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Title: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Roger on February 27, 2019, 12:47:01 pm
We have updates to our Hardware, Firmware and Device Integration Roadmap:

Hardware Roadmap

Coming in June:   

Ezlo Atom
Introducing the world's smallest control hub, Ezlo Atom is the ideal entry point if you are looking to create home control services. Designed for ultimate extensibility, this hub can plug directly into any USB port for power or, for OEMs, can be embedded in other products. Users will enjoy control of Z-Wave devices including lights, thermostats, door locks, and more. Its called Atom for a reason, its more tiny but powerful! And the price will be so low, it will shock you!

Fortrezz
An advanced leak detection and flood prevention solution
We will release native support for our Fortrezz Devices (Water Valve Shut-Off and sensors).

Coming in 3Q19:

Ezlo PlugHub

A single device with three purposes, the Ezlo PlugHub can act as a smart plug, control hub, and energy monitor, all in one discreet form factor. Enabling control of Z-Wave and Wi-Fi devices including lights, sensors, door locks, thermostats, and more, the PlugHub is a simple, cost-effective foundation for any home control system. Why by a smartplug when you can buy PlugHub for less money!

Watch this space for more devices coming in the ecosystem!
   
Firmware Roadmap    
Coming in June   
The new Ezlo hardware will benefit from new firmware that will make it easier to integrate new device classes. We will also add support for Microservices.

Integration Roadmap    
Planned for May:   
Nest Smoke and CO Detector
Nest OAuth 2.0
Nest E-Thermostat
Nest Camera
Honeywell Lyric / TCC (RCH9310WF)
Google Home (excluding cameras)
Alexa in Spanish
2GiG Leak Detection
Wiz Lights Support
Many more in the pipeline for 3Q19, including expanded support for Zigbee devices.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on February 27, 2019, 01:09:45 pm
Great work guys!

You are doing an excellent work giving visibility to amazing engineering department we have! Good job guys, keep up the amazing work!
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Sender on February 27, 2019, 02:30:15 pm
Ok, this starts to get some shape. Little detail, but that will come?
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on February 27, 2019, 03:09:35 pm
Ok, this starts to get some shape. Little detail, but that will come?

Like I said before....now we have an engineering organization that is structured, disciplined and made up of amazing people. Visibility will come regularly.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: ivx on February 27, 2019, 03:50:21 pm
Ok from this roadmap i can make assumptions again, there won't be no new real hardware hubs for this year, just some toys.
Now question arise, will the future will be toy hardware hubs + cloud only or there will be powerfull stanalone with cloud support hub too ?
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on February 27, 2019, 04:04:15 pm
Ok from this roadmap i can make assumptions again, there won't be no new real hardware hubs for this year, just some toys.
Now question arise, will the future will be toy hardware hubs + cloud only or there will be powerfull stanalone with cloud support hub too ?

define powerful?
Because Ezlo Atom can handle more devices connected in parallel and respond faster.

Just because you make a big hardware and put linux to run it, doesn't make it "powerful"...it makes it inefficient! Power comes from doing the same things faster, more of it and do so consuming less resources. That is what Ezlo Atom is!
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Catman on February 27, 2019, 04:33:51 pm
Hi Melih

Not sure if you want to talk to your web people, or are planning on expanding more devices, but your current list is 7? 4 lights and 3 sirens. I'm assuming this is not complete.

It very much reads, from the website, that both these devices are cloud only?

Cheers

C
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: therealdb on February 27, 2019, 05:24:01 pm
It still amaze me how you guys are screwing us by completely ignoring Fibaro FGS223. Two years and counting.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Domoworking on February 27, 2019, 07:26:32 pm
It still amaze me how you guys are screwing us by completely ignoring Fibaro FGS223. Two years and counting.
Yes, Fibaro is for sure one of The most common zwave brand in Europe....
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: ivx on February 28, 2019, 03:34:45 am
Ok from this roadmap i can make assumptions again, there won't be no new real hardware hubs for this year, just some toys.
Now question arise, will the future will be toy hardware hubs + cloud only or there will be powerfull stanalone with cloud support hub too ?

define powerful?
Because Ezlo Atom can handle more devices connected in parallel and respond faster.

Just because you make a big hardware and put linux to run it, doesn't make it "powerful"...it makes it inefficient! Power comes from doing the same things faster, more of it and do so consuming less resources. That is what Ezlo Atom is!
Hardware must be powerful enough to run stable and secure OS(not just some stripped linux) for 5 years with all OS updates.
Internal storage must be meet all requirements not just few GB.
Full version linux opens doors to more programming tools and libraries, not just some limited options.

Now days probably something like this(keeping HW in reasonly priced):
Quad core ARM
4 GB RAM
64 GB eMMC
Good 2.4/5GHZ wifi adapter, not some cheap rangeless toy.
z-wave serires 700 chip with good antenna
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Sorin on February 28, 2019, 12:16:35 pm
It still amaze me how you guys are screwing us by completely ignoring Fibaro FGS223. Two years and counting.

Hey Google, turn ON my Fibaro FGS-223 switch!

Because we know how much you love to control your Fibaro FGS-223 with Google Home and Vera, I have some great news for you.

We have fixed the issues regarding Fibaro FGS-223 delays when controlled and it will be part of the upcoming 7.29 Vera firmware release alongside Google Home integration

LE: Bonus fix!


+ Surprise integration

Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on February 28, 2019, 12:38:21 pm
Ok from this roadmap i can make assumptions again, there won't be no new real hardware hubs for this year, just some toys.
Now question arise, will the future will be toy hardware hubs + cloud only or there will be powerfull stanalone with cloud support hub too ?

define powerful?
Because Ezlo Atom can handle more devices connected in parallel and respond faster.

Just because you make a big hardware and put linux to run it, doesn't make it "powerful"...it makes it inefficient! Power comes from doing the same things faster, more of it and do so consuming less resources. That is what Ezlo Atom is!
Hardware must be powerful enough to run stable and secure OS(not just some stripped linux) for 5 years with all OS updates.
Internal storage must be meet all requirements not just few GB.
Full version linux opens doors to more programming tools and libraries, not just some limited options.

Now days probably something like this(keeping HW in reasonly priced):
Quad core ARM
4 GB RAM
64 GB eMMC
Good 2.4/5GHZ wifi adapter, not some cheap rangeless toy.
z-wave serires 700 chip with good antenna

You are defining the biggest horse...not necessarily the fastest! I dont' subscribe to the way you describe the most powerful. For me most powerful is the one who does the "tasks" faster, better using less resources....

Our plan is to give you the most powerful home automation. It will be faster than whats out there.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: nirgal on February 28, 2019, 12:56:39 pm
@Sorin
What about Alexa and roller shutter support?
( without the need to create scripts )

Thanks,
Nir
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: therealdb on February 28, 2019, 12:59:34 pm
Because we know how much you love to control your Fibaro FGS-223 with Google Home and Vera, I have some great news for you.

We have fixed the issues regarding Fibaro FGS-223 delays when controlled and it will be part of the upcoming 7.29 Vera firmware release alongside Google Home integration

Thanks guys for listening. My wife will definitely appreciate it. And I will too. Happy wife means more automations  :D
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Matsohl on February 28, 2019, 01:00:50 pm
It still amaze me how you guys are screwing us by completely ignoring Fibaro FGS223. Two years and counting.

We have fixed the issues regarding Fibaro FGS-223 delays when controlled and it will be part of the upcoming 7.29 Vera firmware release alongside Google Home integration


Great, Finally!  ;D

Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on February 28, 2019, 04:26:38 pm
Because we know how much you love to control your Fibaro FGS-223 with Google Home and Vera, I have some great news for you.

We have fixed the issues regarding Fibaro FGS-223 delays when controlled and it will be part of the upcoming 7.29 Vera firmware release alongside Google Home integration

Thanks guys for listening. My wife will definitely appreciate it. And I will too. Happy wife means more automations  :D

Love the Slogan.... "Happy Wife More Automation" !!!! we found our marketing slogan!
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: svaleb on February 28, 2019, 04:55:37 pm
Any news about Fibaro thermostat ?
(15 month) and upgrade through Vera.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: tbully on February 28, 2019, 05:20:20 pm
Still unclear somewhat...  Is the Atom or PlugHub a replacement for the existing Vera platform?  I assume so.  Will there be a way to do a clean migration?  I have 150+ ZWave devices that I had to reprogram, fix scenes, PLEG, etc when I moved to Vera Secure.

If I have to do that again, I'll do a normal bake-off between other platforms.

If it's an easy/safe migration....well...then....the choice is much easier.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on February 28, 2019, 05:29:39 pm
Still unclear somewhat...  Is the Atom or PlugHub a replacement for the existing Vera platform?  I assume so.  Will there be a way to do a clean migration?  I have 150+ ZWave devices that I had to reprogram, fix scenes, PLEG, etc when I moved to Vera Secure.

If I have to do that again, I'll do a normal bake-off between other platforms.

If it's an easy/safe migration....well...then....the choice is much easier.

You can continue using your existing hardware. You don't have to switch.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: tbully on February 28, 2019, 05:30:58 pm
Still unclear somewhat...  Is the Atom or PlugHub a replacement for the existing Vera platform?  I assume so.  Will there be a way to do a clean migration?  I have 150+ ZWave devices that I had to reprogram, fix scenes, PLEG, etc when I moved to Vera Secure.

If I have to do that again, I'll do a normal bake-off between other platforms.

If it's an easy/safe migration....well...then....the choice is much easier.

You can continue using your existing hardware. You don't have to switch.

Thanks.  I appreciate the response.  My question stemmed from the thought that if I DID choose to switch, is there a migration plan (especially for the ZWave network).

Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: pcarneyhome on February 28, 2019, 05:36:51 pm
Any idea when the Alexa API will be re-written to include sensors as triggers for Alexa routines?
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Domoworking on February 28, 2019, 05:43:47 pm
It still amaze me how you guys are screwing us by completely ignoring Fibaro FGS223. Two years and counting.

Hey Google, turn ON my Fibaro FGS-223 switch!

Because we know how much you love to control your Fibaro FGS-223 with Google Home and Vera, I have some great news for you.

We have fixed the issues regarding Fibaro FGS-223 delays when controlled and it will be part of the upcoming 7.29 Vera firmware release alongside Google Home integration

LE: Bonus fix!

  • Fixed issues regarding Fibaro FGS-223 delays when controlled

+ Surprise integration

  • Google Home Integration (excluding cameras)

This is definitely The greatest news in The last 5 months. I personally really appreciate that.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on February 28, 2019, 07:02:48 pm
It still amaze me how you guys are screwing us by completely ignoring Fibaro FGS223. Two years and counting.

Hey Google, turn ON my Fibaro FGS-223 switch!

Because we know how much you love to control your Fibaro FGS-223 with Google Home and Vera, I have some great news for you.

We have fixed the issues regarding Fibaro FGS-223 delays when controlled and it will be part of the upcoming 7.29 Vera firmware release alongside Google Home integration

LE: Bonus fix!

  • Fixed issues regarding Fibaro FGS-223 delays when controlled

+ Surprise integration

  • Google Home Integration (excluding cameras)

This is definitely The greatest news in The last 5 months. I personally really appreciate that.

We always listen to your guys....just needed some time to put things in order...now you have an amazing engineering organization that can keep deliver brilliant things for you guys! This is only the start.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: idrabble on March 01, 2019, 03:43:04 pm


+ Surprise integration

  • Google Home Integration (excluding cameras)

Is this going to be a global release or just USA?
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Grwebster on March 01, 2019, 05:03:10 pm
I need to do some research on the Atom.  I read it was Z-Wave, but don?t remember Zigbee or Bluetooth.   Also not sure if Atom requires the cloud to run or can run stand alone?  I really want a system that can run regardless of the status of the internet connection.


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Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: zedrally on March 01, 2019, 05:19:18 pm
^^^
The Specs tell you nothing.
https://ezlo.com/projects-solutions/ezlo-atom/ezlo-atom-tech-spec/ (https://ezlo.com/projects-solutions/ezlo-atom/ezlo-atom-tech-spec/)


Might be a Atom 2, but if it's USB I don't see it having local control.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: mzpost on March 01, 2019, 06:14:46 pm
It would be nice to see a new vera unit (no matter what its called) that has the addition of apple homekit so that its once again up to date and able to control all of the main protocols.  For me that has always been one of the advantages of Vera.  As a user you can then build a system from the various items that work best for you, ao a good hardware improvement into a next gen would be nice.

Its good to see new hardware but it feels like this is a diversion into a "consumer" product that is far from having a "pro" angle.  So far sounds like something that's aimed at selling lots on amazon but missed out most of the key bits (I get it, everyone needs revenue to stay afloat).

I've used a vera for years across many different modes but it looks like it could end up getting replaced for us as other things are becoming a more attractive option.  The wide range of apps created by the user base have been a strong pull for us for a very long time but again other mfrs are starting to catch up and providing things built in or a similar app store.  For the last few years good devs have been moving to other platforms and the excellent deves that keep their apps going for Vera are one of its stregths but they have not always been treated very well (the hue app was one example). (we're hugely grateful to those devs of the apps we rely on).

Interested to see the new hardware and firmware, hopefully the future will be bright and some of the long term issues will be resolved as the next big step comes. 
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Grwebster on March 01, 2019, 06:48:26 pm
My concern as well, and the small write up only mentions Z wave.   I do think there is a place for a low cost solution, but I want more than that.


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Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Grwebster on March 01, 2019, 06:50:30 pm
My concern as well, and the small write up only mentions Z wave.   I do think there is a place for a low cost solution, but I want more than that.


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Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Catman on March 02, 2019, 02:59:43 am
I need to do some research on the Atom.  I read it was Z-Wave, but don?t remember Zigbee or Bluetooth.   Also not sure if Atom requires the cloud to run or can run stand alone?  I really want a system that can run regardless of the status of the internet connection.


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I asked that question specifically on the thread. They both look like cloud only to me, but...

C
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: rafale77 on March 02, 2019, 04:14:50 am
I need to do some research on the Atom.  I read it was Z-Wave, but don?t remember Zigbee or Bluetooth.   Also not sure if Atom requires the cloud to run or can run stand alone?  I really want a system that can run regardless of the status of the internet connection.


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I asked that question specifically on the thread. They both look like cloud only to me, but...

C

No need for an iris or ST clone on the market. If that's the direction ezlo is going, it will be without many of us.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Catman on March 02, 2019, 04:18:40 am

No need for an iris or ST clone on the market. If that's the direction ezlo is going, it will be without many of us.


Certainly that would be a trigger for me to seriously consider alternatives.  Interestingly (perhaps) I was invited to a dinner on Thursday to discuss, specifically, avoiding the pitfalls of cloud migration.  One of the statics quoted was that some *57%* of applications that have been migrated to the cloud are being wholly or partially migrated back.....

C
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Domoworking on March 02, 2019, 07:30:33 am
A little bit offtopic, but..... Cloud is mainly a business model that enable company to mantain fixed income and raise earning, but is not really a beneficio for users, at least not always.

Think about some cloud only devices, like Netatmo, nest, or even Arlo: if you loose internet connection you loose almost every kind of control on The device. If they close for any reason cloud services, you get a very expensive paper holder! The same appens if they drop support for you version.
If you look around you may find old thermostat that has been lasting for 10 or 15 years doing their job.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 02, 2019, 10:59:59 am
I need to do some research on the Atom.  I read it was Z-Wave, but don?t remember Zigbee or Bluetooth.   Also not sure if Atom requires the cloud to run or can run stand alone?  I really want a system that can run regardless of the status of the internet connection.


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I asked that question specifically on the thread. They both look like cloud only to me, but...

C

No they are not cloud only....

Let me give you some insight into our development teams for our Controllers

we have 2 different Controller software....

1)our own firmware (RTOS)
2)Linux based firmware

We come from a background where 40Kilobytes is a lot in terms of code! In order to turn your light on you don't need to be running quad core ARM processor with Linux....a very simple firmware can do that. So we have been developing, last few years, our own RTOS (Real Time Operating System) specifically designed for IoT/Home Automation. Its tiny compared to other Operating systems and its darn fast! We try to do everything locally, its much cheaper to do that :)

We also have a linux based firmware that we run, for stuff like Video processing etc.....(can't tell you about all the capabilities like face recognition, object recognition, gesture recognition etc we will be launching that will have a cloud component).

Bottom line is our belief system is that we try to do it locally if its possible. If there are areas of improvement you guys identify whereby we had a brain fart and made something reliant on cloud whereas we could have made it run locally, please do tell us, we will fix it asap, or provide you our logic as to why it is cloud etc and start the discussion.

We are all aligned in terms of your needs. We want to give you what you need and want, that is our goal!

Engineering teams have started delivering and have a good cadence. Now we need to bring amazingly powerful (small, cheap but powerful...thats why its called Atom....its all about the firmware!) controllers with almost 100% integration with everything you can buy!


Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Sender on March 02, 2019, 11:05:20 am
controllers with almost 100% integration with everything you can buy!

Zwave is enough for a start.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 02, 2019, 11:21:47 am
controllers with almost 100% integration with everything you can buy!

Zwave is enough for a start.

Now that engineering organisation is ready, please allow me to give you more insight.
We have an "Integration Team". This team is made up of 2 main divisions
1)Cloud Integration Team: Where they focus on integrating stuff like google home, alexa, cloud based stuff...
2)Zwave/Zigbee/Bluetooth : Where they focus on integration of any commercially available devices. They have started with Zwave team first. The other teams are building. Zwave integration is ongoing.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: rafale77 on March 02, 2019, 11:39:45 am
No they are not cloud only....

Glad to hear!

We come from a background where 40Kilobytes is a lot in terms of code! In order to turn your light on you don't need to be running quad core ARM processor with Linux....a very simple firmware can do that. So we have been developing, last few years, our own RTOS (Real Time Operating System) specifically designed for IoT/Home Automation. Its tiny compared to other Operating systems and its darn fast! We try to do everything locally, its much cheaper to do that :)

In itself very true but do not underestimate the load involved to handle the amount of communication from the Stack API. It turns out many controller company underestimated it. We are not turning a single light bulb on and off. It needs to handle the entire bandwidth of 2-3 different radios, manage and store all the data. It is why the most stable and successful platforms are.... a tad bit more powerful than the vera. You cannot scale your platform based on a 30 devices model and say, that's plenty.  I am appalled when see the sheer absurdity of the storage usage on the current veras for example.... Think about extendibility and future proofing...

Now that engineering organisation is ready, please allow me to give you more insight.
2)Zwave/Zigbee/Bluetooth : Where they focus on integration of any commercially available devices. They have started with Zwave team first. The other teams are building. Zwave integration is ongoing.

While this is good, please I beg you to consider focusing on integrating the home automation stacks rather than the individual devices so that your users can create the individual devices on their own. The current platform is very limited in this respect and a large number of our problems comes from the excessive and buggy automation and integration of these commercially available devices which evolve, have different firmwares etc.. The community can then supply you with the individual device integrations..Child device creation and deletion should not be automated for example. They should be at least user acknowledged. The user device database should be split between configuration and status items. status being updated and saved on a regular basis and configuration to be only modified under user control. The current platform updates and corrupts both in the same file on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Grwebster on March 02, 2019, 12:55:10 pm
Looking to hear more about the atom.  Not sure that it has zigbe, blue tooth.  Does it have to plug into a computer that is on all the time?  Need to understand how it all comes together.


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Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 02, 2019, 01:04:38 pm
No they are not cloud only....

Glad to hear!

We come from a background where 40Kilobytes is a lot in terms of code! In order to turn your light on you don't need to be running quad core ARM processor with Linux....a very simple firmware can do that. So we have been developing, last few years, our own RTOS (Real Time Operating System) specifically designed for IoT/Home Automation. Its tiny compared to other Operating systems and its darn fast! We try to do everything locally, its much cheaper to do that :)

In itself very true but do not underestimate the load involved to handle the amount of communication from the Stack API. It turns out many controller company underestimated it. We are not turning a single light bulb on and off. It needs to handle the entire bandwidth of 2-3 different radios, manage and store all the data. It is why the most stable and successful platforms are.... a tad bit more powerful than the vera. You cannot scale your platform based on a 30 devices model and say, that's plenty.  I am appalled when see the sheer absurdity of the storage usage on the current veras for example.... Think about extendibility and future proofing...

Now that engineering organisation is ready, please allow me to give you more insight.
2)Zwave/Zigbee/Bluetooth : Where they focus on integration of any commercially available devices. They have started with Zwave team first. The other teams are building. Zwave integration is ongoing.

While this is good, please I beg you to consider focusing on integrating the home automation stacks rather than the individual devices so that your users can create the individual devices on their own. The current platform is very limited in this respect and a large number of our problems comes from the excessive and buggy automation and integration of these commercially available devices which evolve, have different firmwares etc.. The community can then supply you with the individual device integrations..Child device creation and deletion should not be automated for example. They should be at least user acknowledged. The user device database should be split between configuration and status items. status being updated and saved on a regular basis and configuration to be only modified under user control. The current platform updates and corrupts both in the same file on a regular basis.

Lets take Zwave stack as an example....we re-wrote it all! :) It wasn't fast enough for us. Now it is :)
We do test our creations to make sure they are the fastest before we release them...You will see the videos once product management is ready. As well as you will be able to test it yourself. Let me re-iterate, in this day and age where we are talking about gigahertz clocks for CPUs for home automation the biggest bottleneck is the firmware! Thats why we wrote it ourselves. Its all done, tested, working faster. We are just waiting on hardware to be manufactured and packaged. We will continue to improve our firmware with every release.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 02, 2019, 01:06:51 pm
Looking to hear more about the atom.  Not sure that it has zigbe, blue tooth.  Does it have to plug into a computer that is on all the time?  Need to understand how it all comes together.


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USB is for power only. It does NOT need a computer.

You can connect it to any USB power outlet...It has its own powerful computer inside! That little thing is the most powerful home automation out there! It can issue its instructions to devices faster than anyone else, and it can handle more devices in parallel! Thats why we called it Atom :) small but powerful!
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: tbully on March 02, 2019, 01:24:02 pm
As asked above.....will there be a way to migrate the zwave network (and other devices) from Vera to the new platform without having to start from scratch?


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Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Sender on March 02, 2019, 01:37:08 pm
Will configuration and logic be possible from the device itself without the need of cloud/internet like vera is currently?
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: intveltr on March 02, 2019, 02:15:56 pm

You can continue using your existing hardware. You don't have to switch.

Good, but... will the new firmware also be available on the existing hardware?  The new command classes are kind of a big deal, and without support for them the old hardware would become obsolete pretty fast.  Not afraid to spend money on new hardware, but having a migration path is vital. 
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 02, 2019, 03:00:09 pm

You can continue using your existing hardware. You don't have to switch.

Good, but... will the new firmware also be available on the existing hardware?  The new command classes are kind of a big deal, and without support for them the old hardware would become obsolete pretty fast.  Not afraid to spend money on new hardware, but having a migration path is vital.

of course, it will be backward compatible. we re-wrote the whole zwave command classes....people were amazed how efficient, fast it was....including zwave chip manufacturer themselves...:)
As mentioned previously...backward compatibility will come after the first release of the new firmware...(ie: we will release it with the new hardware first......then tidy up few things for backward compatibility and then launch it for old hardware)...
Now for the existing hardware we will use the "Linux Firmware" we have (not RTOS as our RTOS is CPU specific)...of course new re-written command classes will be included....
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: zedrally on March 02, 2019, 03:24:15 pm
I'm not seeing anything about RF433 intergration, is this radio included in the USB sized ATOM?
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Catman on March 02, 2019, 03:37:14 pm
Thanks, Melih.  This is (for me at least) useful insight :)

C
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 02, 2019, 03:58:21 pm
I'm not seeing anything about RF433 intergration, is this radio included in the USB sized ATOM?

This specific radio is not included in this version of USB Atom.
Because Atom is very cheap and multiple controllers act as one, you will be able to buy zwave, zigbee etc Atoms and just plug them wherever you want and they will all act as one. This way customers don't have to spend money on protocols they don't use.
However, we will have hardware platforms that will have all of the above, including RF433....(as well as 4G)..
We will provide the most comprehensive controllers/hubs platforms.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: zedrally on March 02, 2019, 03:59:22 pm
^^^
Thats what I really wanted to hear....
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: tbully on March 02, 2019, 04:02:05 pm
So I see responses to a big of really good questions.   For the third time, will there be a Zwave clear migration path for older users.   Or will be have to do a bunch of reassociations?


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Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 02, 2019, 04:04:21 pm
So I see responses to a big of really good questions.   For the third time, will there be a Zwave clear migration path for older users.   Or will be have to do a bunch of reassociations?


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Sorry, I thought i answered that when we were talking about backward compatibility.
As previously stated, backward compatibility is very important and it is our intention to make sure we can upgrade old hardware with new firmware seamlessly.
Title: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Grwebster on March 02, 2019, 04:04:50 pm
Looking to hear more about the atom.  Not sure that it has zigbe, blue tooth.  Does it have to plug into a computer that is on all the time?  Need to understand how it all comes together.


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USB is for power only. It does NOT need a computer.

You can connect it to any USB power outlet...It has its own powerful computer inside! That little thing is the most powerful home automation out there! It can issue its instructions to devices faster than anyone else, and it can handle more devices in parallel! Thats why we called it Atom :) small but powerful!
Good to hear.


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Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: tbully on March 02, 2019, 04:22:03 pm
So I see responses to a big of really good questions.   For the third time, will there be a Zwave clear migration path for older users.   Or will be have to do a bunch of reassociations?


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Sorry, I thought i answered that when we were talking about backward compatibility.
As previously stated, backward compatibility is very important and it is our intention to make sure we can upgrade old hardware with new firmware seamlessly.

Thanks.  I guess it was just a nomenclature breakdown.  I saw the backward compatibility responses. (Thanks).  I just know migrations through the Vera devices in the past have required redoing the entire zwave association.  With 150+ devices (some in the attic) that?s a real pain for me.

Thanks again
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Grwebster on March 02, 2019, 04:23:08 pm
I'm not seeing anything about RF433 intergration, is this radio included in the USB sized ATOM?

This specific radio is not included in this version of USB Atom.
Because Atom is very cheap and multiple controllers act as one, you will be able to buy zwave, zigbee etc Atoms and just plug them wherever you want and they will all act as one. This way customers don't have to spend money on protocols they don't use.
However, we will have hardware platforms that will have all of the above, including RF433....(as well as 4G)..
We will provide the most comprehensive controllers/hubs platforms.
Sounds good!


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Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 02, 2019, 04:47:29 pm
So I see responses to a big of really good questions.   For the third time, will there be a Zwave clear migration path for older users.   Or will be have to do a bunch of reassociations?


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Sorry, I thought i answered that when we were talking about backward compatibility.
As previously stated, backward compatibility is very important and it is our intention to make sure we can upgrade old hardware with new firmware seamlessly.

Thanks.  I guess it was just a nomenclature breakdown.  I saw the backward compatibility responses. (Thanks).  I just know migrations through the Vera devices in the past have required redoing the entire zwave association.  With 150+ devices (some in the attic) that?s a real pain for me.

Thanks again

We are hoping our updates should not cause that....
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: fje on March 02, 2019, 04:50:40 pm
And... will be the new hardware ready for the different Z-Wave frecuencies from the very beginning? That is, US, Europe, etc. etc.....
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 02, 2019, 04:52:03 pm
And... will be the new hardware ready for the different Z-Wave frecuencies from the very beginning? That is, US, Europe, etc. etc.....

yes.

Launch dates might not be exactly same dates....but we want to cover as much as we can.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: fje on March 02, 2019, 04:54:57 pm
And... will be the new hardware ready for the different Z-Wave frecuencies from the very beginning? That is, US, Europe, etc. etc.....

yes.

Launch dates might not be exactly same dates....but we want to cover as much as we can.

Good news! Thanks

Second question, if I have a Vera Edge in one house and a "new hardware (Atom?)" in other one, will it be possible to integrate both of them in the same control/management application as we can do today if we have two different VERA gateways in different sites, or will we have to install two applications each one for controlling the old and the new ones?

Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 02, 2019, 05:27:40 pm
And... will be the new hardware ready for the different Z-Wave frecuencies from the very beginning? That is, US, Europe, etc. etc.....

yes.

Launch dates might not be exactly same dates....but we want to cover as much as we can.

Good news! Thanks

Second question, if I have a Vera Edge in one house and a "new hardware (Atom?)" in other one, will it be possible to integrate both of them in the same control/management application as we can do today if we have two different VERA gateways in different sites, or will we have to install two applications each one for controlling the old and the new ones?

Yes if your old vera using our new firmware. We want to make all these controllers operate as one.....thats the goal.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: fje on March 02, 2019, 05:35:25 pm
And... will be the new hardware ready for the different Z-Wave frecuencies from the very beginning? That is, US, Europe, etc. etc.....

yes.

Launch dates might not be exactly same dates....but we want to cover as much as we can.

Good news! Thanks

Second question, if I have a Vera Edge in one house and a "new hardware (Atom?)" in other one, will it be possible to integrate both of them in the same control/management application as we can do today if we have two different VERA gateways in different sites, or will we have to install two applications each one for controlling the old and the new ones?

Yes if your old vera using our new firmware. We want to make all these controllers operate as one.....thats the goal.
Again good news . . . Thanks! :D

Now we hope that your goal of a smooth migration to the new firmware will be a reality and that the control/management application will also be easy to use for the easy things, as integrating devices, defining alarms, defining scenes, integrating plugins . . . ;D

Big work to do and high expectations to fulfill  ::). .  Best wishes in obtaining it :) . . . It will be also our benefit . . .  ;)
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 02, 2019, 05:43:39 pm
And... will be the new hardware ready for the different Z-Wave frecuencies from the very beginning? That is, US, Europe, etc. etc.....

yes.

Launch dates might not be exactly same dates....but we want to cover as much as we can.

Good news! Thanks

Second question, if I have a Vera Edge in one house and a "new hardware (Atom?)" in other one, will it be possible to integrate both of them in the same control/management application as we can do today if we have two different VERA gateways in different sites, or will we have to install two applications each one for controlling the old and the new ones?

Yes if your old vera using our new firmware. We want to make all these controllers operate as one.....thats the goal.
Again good news . . . Thanks! :D

Now we hope that your goal of a smooth migration to the new firmware will be a reality and that the control/management application will also be easy to use for the easy things, as integrating devices, defining alarms, defining scenes, integrating plugins . . . ;D

Big work to do and high expectations to fulfill  ::). .  Best wishes in obtaining it :) . . . It will be also our benefit . . .  ;)

Thank you. I am sure will hit some bumps on the way, but we have great people in development who will fix it quickly. Its about improving constantly.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: rotbard on March 03, 2019, 02:49:32 am
However, we will have hardware platforms that will have all of the above, including RF433....(as well as 4G)..
We will provide the most comprehensive controllers/hubs platforms.

As long as will be an easy path of migration from Vera.
Not all of us are engineers .....
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Dingin on March 04, 2019, 04:51:15 am
I'm not seeing anything about RF433 intergration, is this radio included in the USB sized ATOM?

This specific radio is not included in this version of USB Atom.
Because Atom is very cheap and multiple controllers act as one, you will be able to buy zwave, zigbee etc Atoms and just plug them wherever you want and they will all act as one. This way customers don't have to spend money on protocols they don't use.
However, we will have hardware platforms that will have all of the above, including RF433....(as well as 4G)..
We will provide the most comprehensive controllers/hubs platforms.

Thank you melih, thats what i am looking for 1 hardware that can have most of the radios and 4G!, in that regard, i do integrations, in the updates side, will you move to a monthly basis updates like every second Tuesday of the moth?. And on the controller side as i understood Ezlo is looking more for integrator and big telecom (that is what i got from CES2019) will there be a platform to manage controllers? ( configurations, alerts , online/ offline, updates ) that would be great to help costumers and our business ( not to mention our sanity). one example of this controller is the unifi controller from Ubiquiti that has help us tremendously in being in business.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Tarkus on March 04, 2019, 05:04:01 pm
When speaking of backwards compatibility does this include 3rd party apps such as PLEG and Reactor?
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: zedrally on March 04, 2019, 06:50:25 pm
^^^ Also backward compatibility with existing Hardware.
If we are tied into ATOM's for different frquencies etc. then it would be goodbye from many of us.
Drawing a long bow........it seems to be a concept that Zippato are using with add-on modules which is fine if you are just starting but not practicial if you already have existing Hardware.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 04, 2019, 07:06:49 pm
^^^ Also backward compatibility with existing Hardware.
If we are tied into ATOM's for different frquencies etc. then it would be goodbye from many of us.
Drawing a long bow........it seems to be a concept that Zippato are using with add-on modules which is fine if you are just starting but not practicial if you already have existing Hardware.

I don't quite understand your point.

Backward compatibility is for new firmware on old hardware. If you have old hardware with frequencies you want...just continue to use it...we will give you better firmware for it......
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: a-lurker on March 04, 2019, 08:29:59 pm
Will the updated firmware also be available for Vera 3 models?
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: yatagx on March 04, 2019, 10:07:46 pm
What is the future of MIOS?
 basically RTOS will be the new MIOS??
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: zedrally on March 05, 2019, 12:45:46 am

I don't quite understand your point.



Will I be able to plug my RFCom and UZB into ATOM (this seems vague so far) or will there be a intermediate hub liek a RasPi that all of this needs to be plugged into? I'm not seeing how these will be connected.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 05, 2019, 06:45:29 am
What is the future of MIOS?
 basically RTOS will be the new MIOS??

2 different firmware
1)based on RTOS
2)based on Linux

we will be providing and maintaining both. And both of them will have our new brand new command classes.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 05, 2019, 06:46:02 am
Will the updated firmware also be available for Vera 3 models?

hopefully yes.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 05, 2019, 06:49:34 am

I don't quite understand your point.



Will I be able to plug my RFCom and UZB into ATOM (this seems vague so far) or will there be a intermediate hub liek a RasPi that all of this needs to be plugged into? I'm not seeing how these will be connected.

I am still missing the point :( why would you want to plug UZB into Atom?
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: reneboer on March 05, 2019, 07:07:59 am

I don't quite understand your point.



Will I be able to plug my RFCom and UZB into ATOM (this seems vague so far) or will there be a intermediate hub liek a RasPi that all of this needs to be plugged into? I'm not seeing how these will be connected.

I am still missing the point :( why would you want to plug UZB into Atom?
The Atom has a USB stick like housing, so you need to plug it into a USB port for power. It does not have any USB ports it self. Just look here https://ezlo.com/projects-solutions/ezlo-atom/

Cheers Rene
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Odysee on March 05, 2019, 07:45:53 am
Will there also be a hub with a LAN connector? I dont't like these WIFI-only devices.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: rigpapa on March 05, 2019, 08:33:41 am
Will there also be a hub with a LAN connector? I dont't like these WIFI-only devices.

And PoE please...
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: HSD99 on March 05, 2019, 10:40:01 am
Will there also be a hub with a LAN connector? I dont't like these WIFI-only devices.

And PoE please...
I second both ideas. An Ethernet port  (with the hub set to DHCP by default) will ALWAYS be able to join the network by do nothing more than plugging in the cable.  A PoE hub makes power backup very simple.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: jlind on March 05, 2019, 12:39:51 pm
I haven't found any threads with what the price point will be for the new hardware.  Can we get some idea (i.e. price ranges) of what the hardware prices will be? 
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: MarcoMomsen on March 05, 2019, 01:45:51 pm
Can we try to do "Alexa Worldwide" ? The integration is not massively different from region to region. This is one of the major features that I am missing... (Germany)
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: zedrally on March 05, 2019, 04:23:41 pm


I am still missing the point :( why would you want to plug UZB into Atom?


Simply...What am I going to plug my RFXCom into (or other bridges, radios etc)? I already have working RF433 Hardware.
Title: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Grwebster on March 05, 2019, 06:08:41 pm
Can we try to do "Alexa Worldwide" ? The integration is not massively different from region to region. This is one of the major features that I am missing... (Germany)
When I got Alexa going, my family actually started using the home automation system.  It was the missing link.  Automation via Alexa and Google Home is exploding right now.  A lot of people are not using a hub, and I think that will eventually be a problem for those people when internet is down.


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Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 05, 2019, 09:41:59 pm
I haven't found any threads with what the price point will be for the new hardware.  Can we get some idea (i.e. price ranges) of what the hardware prices will be?

I would like it to be around $25-$30 :)
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: fje on March 06, 2019, 02:37:06 am
I haven't found any threads with what the price point will be for the new hardware.  Can we get some idea (i.e. price ranges) of what the hardware prices will be?

I would like it to be around $25-$30 :)
Good price level for the small ones, but would it be any possibility of develop another one "ethernet cable connected" as another colleague asked for? Wi-Fi is not 100% reliable 100% of time....

Thanks.

Javier
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Catman on March 06, 2019, 10:13:17 am
I haven't found any threads with what the price point will be for the new hardware.  Can we get some idea (i.e. price ranges) of what the hardware prices will be?

I would like it to be around $25-$30 :)

I have to say that seems *too* cheap.

C
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: fje on March 06, 2019, 10:50:29 am
Remember Melih's comment: "Why to buy a plug and a controller if can have both for a lower price?"

If the result is good and the quality high, the number of devices sold can justify a lower price. And for many sites it can be a very good solution.

My only concern is not to have something similar "cable connected", wifi sometimes is not secure enough and can have disruptions.

J.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 06, 2019, 11:09:35 am
I haven't found any threads with what the price point will be for the new hardware.  Can we get some idea (i.e. price ranges) of what the hardware prices will be?

I would like it to be around $25-$30 :)
Good price level for the small ones, but would it be any possibility of develop another one "ethernet cable connected" as another colleague asked for? Wi-Fi is not 100% reliable 100% of time....

Thanks.

Javier

totally.
we have multiple versions..including ethernet enabled....
we will provide you the widest range of powerful, efficient cost effective hub/controllers.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 06, 2019, 11:13:41 am
I haven't found any threads with what the price point will be for the new hardware.  Can we get some idea (i.e. price ranges) of what the hardware prices will be?

I would like it to be around $25-$30 :)

I have to say that seems *too* cheap.

If you want you can pay more for it :) I don't mind :) .

This is why its important to build efficient controllers and not just simply take Linux OS and get a standard Linux board and sell it as home automation.
Because we are extremely innovating engineering and R&D organization we have built amazingly efficient controllers which are extremely powerful, more powerful than what you can buy today in the market. We re-wrote the whole command classes (one of the biggest issues) and wrote our own RTOS (Real Time Operating System) optimized for home automation. Result: very cost effective, fast, stable controller. Enjoy them! (as soon as they are launched :) )

C
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Sender on March 06, 2019, 11:15:19 am
I haven't found any threads with what the price point will be for the new hardware.  Can we get some idea (i.e. price ranges) of what the hardware prices will be?

I would like it to be around $25-$30 :)

I have to say that seems *too* cheap.

If you want you can pay more for it :) I don't mind :) .

This is why its important to build efficient controllers and not just simply take Linux OS and get a standard Linux board and sell it as home automation.
Because we are extremely innovating engineering and R&D organization we have built amazingly efficient controllers which are extremely powerful, more powerful than what you can buy today in the market. We re-wrote the whole command classes (one of the biggest issues) and wrote our own RTOS (Real Time Operating System) optimized for home automation. Result: very cost effective, fast, stable controller. Enjoy them! (as soon as they are launched :) )

C

Blah blah blah, I will take that back as soon as it is really so far and proven as promised.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 06, 2019, 11:18:19 am
I haven't found any threads with what the price point will be for the new hardware.  Can we get some idea (i.e. price ranges) of what the hardware prices will be?

I would like it to be around $25-$30 :)

I have to say that seems *too* cheap.

If you want you can pay more for it :) I don't mind :) .

This is why its important to build efficient controllers and not just simply take Linux OS and get a standard Linux board and sell it as home automation.
Because we are extremely innovating engineering and R&D organization we have built amazingly efficient controllers which are extremely powerful, more powerful than what you can buy today in the market. We re-wrote the whole command classes (one of the biggest issues) and wrote our own RTOS (Real Time Operating System) optimized for home automation. Result: very cost effective, fast, stable controller. Enjoy them! (as soon as they are launched :) )

C

Blah blah blah, I will take that back as soon as it is really so far and proven as promised.

Sender...stop being rude! Its against forum rules.
happy for you to come and engage and contribute.
but using words like "blah blah blah" is very rude and reflects badly on you.. especially when you use those words about a product we haven't launched yet...it clearly shows you are simply choosing to be negative with no facts or basis.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Sender on March 06, 2019, 11:24:19 am
Yes Meloh, sorry if it is rude. But I really love(d) Vera, but I do not love the way the support and development is, especially zwave support. I do not mean to be rude to you personally, but the forum is now full of promises and timeframes and roadmaps and developmentteams etc. But there is no output... and that is very disappointng.

I will take back the blah blah blah and will use blih blih blih then ok?
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 06, 2019, 12:39:58 pm
Yes Meloh, sorry if it is rude. But I really love(d) Vera, but I do not love the way the support and development is, especially zwave support. I do not mean to be rude to you personally, but the forum is now full of promises and timeframes and roadmaps and developmentteams etc. But there is no output... and that is very disappointng.

I will take back the blah blah blah and will use blih blih blih then ok?

We have stated the delivery times. I wish we were superman and delivered it instantly. All the developers working amazingly hard. I hope you will respect all the work the developers are doing.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: ivx on March 06, 2019, 12:46:23 pm
> I hope you will respect all the work the developers
In our era there is saying: respect must be earned, not demanded ... :))
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: Catman on March 06, 2019, 01:18:21 pm

If you want you can pay more for it :) I don't mind :) .

This is why its important to build efficient controllers and not just simply take Linux OS and get a standard Linux board and sell it as home automation.
Because we are extremely innovating engineering and R&D organization we have built amazingly efficient controllers which are extremely powerful, more powerful than what you can buy today in the market. We re-wrote the whole command classes (one of the biggest issues) and wrote our own RTOS (Real Time Operating System) optimized for home automation. Result: very cost effective, fast, stable controller. Enjoy them! (as soon as they are launched :) )

Innovation, IME, is not something that comes cheap. Hardware, yes, but skill to deliver new command classes and OS from the ground up? Very not cheap.  I'm looking forward to seeing the new products!

C
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 06, 2019, 04:06:15 pm
> I hope you will respect all the work the developers
In our era there is saying: respect must be earned, not demanded ... :))

then let us earn it and you can start criticizing it if we don't deliver what we promised.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: mikeyr on March 06, 2019, 05:47:38 pm
Melih,

As you said  "promise and deliver". This is currently an issue.....

I.e. I received an email response to a question from one of your team (SVP) who i won't name publicly but would be happy to do via PM stating that a relatively small feature was "Will be added in shortly, along w/ (long overdue)" ...... that was August and nothing has happened to date.

If the team is not going to work on something or fix, just say it! Then we can make the choice to stay or move on.

Best of luck with the new products, since i already shelled out on a hub (10 months), why do I need another one? Rather have this one do what most of us thought it could do when purchasing. Does concern me that the team will have several more products to support, all with quirks that will need ironing out.

M

Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: melih on March 06, 2019, 08:41:48 pm
Melih,

As you said  "promise and deliver". This is currently an issue.....

I.e. I received an email response to a question from one of your team (SVP) who i won't name publicly but would be happy to do via PM stating that a relatively small feature was "Will be added in shortly, along w/ (long overdue)" ...... that was August and nothing has happened to date.

If the team is not going to work on something or fix, just say it! Then we can make the choice to stay or move on.

Best of luck with the new products, since i already shelled out on a hub (10 months), why do I need another one? Rather have this one do what most of us thought it could do when purchasing. Does concern me that the team will have several more products to support, all with quirks that will need ironing out.

M

We acquired the company in Aug. Our promises are made in Feb with dates...(this thread).....I can't speak to previous owner's issues. I am however happy for you to hold us responsible for our promises we make.

When it comes hardware: You don't need to buy another hardware.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: dpons039 on March 12, 2019, 06:36:22 pm
It looks promising and I'm looking forward for where this leads to.

Since this is about device integration... What about the Greenwave 6port? It's been a lot years and I mean A LOT of years and the Watt usage is still not displayed for each port.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: MarcoMomsen on March 13, 2019, 04:32:43 am
Can we try to do "Alexa Worldwide" ? The integration is not massively different from region to region. This is one of the major features that I am missing... (Germany)
I am curious to know
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: dalhoj on March 13, 2019, 04:40:00 am
Yes, the Greenwave 6port would be nice to have working with watt usage for each port.

👍

It looks promising and I'm looking forward for where this leads to.

Since this is about device integration... What about the Greenwave 6port? It's been a lot years and I mean A LOT of years and the Watt usage is still not displayed for each port.
Title: Re: Roadmap Update for New Hardware, New Firmware and Device Integration
Post by: jvanhambelgium on March 13, 2019, 11:39:22 am
Yes, the Greenwave 6port would be nice to have working with watt usage for each port.

👍

It looks promising and I'm looking forward for where this leads to.

Since this is about device integration... What about the Greenwave 6port? It's been a lot years and I mean A LOT of years and the Watt usage is still not displayed for each port.

I have 2 of them in use and they work quite OK actually.