
    and A track is not very common.
   B track is used with DT12 series"


The Dooya DT52 motor is the one that looks the same as the NWD motor, so I guess its "S" track you need to order.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: frichter09 on October 24, 2012, 10:26:26 am
Stuart.
Did you ever hear back from NWD?
Just asking since they are not replying to my email (maybe I should inquire about 500 instead of 1  ;D)

Flo
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 24, 2012, 12:29:54 pm
Stuart.
Did you ever hear back from NWD?
Just asking since they are not replying to my email (maybe I should inquire about 500 instead of 1  ;D)

Flo

No the guy from NWD never got back to me, he was meant to be emailing some product pages etc.

I will probably email him later I guess see where we can buy these sample motors from ?
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: frichter09 on October 24, 2012, 12:44:05 pm
Stuart.
Did you ever hear back from NWD?
Just asking since they are not replying to my email (maybe I should inquire about 500 instead of 1  ;D)

Flo

No the guy from NWD never got back to me, he was meant to be emailing some product pages etc.

I will probably email him later I guess see where we can buy these sample motors from ?

Do you mind sending me his email address?
I am not sure if he is receiving my email through the system they use. Id really like to order a sample motor...

Flo
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 24, 2012, 01:22:12 pm
Flo

The quote I received from NWD has the EU and US motors listed together under the same pricing.

Unit Price = $120
Sample Price = $200

I am not sure why the US motor is listed as $47.50 online ? You will have to ask them.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 24, 2012, 03:02:48 pm
There is a company in the Netherlands called Forest Group that does motorised curtain tracks that are Z-wave but I image they are pricey.

Products here (http://www.forestgroup.nl/products/motorized_systems.html).

The UK distributor for Forest is Evan Textiles (http://www.evans-textiles.com/products/track-systems/).

This is the USA Forest Group website here (http://www.forestgroup.com/products.html)
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 24, 2012, 04:57:08 pm
This is interesting Somfy bought Dooya

Source (http://www.somfy.com/group/index.cfm?page=/group/home/metiers/activites/marques&language=en-en)

"Present on all three Somfy Activities, Dooya is the leading Chinese brand in tubular motors, particularly at the entry-level. Dooya is specialized in the design of tubular motors and control systems for roller shutters, roller doors, curtains and interior blinds.

Created in 2002. Dooya joined Somfy in 2010 through the acquisition of a majority holding (70%).
Head office in Luotuo industrial park, Ningbo, China.
Operations in China and other countries.
2065 employees.'
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 24, 2012, 05:26:36 pm
Somfy Option:

Glydea (http://www.somfysmarthome.co.uk/Resources/Glydea%20Catalogue%202011-LR.pdf) There is a Z-wave add-on (http://www.somfypro.com/documents/531668/15106631/Glydea+Z-Wave+Plug+In+Module+Instructions+061312.pdf)

I doubt Somfy falls in to my affordable category.

Glystro (http://www.floridaautomatedshade.com/v/vspfiles/assets/catalogs/installations/Glystro%20Drapery%20Track%20%20Installation%20Manual.pdf) is the version before Glydea and might be cheaper ? @Shady mentions it here (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,5853.msg34359.html#msg34359) "Knock-off form" sounds like that could be cheaper LOL, would like to know more.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 25, 2012, 03:33:26 am
Explanation of different Dooya curtain track runners:

Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 25, 2012, 04:23:43 am
If it is not possible to purchase the NWD Z-wave motor?

I am wondering if the Dooya DT52E (Zig-bee) motor could be used with the Duwi blind module (http://en.z-wave.me/docs/ZME_0643x_UserManual.pdf) ?

The first image below shows Dry Contact wiring, could these be wired in to a Z-wave blind control module ?
The second image is the Z-wave duwi module wiring for 230v motors.

In this setup you would have the Dooya RF (Zig-bee) hand held remote control and possibly the Dooya wall controller as well. And then hard wire a Z-wave blind module in to the wall and connect to the DT52E motors dry contact for Home Automation control via Vera.

Any thoughts ?

EDIT: Duwi-Module-Wiring.jpg is from the Duwi user manual i.e. not the Z-wave.me version.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 25, 2012, 04:38:02 am
Trying to consolidate some of this information, I have added a table .doc to the first post here (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,12225.msg89203.html#msg89203).
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 25, 2012, 06:58:46 am
I am currently talking to technical at HC China Limited, hopefully they are working out a HT-100 system / solution for me.

My requirements are:

230V Curtain Motor - Can be hard wired in to the wall / house electrics. (I don't like the idea of having to plug-in a DC power adapter with cables visible.)

Hand held Remote Control - IR (Infra-Red) (http://exp-china.com/archives/2012/images/accessory/IR_remote_control.jpg) preferred, so I can program my Logitech Harmony universal remote controls to open / close curtains.

3rd Party Home Automation Control - Need to be able to wire in the Z-wave blind control module. I will then be able to automate the curtains using VeraLite.

Single curtain track / Center opening curtains / Motor on the left / Wall mount brakets


Optional:

Wall Controller - I may not need a wall controller from them. Because if we can integrate the Z-wave module I can use my existing Z-wave wall controllers to open / close the curtains.

Note: Although there is a HT-100 wall controller (http://exp-china.com/archives/2012/images/accessory/IR_remote_control.jpg) with in-built IR. If I use this I will not put a paddle switch cover on the Duwi blind module and would instead hide the Duwi blind module in a back-box inside the wall.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: frichter09 on October 25, 2012, 12:02:40 pm
Sent NWD a second inquiry directly via email.
If I don't get a response again - I will scratch that company... :-X
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 25, 2012, 12:12:45 pm
Sent NWD a second inquiry directly via email.
If I don't get a response again - I will scratch that company... :-X

Yeah I get that feeling as well, which is why I am looking at other options again and using a Z-wave blind module.

I think I might settle on the HC China LTD (http://exp-china.com/archives/2012/index.html) company & HT-100 system. They mainly offer 12V DC motors but they have got a 230V AC motor which I would prefer. It will cost more $ but it will be quieter and I can hide the wires better in the wall.

They have some decent looking IR receivers / wall controllers and remote controls as well. They also have RF remotes. I can buy them locally in the UK, should be fairly easy to wire in the Duwi module. Their guys can speak English and I understand what they are saying and their 2M track
(DC Motor) is only 105 GBP
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: frichter09 on October 29, 2012, 10:31:33 am
Got this email back from NWD abfter 4 days, I think Im gonna pass :)

Hello,

 

I AM  Q Li ,

 

Ok  you want a NZ-C01  US  for test.

yes , we also have track that fits this motor .

 

BUT now  we only have 220V for China ,if you want to use in USA,You should be a transformer , to  110V.

 

I will send  products to you By UPS ,and To pay the freight

 

THANKS
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: Piwtorak on November 19, 2012, 09:03:11 am
Hello folks in this topic !

some solution for integration of www.remotecontrolcurtain.com ?

I have one running and I'm trying to put zwave control in that.

I was speaking about with Shady, but he is out for a time...

my doubt is if the only solution is install 2 evolve lfm-20 controllers ( one for up and one for down) (is a roller shade)
or if exist one controller with the 2 functions...


thanks !
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on November 20, 2012, 09:31:40 am
Hello folks in this topic !

some solution for integration of www.remotecontrolcurtain.com ?

I have one running and I'm trying to put zwave control in that.

I was speaking about with Shady, but he is out for a time...

my doubt is if the only solution is install 2 evolve lfm-20 controllers ( one for up and one for down) (is a roller shade)
or if exist one controller with the 2 functions...


thanks !

I am not familiar with the Evolve LFM-20 as I am based in the UK, however it looks to be a simple ON/OFF relay switch. I would think you would need two of them. You might be better using a proper Z-wave blind controller like these ESI ABMHZ modules:

http://www.smarthome-products.com/c-64-motorized-blinds-and-drapery.aspx

Have you tried contacting CurtainCall (http://www.remotecontrolcurtain.com/) for help?
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: Piwtorak on November 20, 2012, 02:45:12 pm
thanks Cw-kid !

I emailed to Tony in curtaincall. he sold for me the curtain...

back to the subject of evolve...it has a yellow wire... this yellow wire is not the common wire I need to runs the curtain...
I plug the common in yellow and up and down in each blue wire.

if this is not correct, what the function of the yellow wire in lfm-20 ?

thanks !
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: frichter09 on November 20, 2012, 03:13:22 pm
thanks Cw-kid !

I emailed to Tony in curtaincall. he sold for me the curtain...

back to the subject of evolve...it has a yellow wire... this yellow wire is not the common wire I need to runs the curtain...
I plug the common in yellow and up and down in each blue wire.

if this is not correct, what the function of the yellow wire in lfm-20 ?

thanks !

I dont think the yellow wire has any function.
The blue wires are used for the relay imo. I think it should state that in the directions it came with.
Flo
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on November 20, 2012, 03:35:22 pm
The user manual for the Evolve LFM-20 can be seen here (http://www.homeseer.com/pdfs/Evolve/LFM-20_SPEC.pdf)
The wiring diagram is not that clear.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: Piwtorak on November 20, 2012, 03:51:51 pm
I think the yellow can send a command to a switch and turn on something.
would be very good if there was a dry contact with a common wire. giving 2 options only changing the contact for a side and another with zwave enable for sure... :)
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: shady on November 23, 2012, 11:26:15 am
The yellow wire Is for adding auxiliary switches, for 3-way and 4-way control.  Like in a hallway you can have a switch on either end controlling the same light, same concept but accomplished with a low voltage trigger on the yellow wire.

I think these are the aux switches:
http://www.smarthome-products.com/p-170-homepro-as101-z-wave-3-way-companion-switch.aspx

Here is a post from someone putting it all together:
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=10201.0
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: LightsOn on January 12, 2013, 07:43:36 pm
Hi CW-Kid,

Cracking job on this (and others). 

Did any one get it up and running? would love to know if any one here in the UK has a working motorised curtain with zwave.

I shall watch with a keen eye  ;D
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on January 12, 2013, 07:46:07 pm
No I never made a purchase in the end I got side tracked with other little projects that took up the cash. Still on my todo list.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: zwavemotors on February 13, 2013, 08:32:00 am
we manufacture Z-Wave native tubular and drapery motors
contact us at info@zwavemotors.com
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on February 13, 2013, 11:27:48 am
we manufacture Z-Wave native tubular and drapery motors
contact us at info@zwavemotors.com

Do you have a website with product details?

Which country are you located in?

Thanks
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: zwavemotors on February 14, 2013, 08:46:17 am
We are located in the US. Contact us for pricing and technical info
info@zwavemotors.com

try this website: www.z-wavemotors.com
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: Piwtorak on May 10, 2013, 08:00:36 am
this can help someone...

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,4811.msg112181.html#msg112181

Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: marcfonteijn on January 14, 2014, 05:49:16 am
Although this topic has been silent for a while I'm quite interested if someone found a good solution.

My idea is to use a fibaro roller / shutter to control the track.

I found this (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Window-width-5-5-meters-Remote-control-electric-curtain-System-rods-poles/454172512.html) quite affordable track on aliexpress but the seller couldn't tell me if it's possible to hook up an external controller. This track comes with a wired remote so my guess would be that it should be possible but without the wiring diagram it's hard to say for sure.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 14, 2014, 12:11:52 pm
Although this topic has been silent for a while I'm quite interested if someone found a good solution.
My idea is to use a fibaro roller / shutter to control the track.
I found this (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Window-width-5-5-meters-Remote-control-electric-curtain-System-rods-poles/454172512.html) quite affordable track on aliexpress but the seller couldn't tell me if it's possible to hook up an external controller. This track comes with a wired remote so my guess would be that it should be possible but without the wiring diagram it's hard to say for sure.
it'll work with some wire-cutting, but i strongly advice against buying this kind of cheap devices, they make a lot of noise and don't have a long lifespan.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: marcfonteijn on January 14, 2014, 03:07:26 pm
I must admit that one does look really cheap. After some more searching I found a different one (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Electric-curtain-remote-control-curtain-motor-smart-home-electric-curtain-flashlight-dual/1296294172.html) that looks somewhat better. One of the photos also shows a motor with a 4 wire (black, brown, green and green/yellow) setup. If black / brown are for forward / backward control then that would work with the fibaro controller out of the box or wouldn't it? The wiring on the dooya DT52S motor (http://www.hxpw.net/html-en/AC-CURTAIN-MOTOR-EN-DT52S.html) it clearly says that the 2 wires are used for that.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: nullx8 on January 18, 2014, 11:23:35 am
I found this (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Window-width-5-5-meters-Remote-control-electric-curtain-System-rods-poles/454172512.html) quite affordable track on aliexpress but the seller couldn't tell me if it's possible to hook up an external controller. This track comes with a wired remote so my guess would be that it should be possible but without the wiring diagram it's hard to say for sure.

that is the biggest problem on aliexpress ... i'm buying alot of things there .. but only if i exactly know what i want.
usally the sellers have no cloue on anything ... and 120USD is quite a risk.

thats the reason why i not have any courtains yet working.
but maybe i will go down that road soon and just buy one for a test ..
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: marcfonteijn on February 13, 2014, 02:29:32 pm
Just a short update for the people who will bump into this thread. I've bought the Dooya DT52S motor (http://en.dooya.com/products_3.html) via aliexpress.com and attached it to the Fibaro Roller Shutter 2 (FGRM-222). This combination works great for me. The build quality of the motor is pretty solid actually. Not something you might expect at first hand. There are some knock-off motors on aliexpress too but the Dooya stuff seems to be the best.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: AgileHumor on February 27, 2014, 12:42:53 pm
This is exciting. The Somfy motors were quoted at ~$3,000 for our bedroom.  $1,500 for the Somfy Glidea motor/wireless RTS control and bar...and $1,500 for a compatible 155" decorative bar and all the rings ( http://www.ironartbyorion.com/somfytraversing.asp?catid=97 )...way out of our budget.

Thanks as always CW-Kid for scouting the coolest HA tech.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: nullx8 on March 02, 2014, 02:16:02 am
i also can confirm the Dooya DT52S working just fine with a Fibaro Shutter2
still abut pricy .. but they do work.

i ordered another bunch of another brand .. which costs less than half ... hopefully they do the same way.

will report in a few days with some results ... shipment is waiting for me at FedEx already ;)
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: LightsOn on March 04, 2014, 11:01:57 am
Look forward to hearing your results nullx8

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Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: zwavemotors on March 04, 2014, 11:22:07 am
how much did you pay for the Dooya DT52S?
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: nullx8 on March 11, 2014, 11:31:23 am
how much did you pay for the Dooya DT52S?
DT52S .. arround 80USD
DT52E .. arround 110USD (E model can't be controlled via Z-wave modules)

Look forward to hearing your results nullx8


video: 2,7 Meter (9 Foot) Courtain rail, with Dooya Motor, Fibaro Shutter Module, belt, rolls , ... ~190USD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfLEWcrH0jI)
the z-wave Stick-on button i just used for the video ;)

i just connected the motor directly to the FIbaro Shutter II module, added a extension coord and put it in the next Power outlet ..
ran fibaro module calibration .. all done working immideatly.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: LightsOn on March 11, 2014, 07:50:59 pm
Totally brilliant :-)

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Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: airedale on March 14, 2014, 05:31:59 pm
Just a short update for the people who will bump into this thread. I've bought the Dooya DT52S motor (http://en.dooya.com/products_3.html) via aliexpress.com and attached it to the Fibaro Roller Shutter 2 (FGRM-222). This combination works great for me. The build quality of the motor is pretty solid actually. Not something you might expect at first hand. There are some knock-off motors on aliexpress too but the Dooya stuff seems to be the best.

When you get that motor, where do you get the track? Does it come with it? If so, what is the length? I have found the motors on aliexpress, but not the tracks.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: nullx8 on March 16, 2014, 05:20:11 am
dont get the knock off .. i spend a fortune on this junk ... its not worth the money at all ...

only dooya does the job. and it does is suprisingly well.

the tracks must fit . as the clutch system wont work if not. (killing the whole pourpose)

dont buy anything with steel wires .. they sell great because it does sounds "solid", but its noisy and manual operation leads to 80% in mixed wires and a very large drama to get them working again.
the secret are t-belts ! almost zero noise, smooth operation and can't be destroyed easy.

i can now get 3 meters for somethings close to 250 bucks including everything. downside (20 days lead time)
but for the quality and the price i can just live with this ... normally the motor alone goes for 250 USD already.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: airedale on March 17, 2014, 12:03:23 am
@nullx -

I plan on getting a Dooya motor. I want to make sure I am buying the right thing on aliexpress. Every dooya motor I see seems to be just that, the motor and no track. How do I ensure I am getting a track? Is there a specific seller you go through?

Finally - the Fibaro controller - I am in the US - I typically remember hearing that Fibaro is for Europe. Is that the case? If not, where do you source your Fibaro controllers from?
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: nullx8 on March 17, 2014, 12:26:48 am
[whoring] http://goo.gl/UPyyfp [/whoring]
210 Bucks for 1 meter plus 20 somethings for each more meter complete set with holders, brackets, rails, motor, belt pre-assembled (very little work required) .. blah blah :P

but the shutter modules seem to be a problem. well the motor works with a standard module as well .. but its just half the features and no percentage settings
hope fully someone from the US has some solution for that

I plan on getting a Dooya motor.
make sure its a DT52S !!!
the E and C series do not work at all with HA modules .. they require a own remote-control system.



Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: AgileHumor on March 17, 2014, 01:00:05 am
@nullx -

I plan on getting a Dooya motor. I want to make sure I am buying the right thing on aliexpress. Every dooya motor I see seems to be just that, the motor and no track. How do I ensure I am getting a track? Is there a specific seller you go through?

Finally - the Fibaro controller - I am in the US - I typically remember hearing that Fibaro is for Europe. Is that the case? If not, where do you source your Fibaro controllers from?

I have the same questions :)

Also, what are the options for Non-Vera control?  One of the benefits of the Somfy system for my blinds are these in Wall (battery powered, so can go anywhere) remote control units.

http://www.somfysystems.com/en-us/home/our-products/product-solutions/decoflex-wirefree.html

 Since I plan to use these near the back patio where there is medium traffic, opening them on and off quickly would be key for the WAF.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: nullx8 on March 17, 2014, 02:15:20 am
Also, what are the options for Non-Vera control?

the most easy option are the Stick on Z-Wave Buttons (i'm personally really hate any form of "remote control" as it does defeat the automation propose. but for the shades i use 2 Button Battery Powered z-wave remotes .. they "apear" like Light switches, the battery lasts easy 1-2 Years on day by day use ...

they can be directly linked to the motor-module and will work even if the controller would be offline.

another option with the FGRM-222 is to simply connect standard Light switches or momentary switches for up/down .. this would require some wiring but would probably match your existing switch-style better.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: airedale on March 17, 2014, 05:02:39 pm
but the shutter modules seem to be a problem. well the motor works with a standard module as well .. but its just half the features and no percentage settings
hope fully someone from the US has some solution for that

I purchased a track and motor from zwavemotors and they have zwave built right into the motor. The motor looks just like the Dooya motor you are recommending in this thread. It works with the percentage settings just fine. I'd be happy to purchase again from them, as they got it to me quickly and it was rather nice. The cost is a little prohibitive for me to go to them again, at least my wife isn't willing to spend that much again. So now I am trying to piece it together myself.

This is why I am looking at the fibaro modules. The only concern I have with them, even from your site, is if they work on the right frequency to interact with US based Z-Wave systems.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: nullx8 on March 18, 2014, 02:40:37 am
thats great news .. toget some useful intel about hardware.

how much did you pay for the motor ?
does the motor fit to a dooya system rod/rail ? if yes that may be a option to get things cheaper done .. (win win for everyone)
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: airedale on March 19, 2014, 01:11:33 pm
I didn't buy the motor individually, but as a whole kit. That included a center open option to be configured. The length was just over 2.3 meters. I paid ~$400 for it excluding shipping.

The motor and track look to be exactly like the dooya motor and track being sold on aliexpress. The feature set also looks like it is the DT52S.

Zwavemotors has been very helpful. If you reach out to them directly, you can probably get more information.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: peterluc8080 on May 04, 2014, 11:02:26 pm
Message for nullx8,

I really like the low price of the curtain track and motor link you posted a few post before. I try to order 4 tracks but when I enter my shipping infos, it say that I cant get a quote for my adress and to contact them. I contact them 2 times in the last 2 two weeks but I didnt receive any answer from them... The track is in special at 160$ us Instead of 210$ so I would really like to order them for my 4 windows

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Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: MYNJ on May 05, 2014, 12:13:39 am
I have 1 set of DT52E and 1 set of DT52S motor with 3.3m of curtain track. Only DT52S is able to pair with fibaro module. I use Fibaro Roller Shutter 2 module. Everything is working perfectly.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: peterluc8080 on May 07, 2014, 10:50:56 pm
Hi,

I would have really like to buy my curtain at the store Nullx8 posted a few posts before.

But since I didnt get a answer from them after four email... what is the best place to buy motorized curtain working with Vera?

Dooya DT52S with a Fibaro Shutter 2 seem to work perfectly, so where to buy it at the best price?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: zwavemotors on May 08, 2014, 08:46:28 am
If in north America, we will fabricate custom length drapery tracks using Z-Wave native motors or 4 wire motor + Z-Wave module or RF motor +dry contact Z-Wave module.
Contact us at: info@zwavemotors.com
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: marcfonteijn on May 23, 2014, 06:37:38 am
Dooya DT52S with a Fibaro Shutter 2 seem to work perfectly, so where to buy it at the best price?

I ordered my via http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Intelligent-curtain-electric-curtain-remote-control-curtain-retractable-curtain-motor-dt52s/1391513371.html

Just don't order directly via the site but send the seller an message with what you need. He will make a custom price for you based on your specs.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: intveltr on June 02, 2014, 07:01:37 am
The manual open/close feature of the Dooya looks quite nice (pulling the curtain to set off the motor).  Does that still work after Z-wavifying the motor?
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: zwavemotors on June 03, 2014, 08:38:40 am
the pull to open or close is independent from the control., all our systems have it:
- the Z-wave native motor
- the 4 wire motor + Z-Wave AC module
- the RF motor + Z-Wave to dry contact module
info@zwavemotors.com
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: peterluc8080 on July 05, 2014, 06:38:01 pm
I find a supplier on a website who sold me the track and a Dooya DT52S motor for around 125$!! Pretty good deal! :) But, I tought I could buy a Roller Shutter 2 from Fibaro and connect it to the motor to control it as some people said in this thread. I'm searching everywhere a place where I can buy this Roller Shutter 2 module, compatible with US zwave frequency and able to ship here in Canada... Does anyone know where to buy it?

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Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: zwavemotors on July 10, 2014, 08:22:34 am
we still dont have the Fibaro in 120V/US freq in stock but have other brands of AC motor controllers available
contact us info@zwavemotors.com
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: charlesrg on July 17, 2014, 01:06:22 am
I just found another company that makes similar motor to Dooya.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Drapery-Motor-Motorized-Curtain-With-Remote_1857082175.html

What do you guys think ?

Anyone has a contact that can sell the Dooya DT52S with track direct from Asia ?
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: peterluc8080 on July 19, 2014, 05:09:36 pm
@Charlesrg : the link you posted need a minimum order of 300 set. Go to aliexpress.com and search for electric curtain. I found a seller that accept to change the remote control motor to a Dooya DT52S motor and 6 meter curtain track for 125$ usd. Pretty good deal. Dont be afraid to directly contact the seller and tell them what you need.

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Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: charlesrg on July 20, 2014, 10:59:30 pm
Peter, do you mind sharing the seller info ?
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: peterluc8080 on July 21, 2014, 08:26:30 am
Hi Charles,

Here is the link to a 4 meters (around 13 feets track) from the same seller I ordered :

‎http://m.aliexpress.com/item/893303415.html?tracelog=storedetail2mobilesitedetail

Just buy this product, then inside your order, ask the seller to have celling ou wall brackets (depending of your installation), center opening, you want to use the curtain with home automation so you need a Dooya DT52S  and the exact length you want. 

Give him around 8-10 and you will receive the product. 

Then just buy a Fibaro roller shutter 2 to connect it to the motor and be able to control it.

Thanks, and good luck.

Peter‎



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Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on September 28, 2014, 08:32:02 am
the pull to open or close is independent from the control., all our systems have it:
- the Z-wave native motor
- the 4 wire motor + Z-Wave AC module
- the RF motor + Z-Wave to dry contact module
info@zwavemotors.com

Hi

Please can you confirm which motors you are using that are native Z-wave built in to them? For curtain track rails?

Or are you talking about the tubular Z-wave motors I can see on your website for roller blinds?

Thanks

Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on September 28, 2014, 08:43:13 am
Hi

Looking on Aliexpress here (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Electric-curtain-track-a-motor-a-complete-control-system-DT52S-opening-and-closing-type-motor/2045342994.html) for a Dooya DT52S track kit (3 metres) is 205.17 GBP including shipping.

On that Thai website (https://shop.clever.in.th/Motorized_curtain_1-9_meter) that was linked too the same 3m kit is only 119.80 GBP which is a big difference! I'm not sure what the shipping cost is on top of that? So has anyone ordered from this site https://shop.clever.in.th ?

How easy was it to wire the DT52S motor to the Fibaro Shutter module? Any diagrams?

My wife is Thai might get her to call them up on the phone and see what the deal is.

Many thanks.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on September 28, 2014, 09:11:34 am
So with the DT52S motor can you still manually pull the curtain(s) to start a close / open operation?

Cheers
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on September 28, 2014, 09:24:29 am
I just found a really nice blog here (http://www.cdrum.com/2014/05/curtains-and-blinds-with-vera-lite-and.html) with photos and videos talking about the Dooya DT52S and the Fibaro Shutter module and Vera. Wiring sounds very simple.

"Wiring is simple. I ignore the S1 and S2 connectors as I won't be adding any physical switches. So the connectors I am interested in are: N for Neutral, L for Live, O1 for Direction 1, and O2 for Direction 2."

"The wiring coming from the bottom goes to the wall plug. From the top is from the motor. As you can see, I plugged the brown and blue from the wall into L and N connectors on the relay respectively. The smaller black and brown wires plugged into O1 and O2 are from the motor. That's it. Really simple."


He even used an Aeon Minimote to control the curtains!
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on September 28, 2014, 09:37:26 am
Looks like there are 3 different versions of the DT52S motor, different wattage / power ratings for different weight curtains.



Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: peterluc8080 on September 28, 2014, 10:37:33 am
@cw-kid :

Hi, you made a lot of research by your own.

The motor Z-wave motor is talking is a normal motor that they add a other part at the bottom that make it zwave. The track and the motor run around 400$ each, it's pricy.

The bloc you found is exactly the link I was going to post here for you. It tell you a lot of informations about the curtain track and the fibaro module.

For the curtain track, why dont you buy it from the supplier name : The friend Group on AliExpress ? You will see in the picture that the motor is not a Dooya DT52S, but just send him a email before ordering and he will change the motor to a Dooya DT52S free of charge. I ordered 4 curtain track (+/-18 feets)  with with the motor for around 110$ US each. You can even send him your Windows size dimension and he will make them custom size free of charge too.

This is the cheapest store to buy the curtain track!!

Also, dont buy from the other link you posted : shop.clever.in.th.... I ordered 4 Fibaro US module from them and 2 months later, I didnt receive yet. I had to open a dispute on Paypal for the website to answer me and finally I just received back my money after two months and no products was sent... My worst website experience so far.

For the Fibaro module go to EUROX10 and buy your fibaro module from them. Depending where you are, they will ask fibaro to make it in that frequency. No problem for US model even if Fibaro is not launch officialy in the US. Just send them a email and list the item you need. Carlos from the website reduce my total by more than 25% and I got a extra Fibaro LED strip controller free. Not bad at all

For your last question, no, you cannot manually pull the curtain to start or close with the Dooya DT52S. You need to wire ? dual switch next to the window to the fibaro module for open/close without the use of vera. No motor can do that by the way.

So just follow my advice and for around 200$ US for each windows, you get everything you need. + shipping.

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Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on September 28, 2014, 11:17:08 am
Hi

Thanks for the reply, I will check out the seller you mentioned on Aliexpress.

I have just discovered a website called taobao.com and a seller on there here (http://shop102688647.taobao.com/).
Prices look pretty cheap! I have no idea how to order from this website though, so I have emailed a Taobao agent (https://www.taobaoring.com/) to see if they can arrange it all and get me prices etc, will let you know if I get any response.

Some of the Somfy motors you can manually pull the curtain to start it going. I will have to wire in a wall switch then near the curtain as you suggested and connect it to the Fibaro relay.

Regards
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: peterluc8080 on September 28, 2014, 11:23:02 am
Aliexpress.com is more for normal customer.

Taobao.com is own by Alibaba too, but more aim at supplier than customer. So sometime, you have to buy like 10 times the same thing and then they will sell it to you.

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Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on September 28, 2014, 11:38:28 am
OK thanks, I have emailed James Smith at Friend Group (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/motorized-curtain-system-4-3-m-wide-or-customized/893303415.html) on Aliexpress with my requirements.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on September 28, 2014, 12:45:00 pm
So if you were going to also utilise the S1 and S2 ports on the Fibaro relay module and add a wall switch, what type of switch would you need to use?

"Monostable is when we release the physical button, it came back in normal position."
"Bistable is when we release the physical button, it stay in his pushed position."

Dooya have a switch here (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Dooya-smart-home-electric-curtain-remote-control-one-button-switch-dc865a/1839530109.html) which is expensive with shipping.

Any examples of inexpensive suitable roller shutter wall switches?

Cheers

Also is there any stop functionality on the Fibaro relay or just open / close? Seen some switches also have a stop button on them.

EDIT:

From the relay manual

The local operation can be realized by a double switching paddle (bistable) or a double button (monostable). The connected switch type must be selected according to the inclusion by setting the configuration parameter 14. The local switch is connected with the motor control insert as shown in the schematics. If a bistable switch is connected it has to stay connected until the motor control insert is included into the Z-Wave network.

Fibaro Roller Shutter allows for connecting push buttons to S1 and S2 terminals. These may be momentary or toggle switches, alternatively. Push buttons are responsible for managing the blind?s movement.

Using momentary switches:

Clicking UP button connected to S1 terminal, initiates up movement. Clicking button connected to S2 terminal, initiates down movement.

If the blind is moving, each click, of any button, will stop the movement. In addition a button click sends a command frame to I-st association group devices. In case of venetian blinds, it?s possible to manage the lamellas angle. Operating Mode - Venetian Blind, or Parameter 10 value set to 2.

Holding connected to S1 terminal initiates lamellas rotation up. Holding connected to S2 terminal initiates lamellas rotation down. In addition a button hold sends a Fibar Command Class control frame to II-nd association group devices.

Using toggle switches:

Changing switch key position, connected to S1 terminal, initiates up movement. Changing switch key position, connected to S2 terminal, initiates down movement. Choosing a middle position stops the blind.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: peterluc8080 on September 28, 2014, 12:55:31 pm
Check the Fibaro Shutter manual in the second post of this link : http://forum.fibaro.com/viewtopic.php?p=39273

It say what type of switch you can use.

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Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: peterluc8080 on September 28, 2014, 12:56:33 pm
So if you were going to also utilise the S1 and S2 ports on the Fibaro relay module and add a wall switch, what type of switch would you need to use?

"Monostable is when we release the physical button, it came back in normal position."
"Bistable is when we release the physical button, it stay in his pushed position."

Dooya have a switch here (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Dooya-smart-home-electric-curtain-remote-control-one-button-switch-dc865a/1839530109.html) which is expensive with shipping.

Any examples of inexpensive suitable roller shutter wall switches?

Cheers

Also is there any stop functionality on the Fibaro relay or just open / close? Seen some switches also have a stop button on them.

EDIT:

From the relay manual

"The local operation can be realized by a double switching paddle (bistable) or a double button (monostable). The connected switch type must be selected according to the inclusion by setting the configuration parameter 14. The local switch is connected with the motor control insert as shown in the schematics. If a bistable switch is connected it has to stay connected until the motor control insert is included into the Z-Wave network."

Exactly

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Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on September 29, 2014, 05:11:47 am
I got a price from Friend Group for a 2.3 metre track (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/electric-curtain-system-2-3m-wide-or-customized/402554_893249478.html) with the Dooya DT52S motor is 84.22 GBP shipped. Which is 136.68 USD. Which I don't think is too bad. Plus another 40 GBP for the Fibaro blind (http://store.zwaveeurope.com/product_info.php?products_id=12237) control relay.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on September 29, 2014, 05:54:00 am
I ordered 4 curtain track (+/-18 feets)  with with the motor for around 110$ US each.

18 Feet is 5.4 Metres at $110 each, is cheaper than my price at $136.68 for only a 2.3 metre track. But I guess you did order four of them, which probably brought the price down somewhat.

EDIT: That's their best price for me on a single order, so I have bought it now. Will let you know how I get on with it.

Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on September 29, 2014, 12:25:45 pm
Think I will buy this wall switch here (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/250VAC-16A-SPST-Double-Gang-Button-White-Square-Wall-Plate-Panel-Switch-/161241621592?) to connect to the Fibaro blind control. Its cheap and looks similar to my Duwi Everlux switches.
Hope a switch like this would work!

Just seen this Siemens (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Siemens-Modern-Design-Light-Switch-Socket-Vista-White-1-2-3-4-Gang-2-Way-/120969423420?var=420089385969&_trksid=p2056016.l4276) one which looks alright.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: peterluc8080 on September 29, 2014, 01:15:56 pm
Think I will buy this wall switch here (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/250VAC-16A-SPST-Double-Gang-Button-White-Square-Wall-Plate-Panel-Switch-/161241621592?) to connect to the Fibaro blind control. Its cheap and looks similar to my Duwi Everlux switches.
Hope a switch like this would work!

Just seen this Siemens (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Siemens-Modern-Design-Light-Switch-Socket-Vista-White-1-2-3-4-Gang-2-Way-/120969423420?var=420089385969&_trksid=p2056016.l4276) one which looks alright.


Hi, this seem a on and off switch at first sight.

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Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on September 29, 2014, 01:24:32 pm
Think I will buy this wall switch here (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/250VAC-16A-SPST-Double-Gang-Button-White-Square-Wall-Plate-Panel-Switch-/161241621592?) to connect to the Fibaro blind control. Its cheap and looks similar to my Duwi Everlux switches.
Hope a switch like this would work!

Just seen this Siemens (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Siemens-Modern-Design-Light-Switch-Socket-Vista-White-1-2-3-4-Gang-2-Way-/120969423420?var=420089385969&_trksid=p2056016.l4276) one which looks alright.


Hi, this seem a on and off switch at first sight.


Yeah they are just light switches. Why is that not going to work?

Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: peterluc8080 on September 29, 2014, 01:28:15 pm
Yes it will work, if you wire left side to open and/or right side to close it will be fine. But if you click the open switch it will open completly. You wont have a stop button to stop it like at 50%.

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Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on September 29, 2014, 01:32:43 pm
Yes it will work, if you wire left side to open and/or right side to close it will be fine. But if you click the open switch it will open completly. You wont have a stop button to stop it like at 50%.

Well I assumed one button on the switch would open the curtains and the other button on the switch would close them.

As for stop at 50% that would be a nice feature to have but not essential. Not sure what type of switch I would need to buy in that case, to be able to stop the curtains?

Cheers
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 29, 2014, 08:10:07 am
Hi

I've started my Z-wave curtain installation.

Part 1 (http://windowsmediacenter.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/budget-z-wave-curtain-tracks-with-vera.html) Overview

Part 2 (http://windowsmediacenter.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/budget-z-wave-curtain-tracks-with-vera_28.html) Un-boxing kit

Part 3 (http://windowsmediacenter.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/budget-z-wave-curtain-tracks-with-vera_65.html) Installation and Wiring

Parts 4 and 5 to following showing the completed installation and Vera setup plus some extras!  ;D
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 30, 2014, 03:46:50 pm
Part four and five are now on the blog

Part 4 (http://windowsmediacenter.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/budget-z-wave-curtain-tracks-with-vera_30.html) - Wiring continued (wall switch)

Part 5 (http://windowsmediacenter.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/budget-z-wave-curtain-tracks-with-vera_47.html)- Vera setup and remote control options
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: conchordian on March 25, 2015, 11:57:40 pm
Thanks for the write up, cw-kid.  It looks great.  Still happy with it?  Anything for you'd do differently besides ordering more hoops?
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on March 26, 2015, 04:45:26 am
Hi

Yeah I'm still very happy with the install and everything is still working great. I did get some more hoops from the supplier and the curtains hang much better, more hoops the better I would say.

If I was to do it again? I would have used the correct triple and earth cable from the Fibaro Blind insert to the wall switch.

Also a reader on the blog left an interesting comment about also using the Dooya wall switch and RF remote. Which you might want to consider.

Comment from the blog:

"I used Dooya emitter as the switch of S1 and S2 which can be controlled remotely using its controller via 433MHz in parallel. Setting Parameter 10 as 1 (Toggle switch). It works perfectly using both Vera and Dooya 433MHz remote controller. Please ntoe that just use Up/Down on Dooya transmitter connecting to S1 and S2 only."

It works great in Vera and with the wall switch I installed and with my Aeon Minimote remote control.  ;)
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: nullx8 on April 18, 2015, 08:57:52 pm
cw-kid .. do you have the same issue that the fibaro shutter 2 reports 100% after polling,
if set the courtain to anything cmaller than 100%.

everything working perfectly for me as well .. just this tiny issue.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on April 19, 2015, 08:03:06 am
cw-kid .. do you have the same issue that the fibaro shutter 2 reports 100% after polling,
if set the courtain to anything cmaller than 100%.

everything working perfectly for me as well .. just this tiny issue.

Not that I have noticed, but I will try it and report back later.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on April 20, 2015, 02:41:00 pm
Sorry for the delay.

Right if I set my curtains to 45% then on the Fibaro Blind Control module device in the Vera web UI, it correctly then says 45%.

If I wait five minutes it still says 45% and if I reload Vera it still says 45%.

However if I click the spanner icon on the device and go to settings and hit the poll now button, it polls it and it then changes to 100%.

So that doesn't seem quite right, is this what you are seeing also?

Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: zwavemotors on April 20, 2015, 06:07:48 pm
I have a customer with a new Vera Edge and UI7 recently complaining about the same thing. Please confirm which Vera and UI you are using
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: nullx8 on April 20, 2015, 09:10:53 pm
this apears to be a Driver error unless zwavemotors use fibaro modules as well ;)

i use VeraLite UI5 (1.5.672)

as noted before, everyhing works as expected, just the polled values are wrong.
thats kind of anoying, because i have a button tablet, and the push-action is decided by the status of the courtain.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on April 21, 2015, 03:48:33 am
Someone suggested as a work around setting the poll value to 0 (never).

Have you tried this yet?
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: nullx8 on April 21, 2015, 03:50:14 am
Someone suggested as a work around setting the poll value to 0 (never).

yeah well then i can use a Broadlink system for 10% of the price too :P
without polling its impossible to know if the status has been changed by another device (remote)
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: Brientim on April 21, 2015, 04:02:44 am
As you can use the rfxtrx 433 with Dooya RF as well.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on April 21, 2015, 04:32:14 am
Someone suggested as a work around setting the poll value to 0 (never).

yeah well then i can use a Broadlink system for 10% of the price too :P
without polling its impossible to know if the status has been changed by another device (remote)

True!

Has anyone contacted support or Fibaro about this issue? Will keep an eye out on the net for any solutions.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on April 21, 2015, 07:55:33 am
I've just disabled the polling on my Fibaro Blind Control module. Changing the value from 60 to 0 and then saving / reloading Vera.

Then using either the Vera web UI (UI5) or the Authomation HD app on my tablet or the physical wall switch for controlling the curtains.

It doesn't seem to matter which of these three methods of controlling the curtains I use, the current percentage status is correctly displayed.

For example if I change the curtains to 80% using the Vera web UI, then the Authomation HD app then shows it as 80%.

Or if I use the Authomation HD app to change the curtains to 70%, then the Vera web UI shows 70%

And if I use the wall switch to move the curtains to another position, then both the Vera web UI and the Authomation HD app show the correct percentage of that new position.

So it seems to work OK, if you disable the polling as far as I can see.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: nullx8 on April 21, 2015, 10:59:47 am
looks like  the shutter 2 supports "immideate reporting"

well in that case polling is not really required ...
i will try that as well
Title: Dooya DT52E
Post by: beckyrachel on January 26, 2016, 02:00:45 pm
Hi

I've seen mention of the Dooya DT52E and DT52S in a few places, I'm hoping someone has the specs/data I'm looking for.
I have a DT52E motor unit and curtain track, I've been asked to produce an IoT demo using it, but I can't find a spec for the RJ15 4 wire interface.  Is it a serial interface or just simple contacts for open/close?

Failing that - anyone found a way to use its Zigbee?

Rebecca
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: zwavemotors on January 27, 2016, 08:32:16 am
The RJ is a dry contact input
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: bangis on August 18, 2016, 11:13:16 am
Just wanted to thank cw-kid for posting his tutorial/experience.

I ended up ordering from Friend group off Aliexpress 4 sets each of motorized curtain rails and blackout blinds, and the folks there were extremely helpful. Unfortunately, I ended up not using the curtain rails (an interior design decision, as we decided not to have curtains anymore). Got the blinds in one piece, 3-4m in length, so had to ship them by sea. Luckily, I'm just in Asia so didn't take too long.

Connected these to manual switches, then paired them with TKB Z-wave controllers - http://www.tkbhome.com/?cn-p-d-255.html (essentially the equivalent of Fibaro, but priced lower) that turned out alright. Using a Vera Edge to control everything, including the Echo integration, so now have voice activated blinds. Happy camper!
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: snowbord on November 01, 2016, 08:47:13 pm
Ok I keep seeing the DT52S is a good pairing with a wall switch / Fibaro.. but what about the DT82TV, DT82TN or DT82TS, most notably the DT82TV? It seems to include a 12V transformer, has RF ability and supports an external heavy current switch (hence should be possible to link to Fibaro?).

I read somewhere that the 12V motors are noisy, based on experience of Somfy motors, but noone has said anything about the Dooya motors being noisy or quiet. The Aliexpress marketing states they are quiet.

It seems the Dooya DT82TV supports an external heavy current switch (230V) AND light-touch start (pull curtains to have them open / close to their fullest)?

Winner all round, then?
Cheers.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: snowbord on November 01, 2016, 09:09:53 pm
According to our good friend Scott from The Friend Group, the DT82TV DOES have soft-start (pull curtain to get the motor going). It also has 5 wires (Blue, black, white, brown, green). Does this motor do it all?!

Quote
"Yes, it is with a remote controller.
and the motor has soft-start (pull curtain and motor will start)"

"Yes, the motor can be controlled by livolo switch, but pls use switch for motor, not for light.
The motor can also be controlled by Fibaro / Z-wave controller."
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: xnoodle on November 09, 2016, 10:09:37 am
Per Scott,

Quote
DT82TN can be contolled by remote controller,
DT82TS is controlled by your wired wall switch and wired smarthome controller
DT82TV can be controlled by our remote controller, and your wired wall switch and wired smarthome controller.
DT82TS has no light-touch start function, when you pull the curtain, motor will sun to open or close curtain,
82TN and 82TV has this function.

It does appear the DT82TV does it all.

I ordered one. Will be connecting it to a Aeon Labs DSC14104 (US frequencies) and a Leviton momentary switch.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: shallowearth on November 13, 2016, 02:41:29 am
How do you power the DT82TV?  Do you have to hardwire it?
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: xnoodle on November 19, 2016, 05:43:20 pm
Yes, the DT82TV takes A/C power. Dooya site has a DT82LE too, that has a lithium ion battery.

I got my track and motor.

I have it all wired and hooked up, so currently it can be operated by a momentary switch (through the Aeon Labs DSC14104), via the included 433mhz remote, as well as the curtain tug soft-start. Haven't found where I stashed my Vera 3 yet, but I imagine since I can operate it through the momentary switch, the Z-Wave portion shouldn't be a problem.

Fairly quiet. Unscientific sound meter app on phone puts it about 35dBa for the curtains operating.


Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: marcusearl on December 18, 2016, 11:51:43 am
Hello,

Has anyone got a DT82TV working with a Fibaro FGR222? When I try and calibrate the system I get a bit of movement and the LED on the Fibaro flashes red.

Anybody got an idea what the issue might be?

Thanks,

Marcus
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: reneboer on December 19, 2016, 05:17:39 am
Hi,

This is a kickstarter that is about to go to market https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/41829059/slide-make-your-existing-curtains-smart (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/41829059/slide-make-your-existing-curtains-smart). Lowest cost solution I have seen thus far and works on existing rail.

Cheers Rene
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: conchordian on January 13, 2017, 01:27:09 am
Hello,

Has anyone got a DT82TV working with a Fibaro FGR222? When I try and calibrate the system I get a bit of movement and the LED on the Fibaro flashes red.

Anybody got an idea what the issue might be?

Thanks,

Marcus

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=38794.0#msg290271
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: bixy on January 19, 2017, 12:13:55 pm

The motor can also be controlled by Fibaro / Z-wave controller."
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How exactly do you wire the DT82TV, it has 5 wire, on Fibaro roller Shutter 2? I can't calibrate it.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: conchordian on January 19, 2017, 07:16:09 pm

How exactly do you wire the DT82TV, it has 5 wire, on Fibaro roller Shutter 2?

http://windowsmediacenter.blogspot.com.au/2014/10/budget-z-wave-curtain-tracks-with-vera_65.html

Quote
I can't calibrate it.

Look at the post directly above yours.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: bixy on January 21, 2017, 03:24:31 am
I have to calibrate 34 motors DT82TV with Fibaroo Roller Shutter 2 and I use Fibaro Home Center2. When I try and calibrate the system I get a bit of movement and that's it, I think that must be a way to calibrate it without using light.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: conchordian on January 21, 2017, 08:37:06 pm
I think that must be a way to calibrate it without using light.

Please post if you find a way.  I tried for days without success.
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on June 27, 2018, 07:24:27 pm
I'm confused so this newer DT82TV motor is a low voltage DC motor? Or is a mains AC voltage motor?


Features of DT82TV, a motor combined funtion of DT82TN & DT82TS.
1. Specially silent motor
2. Elegant operation funtion
3. Electric memorized limit funtion
4. Integrated radio controll
5. Obstruction detection
6. light touch start funtion
7. Manual override
8. The third limit position
9. Compatible external dry contact switch
10. compatible with strong current switch
11. Compatible with hotel room card system
12. RS485 communication funtion
13. AC100V-240V votage
14. Built-in transformer, DC motor
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on June 27, 2018, 07:32:07 pm
Just seen this they have a Dooya motor with in-built Z-Wave now?

https://products.z-wavealliance.org/products/2862

Same model number?

DT82TV/F-1.2/14
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: itkachuk on October 02, 2018, 04:56:18 am
Just seen this they have a Dooya motor with in-built Z-Wave now?

https://products.z-wavealliance.org/products/2862

Same model number?

DT82TV/F-1.2/14

So, does anyone know, where to buy this model? Search gives only DT82TV model, which doesn't include z-wave chip.
Just curious, is it available in stock anywhere, or still "awaiting release" ?
Title: Re: Affordable Electric Curtain Tracks - Z-wave integration
Post by: cw-kid on October 09, 2018, 11:41:40 am
Just seen this they have a Dooya motor with in-built Z-Wave now?

https://products.z-wavealliance.org/products/2862

Same model number?

DT82TV/F-1.2/14

So, does anyone know, where to buy this model? Search gives only DT82TV model, which doesn't include z-wave chip.
Just curious, is it available in stock anywhere, or still "awaiting release" ?

I asked Scott from Friend Group on Aliexpress about that particular motor and he said he was unable to source it currently.

However I have since seen one listing on Aliexpress for a Z-Wave curtain motor, but not sure of these details about it.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Z-Wave-plus-Automatic-Electric-Curtain-Motors-opener-operator-driver-for-Smart-Home-Compatible-with-fibaro/32893505000.html?spm=a2g0s.8937460.0.0.6a4c2e0eQlpZTt