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Title: PowerMaster models
Post by: sliver38 on February 26, 2013, 03:11:19 pm
hello
I'm looking for the Powermaster-10 model instead of powerMaxPro, because it seems more sophisticated (encryption AES-128).
=>this plugin can work also with powermaster model ?
Title: Re: Re: Plugin for Visonic Powermax Integration
Post by: nlrb on February 26, 2013, 03:29:36 pm
Probably not. As far as I know the RS232 interface is also not available yet for the PowerMaster-10 & 30.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on March 09, 2013, 02:34:57 pm
My first reply was a little bit short - let me elaborate...

I've been looking into the PowerMaster models a bit more. The reason to say that it will not work is that e.g. a PowerMaster-30 can have 64 wireless zones, 48 user codes, 32 proxy tags etc. All this information won't fit in the current message structure. Hence, the plugin will most likely not work straight away.

However, also the PowerMaster models do seem to have the dual RS-232 interface connection (see picture). And you should be able to use the same RS-232 interface card as for the PowerMax Pro. Next to that, the IP interface is available, so most likely a simple TTL->USB interface is also possible.

In summary: we need to try it out and see what information we get. I've got a friend with a PowerMaster-30, so hopefully we can give this a try soon and report back.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on March 26, 2013, 12:08:23 pm
A short update on the support of the PowerMaster models.

Good news is that we got communication going on the IP port. It looks to support the normal RS-232 communication (9600 baud).

The bad news is that the sensor status (and other panel/partition information) is captured in a new variable length message (0xB0). So the plugin might support arm/disarm etc., but it won't be able to show sensor updates at this time.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: Mozzo on April 20, 2013, 02:40:12 am
I am also considering a PowerMaster 10 alarm. Noticed that only the arm/disarm function seems to be accessible at the moment, hope more features shows up further on.

Are there anyone working on a plugin currently for supporting the PowerMaster alarm?
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on April 20, 2013, 02:54:30 am
As far as I know no work is ongoing to support the PowerMaster models. Someone with access to a PowerMaster would need to reverse engineer the messages it sends. As I don't have access to one, I cannot do it.

Once the syntax of the B0 messages is clear it is probably easy to add the necessary code to the plugin. Currently it will only recognize a B0 message and spit it out in the log file. It isn't able to make heads or tails from the content.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on June 24, 2013, 02:14:20 am
i got a powermaster30 installed from last week and would be interested to look into this.
How did you get communication going on the IP port nlrb, did you use the "old" powerlink2 module?

So far i got a dual-rs232 module hooked up and running, doing basic Programming With the software and my cisco  rj45->rs232 cable..

Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on June 24, 2013, 02:52:06 am
We used a TTL->USB interface on the IP port, but if you have the dual RS232 interface connected then that is even better. If you connect the RS232 via USB to the Vera and turn debugging on then you should be able to see messages coming by in the log.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on June 24, 2013, 04:21:18 am
i have to order a New compatible usb-rs232 adapter and wait for my new vera lite.

As mentioned in other posts, i went the wrong way and started With zipabox.. ::)
Hopefully i have the vera in my hands later this week and will start debugging.

Is there anyway to log information With my computer?
With it hooked up - and a console Connected to the correct com port i am not able to see any information when arming or disarming the system :o :o.

Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on June 24, 2013, 04:41:14 am
I do have the lua code running on my PC interacting with the PowerMax. But to set that all up will also take quite some time. So you can better wait for the VeraLite to arrive :P.

However, if you are using the PowerMax programming software on the PC, you should see all messages with 'show log' window open. Via that program you should also be able to arm/disarm etc.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on June 24, 2013, 04:49:15 am
I do have the lua code running on my PC interacting with the PowerMax. But to set that all up will also take quite some time. So you can better wait for the VeraLite to arrive :P.

However, if you are using the PowerMax programming software on the PC, you should see all messages with 'show log' window open. Via that program you should also be able to arm/disarm etc.

Thanks, i am using the newer "powermaster Remote programmer" it is verry alike the powermax Remote software, just includes newer tdf files.
It has the "message window" under the View tab, i guess that is the same as show log. I`ll try this later today.

Will i be able to view live what is happening if arming directly at the CP, or can i just see what is sendt With the software? :)
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on June 24, 2013, 04:56:02 am
Yes, that is the program & window I meant. You will be able to all communication coming over the serial link (so commands sent or info received).
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on June 24, 2013, 11:16:47 am
just verified that i am able to watch traffic :)
but i am not able to arm and disarm from the software while Connected, i just get a Message that the system will be armed AFTER exit`s the software

The Control panel is also in a locked mode "downloading" while Connected to the software..


Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on June 24, 2013, 11:24:43 am
Yes, the software always takes the panel in download mode. And officially an arm/disarm is not allowed in download mode. Hence it is executed when the software exits and has left download mode.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on June 24, 2013, 12:40:23 pm
The aknowledge  Message is the same as With powermax 0D 02 FD 0A
And the Message structure is also the same, all Messages starts With 0D and ends With 0A

- Programming mode is a bit different, but the sequence AA AA is a programmer password as With powermax
0D 24 00 00 AA AA 00 00 00 00 00 00 41 0A   login (enter programming mode) (PC->Panel)

0D 3C FD 0A 00 00 13 08 00 00 00 00 A0 0A  Variable packet length support Identification (Panel->PC

I am getting a Message after each aknowledge that changes - maby clock or something.
0D B0 01 21 02 05 00 43 E2 0A  (PC->Panel)
0D B0 01 2D 02 05 00 43 D6 0A  (PC->Panel)
0D B0 01 1D 02 05 00 43 E6 0A  (PC->Panel)


The ready Message is the same as With powermax
0D 06 F9 0A  ready (Panel->PC)

0D 0F F0 0A  exit programming mode (PC->Panel)
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on June 24, 2013, 02:36:28 pm
Yes, thanks for confirming. The messages are backwards compatible. The only new message is the B0 message. But also most functionality (like status) is put in the B0 message.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on June 24, 2013, 04:11:37 pm
I am using a terminal  to Connect directly to RS-232 on the powermaster.
When using hex, i am able to log in and send ack Messages - and recivers Ready Messages.
But i do not get a status change back when triggering senors. Connecting this way also Locks me out of the CP

I Guess i have to get a Usb-TTL Device and Connect to the IP module instead. Guess i will most likely see more live packages and what`s going on.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on June 24, 2013, 04:41:04 pm
I'm afraid that status messages don't come through for these models on the serial interface (same if you connect via the IP port). It just seems to be there for backward compatibility. Maybe another mechanism has been introduced for status updates on other IP connector pins.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on June 25, 2013, 01:24:12 am
I'm afraid that status messages don't come through for these models on the serial interface (same if you connect via the IP port). It just seems to be there for backward compatibility. Maybe another mechanism has been introduced for status updates on other IP connector pins.

I do allready have a USB-ttl device on it's way by Mail.
Think i'll give it a try, might behave different when emulating powerlink while allready have rs232 module installed..  Did the device you tried connect to lock the CP?

If that does not work i think we might have to try to extract, or Get the firmware - or look into the software itself.. It is doable,but harder than looking at status Messages and triggering devices
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on July 11, 2013, 01:20:43 pm
With powermaster Remote programmer Connected, i am now able to view status of Devices.
I did soldier the last Peaces for my TTL->USB today, and it allowed me to use diagnostic function of the powermaster Remote programmer. That led me to belive that the cisco cable i where using might not be proper since it did not give me any information last time.

I`ve changed this to a regular Cat5e network cable With Rj45, and Rj45->Rs232 adapter and it Works by using the Dual-rs232 module.

Under status/trouble i can now Select zone, and see changes in the "zone" that reflects to the Device, e.g. z:01 is a door contact to my techincal room.
When closing the door again - i do have to chose "UL Table" again for each time. but this shows me info, and alot of B0 codes in the Message window.

the only thing is that i get a bunch of information each time, and it takes longer time to sort the information.
Thinking of closing, and opening perhaps 5 times after each other to try to be able to locate the repetive code - and then change to Z:02 and do the same thing..

- and hopefully i start getting any patterns of this.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: uAlex73 on July 15, 2013, 03:28:31 am
@Tek: do you got some information to share with us? I got a PowerMaster 30 too and trying to things working. Any dump/output of the protocol is welcome.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: masaba on July 19, 2013, 10:12:11 am
Support for the PowerMaster models would be very nice. Im looking at replacing my current "rent-alarm-system" and have the PowerMaster models at the top of my list for a few different reasons. I'll be following this thread closely.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on July 21, 2013, 03:08:31 pm
been away for holiday for a while, Rhodos - Greece.. :) so have not played With this the last weeks.

picking up my micasaverde vera lite tomorrow and will probably continiue where i stoppe in the evening.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on July 21, 2013, 04:22:33 pm
uAlex73 has made some progress in the meantime. It appears that the sensors normally don't transmit status changes to the panel when the system is disarmed (probably to save battery life). So you first need to reprogram the sensors to transmit status changes even when the system is disarmed.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on July 24, 2013, 06:09:37 pm
uAlex73 has made some progress in the meantime. It appears that the sensors normally don't transmit status changes to the panel when the system is disarmed (probably to save battery life). So you first need to reprogram the sensors to transmit status changes even when the system is disarmed.

That is the same conclusion i came to, With using the powermax app it automatically identified my system as powermaster 30 and created the 1 partition (the only active). When using powerlink mode i god lua startup failure, communication error.
If forcing Stadard mode, it Works so far.

I am able to read out door/window sensors With the current app if i reload after triggering a Device even if not system is armed home/away.


Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on July 25, 2013, 12:53:09 am
Can you send me the crash log file and the LuaUPnp.log file for the PowerLink case?
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on July 25, 2013, 02:05:07 pm
here you go, luaupnp.log

the crash file, where can i locate that?

Been testing some more, if using standard mode over powerlink, i can manually enable Devices and get status updates from sensors when reloading.
If i use powerlink mode, i am not able to get status updates before arming the system.

Alex / nlrb, mentioned that i had to enable status updates even if system was not armed, any hints? can`t find a Place for that in the CP
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on July 25, 2013, 04:44:07 pm
The log file does not contain enough history to see what caused it. The crash log file should be in the same directory as the LuaUPnP.log file. You can also retrieve it via the web interface (see topic on plugin version 1.1).

Most likely the plugin crashes when it tries to interpret information from the panel memory. The memory layout looks to be different for the PowerMaster.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on July 31, 2013, 07:04:11 am
I`ve tested some more and have also shared the information With Alexie so he can continiue to test from his side.
The summary so far is


The motion detection sensors normally dont transmit, i did not find out where to look before Alexie pointed me in the correct direction.
It is stated under the manual for the sensor itself, a setting "DISARM Activity"  -
Optional settings: NOT Active (default), YES ? no delay, YES + 5s delay, YES + 15s delay, YES + 30s
delay, YES + 1m delay, YES + 2m delay, YES + 5m delay, YES + 10m delay, YES + 20m delay and
YES + 60m delay.

but it does not look like the same setting exists for the door/window contacts.

The protocoll is backward compatible to read out the status from door/window contacts, but CP does not push the info by itself when using stantard mode, but when reloading mios it reads out the current state. I`ve turned on debugging to see what commands i sent to the CP to get the Reading back.

I`ll also try to debug why the luup crash when using PL mode, but it is probably as you think nlrb that there is some New/different information.

Despite that visonic have told others that they will never release a PL module for the PM30 since they do not prioritise Home users it looks like something is coming.
I got hands on some info from my dealer that Visonic will release a IP/Broadband module for the PM30 in 2013.
And the same information is now stated on Visonic`s webpage. http://www.visonic.com/communications-new-family






Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: Freddan101 on September 01, 2013, 02:19:12 am
I'm considering the PowerMaster-10. I assume the current status for reading the status messages is the same as for the 30 model?
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on September 01, 2013, 04:27:09 am
The latest version in the trunk has initial support for PowerMaster models. But please note that there are still a number of limitations.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: Freddan101 on September 02, 2013, 02:09:52 am
The latest version in the trunk has initial support for PowerMaster models. But please note that there are still a number of limitations.
  • all zones will be created in PowerLink mode, as we don't know yet how to determine which zone is enrolled or not
  • event log will not be correct
  • sensor status will likely not be communicated by a sensor when the panel is disarmed
  • probably other stuff as testing has only been very limited so far
Thanks for the update. I will hang tight and follow the progress. Is there any thread to follow, except this one, where the development is discussed?
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: Freddan101 on October 02, 2013, 01:40:35 am
I now am a proud owner of a Vera controller and again starting to look at buying an alarm system. Has there been any progress the latest month with this plugin?
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on October 02, 2013, 02:00:11 am
The development of the plugin has been progressing, but unfortunately not the part of the PowerMaster support. I haven't heard from the testers and I don't have a model myself to play with.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: Freddan101 on October 02, 2013, 02:11:51 am
Is there a changelog where one can follow the progress in detail?

Would it help if I got the alarm and supported you with testing?

For the moment, can the plugin detect arm/disarm and if an alarm is triggered? I would benefit from some selling points for  the missus. ;)
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on October 02, 2013, 02:39:08 am
Is there a changelog where one can follow the progress in detail?
Each svn version has the list of changes in the changelog. Once a version is released I always add a summary of the changes.

Would it help if I got the alarm and supported you with testing?
Yes, definitely :D.

For the moment, can the plugin detect arm/disarm and if an alarm is triggered? I would benefit from some selling points for  the missus. ;)
Yes, it detects arm/disarm and you can also do a arm/disarm via the plugin. It also detects when an alarm is triggered.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: Freddan101 on October 02, 2013, 07:23:06 am
Is there a changelog where one can follow the progress in detail?
Each svn version has the list of changes in the changelog. Once a version is released I always add a summary of the changes.

Would it help if I got the alarm and supported you with testing?
Yes, definitely :D.

For the moment, can the plugin detect arm/disarm and if an alarm is triggered? I would benefit from some selling points for  the missus. ;)
Yes, it detects arm/disarm and you can also do a arm/disarm via the plugin. It also detects when an alarm is triggered.
Perfect, it's a good start to be able to trigger scenes when you enter/leave the house.

I will send you a PM to make sure I get the correct gear.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: aviondandy on October 02, 2013, 02:01:35 pm
Hello everybody, I have an off-topic question.

I don't have a Vera box but I will buy a powermaster 30 alarm soon.
I would to interact with my alarm through an arduino (only status : armed or not).

Do you think it will be possible ?
Whats the name of the connection you use between vera and powermaster, is it a RS232 ?

As I said it is really off-topic but after a lot of internet research this topis is the closest I found..
Thanks a lot
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on October 03, 2013, 01:03:21 am
Have a look at http://www.domoticaforum.eu/viewforum.php?f=68 (http://www.domoticaforum.eu/viewforum.php?f=68).
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: Automat on October 03, 2013, 01:09:05 am
Is it likely that we will be able to use the motion sensors in the future? Now they are not active when the alarm is disarmed?
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on October 03, 2013, 02:14:01 am
By default the NEXT PG2 does not report activity during disarm (see manual (http://www.visonic.com/Data/Uploads/Next_PG2_Next_K9_PG2_English_Installer_Guide_D-302413.pdf)). If you set 'DISARM Activity' to 'YES - no delay', it should. Unfortunately the MC302 PG2 does not have such an option, so you will not be able to get door/window sensor updates during disarm.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: rockthelobster on October 19, 2013, 12:13:40 pm
I've read the thread with keen interest as I'm looking to hook up my powermaster 10 with a Vera lite. I'm still a bit unsure as to which cable combination gets the job done best, and to which pins i connect it.

What should be on my shopping list?
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on October 19, 2013, 01:35:03 pm
Normally the Visonic dual RS232 connection kit and an FTDI RS232 to USB converter.


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Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: rockthelobster on October 21, 2013, 01:43:44 pm
But will the dual RS232 connect to the Powermaster 10? It doesn't have the same pins as the powermaster 30 shown earlier in this thread. I have the V13, from what I gather from Visonics homepage the V15 will have powerlink option, but it's very unclear. I attach a picture of my board.

Has anyone succeeded in connecting to the powermaster 10, or has your work been with the powermaster 30? I hope I'm not stuck with version that is already obsolete.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: rockthelobster on November 02, 2013, 05:46:59 am
i have recieved the following advice from Visonic when i enquired about the RS-232 connector and they say:

"the connector on the board is labelled PRJBBA.  To be able to connect to this you will require a USB programmer 90-204-374 (Visonic part code)."

Any input on this? i think i will order one, and see what information i can get out of it. Hopfully it works.
i do note that The PRJBBA is 10 pin, and the RS-232 is 20 pin.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on November 02, 2013, 12:39:58 pm
I'm expecting the 10-pin connection to be the same as the one called PC/IP on a PowerMax Pro. The needed pins are described here (http://www.domoticaforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=7152). If so, all you need is a TTL->USB or TTL->Ethernet.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: Freddan101 on December 11, 2013, 09:12:51 am
I haven't ordered the PowerMaster yet as I've been waiting for the new PowerLink 3 to come into stock.

Now I'm starting to think that maybe I should order one of the older models to have full support in Vera. Though it probably would bug me a bit to not buy the latest technology when spending a lot of money on an alarm system.

What's your thoughts on this? Would I be better off with an older model?
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on December 11, 2013, 10:39:21 am
If you want the use the alarm system purely as alarm system and nothing else then you are best of with the PowerMaster models.

If you want to use the alarm systems -and particularly the sensors- for other purposes as well, then your are better of with a PowerMax model.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: Freddan101 on December 13, 2013, 02:29:46 am
Yea, I'm leaning towards going "old school". :) As I'm right in the middle of automating my home it would feel good to be able to make use of the "extra" sensors I would get with an alarm.

How about the camera PIRs for the PowerMax models. Any chance to be able to use Vera to see the video feed/s?
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on December 13, 2013, 02:47:05 am
The PowerMax doesn't have camera PIRs that I am aware of (the PowerMaster does). But if you go the Vera way, why would you need a Visonic camera? You can use any network camera in that case.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: Freddan101 on December 14, 2013, 06:32:58 pm
You're absolutely right. I just saw "cameras" under PowerCode accessories and didn't realize they were not PIRs.

I would prefer to have all-in-one, both for practical and esthetic reasons. Also network cameras are depending on that the power is not cut. For integrity I would like to have indoor cameras active only when an alarm has been triggered.

I have understood that the PG2 door/window sensor is not reporting when disarmed but I have read different things about the PIRs. If they can be used with Vera that would be really great.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: rockthelobster on December 24, 2013, 08:40:24 am
From what I gather, the power link 3 will require a later version of the power master 10. Is it likely that the Vera plugin will support the powerlink? The option of connecting the alarm to the broadband router is appealing.

It seems that the support for the powermaster 30 has come along quite a bit. Since I haven't seen a convincing way to interface against my PM10, I'm considering passing it on to my father and get a PM 10. Reading the PIRs is a must, especially the ones that I have in the garden. Any intruder is going to get quite the surprise.

I've bought d-link cameras, and orderd mini battery backups on Ali Express. When it's upp and running, hopefully the system will be completely batter backed upp, including the garden floodlights.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on January 15, 2014, 01:42:05 pm
You're absolutely right. I just saw "cameras" under PowerCode accessories and didn't realize they were not PIRs.

I would prefer to have all-in-one, both for practical and esthetic reasons. Also network cameras are depending on that the power is not cut. For integrity I would like to have indoor cameras active only when an alarm has been triggered.

I have understood that the PG2 door/window sensor is not reporting when disarmed but I have read different things about the PIRs. If they can be used with Vera that would be really great.

It is the other way around, door/window sensors sends status Instant in all modes.  Pir`s only sends to micasaverde when armed. But Alex on domotica has status updates ca, once a minute now.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: Freddan101 on January 15, 2014, 02:08:38 pm
You're absolutely right. I just saw "cameras" under PowerCode accessories and didn't realize they were not PIRs.

I would prefer to have all-in-one, both for practical and esthetic reasons. Also network cameras are depending on that the power is not cut. For integrity I would like to have indoor cameras active only when an alarm has been triggered.

I have understood that the PG2 door/window sensor is not reporting when disarmed but I have read different things about the PIRs. If they can be used with Vera that would be really great.

It is the other way around, door/window sensors sends status Instant in all modes.  Pir`s only sends to micasaverde when armed. But Alex on domotica has status updates ca, once a minute now.
Sounds like this is being worked on which is promising.

What do you mean by status updates once a minute? From the PIRs?
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on January 15, 2014, 02:11:16 pm
You're absolutely right. I just saw "cameras" under PowerCode accessories and didn't realize they were not PIRs.

I would prefer to have all-in-one, both for practical and esthetic reasons. Also network cameras are depending on that the power is not cut. For integrity I would like to have indoor cameras active only when an alarm has been triggered.

I have understood that the PG2 door/window sensor is not reporting when disarmed but I have read different things about the PIRs. If they can be used with Vera that would be really great.

It is the other way around, door/window sensors sends status Instant in all modes.  Pir`s only sends to micasaverde when armed. But Alex on domotica has status updates ca, once a minute now.
Sounds like this is being worked on which is promising.

What do you mean by status updates once a minute? From the PIRs?

the PIR (r?relsesdetektor`n) sends updates once a minutes to Alex on motions detected. so it is not Instant ant not very useful for turning a light on as it is unless you would like to take a Dance in the room while waiting for it to turn on :)
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: Freddan101 on January 16, 2014, 12:53:14 am
You're absolutely right. I just saw "cameras" under PowerCode accessories and didn't realize they were not PIRs.

I would prefer to have all-in-one, both for practical and esthetic reasons. Also network cameras are depending on that the power is not cut. For integrity I would like to have indoor cameras active only when an alarm has been triggered.

I have understood that the PG2 door/window sensor is not reporting when disarmed but I have read different things about the PIRs. If they can be used with Vera that would be really great.

It is the other way around, door/window sensors sends status Instant in all modes.  Pir`s only sends to micasaverde when armed. But Alex on domotica has status updates ca, once a minute now.
Sounds like this is being worked on which is promising.

What do you mean by status updates once a minute? From the PIRs?

the PIR (r?relsesdetektor`n) sends updates once a minutes to Alex on motions detected. so it is not Instant ant not very useful for turning a light on as it is unless you would like to take a Dance in the room while waiting for it to turn on :)
:D

Sure the missus don't mind a spontaneous dance but guess she would be suspicious the 10th time or so... ;)

Anyways, it feels good this issue is being worked on. Can you please post the link to the discussion at Domotica?

Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on January 16, 2014, 03:43:30 am
You're absolutely right. I just saw "cameras" under PowerCode accessories and didn't realize they were not PIRs.

I would prefer to have all-in-one, both for practical and esthetic reasons. Also network cameras are depending on that the power is not cut. For integrity I would like to have indoor cameras active only when an alarm has been triggered.

I have understood that the PG2 door/window sensor is not reporting when disarmed but I have read different things about the PIRs. If they can be used with Vera that would be really great.

It is the other way around, door/window sensors sends status Instant in all modes.  Pir`s only sends to micasaverde when armed. But Alex on domotica has status updates ca, once a minute now.
Sounds like this is being worked on which is promising.

What do you mean by status updates once a minute? From the PIRs?

the PIR (r?relsesdetektor`n) sends updates once a minutes to Alex on motions detected. so it is not Instant ant not very useful for turning a light on as it is unless you would like to take a Dance in the room while waiting for it to turn on :)
:D

Sure the missus don't mind a spontaneous dance but guess she would be suspicious the 10th time or so... ;)

Anyways, it feels good this issue is being worked on. Can you please post the link to the discussion at Domotica?

Just make sure you install a Dance pole in each roomt first! win-win-situation.. a happy wife is a happy life..

Regarding the domotica, everything is located at http://www.domoticaforum.eu/viewforum.php?f=68&sid=8ed983e7543a19e4d44d96decb06b09d - here you can also find detailed protocol description.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: Freddan101 on January 16, 2014, 07:45:40 am
You're absolutely right. I just saw "cameras" under PowerCode accessories and didn't realize they were not PIRs.

I would prefer to have all-in-one, both for practical and esthetic reasons. Also network cameras are depending on that the power is not cut. For integrity I would like to have indoor cameras active only when an alarm has been triggered.

I have understood that the PG2 door/window sensor is not reporting when disarmed but I have read different things about the PIRs. If they can be used with Vera that would be really great.

It is the other way around, door/window sensors sends status Instant in all modes.  Pir`s only sends to micasaverde when armed. But Alex on domotica has status updates ca, once a minute now.
Sounds like this is being worked on which is promising.

What do you mean by status updates once a minute? From the PIRs?

the PIR (r?relsesdetektor`n) sends updates once a minutes to Alex on motions detected. so it is not Instant ant not very useful for turning a light on as it is unless you would like to take a Dance in the room while waiting for it to turn on :)
:D

Sure the missus don't mind a spontaneous dance but guess she would be suspicious the 10th time or so... ;)

Anyways, it feels good this issue is being worked on. Can you please post the link to the discussion at Domotica?

Just make sure you install a Dance pole in each roomt first! win-win-situation.. a happy wife is a happy life..

Regarding the domotica, everything is located at http://www.domoticaforum.eu/viewforum.php?f=68&sid=8ed983e7543a19e4d44d96decb06b09d - here you can also find detailed protocol description.
Dance poles... Hehe...  8)

I will head over to Domotica and start reading. What is you opinion, could the PIR issue be solved?
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on January 16, 2014, 07:56:43 am
to be honest, i am not sure yet..

Alex has come further, and powelink3 i to be released this year but aparently without internal webserver as we had With pl2.
when talking to suplier, and Reading information from distributors webpage we should be able to use mobile Phones and similar to Connect to the "Central monitoring station" (as you get an account for free from klab.se when buying a unit) to watch on
demand.

And as long as you are able to use Central Monitoring Station to do this, it is all about code - and we could in theory do the same With micasaverde if we are able to reverse the entire protocol.
I prefer to stay optimistic. (but that is just the way i am to almost everything :) )

As mentioned from nlrb, if you prefer to have a system that you can use for 100% With you home automation, go for powermax.
But the price difference from a fibaro sensor to a Visonic sensors is not that huge anymore.. so i do not know what you will gain except using only on PIR (for the estetic`s)

In my case, i prefered to have 2 seperate systems.. As it is now, I am able to disarm/arm and use door sensors from powermaster, and (maby PIR`s in the future) and see this as a bonus.
And the Places you absolutely need a motion detector to turn on lights and events, you can use the NEXA motion detectors that will fit into the regular Scandinavian wall frames and keep some of the estetic.



Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: Freddan101 on January 16, 2014, 08:27:29 am
Wise thoughts. I lean towards Powermaster as I would like the new LCD keypad and the ability to use proxy tags. Also, it's always nice to buy the latest techonolgy when you have the chance.

It's very good news that you are able to use the Powermaster door/window sensors with Vera. As you say, one can always double the PIRs where needed. I have the RFXtrx so Nexa sensors could def work. Or I go with a Z-wave multi sensor to also get the light level.

I have touched the thought of using Vera also as alarm system but I'm not sure how to easily and safely arm/disarm using Vera if not programming something complex myself. Probably better off having two different systems and connect them, though higher price tag.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on January 16, 2014, 10:15:33 am
Wise thoughts. I lean towards Powermaster as I would like the new LCD keypad and the ability to use proxy tags. Also, it's always nice to buy the latest techonolgy when you have the chance.

It's very good news that you are able to use the Powermaster door/window sensors with Vera. As you say, one can always double the PIRs where needed. I have the RFXtrx so Nexa sensors could def work. Or I go with a Z-wave multi sensor to also get the light level.

I have touched the thought of using Vera also as alarm system but I'm not sure how to easily and safely arm/disarm using Vera if not programming something complex myself. Probably better off having two different systems and connect them, though higher price tag.

fixed New laundry room this summer and grabbed the change to add som stuff.
Wall mounted Tablet to Control micasaverde (using imperhome now) and the KP-160 mounted bellow for tags to arm/disarm alarm.
Tablet is Powered from my PoE Switch, and a POE extractor for 5v to the tablet.. this way it stays Always on and ready for use.

everything is cut out from MDF, With a router to make the units flush mounted. This is just a test Mound, the MDF has been spray painted afterwords and a Nice flexible Silicon (white) has been Applied around the MDF against the tiles.

If i for some reason has a Power outrage i can still operate the alarm by using the built in backup batteries for some hours. :)
It`s all Down to what you intend to use the alarm for,
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: Freddan101 on January 17, 2014, 12:13:45 am
fixed New laundry room this summer and grabbed the change to add som stuff.
Wall mounted Tablet to Control micasaverde (using imperhome now) and the KP-160 mounted bellow for tags to arm/disarm alarm.
Tablet is Powered from my PoE Switch, and a POE extractor for 5v to the tablet.. this way it stays Always on and ready for use.

everything is cut out from MDF, With a router to make the units flush mounted. This is just a test Mound, the MDF has been spray painted afterwords and a Nice flexible Silicon (white) has been Applied around the MDF against the tiles.

If i for some reason has a Power outrage i can still operate the alarm by using the built in backup batteries for some hours. :)
It`s all Down to what you intend to use the alarm for,
Very nice indeed. Good idea to use PoE, maybe I should look at this as well... What is imperhome?

Regarding Powermaster, is there any difference between PM10 and PM30 what comes to support for communicating with Vera?
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on January 17, 2014, 04:13:06 am
Imperihome is an app for android to Control Your micasaverde, it has intuitive GUI, like HC2 and that makes it easier to slip true the wife-control..
I use authomation.hd on my own Devices (just not the wall mounted ones)

There are some diferences in number of zones, and partitions.
The main reason i choose the pm30 where that pm30 has two slots for modules, where pm10 have only one and i would like to use the dual-rs232 and still have the possibility to use another one. Maby a pl3?

The initial price difference is not huge,
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: Freddan101 on January 19, 2014, 12:49:59 am
Imperihome is an app for android to Control Your micasaverde, it has intuitive GUI, like HC2 and that makes it easier to slip true the wife-control..
I use authomation.hd on my own Devices (just not the wall mounted ones)
Ah, I'm on iPhone/iPad so can not try out Imperihome unfortuantely.

There are some diferences in number of zones, and partitions.
The main reason i choose the pm30 where that pm30 has two slots for modules, where pm10 have only one and i would like to use the dual-rs232 and still have the possibility to use another one. Maby a pl3?

The initial price difference is not huge,
Zone wise it's probably enough with a PM10 for me but having to expansion slots sounds appealing. The dual-rs232 is used for communication with Vera I suppose?

Regarding PL3 I had the same thought but according to Nlrb you can't use PL3 at the same time you send commands from Vera via serial as the Powermaster will be confused.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on January 19, 2014, 07:09:51 am
I am usually on IOS my self, but for the wall mounted tables i went for android.
It is cheaper, in norway you can get a 10" tablet With android for 6-700kr, and the GUI in imperihome or authomationhd is far better than the ones avaliable to apple Devices.
I do not think you can Control Your conected alarm With the ones avaliable to ios either.



nlbr is correct, you can not use PL3 and vera at the same time.
Vera is emulating PL so you will confuse the vera.

Connection to vera can either be done With RS-232 Interface and use a Rj45->Serial Cable, (my cisco console cables Works Perfect).
-or You can og for a DIY Version, explained in other threads on the forum. Then  you need a usb->Serial adapter, a cable and use some of the pins on the output.

but i prefered to use the rs232, together With cables and usb->Serial adapters i had laying around.
I do not think the dual-rs232 is avaliable for the pm10 and you have to go for the DIY Version.




Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on January 19, 2014, 04:09:24 pm
Thanks to the great help of tek I've been able to make a version that supports the PowerMaster models much better. With this version 'Auto-create devices' can be turned on, as it automatically detects the sensors, sirens and keypads.

The following sensors are currently supported: Next PG2, Next CAM PG2, SMD-426 and the MC-302.

If you have a sensor that is not recognized then please email the info of the sensor (type, zone) with the powermax_settings.txt file.

The code is available in the 1.2 branch: revision 79 (http://code.mios.com/trac/mios_visonic-powermax/changeset/79/branches/1.2?old_path=%2F&format=zip).
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on January 20, 2014, 06:53:45 am
Is there anyone that can verify something on a powermax, With Remote programmer?

In section, Installer Settings -> Panel Definitions
i need verification that 33. inactivity alert = Enabled or Disabled

This setting is at least Disabled by default in Powermaster Alarm Panels sold in UL Listed countries.
I think this is the setting used for Special Functions; Looking after People at home - and reffers to "Disarm Activity = YES, no delay" setting on the PIR`s


Edit: never mind, tests showed setting to not be helpful.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on January 21, 2014, 03:17:12 am
does anyone have a Powermaster 30 - V17, and Connected With vera?
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: rockthelobster on January 27, 2014, 07:27:43 am
@Freddan101
if you by LCD-keypad mean
http://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2782
then be advised that it isn't a keypad, its can only be armed with the proximitytags, no tapping in a code to arm/disarm. i baught one thinking it was an LCD-keypad.
/R
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: rockthelobster on January 27, 2014, 08:56:24 am
I am usually on IOS my self, but for the wall mounted tables i went for android.
It is cheaper, in norway you can get a 10" tablet With android for 6-700kr, and the GUI in imperihome or authomationhd is far better than the ones avaliable to apple Devices.
I do not think you can Control Your conected alarm With the ones avaliable to ios either.



nlbr is correct, you can not use PL3 and vera at the same time.
Vera is emulating PL so you will confuse the vera.

Connection to vera can either be done With RS-232 Interface and use a Rj45->Serial Cable, (my cisco console cables Works Perfect).
-or You can og for a DIY Version, explained in other threads on the forum. Then  you need a usb->Serial adapter, a cable and use some of the pins on the output.

but i prefered to use the rs232, together With cables and usb->Serial adapters i had laying around.
I do not think the dual-rs232 is avaliable for the pm10 and you have to go for the DIY Version.

What is the DIY version for connecting the PM10 to the Vera? Do you know of anyone who has connected them?
cheers,
R
/
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tek on January 27, 2014, 10:12:35 am
I would Guess you could use the utb-ttl adapter and the pin`s as descibed in other threads and at domoticaforum?
for sure you can do that With PM30

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=14721.0
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: Freddan101 on January 31, 2014, 09:07:22 pm
@Freddan101
if you by LCD-keypad mean
http://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2782
then be advised that it isn't a keypad, its can only be armed with the proximitytags, no tapping in a code to arm/disarm. i baught one thinking it was an LCD-keypad.
/R
Check out page 17 in linked PDF. Product decription says "Easy arm and disarm with User code or proximity tags and/or any RFID
employee card".

http://www.visonic.com/Data/Uploads/Corporate_Products_Catalog_4_web.pdf (http://www.visonic.com/Data/Uploads/Corporate_Products_Catalog_4_web.pdf)

Maybe Visonic has updated the keypad?
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: nlrb on February 01, 2014, 02:18:25 pm
Maybe Visonic has updated the keypad?
Don't think so. The comparison chart (http://www.visonic.com/Data/Uploads/KP_160_140_features_comparison.pdf) & manual all state clearly 'proxy tags only'. Using a touch-screen to enter a security code is also not so safe, as you can see where the finger prints are and derive the access code.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: Freddan101 on February 06, 2014, 09:38:42 am
According to one of the Swedish retailers the version they got has the numeric function. See attachments.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: rockthelobster on February 20, 2014, 12:42:02 pm
According to one of the Swedish retailers the version they got has the numeric function. See attachments.

You may be right, a user on anther forum inquired about firmware upgrades claiming that the newer version accepts codes.

I realise Visonic doesn't primarily sell to end users, but i find it rather confusing the way they sell the same model nr with different features, in new versions.
/R
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: Freddan101 on March 20, 2014, 11:30:00 am
Any progress during the last month regarding the PIRs? Are the door/window sensors working 100%?
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: parkerc on August 04, 2016, 05:19:29 am
Hi

I'm looking at the power master 30 as a potential replacement security system, and would like to integrate it with Vera.

If you are have one set up and integrated, please could you let me know how it is performing ?

Many thanks
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: tunnus on August 18, 2016, 05:54:24 am
Hi

I'm looking at the power master 30 as a potential replacement security system, and would like to integrate it with Vera.

If you are have one set up and integrated, please could you let me know how it is performing ?

Many thanks

I have Powermaster 30 in use with Vera Edge, and it's working pretty well. One of the issues is that every time LUA is restarted (e.g. scenes are edited etc), Powermaster goes into "trouble"-state, but it clears this state quickly, so seems to be just a cosmetic problem.
Title: Re: PowerMaster models
Post by: Norcino on September 03, 2016, 02:51:12 pm
Hi,
I have a PowerMaster33-G2 I'm trying to figure out if I can use it and for what, I'm trying to get started because in practice I have Vera Plus since less then a week and I sill have to understand where to find documentation manuals and so on.

Some good start would be:
- understand if the PGM is recognised/connected to vera
- How to use the settings
- What I should see in the event log and what is the access code
- What is an X10 Dimmable and when I should flag it

Any help would be really appreciated and if needed I really would like to help to support the project, even just as a tester.

Thanks