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Title: Danalock?
Post by: robertmm on December 09, 2013, 11:56:06 pm
Has anybody tried the Danalock from poly-control.com? They have Bluetooth, Z-Wave, and combination versions for both Europe and US. They mention Vera (and the documentation includes Vera screenshots) -- but with locks, the devil is in the details so I thought I'd ask here first.

I'd be interested in battery life and whether the Bluetooth mode requires interaction with the phone, or whether it activates by just bringing the phone near it.

Thanks,
Robert
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: polycontrol on December 11, 2013, 05:17:47 am
Hi,

The units operates perfectly with Vera.
They will fir almost any deadbolt, scandinavian model or europrofile cylinder.
You are always welcome to sent us a picture and specs of your lock, mail@danalock.com, and we will confirm the compatibility.
The battery lifetime is up to 2 years. Testet to last a least 1 year.

Hope this was helpful.
Best regards
Hans Overgaard
DanaLock
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: intveltr on December 12, 2013, 07:26:56 am
These look like nice locks at a great price.  A question: how well do these work with 3 point locking mechanisms?  These often require a bit more torque to operate.  One type of mechanism requires 2 full turns of the key to open the door.  Can the Danalock cope with that?

Another type requires the door handle to be lifted before the door can be locked.  If the handle wasn't lifted and Danalock tries to lock the door, it should stop (and report an unlocked state) rather than wear out the battery or strip its gears trying to turn the lock.  Does it react properly to this type of situation?
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: polycontrol on December 20, 2013, 02:23:58 am
Hi,
It works very well with 3 point locks, i have one my self:-)
You have to lift the handle to close, and the auto lock work like any other lock mechanism.
You can make the DanaLock turn as many times as you wish.

We are using a stepper motor, and NOT a DC motor. This is the only right solution for door locks, as this will prevent the gears from being destroyed, if the door is not closed/locked properly etc.

Hope this was helpful.
BR
DanaLock team
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: intveltr on December 21, 2013, 06:29:51 pm
I ordered one to play with  :)  My main challenge will be to get it fitted to an existing Euro cylinder, as I don't want to have to replace the ones I have now (all keyed to a single key). Will post some pics when done.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: ntk on December 22, 2013, 12:20:22 pm
I also order one with there cylinder, I hope the cylinder is good and not poor quality

The lock look really good, and the price is also good, need to receive it tomorrow

I also want to buy the key pad they need to release next year

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Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: capjay on December 23, 2013, 02:07:16 am
I ordered one to play with  :)  My main challenge will be to get it fitted to an existing Euro cylinder, as I don't want to have to replace the ones I have now (all keyed to a single key). Will post some pics when done.

looking forward to hearing about your experiences with this. I have a similar setup, and if it works, I'd like to install it in 3-4 doors.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: robertmm on December 24, 2013, 12:41:06 am
I got mine today (the round one with Bluetooth and Z-Wave) and attached it to my garage entry. This is an interior metal door, so the deadbolt turns really smoothly and the door doesn't change across seasons, and the temperatures are moderate.

My initial impressions are mixed (I will follow up once I hear from support).
- Super fast shipping (but also a bit pricey). Direct from Denmark.
- There are more plastic parts than I would like; the screws that attach the unit to its base plate are very light weight.
- They include a screwdriver set and a deadbolt (both of questionable quality...) but no instructions. Of note, the included deadbolt has a keyway that is neither Kwikset nor Schlage. In the interest of reducing shipping cost from Denmark, I would suggest leaving these items out. [Edit] The box alone with screwdriver and deadbolt, without the lock, weighs 26 oz (738 g).
- The lock itself is heavy, and thicker than I would have expected. The front unfortunately is a black plastic plate that doesn't look that great, but the side ring feels solid. Picture something that is thicker than a Nest thermostat but not as polished, slim or sleek.

I was unsuccessful pairing the lock with Vera (high power and low power inclusion, expert inclusion with extra long timeouts etc.). I may have gotten the wrong (EU) version, and emailed support for help. Perhaps I'm just not doing it right. [Edit] They confirmed they DID send the wrong version, and asked me to send it back. I politely suggested just swapping the circuit board (and I don't want to pay for international shipping for the box for what is their screwup).

I CAN control the lock using Bluetooth, but have not figured out whether it has a proximity "auto open" function (keyless entry without the app by just bringing the phone near). I was really hoping it did. Another question for support. [Edit] They confirmed that that functionality is "not enabled yet in the app" and that they're working on it. It would sure be nice if the web site actually said so instead of promising this feature. I'm using an iPhone 4S btw.

I had success attaching it to my Schlage B60 deadbolt, but it took me a while. The original B60 tailpiece is too long, and the Danalock doesn't work without the tailpiece extender (which also has to be flush with the base plate), so you either need to cut the original tailpiece or use a shorter one. I used the one from the included deadbolt and grafted that onto the Schlage, at least this way it's good for something. I had to experiment with the angle, 130 degrees seem to be about right for my deadbolt, even though the real thumb turn only needs 90 degrees. Turn direction wasn't obvious either but the two settings are quick to try. The Danalock works in the second fastest setting due to the low torque required for this bolt (but not the fastest setting, it'll just beep for help). I could see the device struggling a bit more with my front door.

I'm hoping to get the Z-Wave issue resolved and will report back when I learn more.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: ntk on December 24, 2013, 06:13:30 am
I also receive my lock, I have no problem with Vera, but I have problems with the bluetooth, when I'm trying to add this lock to my tablet with there app, nothing happen, I can see the lock and then I need to choose a name for the lock, but then it stuck in "NEGOTIATING WITH YOUR DANALOCK", I send them an email, and they told me that my device does not support LE bluetooth, but I have Nexus 7 v2 (2013 model) and it have bluetooth 4.0 with LE, and also have android 4.4.2 (support bluetooth LE from Android 4.3) so I don't know what is the problem, my phone still with 4.2,so I can't install the app at all, I hope this not problem with the lock

The cylinder they send me did not fit my door (I send them pictures of the cylinder and the door, they say it will fit) anyway I remove the tail from there cylinder and I attached it to my cylinder (will show pic later today or tomorrow) the lock turn really slow, but I guess that this is the best it can do when powered by batteries

My door lock is really hard to turn, and the motor turn it all the way in 25 sec, the button on the motor is really hard to press with the plastic cover

This is my first zwave lock, so I don't know if this is the same in all the locks, but if I press the button on the lock or turn it manually the status in Vera will not change, so I can't see the status of the lock, this is a problem because if you press lock/unlock when the lock is already lock/unlock the motor will try to turn anyway for 25 sec (depending on the time you set it to turn, for me is 25 sec) and you also cannot stop it, so I don't know if this will not destroy the motor

The lock look nice, and it's working good, but it's really disappointing that I can't see the real status in Vera, and that it will keep trying to turn even when the lock already unlock/lock

Also I forgot to say that in Vera I see the battery level on 0%


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Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: intveltr on December 24, 2013, 11:32:29 am
Bah, didn't get mine yet :(
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: flyveleder on December 25, 2013, 12:59:39 pm
if you press lock/unlock when the lock is already lock/unlock the motor will try to turn anyway
I have programmed my Vera (using PLEG) to only lock/unlock if the door is not already; Meaning - that you press LOCK it will only try to do if it is UNLOCKED ...

My only problem currently is that the state doesn't change if you are using the thumbturn (or real key) to lock/unlock it. Danalock promised to look into this feature ;-)

I will come a more detailed review of the lock in a short while.

Brgds,
Martin
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: gibby on January 06, 2014, 05:41:38 pm
if you press lock/unlock when the lock is already lock/unlock the motor will try to turn anyway
I have programmed my Vera (using PLEG) to only lock/unlock if the door is not already; Meaning - that you press LOCK it will only try to do if it is UNLOCKED ...

My only problem currently is that the state doesn't change if you are using the thumbturn (or real key) to lock/unlock it. Danalock promised to look into this feature ;-)

I will come a more detailed review of the lock in a short while.

Brgds,
Martin

I ordered one of these last week, I am wondering since the state does not change when using the thumbturn or real key, why not when you send LOCK just always lock no matter the state? Or every X minutes send a LOCK anyways to make sure it is secure at all times.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: tinraz on January 11, 2014, 04:10:34 pm
Hi Guys,

I will jump in to this discussion to share my experience with both the Danalock Circle and Square version.

Personally I prefer the Square version because its more slimmed and it fits better on my security door (The circle version was to close to my door frame)

Circle : https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=573796399369439

Square: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=582044335211312

I have been using the Circle for a few weeks and now I have been using the Square for a Week and I'm very happy that I went with the square version. it fits perfectly for my needs.

My settings are
Mode : Normal
Direction : Clockwise
Turn degrees : 80
Auto Lock time : 0
Speed : Medium
Sound : On

Specially the Vera Light connection together with scenes makes it very practical. Locking door turns of the light by the door after 15 sec. Opening will turn on the light.

I have to say that I'm a newbie in home automation. So I'm learning as I move on...
 
Best regards
TinRaz
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: sdholden on January 12, 2014, 03:30:08 pm
I've just installed my Danalock, and so far, well, I'm not sure yet. It is mounted, and it functions. I had quite a bit of trouble getting it added to my vera lite, but that was finally accomplished, and after adjusting some settings, its working well. The bluetooth is another story. I have a Galaxy s4, running Android 4.3 w/BTLE. I run the setup on the app, add the lock, it finds it, then sits on "negotiating with danalock" forever. Never goes past it. I've seen another review in the play store saying the same thing, and it looks like there's one here as well, where danalock replied that the android device was unsupported. I could kind of go with that, while it still would be a very very dificult thing to stomach, considering the S4 is so prevalent. However, I have a bone stock iphone5 also, that exhibits EXACTLY the same behavior, and the iphone5 is clearly listed as being supported, and I am running the latest IOS. I have reset the device by pressing the center button until i get 5 beeps, and I've even cycled power completely by removing the batteries. No change. I left the iphone on "negotiating with danalock", literally sitting on the lock itself, and checked it this morning. Still on screen, "negotiating with danalock". There's no other bluetooth settings I'm aware of that I can adjust. So what do I do? I've done all the phone specific things, powered off, rebooted, cycled bluetooth on and off. Even performed a factory wipe of the iphone, no difference. Defective unit? How do I proceed? I've emailed danalock, but their email responses are a little slow, and I see perhaps a danalock employee in this thread so I thought I'd drop a line here.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: sdholden on January 12, 2014, 04:02:34 pm
if you press lock/unlock when the lock is already lock/unlock the motor will try to turn anyway
I have programmed my Vera (using PLEG) to only lock/unlock if the door is not already; Meaning - that you press LOCK it will only try to do if it is UNLOCKED ...

My only problem currently is that the state doesn't change if you are using the thumbturn (or real key) to lock/unlock it. Danalock promised to look into this feature ;-)

I will come a more detailed review of the lock in a short while.

Brgds,
Martin

I ordered one of these last week, I am wondering since the state does not change when using the thumbturn or real key, why not when you send LOCK just always lock no matter the state? Or every X minutes send a LOCK anyways to make sure it is secure at all times.

If the lock is already locked, the danalock attempts to lock it, it either completed the entire sequence, with the motor stalled and struggling, or it attempts it and gives up, depending on the torque provided/required. Neither of these things is a good thing to be doing at regular intervals throughout every single day, for battery logevity, and for motor wear. Checking the state, and then only performing an action when necessary, is a much better method. You wouldn't drive your car into the back wall of the garage every two hours, just to make sure you were in far enough.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: flyveleder on January 13, 2014, 04:24:21 am
According to Danalock it's already in the making; They should be ready with a firmware update later this month to fix all known issues (including registering position using manual turn (key/thumbturn) and  lock/unlock state to avoid "re-locking") and adding proximity BLE etc.

/Martin
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: korttoma on January 13, 2014, 07:16:04 am
Thanks everybody for sharing your experience with these. I'm considering one also.
I have read somewhere that NFC was planed also but I guess this feature did not make it.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: gibby on January 13, 2014, 10:30:41 am
Thanks everybody for sharing your experience with these. I'm considering one also.
I have read somewhere that NFC was planed also but I guess this feature did not make it.

If you look here http://www.poly-control.com/#more-info it shows they keypad and fob that are coming in 2014. I have been communicating with them and the keypad will have NFC in it. They will be $60-$75 US.

if you press lock/unlock when the lock is already lock/unlock the motor will try to turn anyway
I have programmed my Vera (using PLEG) to only lock/unlock if the door is not already; Meaning - that you press LOCK it will only try to do if it is UNLOCKED ...

My only problem currently is that the state doesn't change if you are using the thumbturn (or real key) to lock/unlock it. Danalock promised to look into this feature ;-)

I will come a more detailed review of the lock in a short while.

Brgds,
Martin

I ordered one of these last week, I am wondering since the state does not change when using the thumbturn or real key, why not when you send LOCK just always lock no matter the state? Or every X minutes send a LOCK anyways to make sure it is secure at all times.

If the lock is already locked, the danalock attempts to lock it, it either completed the entire sequence, with the motor stalled and struggling, or it attempts it and gives up, depending on the torque provided/required. Neither of these things is a good thing to be doing at regular intervals throughout every single day, for battery logevity, and for motor wear. Checking the state, and then only performing an action when necessary, is a much better method. You wouldn't drive your car into the back wall of the garage every two hours, just to make sure you were in far enough.

It looks like since they are going to provide a firmware update later this month to properly report the state when the lock is used manually this shouldn't be an issue anymore for me. Basically I am going to have it where the lock will relock after 2-5 minutes(going to have to test) and I want to make sure the state will be properly reported in Vera. That is why I thought about sending lock command every so often, but I hope that is not the case. I don't have an open/close sensor on the door that Vera can talk to or I could just make it assume locked when door is closed. But we will see when it gets here.


I've just installed my Danalock, and so far, well, I'm not sure yet. It is mounted, and it functions. I had quite a bit of trouble getting it added to my vera lite, but that was finally accomplished, and after adjusting some settings, its working well. The bluetooth is another story. I have a Galaxy s4, running Android 4.3 w/BTLE. I run the setup on the app, add the lock, it finds it, then sits on "negotiating with danalock" forever. Never goes past it. I've seen another review in the play store saying the same thing, and it looks like there's one here as well, where danalock replied that the android device was unsupported. I could kind of go with that, while it still would be a very very dificult thing to stomach, considering the S4 is so prevalent. However, I have a bone stock iphone5 also, that exhibits EXACTLY the same behavior, and the iphone5 is clearly listed as being supported, and I am running the latest IOS. I have reset the device by pressing the center button until i get 5 beeps, and I've even cycled power completely by removing the batteries. No change. I left the iphone on "negotiating with danalock", literally sitting on the lock itself, and checked it this morning. Still on screen, "negotiating with danalock". There's no other bluetooth settings I'm aware of that I can adjust. So what do I do? I've done all the phone specific things, powered off, rebooted, cycled bluetooth on and off. Even performed a factory wipe of the iphone, no difference. Defective unit? How do I proceed? I've emailed danalock, but their email responses are a little slow, and I see perhaps a danalock employee in this thread so I thought I'd drop a line here.

Are you rooted or have a custom ROM on your S4? I don't have a S4 to test with, but I do have some S3's and Note 2's I will be testing with. With my Note 2, I know I have issues with different bluetooth features depending on ROM.



For those that ordered it in the US, how long did it take arrive?
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: gibby on January 13, 2014, 10:32:11 am
I've just installed my Danalock, and so far, well, I'm not sure yet. It is mounted, and it functions. I had quite a bit of trouble getting it added to my vera lite, but that was finally accomplished, and after adjusting some settings, its working well. The bluetooth is another story. I have a Galaxy s4, running Android 4.3 w/BTLE. I run the setup on the app, add the lock, it finds it, then sits on "negotiating with danalock" forever. Never goes past it. I've seen another review in the play store saying the same thing, and it looks like there's one here as well, where danalock replied that the android device was unsupported. I could kind of go with that, while it still would be a very very dificult thing to stomach, considering the S4 is so prevalent. However, I have a bone stock iphone5 also, that exhibits EXACTLY the same behavior, and the iphone5 is clearly listed as being supported, and I am running the latest IOS. I have reset the device by pressing the center button until i get 5 beeps, and I've even cycled power completely by removing the batteries. No change. I left the iphone on "negotiating with danalock", literally sitting on the lock itself, and checked it this morning. Still on screen, "negotiating with danalock". There's no other bluetooth settings I'm aware of that I can adjust. So what do I do? I've done all the phone specific things, powered off, rebooted, cycled bluetooth on and off. Even performed a factory wipe of the iphone, no difference. Defective unit? How do I proceed? I've emailed danalock, but their email responses are a little slow, and I see perhaps a danalock employee in this thread so I thought I'd drop a line here.

I just noticed in their FAQ it states "Android: Please check the specs for your phone to be sure it supports Bluetooth Smart. Most new Android phones supports Bluetooth Smart/BLE.
Newest Android 4.4 KitKat must be supported by the Smartphone."

I don't remember seeing KK as a requirement before but it looks like it is now.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: flyveleder on January 13, 2014, 10:36:08 am
Basically I am going to have it where the lock will relock after 2-5 minutes(going to have to test) and I want to make sure the state will be properly reported in Vera. That is why I thought about sending lock command every so often, but I hope that is not the case. I don't have an open/close sensor on the door that Vera can talk to or I could just make it assume locked when door is closed. But we will see when it gets here.

Open/close state is properly reported in Vera (apart from when using manual interaction). If you are using Bluetooth to lock, it's instantly reported in Vera.

/Martin
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: gibby on January 13, 2014, 10:49:03 am
Basically I am going to have it where the lock will relock after 2-5 minutes(going to have to test) and I want to make sure the state will be properly reported in Vera. That is why I thought about sending lock command every so often, but I hope that is not the case. I don't have an open/close sensor on the door that Vera can talk to or I could just make it assume locked when door is closed. But we will see when it gets here.

Open/close state is properly reported in Vera (apart from when using manual interaction). If you are using Bluetooth to lock, it's instantly reported in Vera.

/Martin

Yeah I am worried about when the lock is operated manually...
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: flyveleder on January 13, 2014, 11:33:36 am
As I said it does NOT change state in the lock, and therefore no matter how many times you poll it, it will not show correct state.

This will be fixed in the next firmware update though.

/Martin
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: ntk on January 13, 2014, 11:53:18 am
I've just installed my Danalock, and so far, well, I'm not sure yet. It is mounted, and it functions. I had quite a bit of trouble getting it added to my vera lite, but that was finally accomplished, and after adjusting some settings, its working well. The bluetooth is another story. I have a Galaxy s4, running Android 4.3 w/BTLE. I run the setup on the app, add the lock, it finds it, then sits on "negotiating with danalock" forever. Never goes past it. I've seen another review in the play store saying the same thing, and it looks like there's one here as well, where danalock replied that the android device was unsupported. I could kind of go with that, while it still would be a very very dificult thing to stomach, considering the S4 is so prevalent. However, I have a bone stock iphone5 also, that exhibits EXACTLY the same behavior, and the iphone5 is clearly listed as being supported, and I am running the latest IOS. I have reset the device by pressing the center button until i get 5 beeps, and I've even cycled power completely by removing the batteries. No change. I left the iphone on "negotiating with danalock", literally sitting on the lock itself, and checked it this morning. Still on screen, "negotiating with danalock". There's no other bluetooth settings I'm aware of that I can adjust. So what do I do? I've done all the phone specific things, powered off, rebooted, cycled bluetooth on and off. Even performed a factory wipe of the iphone, no difference. Defective unit? How do I proceed? I've emailed danalock, but their email responses are a little slow, and I see perhaps a danalock employee in this thread so I thought I'd drop a line here.

I just noticed in their FAQ it states "Android: Please check the specs for your phone to be sure it supports Bluetooth Smart. Most new Android phones supports Bluetooth Smart/BLE.
Newest Android 4.4 KitKat must be supported by the Smartphone."

I don't remember seeing KK as a requirement before but it looks like it is now.

i have the same problem and i use nexus v2 and android 4.4.2

also android support BLE from 4.3 and not 4.4

i send them an email and did not get a respond

also i have problem with sending alert when locking/unlocking the door, there is no option for "status of the lock change" there is only option for unlock or unlock in trigger in the vera GUI, so instead of receiving alert only when lock/unlock the door, i receive alert every time vera poll the node, they need to add option in the trigger to send alert when status change and no only when state is lock/unlock
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: animalhouse on January 13, 2014, 01:27:05 pm
Any experience/ideas on how to do a Factory Data Reset on the Danalock? I paired it to a different controller at first, and need to switch it over to my new VeraLite, but everything I had to re-pair required a factory data reset. I can't figure out how to do it with the Danalock. I'm open to other ideas--it's trying to communicate, but won't pair. I checked and confirmed that I have the US version.

I emailed them, just haven't heard back yet.

THANKS!!!
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: flyveleder on January 13, 2014, 03:47:04 pm
Please don't hang me for this if it's wrong ;-) - but I THINK you should hold the finger on the button untill you hear 5 beeps; Then let go.

Try to include on the new network.

/Martin
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: sdholden on January 13, 2014, 09:54:41 pm
I've just installed my Danalock, and so far, well, I'm not sure yet. It is mounted, and it functions. I had quite a bit of trouble getting it added to my vera lite, but that was finally accomplished, and after adjusting some settings, its working well. The bluetooth is another story. I have a Galaxy s4, running Android 4.3 w/BTLE. I run the setup on the app, add the lock, it finds it, then sits on "negotiating with danalock" forever. Never goes past it. I've seen another review in the play store saying the same thing, and it looks like there's one here as well, where danalock replied that the android device was unsupported. I could kind of go with that, while it still would be a very very dificult thing to stomach, considering the S4 is so prevalent. However, I have a bone stock iphone5 also, that exhibits EXACTLY the same behavior, and the iphone5 is clearly listed as being supported, and I am running the latest IOS. I have reset the device by pressing the center button until i get 5 beeps, and I've even cycled power completely by removing the batteries. No change. I left the iphone on "negotiating with danalock", literally sitting on the lock itself, and checked it this morning. Still on screen, "negotiating with danalock". There's no other bluetooth settings I'm aware of that I can adjust. So what do I do? I've done all the phone specific things, powered off, rebooted, cycled bluetooth on and off. Even performed a factory wipe of the iphone, no difference. Defective unit? How do I proceed? I've emailed danalock, but their email responses are a little slow, and I see perhaps a danalock employee in this thread so I thought I'd drop a line here.

I just noticed in their FAQ it states "Android: Please check the specs for your phone to be sure it supports Bluetooth Smart. Most new Android phones supports Bluetooth Smart/BLE.
Newest Android 4.4 KitKat must be supported by the Smartphone."

I don't remember seeing KK as a requirement before but it looks like it is now.

i have the same problem and i use nexus v2 and android 4.4.2

also android support BLE from 4.3 and not 4.4

i send them an email and did not get a respond

also i have problem with sending alert when locking/unlocking the door, there is no option for "status of the lock change" there is only option for unlock or unlock in trigger in the vera GUI, so instead of receiving alert only when lock/unlock the door, i receive alert every time vera poll the node, they need to add option in the trigger to send alert when status change and no only when state is lock/unlock

I do have a custom rom on my S4, and I did notice the 4.4 requirement that seems to have been added late. The trouble with all of that is that I have a bone stock iphone 5, on ios 7, that gives me the EXACT same results. Never gets past "negotiating with lock". So while I might give a bit of a pass on the S4 due to various factors, the iphone 5, which is explicitly supported, performs exactly the same, which causes me worry.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: sdholden on January 13, 2014, 10:06:43 pm
Has anyone adjusted the variables via z-wave?
The published documentation:

"The variables indicates:
Variable 0 = Turning the DanaLock clockwise or counter clockwise.
 Set the values to 1 if it should turn the opposite way.
Variable 1 = The value indicates the timeframe specified below
 DanaLock, the time the lock should be turning when you press unlock
Variable 2 = The value indicates the timeframe specified below
 DanaLock: The time the lock should be turning when you press lock
Variable 3 = how much torque/power will you need? Less torque = lower power
 consumption
DanaLock: 1 = max torque
 2 = average torque
 3 = minimum toque, minimum power consumption.
Variable 4 = Indicates what kind of lock you have in your door.
The parameter shall only be set if you want the DanaLock to operate a magnetic door
lock or door strike, then you have to set this parameter to 3"

This is completely incorrect, at best. So far, there is no variable zero. Variable 1 is definitely the toggle between clockwise and counterclockwise operation. I've verified it. With the other settings, I'm getting very mixed results, even changing one variable at a time. At this point, I can't reliably say what any of them do. For instance, according to the docs, variable 1 and 2 should be changed together, right? Well, variable 1 is the toggle. So lets say the variables are off by 1, making 2 and 3 the lock/unlock timing. I can change one of them, either one, and it has an effect, in either speed or duration, on both lock and unlock. So it appears that the ideas published in the manual are completely wrong. This is crazy.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: gibby on January 13, 2014, 10:07:29 pm
Had a surprise today when I got home from the office. My lock showed up. Fedex guy actually came by twice. Took a little bit to install due to my dead bolt but once I got it assembled I was able to add it via the Android app but could not configure it. Added it to Vera with no issues. However the documentation is contradicting on the Variables in Vera. It took about 2 hours to configure via bluetooth but I will say that might be my ROM. On my Note 2 I am running CM KK,  my wife's is stock and can not even download app. Definitely looking forward to the keypad!
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: gibby on January 13, 2014, 10:10:12 pm
Has anyone adjusted the variables via z-wave?
The published documentation:

"The variables indicates:
Variable 0 = Turning the DanaLock clockwise or counter clockwise.
 Set the values to 1 if it should turn the opposite way.
Variable 1 = The value indicates the timeframe specified below
 DanaLock, the time the lock should be turning when you press unlock
Variable 2 = The value indicates the timeframe specified below
 DanaLock: The time the lock should be turning when you press lock
Variable 3 = how much torque/power will you need? Less torque = lower power
 consumption
DanaLock: 1 = max torque
 2 = average torque
 3 = minimum toque, minimum power consumption.
Variable 4 = Indicates what kind of lock you have in your door.
The parameter shall only be set if you want the DanaLock to operate a magnetic door
lock or door strike, then you have to set this parameter to 3"

This is completely incorrect, at best. So far, there is no variable zero. Variable 1 is definitely the toggle between clockwise and counterclockwise operation. I've verified it. With the other settings, I'm getting very mixed results, even changing one variable at a time. At this point, I can't reliably say what any of them do. For instance, according to the docs, variable 1 and 2 should be changed together, right? Well, variable 1 is the toggle. So lets say the variables are off by 1, making 2 and 3 the lock/unlock timing. I can change one of them, either one, and it has an effect, in either speed or duration, on both lock and unlock. So it appears that the ideas published in the manual are completely wrong. This is crazy.

I concur, Var 3 seemed to disable the lock for me.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: sdholden on January 13, 2014, 10:13:00 pm
Gibby, tell me about your bluetooth experience. You say it took two hours. Was that multiple attempts, or it took that long to configure itself?
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: gibby on January 13, 2014, 10:15:20 pm
Gibby, tell me about your bluetooth experience. You say it took two hours. Was that multiple attempts, or it took that long to configure itself?
Multiple attempts, make sure your wifi is off and toggle bluetooth before opening app. Should only take 10 seconds or so to communicate when working. Does take about a minute to reconnect after making a configuration change. I found going into Android apps and force stopping helped too.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: ntk on January 13, 2014, 10:34:20 pm
anyone can see the status of the battery in vera ? i always get 0%
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: gibby on January 13, 2014, 10:36:45 pm
anyone can see the status of the battery in vera ? i always get 0%

Yeah it takes a few times but it should report.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: sdholden on January 13, 2014, 10:49:56 pm
Here's what I've discovered pertaining to z-wave variables only. This knowledge is from real world trial and error.
Variable 0 - does not appear to exist. Vera reports it as undefined, and I have not been able to successfully change its value.
Variable 1 - definitively the direction toggle. Default is zero, which moves the unit clockwise on lock. Change to 1 for the reverse.
Variable 2 - default is 3, which turns the lock for approximately 3 seconds.
                   Setting this value to 1 turns the lock for approximately 6 seconds, but a much slower rate, effectively moving the
                   lock the same distance.
                   Setting this value to 4 turns the lock for approximately 2.5 seconds, but at a faster rate.
                   So it appears that variable 2 controls the speed of the lock. Values of 1-4, at least, are viable.
Variable 3 - This variable does appear to be the torque control as the manual states. For me, anything higher than 1, which the
                   manual states is max torque, renders the lock unable to move.
Variable 4 - Default is 9. This variable appears to be the duration the lock moves, in either direction. The higher the number, the longer it
                   turns and the farther it moves the lock. I cannot tell if the number equates to degrees of rotation or time of rotation.
                   My measurements aren't accurate enough to say for sure, so if you need it to move further, increase the number, or
                   vice versa. For me, a value of 13 stopped the lock just before it stalled due to no room for further movement. 14 caused a
                   momentary bind just at the end. Seems to me thats what you should be going for.
Variable 5 - I'm going to assume this variable is the "magnetic lock variable" mentioned in the manual. I don't need it, and I've found
                   what I needed in the other variables to set it properly, so I don't care.

Hopefully this will help someone, and HEY DANALOCK, REWRITE THE INSTALLATION GUIDE!!! You have my permission to use this info if you like, just let me know where to send the invoice for R&D.
 
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: sdholden on January 13, 2014, 10:54:04 pm
P.S. danalock I'll PM you the address to send the free set of batteries and a new tailpiece adapter. Since I have subjected my unit to extreme usage, figuring out the details of YOUR product, I believe its the least you can do. :)
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: sdholden on January 13, 2014, 11:18:01 pm
And I was finally, finally able to pair the lock with my iphone 5. Still no luck with the S4, but at least the lock does not appear to be faulty. Guess I'll start looking for a 4.4 rom.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: idefix on January 14, 2014, 09:31:12 am
Received mine today and managed to get it to connect to vera after a few tries (had to factory reset once -  would be nice if it is mentioned in the manual how to do that btw) and got it connected after that.

Android no joy so far.
S4 on latest 4.4 as well as a Nexus 7 on latest 4.4 both find the lock but are unable to "negotiatiate"  the connection. Stuck forever on that screen.
Interesting is that the S4 shows multiple entries for the same lock when searching and the nexus 7 only one.
Wifi off, BT toggle countless times did not help either.
Looks like a lot more work needs to go into the Android support for this product :-(

Next issue was mounting it. I have a Schlage deadbolt and the Danalock (square version) came with no adapter plate (unlike what is show on the webpage).  As the large deadbolt screws will never fit the Danalock directly (plus holes are at a different position) and as the Danalock will not cover the Deadbolt hole in any case the plate is absolutely crucial.
Mailed the company to check whether it was accidentally left out of the box.
For now it sits on the shelf looking "pretty"  :-(
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: robertmm on January 14, 2014, 10:19:15 pm
Since I started the thread: I ended up sending mine back. They shipped the wrong version (EU instead of US), promised a replacement PCB which never arrived, emailed a UPS label, and then went silent. Some of the features important to me don't work yet (keyless proximity entry with Bluetooth), and the installation isn't as smooth as the web video would make you believe (I have a Schlage B60 deadbolt). Overall, it's just not ready for prime time, in my opinion.

The initial response from their support was great, and they apologized profusely, but then they inexplicably went completely silent about 20 days or so ago, on three different email addresses. Now this could be because they're a small company (hope everyone is doing alright) -- I don't want to have to fight for my refund.

The one thing I had zero trouble with was the Bluetooth link to my iPhone. It just worked.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: gibby on January 15, 2014, 12:40:52 am
So I did some testing for the z-wave variables. I went to device options and added variables up to 20 and set them to monitor only. Looks like 0-8 are valid.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: idefix on January 16, 2014, 09:34:05 am
The lock is now connect to my Vera and at least the zwave part works.
Pending the mounting issue (plate missing) I'm wondering what will happen if I mount this BT & Zwave lock at my door without ever accessing it via BT for the initial setup (no apples in the house)?

Question is: is the lock open till first time successful setup via BT? Means can anyone with an iPhone and the Dana app simply walk up to my door, pair via BT, run the initial, never used setup and open my door?

Waiting on a reply from the manufacturer on that (and the missing parts).......

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Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: tek on January 16, 2014, 01:51:18 pm
Please don't hang me for this if it's wrong ;-) - but I THINK you should hold the finger on the button untill you hear 5 beeps; Then let go.

Try to include on the new network.

/Martin

5 beeps after each other - or 5 small beeps in a row?
this ?#&%?&? Lock does not want to include.. or exclude

Edit: the BT Device has to be removed from the web gui to be able to factory reset.
But it does not look like factory reset sets z-wave settings back to default, at least i am not able to add it to my vera again

Edit again: removing battery for a while right after  factory reset did the trick.. useless manual.. i think i for some reason manged to disable the entire Lock by setting the variables stated in their manual by some way. the procedure is absolutely identical as last time, just except variables
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: idefix on January 17, 2014, 12:31:15 am
2 beeps after each other to include and exclude. 5 beeps after each other to factory reset (will play a melody once you let go of the button and reset is successful)
I also had the same issue you describe. Removing the battery and plugging it back in solved the issue.

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Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: tek on January 17, 2014, 04:32:23 am
2 beeps after each other to include and exclude. 5 beeps after each other to factory reset (will play a melody once you let go of the button and reset is successful)
I also had the same issue you describe. Removing the battery and plugging it back in solved the issue.

Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk

this time i added to z-wave first since that was where i had problem last time, this worked.. But not able to add the Device as a New Lock With BT - and the kids iphone4s does not detect the other Lock at all.. i`ve sendt a mail to support, probably just have to wait...  >:(

Still no answer from danalock, even not after numerous Messages and posts on facebook either -but at the end i manged to fix this myself.
using a custom BLE scanner I where able to detect the New Lock. the ID for the Lock is the last digits of the MAC adress, so if you have multiple Locks you can use their webpage to exclude known Locks.

After using the scanner to find my "New" Lock, i knew it where avaliable just not for my Phones (tried several suported iphones) and went Ahead and started my BLE diagnostic tool. imidiately it found my unpaired Lock, and tried to read setting. As soon as i started the read, i could see that the lights on the Locks was turned on. Grabbed my phone again and tried to add a New Lock - and it worked..

It looks like it had been into some sort of sleep (the BT part) and had Incredible low rssi rate. did not look like the a factory actually did anything..The Lock came up as "New Lock at the end, but all custom settings like CCW, turn degrees was as i set it the first time.

But i am "happy" for now - but used almost 12 hours to get two Locks up running. Alot of the time could be avoided With proper manuals..


Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: idefix on January 17, 2014, 09:53:55 am
Interesting. Do you by any chance have a android to test with? Would love to know where in the inclusion process the problem occurs as I can see the light in the lock come on and off after some time when I connect the S4 or Nexus 7 but never get the final inclusion confirmation.

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Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: intveltr on January 17, 2014, 12:13:11 pm
According to Danalock it's already in the making; They should be ready with a firmware update later this month to fix all known issues (including registering position using manual turn (key/thumbturn) and  lock/unlock state to avoid "re-locking") and adding proximity BLE etc.

Any idea how we are to receive and install this new firmware?  The lock doesn't appear to have a USB connector on it.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: gibby on January 17, 2014, 12:18:44 pm
According to Danalock it's already in the making; They should be ready with a firmware update later this month to fix all known issues (including registering position using manual turn (key/thumbturn) and  lock/unlock state to avoid "re-locking") and adding proximity BLE etc.

Any idea how we are to receive and install this new firmware?  The lock doesn't appear to have a USB connector on it.

I was thinking the same thing, maybe through a special feature in the bluetooth app. Hopefully this weekend I will have time to play with the Z-Wave variables 0-8 and map them to the Bluetooth App settings.

The ability to not update the status when the lock has been operated manually is putting a hinder on using this to its current full potential. If it takes much longer, I might have to come up with a magnetic detection for the dead bolt.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: intveltr on January 17, 2014, 12:27:06 pm
Indeed, I rather need to have status updates when the lock is operated manually.  I have the Z-wave only version. though.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: gibby on January 17, 2014, 12:36:02 pm
Indeed, I rather need to have status updates when the lock is operated manually.  I have the Z-wave only version. though.

That will be interesting then. Please give an update here if/when they tell you how to upgrade the firmware for the Z-Wave only motion.


Do you get something back if you add Variables 0-8 in monitoring only mode?
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: intveltr on January 17, 2014, 12:41:56 pm
I haven't been able to include it even.  It included once but Vera gave an error about security settings and prompted me to exclude-re-include it.  I could not exclude it and deleted the device, and did a factory reset on the lock.  Since then it fails to even begin the inclusion process.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: gibby on January 17, 2014, 12:42:59 pm
I haven't been able to include it even.  It included once but Vera gave an error about security settings and prompted me to exclude-re-include it.  I could not exclude it and deleted the device, and did a factory reset on the lock.  Since then it fails to even begin the inclusion process.

Did you do a factory reset on the lock and try removing the batteries?
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: intveltr on January 17, 2014, 01:11:21 pm
Removing the batteries did the trick, thanks
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: gibby on January 17, 2014, 01:14:09 pm
Removing the batteries did the trick, thanks

Awesome!
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: tek on January 18, 2014, 03:18:38 pm
does anyone else have problem With the range on this Lock, and random dropouts from z-wave?
today i experienced the Lock on the back door refused to unlock after several retries. the Lock started to blink, and had a LED blink every 2 Seconds.. - battery remove and insert fixed it.

And my other Lock, is not able to comunicate, the closest node is around 10m away, that should make my Lock on two hops from the gateway, but i am just not able to comunicate With it on z-wave

If i dismount and bring it closer it Closer to Gateway, everything work again.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: idefix on January 18, 2014, 10:18:56 pm
I had some issues with that while testing mine near the intended location and changing parameters a few times. Just disappeared. I went the long route: factory reset, included it again and did all the settings from scratch

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Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: idefix on January 21, 2014, 07:57:11 am
Update on the lock from Dana FYI:

- The BT + Zwave model needs to be configured via BT at least once. Otherwise it will remain open for any BT user with the Dana app approaching your front door.  :o Important for Android users who can not get access to the lock yet


- Firmware upgrade: The Z-Wave version 300 can not be field upgraded, since it is a secure device, and all memory are used. We are working on a future option, going to the 500 series.

- A new Android app is planned for this week which (hopefully) will allow non iPhone users to configure the lock
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: ntk on January 21, 2014, 09:14:37 am
What is series 300/500?

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Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: idefix on January 21, 2014, 09:25:19 am
from what I understand series 300 is today's lock and I assume 500 will be the next version.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: ntk on January 21, 2014, 10:06:02 am
I spwnloaded the new update from Google play, I have nexus 7 v2 with android 4.4.2, before the update the bluetooth did not work, but after the update the lock sync with my tablet in 2 sec finally

I hope they will find a way to update the firmware, don't understand why they did not think about it before

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Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: gibby on January 21, 2014, 07:16:43 pm
I also updated the app, a lot better. Still does a few retries sometimes. And auto unlock does not do what it says.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: idefix on January 21, 2014, 07:25:05 pm
Yes, works much better but still looses connection when i configure it. Waiting till the light in the lock goes off before issuing the next command solves the issue.

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Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: gibby on January 22, 2014, 01:01:39 pm
Not sure what happened, but I noticed last night the lock was already yellow for battery. Checked it when I got for work and it was at 26-32%, got some time to poke around their wiki and went and checked my lock again and now it is down to 17% battery. Probably going to have to reach out to them.

On another note. I found all the settings for Z-Wave documented on their site.

http://guide.danalock.com/index.php/ZwConfigMV

and

http://guide.danalock.com/index.php/ZwConfigVariablesTable
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: gibby on January 22, 2014, 02:17:50 pm
Anyone know the battery model for circle 3.0V? I am at the office and want to see if I can find a good deal on Amazon.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: tek on January 24, 2014, 12:58:28 pm
As I said it does NOT change state in the lock, and therefore no matter how many times you poll it, it will not show correct state.

This will be fixed in the next firmware update though.

/Martin

Well, my Locks never updates the status in vera if locking With BT.

my Locks are two weeks old, and allready Down bellow  70% of battery..

The do work - but not good. Bluetooth is useless, tested today when arrived from work With their New app..
Got tired of waiting and unlocked With the key i had to fetch from my Pocket instead.

When asking about identifying the position if operating manually, i was told it would be a firmware fix.

If they had told me that this Lock could NEVER bee Field updated (firmware), but the NEXT Version has the possibility i would returned my Locks imidiately after receiving them..


Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: gibby on January 24, 2014, 01:01:21 pm
Now my battery is reporting 100% full. I went ahead and ordered some more from Amazon. They are CR123's. Not sure if I will return it yet or not. Will see how it goes when I contact them for the new firmware once it is released.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: Ramiii on February 17, 2014, 06:19:17 pm
Hello

I received my second lock today after I received the first one a couple of weeks ago and it was damaged and missing the euro cylinder. Second one got here fine but I have to say I'm very disappointed with the product. Clearly it's not a finished product yet.

First lock I received worked with iPhone via danalock app but I had troubles adding it to my veralite , couldn't install it cause it was missing the cylinder so I didn't realize how hard it's to use. It had a dent and I could hear loose parts shaking inside the lock itself .

Poly-control were kind enough to send me the second lock ( all the way to Egypt )  ,  I got it today and I couldn't even add it to my locks on my iPhone , it gives me an encryption error ( screenshot attached) . It's added to my veralite though and I had the chance to install it on my main door.

The lock couldn't tell if it's locked or unlocked in my vera so it was useless there cause if it's locked and vera see it as unlocked there is no way I can unlock it using my veralite. It's dead.

Also in their videos and website they are saying that I can manually lock or unlock it , well it's almost impossible to do that with the circle cause it's hard to turn it. The lock has no sense of power or resistance and if it's locked and I locked it then it turns again and it felt like it's going to break. I'm sure it'll someday.

The lock has both software and hardware problems. Maybe it's just the circle not the other model cause the other model looks like a normal knob like the cylinder I have here at home but the circle is a true disappointment.   

The above post is the same email I sent to poly control asking for a refund. It's clear that they are not ready with this product.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: limkopi78 on February 23, 2014, 10:35:34 am
My Danalock ran out of juice twice within 2 months.. Those batteries aren't cheap! I guessed I've gotten myself an expensive thumbturn... :(
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: idefix on February 23, 2014, 08:17:12 pm
I will look into a rechargeable option once mine nears the end. I'm using the square one so should have a few options for that (a123 cells possibly)

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Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: polycontrol on February 25, 2014, 06:25:00 am
Hi Guys,

Regarding the battery issue, be sure to update the battery type in app under settings, be sure it is set to 3V batteries and not 3,6V, otherwise you will have a false indication of low battery.
also, be sure to set the settings for advertising in the app, if the setting is 5, it will drain the battery after 94 days of normal use.
If the setting is 1 it will last up to 780 days for the BT100 Circle.

The status of the lock only updates in Z-Wave when using electronic lock/unlock.

Hope this was helpful.

You can read more about the settings in our WIKI:
http://guide.danalock.com/index.php/Main_Page

Otherwise don't hesitate to contact us at: mail@danalock.com

Best regards
Danalock Team

Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: Glocky on February 26, 2014, 02:17:38 am
Hey all,  I'm new to the forums. I have the Danalock BT+Zwave US model. I have a smartthings controller though.  I didn't find out about Vera before I already had the smartthings. Vera will be ordered soon though. The reason I wanted to post is because of the BLE issues. While the Android Danalock apk code is less than stellar, it's not all their fault. Android 4.3 added BLE to devices that already had the hardware capability. The problem is BLE was add-on code and has issues. Samsung (maybe HTC too?) tried to tweak it with their own support, but it really didn't work. Check out this article  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17870189/android-4-3-bluetooth-low-energy-unstable
and
 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21398766/android-ble-connection-time-interval
 and others. I have read that some of these issues will be fixed in KitKat.  Hope this info helps.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: asuz on March 08, 2014, 01:41:38 pm
Hi to all, I have the Danalock BT+Zwave EU model but not mount yet. Assume that the lock is locked mode and if I locked again or opposite the lock is unlocked and re-unlocked again by phone or z-wave interface what will happen. Is there a way to prevent re-lock or re-unlocked mode ?
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: idefix on March 08, 2014, 07:06:25 pm
It will lock again and the gears will skip as the bolt can not move any further. This did -  so far -  not hurt my lock.

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Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: asuz on March 13, 2014, 08:52:19 pm
It will lock again and the gears will skip as the bolt can not move any further. This did -  so far -  not hurt my lock.

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I will try when I feel enough brave :) If something goes wrong you will owe a danalock unit to me :)
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: j0nas on March 24, 2014, 11:01:15 am
According to Danalock it's already in the making; They should be ready with a firmware update later this month to fix all known issues (including registering position using manual turn (key/thumbturn) and  lock/unlock state to avoid "re-locking") and adding proximity BLE etc.

/Martin

Has this been confirmed? I just asked Danalock support, and just got the answer that "For the [lock state] report, this is only updated for the electronically operations."

Really bad news...  :-[
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: gibby on June 25, 2014, 05:52:15 pm
So after 5 months my lock failed. It no longer can put torque against the deadbolt and the ring to lock/unlock manually spins endlessly while moving the deadbolt but again with no torque behind it.

Some interesting notes:
1. My battery reported 10-15% within 2/3 weeks but the following day it was at 100% and has been since then(In Vera and the Android app show 100%), I am actually on the factory batteries. I was not worried about battery use, since a new set of batteries from Amazon was $10 so even replacing them every 6 months was OK for me.
2. The biggest issue. No lockstate change on manual operations.
3. Still no updates on when the keypad will be available. (Without this I could not get the wife to allow auto lock to be on, since sometimes she goes outside without keys/phone and would have no way of getting back in) With this, I could at least tell everyone to not lock the door and let autolock lock it and then have vera assume locked after ## seconds.
4. The "update" for fixing lockstate is not upgradeable and is only for electronic operations.

So with the 4 above issues and it failing, I have fired off an email to them and will see what they do about the failed lock, but I am off to research a new lock.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: nhathaitrieu6 on June 30, 2014, 03:10:40 am
anyone can see the status of the battery in vera ? i always get 0%
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: intveltr on July 04, 2014, 04:51:28 am
My battery started at 100% and I saw it drop down to 0%, though the lock remains functional for a long time now.  So yes, I'd say the battery status gets reported, but it is a bit pessimistic.

I plan to power mine from a mains adapter anyway, so it's not a big deal for me.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: guest144136 on July 18, 2014, 08:08:41 am
Hello,

sorry for the silly question, but I would like to know if it is possible to use the Danalock on doors without a handle?
From outside my door can only be opened with a key. I would like to do this with my Smartphone and Danalock.
Or is it always necessary to pull down the handle?

Thank you!
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: sota on July 29, 2014, 03:33:55 am
I had the same question, so it's not that silly. Here is the reply I received from Danalock:

"There should be no problem in operating your door.
We have done several installation like this in DE and NL."

I imagine you will need the Bluetooth version of the lock to make it work with your Smartphone or else wait until the key fob is released.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: intveltr on July 29, 2014, 04:37:30 am
Hello,

sorry for the silly question, but I would like to know if it is possible to use the Danalock on doors without a handle?
From outside my door can only be opened with a key. I would like to do this with my Smartphone and Danalock.
Or is it always necessary to pull down the handle?

Thank you!

I assume that you mean that when you open the front door with the key, you turn it once around to retract the deadbolt, and then 1/4 turn or so to retract the spring latch (the one that is also operated with the handle on the inside of the door).

In principle, it's possible.  Danalock is strong enough to operate the spring latch if the lock operates smoothly.  You can configure how much Danalock should turn the key, and also tell it to relock again after a number of seconds.  However if you want to operate both the deadbolt and the spring latch, I'm not sure if Danalock can do it.  It'll turn the key enough to operate both, but with Danalock in the "open" position, it'll be holding the spring latch open and your door won't stay closed.  You'd have to hold the door close and then tell Danalock to  lock up.

In general, this type of lock will be difficult to automate with a single solution since you are operating 2 bolts.  What you can do is install a magnetic door strike along with Danalock.  When opening the door, Danalock will first retract the deadbolt, then operate the door strike so that the door can be opened.  Danalock can operate a doorstrike according to the manual but I have never tried this in practice.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: guest144136 on July 29, 2014, 01:06:01 pm
I had the same question, so it's not that silly. Here is the reply I received from Danalock:

"There should be no problem in operating your door.
We have done several installation like this in DE and NL."

I imagine you will need the Bluetooth version of the lock to make it work with your Smartphone or else wait until the key fob is released.

I asked Danalock too and received the exact same answer...Not very helpful i think.

I assume that you mean that when you open the front door with the key, you turn it once around to retract the deadbolt, and then 1/4 turn or so to retract the spring latch (the one that is also operated with the handle on the inside of the door).

Exactly!

In principle, it's possible.  Danalock is strong enough to operate the spring latch if the lock operates smoothly.  You can configure how much Danalock should turn the key, and also tell it to relock again after a number of seconds.  However if you want to operate both the deadbolt and the spring latch, I'm not sure if Danalock can do it.  It'll turn the key enough to operate both, but with Danalock in the "open" position, it'll be holding the spring latch open and your door won't stay closed.  You'd have to hold the door close and then tell Danalock to  lock up.

Thank you for clarification, now this sounds logical to me.

In general, this type of lock will be difficult to automate with a single solution since you are operating 2 bolts.  What you can do is install a magnetic door strike along with Danalock.  When opening the door, Danalock will first retract the deadbolt, then operate the door strike so that the door can be opened.  Danalock can operate a doorstrike according to the manual but I have never tried this in practice.

Here in Germany you can buy the Keymatic for the Homematic System. This Lock has three keys: lock, unlock and open. So after unlocking the door it only performs a small turn to retract the spring latch. I think this is only a software issue and maybe an update could help...
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: guest144136 on August 04, 2014, 08:46:48 am
I asked Danalock again about the spring latch on doors without handle and received the following answer:

"You can set the Danalock to run back after x seconds, we call it Autolock, i believe this it what you are looking for.
This is what we use locks like yours.

It will make the Danalock roll back after x seconds, and thereby put the latch back in position."

So maybe i will order one and try it out...
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: tyfoon on August 28, 2014, 08:40:57 am
Anyone tested these? Especially interested if the spring latch also is pulled back (quit useless if not as my front door always needs a key, even for just pulling back the spring latch)
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: tyfoon on August 29, 2014, 03:22:19 am
I also mailed Danalock (yesterday) and got the following answer:

You have the same lock as they have in Germany, and we are selling them in big numbers there.

The danalock has got enough power to turn the extra 90 degrees to hold the spring back, but you will have to use the auto lock, for the brining the spring back out, or press lock on the touch button on the danalock or even lock it from the app.

We are working on a version, where the danalock hold the spring back and then let it go after x sec, this is better for people using the same type of lock as you. And also it takes less power to do this, so it a win win.
But for now people are just buying and using it as it is.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: jm2121 on September 29, 2014, 03:40:45 pm
Anyone have a problem with the batteries? Mine died and I replaced them with batteries from amazon when I screwed the battery cover on it began smoking and the batteries were really hot when I removed them. Any ideas? It's the round zwave lock.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: CourtK on October 14, 2014, 11:54:09 pm
I too replaced the batteries last weekend.  The light would not go out and it got really hot. I removed the batteries and e-mailed danalock. They replied saying they would send out a pcb replacement.  It had something to do with the version I have and turning the lock by hand without the batteries.  I'm not exactly sure.  Contact them to get the replacement.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: morcom on December 12, 2014, 11:14:00 am
 :-\

It is looking that my lock after 1 month is as well out of power.
It was looking fine but when the weather start to change outside and there was difference in temperature between out-in - it started to die....
Just week ago the power indicated in Vera was 98% - now it is 0%.

I think the design of PCB is really not ready for real use in such humidity and temperature differences.

And - actually I have one code/chip lock from China (no z-wave) which is already working without any issues outside for 2 years.
No matter if there is rain..... snow.... -25deg. C - it is just working. I have paid for this one 10 euros.... :)

Danalock... I would not mention the price - but it is expensive - and it is looking it is not yet ready for real usage....

I have mailed them - hope there is solution. I like the idea... If not - it is not working as described and would have to go back to the producer. In UE the low is little more user friendly for consumers... but hope that step would not be needed.

And unfortunately I see I'm not the only one having issues with battery live.... but paying 12Euros every month just to replace batteries is not the best solution....

If you have any news how this is working after PCB replace - please let me know.

Michal
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: andreyklinger on December 21, 2014, 02:37:05 pm
Was anyone able to operate their Andoid app?

I tried it from Nexus 5, Nexus 4 & Nexus 7 (2013) - all running Android L, and the app crashes when I give my new lock a name.

This essentially means that the BT option is useless for me.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: idefix on December 21, 2014, 07:06:06 pm
Yes the app works for me (android 4.4.4) but sometimes the connection only works at the 2 try. Even on the first try it is quite slow though (way faster to get the key out... :-)...)

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Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: andreyklinger on December 22, 2014, 07:06:53 am
Ok, after I installed the "MyLock" app by the same publisher, instead of crushing it displayed an error message that helped me get the connection working.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: vzhivkov on December 22, 2014, 07:16:10 am
Ok, after I installed the "MyLock" app by the same publisher, instead of crushing it displayed an error message that helped me get the connection working.

What was the problem? Is danalock working properly now? I'm still thinking about buying one so any info would be nice.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: fantaxp7 on February 05, 2015, 10:17:12 am
So is anyone having good luck with this?

I'd really like to get this lock  because my condo building doesn't want me to change the door handle or bolt style.

I have a weird door lock that operates in three positions I hope this would be compatible. One position is open, the second places a lock on the door handle and third position is the deadbolt.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: idefix on February 05, 2015, 07:44:55 pm
It works for me but the BT together with my android is a bit of a hit or miss. Also I had to have the board replaced after a battery change as something broke apparently. 3 positions is, as far as I can see not supported. From your description 2 positions should be good enough for you though. You can adjust how far it turns so either activate the handle or full deadbolt on open

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Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: dclloyd on February 07, 2015, 03:57:26 pm
I was one of the original backers of Lockitron, but after a full year waiting finally gave up once they announced their new "Bolt" product that requires a full replacement of the lock.  Did a little bit of research, was considering the August since they have that new "Connect" add-on, but since it wasn't available yet I went with the Danalock - the Circle with both Zwave and bluetooth.  Ordered it on Wednesday and it was actually at my doorstep by noon on Friday ... pretty impressive given it came from Denmark and I'm in Toronto.  Import fees were steep unfortunately - added about $40 to the total - but nothing to do with the company.

So today I set aside the afternoon, thinking I'd probably need most of it to get it installed an configured.  I was totally wrong.  There was minimal instructions included, but there was a sheet that directs you them on the web - a little poorly worded, but relatively easy to follow.  It literally took me no more than 15 minutes to get the thing mounted on my door - if that.  Maybe I was lucky, but it was simply a matter of removing my old lock's baseplate and replacing it with the one provided with the Danalock.  The existing screws fit the template, and I didn't even have to use the "tailpiece" included as mine fit fine. 

Once it was installed I wanted to test it manually - it's a little counter-intuitive as you turn it the opposite way from what you'd expect, but no big deal.  Also a little stiff to start.  Then moved on to the button, one push to lock, a longer push to unlock.  Seemed to have a problem to start where it wasn't fully unlocking, but after a couple of cycles (manual and via the button) it seemed to adjust. But of course I didn't buy this to use it manually, I wanted to check out the pairing.

First up was the phone.  Downloaded the app, followed the instructions to put it in inclusion mode, and had it paired in less than a minute - on the first go-around.  It's a fairly simple app, but easy enough to lock and unlock it from there.  There's a slight delay when hitting the button before you hear/see the lock respond, but it's only about 2-3 seconds.

Then of course what I figured would be the challenge - getting in included in my Vera system.  As you probably have found, getting new devices paired properly can sometimes be a challenge.  The Danalock was included on the 2nd go - I'm not sure if the instructions on the Danalock website are correct, it says to hit the button twice for Zwave, and three times for Bluetooth.  It seemed (and I might be wrong) that I had to do three times to get it recognized.  Regardless it was way less painful than I've had with other devices.  It was recognized and setup as a lock as it should.  As far as controlling via Zwave, it's working ok at the moment - the delay seems a little longer, but can't say for sure if it's the lock or the Vera.  I'm going to try to do a repair to see if that helps.

I haven't tried all the features yet, but from the basics of having a Bluetooth/ZWave enabled lock I'm pretty pleased!
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: mda on February 07, 2015, 06:09:58 pm
@dclloyd  I too am still waiting for my lockitron and ready to give up. Are you on UI5 perchance? If the danalock is solid on UI5 I think I will follow your lead. Thanks!
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: dclloyd on February 08, 2015, 03:10:03 pm
I'm on UI7 with a Vera 3.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: fantaxp7 on February 09, 2015, 10:43:48 am
I'm a bit worried that it won't fit on my door. Take a look at the pics.

Note the space between the lock and the handle. The notice how that space varies from inside and out.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tmml3aygn5loj1p/2015-02-06%2013.57.33.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vlbvhlj6mdg5dv5/2015-02-06%2013.58.19.jpg?dl=0
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: fantaxp7 on February 13, 2015, 10:07:56 am
Bump...Anyone have an idea of whether or not it might fit my door?

Thanks
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: integlikewhoa on February 13, 2015, 09:58:03 pm
My help if you use a tape measure when you take pictures.

Or better yet look at the last page of the specs page on their website. It shows the size. Along with that and your tape measure, you'll know.

http://www.poly-control.com/media/10982/danalock_SCANDI-ALL-datasheets.pdf
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: chuque on February 24, 2015, 01:04:53 am
I have installed a danalock today and it seems to be working via the BT app and via Zwave.  I have tried to test guest access, but this process doesn't seem intuitive.  has anyone successfully done this?   If everyone has to download the app and create a unique user account on danalock's website that is a terrible design for granting one-time access to a repaiman or the like.  Also the danalock website seems to lack a user forum.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: nullx8 on February 28, 2015, 12:49:06 am
I ordered one to play with  :)  My main challenge will be to get it fitted to an existing Euro cylinder, as I don't want to have to replace the ones I have now (all keyed to a single key). Will post some pics when done.

have you any "good" experience with using a standard cylinder instead of the danalock one ?

i planning of just cutting a key short to fit inside the danalock .. but iam not sure it have to be flexible or not.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: mistrypritz on March 01, 2015, 05:36:00 am
Hey guys a stupid question here maybe but I'm from the UK an was thinking of putting this on the front door of my house...

1. Would you use the lock for this, as in how safe is it could it be easily tampered with to gain access..?

2. I'm using a Vera lite I think I'm on either UI5 or 6 defo not the 7 is it compatible..?

3. Can you still use a normal key or does this replace the key lock..?
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: nullx8 on March 01, 2015, 06:01:53 am
you can use the key (outside only) but it apears the locks in not able to make status-updates to the network if a key is used !

it is compatible to UI 5,6,7

if you use it via the vera .. the lock will tell the controller if it has sucessfully locked/unlocked ... so yes i guess its pretty safe.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: mistrypritz on March 01, 2015, 12:32:34 pm
Great thanks for the reply, I guess tue only question is if it's compatible with with my current door lock system as it's an all in one handle and lock an I can see all the others who have posted pics the lock is separate.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: magiske on March 07, 2015, 01:32:09 pm
Is it possible to enable/disable the button on the lock ?
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: nullx8 on March 09, 2015, 03:51:04 am
Is it possible to enable/disable the button on the lock ?

no .. would not be much use as wel as the Lock can be operated also without any power by simply moving the Ring.
(backup function)
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: hakanaydin on March 23, 2015, 05:43:25 am
I was one of the original backers of Lockitron, but after a full year waiting finally gave up once they announced their new "Bolt" product that requires a full replacement of the lock.  Did a little bit of research, was considering the August since they have that new "Connect" add-on, but since it wasn't available yet I went with the Danalock - the Circle with both Zwave and bluetooth.  Ordered it on Wednesday and it was actually at my doorstep by noon on Friday ... pretty impressive given it came from Denmark and I'm in Toronto.  Import fees were steep unfortunately - added about $40 to the total - but nothing to do with the company.

So today I set aside the afternoon, thinking I'd probably need most of it to get it installed an configured.  I was totally wrong.  There was minimal instructions included, but there was a sheet that directs you them on the web - a little poorly worded, but relatively easy to follow.  It literally took me no more than 15 minutes to get the thing mounted on my door - if that.  Maybe I was lucky, but it was simply a matter of removing my old lock's baseplate and replacing it with the one provided with the Danalock.  The existing screws fit the template, and I didn't even have to use the "tailpiece" included as mine fit fine. 

Once it was installed I wanted to test it manually - it's a little counter-intuitive as you turn it the opposite way from what you'd expect, but no big deal.  Also a little stiff to start.  Then moved on to the button, one push to lock, a longer push to unlock.  Seemed to have a problem to start where it wasn't fully unlocking, but after a couple of cycles (manual and via the button) it seemed to adjust. But of course I didn't buy this to use it manually, I wanted to check out the pairing.

First up was the phone.  Downloaded the app, followed the instructions to put it in inclusion mode, and had it paired in less than a minute - on the first go-around.  It's a fairly simple app, but easy enough to lock and unlock it from there.  There's a slight delay when hitting the button before you hear/see the lock respond, but it's only about 2-3 seconds.

Then of course what I figured would be the challenge - getting in included in my Vera system.  As you probably have found, getting new devices paired properly can sometimes be a challenge.  The Danalock was included on the 2nd go - I'm not sure if the instructions on the Danalock website are correct, it says to hit the button twice for Zwave, and three times for Bluetooth.  It seemed (and I might be wrong) that I had to do three times to get it recognized.  Regardless it was way less painful than I've had with other devices.  It was recognized and setup as a lock as it should.  As far as controlling via Zwave, it's working ok at the moment - the delay seems a little longer, but can't say for sure if it's the lock or the Vera.  I'm going to try to do a repair to see if that helps.

I haven't tried all the features yet, but from the basics of having a Bluetooth/ZWave enabled lock I'm pretty pleased!

I have exactly the same problem. When I try to unlock/lock the device it delays and vera's web interface dont update the button. Its quite interesting my vera  runs  1.7.481 firmware ???
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: teonebello on May 03, 2015, 05:10:56 pm
you can use the key (outside only) but it apears the locks in not able to make status-updates to the network if a key is used !

it is compatible to UI 5,6,7

if you use it via the vera .. the lock will tell the controller if it has sucessfully locked/unlocked ... so yes i guess its pretty safe.

Not have the status make it quite useless!

Really disappointed
Matteo


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Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: nullx8 on May 03, 2015, 09:25:17 pm

[/quote]

Not have the status make it quite useless!

Really disappointed
[/quote]

Well yes and no.

Its disappointing for sure as this would not be a challenge to accomplish, and its also a security aspect.

But no lock do cover movement of the door (just the lock) so i have door sensors as well which would trigger an alarm if a "locked" door is opened.

Its sad, but both together make it pretty safe. (I think)


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Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: aleilia on June 08, 2015, 03:36:48 am
hi i bought a danalock circle it's work but it doesn't do the poll so if i open manually it's not synchronise with vera.haw do i do?please help me
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: mrv777 on June 08, 2015, 07:09:19 am
hi i bought a danalock circle it's work but it doesn't do the poll so if i open manually it's not synchronise with vera.haw do i do?please help me

If you manually lock or unlock it, it is currently not possible to have the status of the lock update.  This is a flaw in their software/hardware and the main complaint here about it.  I'm not sure what their plans are to resolve this.
Title: Re: Danalock?
Post by: cafri on June 22, 2015, 06:50:22 am
The cylinder they send me did not fit my door (I send them pictures of the cylinder and the door, they say it will fit) anyway I remove the tail from there cylinder and I attached it to my cylinder (will show pic later today or tomorrow)

Any chance to share how you managed to keep your existing cylinder?