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Title: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: micasaverde on January 10, 2014, 02:11:10 am
I wanted to quickly respond to the thread and comments about the UI6 release (1.6.633).  We have a new UI, and we wanted to release it to our beta tester community last month, and then make it a public beta in the forum before the holidays.  Unfortunately, we ran into some issues, which were fixed around December 19.  However all of our development staff, and much the tech support staff, had a 2 week vacation around Christmas and New Years, so we postponed it.  We didn't want to offer a new firmware that hadn't been thoroughly tested, and then have everybody go away on vacation, unable to support it.  We will be releasing it to the beta testers next week, and make it a public beta a week or two after that once we're sure there's no major bugs.

At the same time that we intended to give it to the beta testers, we also loaded UI6 on a handful of units that were sent to some key dealers to get their feedback on the design.  There was a mixup and a couple of the units got shipped to end users.  So, yes, it was a result of human error that someone on the forum got a Vera with UI6, but without the quickstart guide to match.  We're trying to sort out how that happened now.

In the meantime,  please be patient and give us a few more days to test it and release it to the beta testers.  And don't think that we intentionally released it and left the Vera community in the dark about UI6.  We posted an announcement in the forum a few weeks ago that UI6 was coming, but it was a mistake that it got "in the wild" before we were ready.

Thank you for your understanding.  We will have more details and screenshots very soon.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: sossienl on January 10, 2014, 02:53:39 am
Thanks for this much needed update! Good luck the next couple of days to prepare the beta
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Mobilniy on January 10, 2014, 03:04:28 am
Unfortunately, we ran into some issues, which were fixed around December 19.
Thank you for your explanation. I'm using a Vera Lite and Lua engine getting stuck with an infinite loop on this leaked firmware.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: HouseBot on January 10, 2014, 03:22:29 am
Great News!!!  8)
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: mfp on January 10, 2014, 04:24:06 am
Thanks MicaVerde for this information.

Please post news like this more often on this forum.

We are all interested in developments, like new firmwares, new devices supported, future services, hardware plans and releases, etc

I prefer some communication with a disclaimer in regard to ambitions and timescale above no communication at all.

I do understand that ambition (like the new hardwarnnouncement last year) sometimes does not get realized and that re-planning is needed, I can live with that.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: mikewooduk on January 10, 2014, 06:01:10 am
This is brilliant news, however will it support Vera II units or should I buy Vera 3 or wait for Vera Pro?

Many thanks,

Mike
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: svaleb on January 10, 2014, 06:10:42 am
Thank you MCV
Very nice to see something in writing from you, and that you take hand of the situation.
Thanks for the information.
Regards
          CE


Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: macrho on January 10, 2014, 06:24:17 am
Kudos for the information, please keep it up
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Trailblazer on January 10, 2014, 09:01:29 am
Micasaverde, thank you for the update. Will this new release provide support for the First Alert ZCombo Smoke /CO Detector?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: chixxi on January 10, 2014, 09:10:47 am
Thank you sooooooooooooooooo much for this official information! I wish we would get news like this more frequent.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Z-Waver on January 10, 2014, 09:13:33 am
This is the kind of post I want to see! Factual and official information and explanations. Thanks for explaining the stealth upgrade, this was my greatest worry.

There is an Official Announcements topic (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/board,4.0.html) at the top of the forum. It hasn't had a post for almost one year. I encourage MCV to exercise it with more posts like this one.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Tank on January 10, 2014, 09:23:25 am
Thank you for the information.  I agree with everyone here, it was pleasant to get a real update from an employee.

Even if an update isn't weeks away it would still be nice to hear from the MCV staff a couple times a month.  You guys don't have to wait for major announcements to post here, just stop in to say hi once in a while.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Sender on January 10, 2014, 09:40:36 am
Wowzers! This update immediately disarms me... can there be possibly be an update on http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Release_Notes to reflect the updates? E.g. will the fibaro smoke detector be supported (class 2 bug resolved)?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: garrettwp on January 10, 2014, 11:03:18 am
I got word from MCV that UI6 will be the current release in the next coming weeks. It will be a cross between UI5 and UI7. UI7 will be released sometime in the spring. Not sure what the features / updates will entail for UI6. UI7 will be a full UI change.

- Garrett
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Skaven on January 10, 2014, 11:08:20 am

I got word from MCV that UI6 will be the current release in the next coming weeks. It will be a cross between UI5 and UI7. UI7 will be released sometime in the spring. Not sure what the features / updates will entail for UI6. UI7 will be a full UI change.

- Garrett
do u known if 3G is coming in ui6?


// Sorry about my spelling I'm dyslexic and so you know all translations is translate by Google translate so don't complain about my English spelling \
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: garrettwp on January 10, 2014, 11:10:10 am

I got word from MCV that UI6 will be the current release in the next coming weeks. It will be a cross between UI5 and UI7. UI7 will be released sometime in the spring. Not sure what the features / updates will entail for UI6. UI7 will be a full UI change.

- Garrett
do u known if 3G is coming in ui6?


// Sorry about my spelling I'm dyslexic and so you know all translations is translate by Google translate so don't complain about my English spelling \

Do not worry about it. I do not know. I do not know the specific details of UI6 or UI7. Just wanted to let others know that UI6 will be a hybrid between UI5 and UI7 and not to get their hopes up of a major change in firmware.

- Garrett
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: baxy_AU on January 10, 2014, 12:55:01 pm
now.

 We posted an announcement in the forum a few weeks ago that UI6 was coming, but it was a mistake that it got "in the wild" before we were ready.



Where was this posted? Anybody? I would have thought that this information would be a hot topic seeing as feedback from MCV is so sorely lacking.

Edit: just checked....definitely nothing in the official announcement s section
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: svaleb on January 10, 2014, 01:08:48 pm
@baxy_AU

Good you picked it up.
I was wondering how I could have missed it.
And not seen any comments.
                           
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: oTi@ on January 13, 2014, 03:11:42 pm
[...]In the past year, we HAVE developed two new UI's, [...]

Anyway, we have decide we can't keep stalling and leave the Vera community with UI5.  We have been having internal meetings specifically about this thread and have decided we have to push one of the new user experiences out this year no matter what, [...]

now.

 We posted an announcement in the forum a few weeks ago that UI6 was coming, but it was a mistake that it got "in the wild" before we were ready.



Where was this posted? Anybody? I would have thought that this information would be a hot topic seeing as feedback from MCV is so sorely lacking.

Edit: just checked....definitely nothing in the official announcement s section
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: micasaverde on January 13, 2014, 08:05:50 pm
The new release supports 3g data backup, and also the new version of hte command class for Fibaro and new Aeon sensors.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Z-Waver on January 13, 2014, 11:06:07 pm
@micasaverde - Such a tease.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Javelin on January 14, 2014, 12:30:29 am
The new release supports 3g data backup, and also the new version of hte command class for Fibaro and new Aeon sensors.

Mind discribing the new HTE command class how does this benefit the end user?

Excited to test the new build, hopefully not to many plugins break or can at-least revert to a previous firmware and backup?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Sender on January 14, 2014, 01:13:10 am
The new release supports 3g data backup, and also the new version of hte command class for Fibaro and new Aeon sensors.

Mind discribing the new HTE command class how does this benefit the end user?

Excited to test the new build, hopefully not to many plugins break or can at-least revert to a previous firmware and backup?

Indeed. Wil this support the fibaro smoke sensors then? I have connected fibaro to mcv.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: parkerc on January 14, 2014, 02:41:14 am
I got word from MCV that UI6 will be the current release in the next coming weeks. It will be a cross between UI5 and UI7. UI7 will be released sometime in the spring. Not sure what the features / updates will entail for UI6. UI7 will be a full UI change.

- Garrett

Thanks @miasaverde & Garrett for the update.

Reading between the lines (although it may have already been said directly somewhere and I missed it) . If UI7 is a full change, can it be officially confirmed that  there will be new hardware (e.g Vera 4 etc.) to help leverage/support the new code set etc. (ETA spring 2014)

I don't think I'm alone in looking to do a hardware upgrade at some point this year,
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: baxy_AU on January 14, 2014, 03:13:03 am
Nv
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Skaven on January 14, 2014, 03:40:27 am
I hope next Vera is going to support ups integration I mean if power go then it starts to run on the inbuilt battery perfekt if running ower 3g and hope the can fix so it can send SMS notifications from 3G to then the limit 1 SMS per day from getvera is not a problem eny Moore and itleast add 1 more USB port and a removable anteena

Skickat fr?n min GT-I9300  4

Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: andreimios on January 14, 2014, 03:44:15 am
now.

 We posted an announcement in the forum a few weeks ago that UI6 was coming, but it was a mistake that it got "in the wild" before we were ready.



Where was this posted? Anybody? I would have thought that this information would be a hot topic seeing as feedback from MCV is so sorely lacking.

Edit: just checked....definitely nothing in the official announcement s section

You are right, this was not made in the official announcement's section, it was made in a highly debated topic at that moment : http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,16777.msg134227.html#msg134227
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: garrettwp on January 14, 2014, 03:50:42 am
I hope next Vera is going to support ups integration I mean if power go then it starts to run on the inbuilt battery perfekt if running ower 3g and hope the can fix so it can send SMS notifications from 3G to then the limit 1 SMS per day from getvera is not a problem eny Moore and itleast add 1 more USB port and a removable anteena

Skickat fr?n min GT-I9300  4

Vera Lite can not use the built in battery for battery backup. You will need to use a separate UPS and find a way to integrate that into Vera. Some discussions have already been on going about this. If you want an additional usb port, than Vera 3 is your only option. For external antenna, you might want to search the forum for "antenna mod".

- Garrett
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Skaven on January 14, 2014, 03:56:05 am
I hope next Vera is going to support ups integration I mean if power go then it starts to run on the inbuilt battery perfekt if running ower 3g and hope the can fix so it can send SMS notifications from 3G to then the limit 1 SMS per day from getvera is not a problem eny Moore and itleast add 1 more USB port and a removable anteena

Skickat fr?n min GT-I9300  4

Vera Lite can not use the built in battery for battery backup. You will need to use a separate UPS and find a way to integrate that into Vera. Some discussions have already been on going about this. If you want an additional usb port, than Vera 3 is your only option. For external antenna, you might want to search the forum for "antenna mod".

- Garrett

I'm a Vera 3 user I'm talking about next hardware Vera box

Skickat fr?n min GT-I9300  4

Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 14, 2014, 10:55:37 am
i have the new firmware file, can i just install this on my vera 3 lite ?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Skaven on January 14, 2014, 11:02:06 am
i have the new firmware file, can i just install this on my vera 3 lite ?

I recommend u what to the official build is released because the leakt  version has Many problems

U can't us 3G
U can't install apps
U need to make new remote user account
And so on


// Sorry about my spelling I'm dyslexic and so you know all translations is translate by Google translate so don't complain about my English spelling \
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on January 14, 2014, 11:03:48 am
You can do what every you want with your Vera.

But I do not think anyone will advise you to install undocumented firmware onto your system.
You may or may not be able to recover from this. You may brick your unit!

Of course you will have NO support from MCV or this community ...
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 14, 2014, 11:06:51 am
i have the new firmware file, can i just install this on my vera 3 lite ? squatch

I recommend that you wait until the official build is released, because the leakt version has many problems.

You can't use 3G
You can't install apps
You need to make a new remote user account
And so on..


// Sorry about my spelling I'm dyslexic and so you know all translations is translate by Google translate so don't complain about my English spelling \
i should wait, ok. it is not leaked version, its real beta. but you have a point. i have no time for poking around and trouble with the new firmware.
im sorry to hear ur dyslectic. not native english, i'm not either. i understand what u say, that is a good thing so don't feel sorry or bothered with it.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: oTi@ on January 14, 2014, 11:09:29 am
We will release private and public beta firmwares before the general release, so there will be enough time to test them before they go public. Installing random firmwares like the one that was posted may result in data (user_data) loss or corruption, or, in the worst case, a bricked Vera.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 14, 2014, 11:09:39 am
You can do what every you want with your Vera.
But I do not think anyone will advise you to install undocumented firmware onto your system.
You may or may not be able to recover from this. You may brick your unit!
Of course you will have NO support from MCV or this community ...
yeah i got ya.. frankly im not into messing around but i wondered. it is the new beta that goes to testers. just don't feel like going the hard way. im sure it won't brick my unit , but it requires doing additional stuff to make it work, which in non-beta version goes all automatic.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 14, 2014, 11:11:43 am
We will release private and public beta firmwares before the general release, so there will be enough time to test them before they go public. Installing random firmwares like the one that was posted may result in data (user_data) loss or corruption, or, in the worst case, a bricked Vera.
it is not the same as the one posted and please don't modify my post, i did allready confuscated the filename.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: garrettwp on January 14, 2014, 11:21:07 am
No firmware for UI6 has gone to any testers. It's all still in house.

- Garrett

Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 14, 2014, 11:24:24 am
No firmware for UI6 has gone to any testers. It's all still in house.
- Garrett
what else is new.. it is nevertheless allready there, so why don't they give it to you allready ? of all ppl you should get it before i do, not ? is there a E.T.A. ?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: oTi@ on January 14, 2014, 11:29:51 am
what else is new.. it is nevertheless allready there, so why don't they give it to you allready ? of all ppl you should get it before i do, not ? [...]
Yup; locking down access has been brought up many times by the beta folks.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 14, 2014, 11:34:12 am
ow btw this link mcv.andrei posted is not what he ment. it goes to one of my posts. he ment this : http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,22297.msg149159.html#msg149159 (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,22297.msg149159.html#msg149159)
edit: oTi@ changed the link to the right one. thank him for that.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 14, 2014, 11:38:30 am
Yup; locking down access has been brought up many times by the beta folks.
yeah, it has been so for a few year now and i think it should change. you beta folks are more then capable to do some real-life testing and it would be an asset for mcv.
i wonder why mcv does this, they prolly have a valid reason for it, one that we do not understand nor wish for.
there is still nothing in the announcement part of this forum about anything and somehow i feel it would be a good start to start doing that from now on.
ow btw thnx for altering my post, i saw no reason for it , but you apparently did. sorry if i made you feel scared for a moment.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Brientim on January 14, 2014, 01:54:08 pm
I would strongly suggest you do not install it.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: svaleb on January 16, 2014, 08:17:47 am
It is about a week now, is it not.
Any beta testers recived anything ?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: oTi@ on January 16, 2014, 09:04:26 am
Nope.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Aaron on January 18, 2014, 12:42:37 am
It is pretty funny (more like sad)... they are talking about UI7 when after a year they cannot even release a UI6 beta. Heck, they won't even provide a features or bug fix list.

These guys should give up on writing software, open source all the code... and stick to building/selling hardware and writing drivers. The community clearly writes better software/apps (at least a dozen examples of this) and if they open sourced the UI I bet within a year we'd have a 10x better platform - and they'd sell more hardware.

I wish Synology would make an HA device... it would rock. Those guys are always updating, enhancing, fixing, their NAS OS and apps (+ apps for Android & iOS) ... and it can do 100x what the Vera does. Oh well, guess I can dream.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Skaven on January 18, 2014, 03:17:09 am
What I haw understood UI6 is only fore OEM


// Sorry about my spelling I'm dyslexic and so you know all translations is translate by Google translate so don't complain about my English spelling \
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: garrettwp on January 18, 2014, 06:08:15 am
My understanding of releasing UI6 is to hold us over until UI7 is ready for release. UI6 was directed towards Oems from what I was told in the past.

- Garrett

Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: svaleb on January 18, 2014, 07:34:10 am
You have proberbly see this all of you.

http://youtu.be/kE4c3ON4F8w

Reg.
      CE
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: gregl on January 18, 2014, 07:44:14 am
I hadn't so thanks Svaleb!

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Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Thiemen on January 18, 2014, 07:49:11 am
I hadn't so thanks Svaleb!

+1

I hope MCV will come with some official statement soon, that beta testers/ app developers can start using a new firmware release!
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Freddan101 on January 18, 2014, 09:06:34 am
You have proberbly see this all of you.

http://youtu.be/kE4c3ON4F8w

Reg.
      CE
Thanks for the link. March they say... Will be interesting to try it out.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Javelin on January 18, 2014, 08:14:43 pm
Thanks for the link.

This looks like a positive move forward for Vera system. Hopefully it " just works " and praying for no bugs. Would be happy to beta test, but looks like it is very exclusive to get in.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: S-F on January 18, 2014, 08:55:30 pm
@Javelin,

You probably don't want to be in on the early beta. You'd just run a screwed up system and have access to a new section of the board where our competent members tell MCV that they are pushing broken products, provide concise examples/explanations and then get ignored.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Aaron on January 18, 2014, 11:27:22 pm
@Javelin,

You probably don't want to be in on the early beta. You'd just run a screwed up system and have access to a new section of the board where our competent members tell MCV that they are pushing broken products, provide concise examples/explanations and then get ignored.

that would never happen. they changed their name to Vera - totally different company now. :-P
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: f5snopro on January 19, 2014, 07:49:10 pm
You have proberbly see this all of you.

http://youtu.be/kE4c3ON4F8w

Reg.
      CE

You have proberbly see this all of you.

http://youtu.be/kE4c3ON4F8w

Reg.
      CE

This looks pretty awesome! And I was happy to see the first alert smoke detector on the wall. Glad I made the switch from mControl, seems like these guys continue to progress the product!
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Aaron on January 19, 2014, 08:35:16 pm
This looks pretty awesome! And I was happy to see the first alert smoke detector on the wall. Glad I made the switch from mControl, seems like these guys continue to progress the product!

Ah, you are so new here... brother, you simply changed changed from one company with no customer service, updates that only come every year or so, and bugs that last forever - to another one with a different name... I guess at least this one has a lot of community activity, unlike mControl.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: zedrally on January 20, 2014, 12:35:18 am

Thanks for the link. March they say... Will be interesting to try it out.

OMG March they say now...this is just as bad as Almond+, the router that everyone wanted last year....
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: garrettwp on January 20, 2014, 12:46:22 am
March / April is suppose to be for UI7 not UI6. Hopefully UI6 will be out in the next few weeks.

- Garrett
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Freddan101 on January 20, 2014, 08:34:47 am
March / April is suppose to be for UI7 not UI6. Hopefully UI6 will be out in the next few weeks.

- Garrett
Do you know why ver 6 is being released just before ver 7? I mean, why not wait a couple of months and call the March/April release 6?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Z-Waver on January 20, 2014, 08:53:59 am
Everyone here is working from rumor and supposition. There is no one here that has any direct knowledge of release dates. Even the forum Beta testers have not yet acknowledged receiving UI6 for testing.  Micasaverde, who sets the dates themselves, will likely have some slippage, so no one knows.

I think that @garrettwp is being a little optimistic. As others have commented, it doesn;t make sense or follow Micasaverde's track record for them to release UI6 and UI7 within weeks/months of each other.

Based on previous posts and rumors, in combination with Micasaverde's track record, I think we can expect to see UI6 in Q1 of 2014. The closest thing I have seen to anything remotely official implied a Q3 2014 release for UI7. I firmly believe that we will be very lucky to see a UI7 general release before Q4 2014.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: svaleb on January 20, 2014, 09:47:41 am
Hmm, in the start of this tread we are told that something should have been out before cristmas. There has been talks about "next week" and "give us a few more days", "we will keep you informed"....
Now the CES is over, no news since.
                                          CE
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: chixxi on January 20, 2014, 09:52:23 am
Experienced vera users expected this in advance  ;)   :'(
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 20, 2014, 11:18:03 am
seems http://cp.mios.com/firmware  now goes to the new page and let one make a new account.. ending up in https://home.getvera.com/dashboard/display
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Aaron on January 20, 2014, 12:03:56 pm
seems http://cp.mios.com/firmware  now goes to the new page and let one make a new account.. ending up in https://home.getvera.com/dashboard/display

MCV is excellent at making new web pages... maybe they should hire their web developers to actually work on their devices. I get the feeling the Vera 'dev team' is one dude in china working for MCV from midnight to 5am... then going to his day job.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: ntk on January 20, 2014, 12:04:20 pm
There is also new android app "mms vera"

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Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 20, 2014, 12:23:11 pm
MCV is excellent at making new web pages... maybe they should hire their web developers to actually work on their devices. I get the feeling the Vera 'dev team' is one dude in china working for MCV from midnight to 5am... then going to his day job.
LOL !
i hear you fanaticly keep an eye on them so you should know xD
there a whole family there as you could have seen on the foto's found hidden on the new vera.com site. besides all this there has been spoken about the new interface and that one need to make a new account and a more difficult password. so i guess this is going to be the new remote UI we are looking at. things in the background of MCV had allways been vague and only now they started to inform us users a bit what is going on there. i think we are going to have this upgrade for the UI6 firmware soon as can be seen on all the changes lately made. its all slow progress but it is finally happening as we speak now. it is only waiting for the new beta (or rtm version this time?) to come out or made downloadable for testers. i guess the're doing overtime work atm now there in this poor lit chinese squad lol
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Aaron on January 20, 2014, 02:38:32 pm
It is funny how eager everyone is to get a new "UI"... I'm not eager to get all the bugs that are sure to come with it.  MCV has yet to prove they can release regular bug fixes, or any 'net new' in a reasonable amount of time... this typically adds up to mean quality is low when they do. I've seen, and been involved in, many development efforts at many companies - this holds true 99% of the time. When you have quality developers, you have regular bug fixes and/or reasonably frequent version releases - Vera is 0 for 2 on this. Couple this with the lack of community out reach... well, that tells you the whole story.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Sender on January 20, 2014, 04:22:09 pm
This is not very promising:
http://www.touteladomotique.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=13160

Translated from the french site:
by the usual beta chain .
But I would not advise anyone to do this update for now.

This is a test Veralite therefore not blocking but I can not take control over at least log me (so no remote access) .
Current accounts are not valid on this UI , and former MCV site is not ready for a mate vera UI6 an account : it takes !

One the other I'm happy and disappointed glad we still have UI5 behind to set up and do our Luup , happy because obviously clicking on the detail of modules under UI6 vera appear on the scenes they use , disappointed because the concept of 16/9 to completely disappeared , disappointed because it takes up more space for less info (eg instant consolation of WallPlug is conspicuously absent ) .

Now I feel the need to use a GUI other than that proposed , then qu'UI5 did not mind that much for a quick read of the situation.

I did a quick transfer to the prod config UI6 , the shock was seeing 2.5 MB free memory starting dice vs 9 + under UI5 , but with a network management visibly better (very little slowdown or collision ) .
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: f5snopro on January 20, 2014, 06:27:40 pm
This looks pretty awesome! And I was happy to see the first alert smoke detector on the wall. Glad I made the switch from mControl, seems like these guys continue to progress the product!

Ah, you are so new here... brother, you simply changed changed from one company with no customer service, updates that only come every year or so, and bugs that last forever - to another one with a different name... I guess at least this one has a lot of community activity, unlike mControl.

Damn... mControl was horrible. I was hoping for something better here...
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Sender on January 22, 2014, 02:34:01 pm
Goto firmware.getvera.com
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Z-Waver on January 22, 2014, 02:41:56 pm
Goto firmware.getvera.com
No thanks. You go first.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: flyveleder on January 22, 2014, 02:43:47 pm
Can only get better - right  8) ... I jumped straight into it ... lets see how it goes  ;D
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Aaron on January 22, 2014, 02:58:18 pm
Can only get better - right  8) ... I jumped straight into it ... lets see how it goes  ;D

our prayers are with you my son... 
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: gibby on January 22, 2014, 03:02:45 pm
Goto firmware.getvera.com
No thanks. You go first.
lol
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: S-F on January 22, 2014, 03:05:54 pm
What?! I thought there was going to be a beta first.

Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: ih8gates on January 22, 2014, 03:29:42 pm
Ha. And if you DO go there, the message reads:

Tnere is a new firmware for your unit. Get he current quick start guide

One spelling error per sentence doesn't give me the warm fuzzies.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: oTi@ on January 22, 2014, 04:23:09 pm
What?! I thought there was going to be a beta first.
Spontaneous uncontrolled crowd-sourced alpha testing of unannounced firmware comes first. Didn't get the memo? ;)
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: intveltr on January 22, 2014, 04:34:20 pm
Hm, I read UI7 is going to be Vera 3 / lite only.  What about UI6?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: chixxi on January 22, 2014, 04:40:36 pm
boooooom: http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,22685.0/topicseen.html  :'(
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Z-Waver on January 22, 2014, 05:24:30 pm
boooooom: http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,22685.0/topicseen.html  :'(
What are you crying for? You didn't install the newer firmware did you?

Already the posts read:
PLEG Not quite right.
PLEG out of control.
How do I revert to previous version?

LOL

"Fools rush in..."
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 22, 2014, 08:36:04 pm
lol so far im happy with the speed improvement
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: garrettwp on January 22, 2014, 11:07:13 pm
Because you jumped the gun on upgrading before an official announcement is out. Do not expect any support from the community or mcv. Your on your own.

- Garrett

Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: chixxi on January 23, 2014, 12:39:15 am
boooooom: http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,22685.0/topicseen.html  :'(
What are you crying for? You didn't install the newer firmware did you?

I am crying for te stupidity and inability of Vera/MCV.

@garrettwp: I think you are wrong now. MCV has never done any official announcements, or are you talking about facebook and twitter? From a endusers perspective, if you can go to one webpage and update your device, this looks like a public release.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: garrettwp on January 23, 2014, 01:03:23 am
boooooom: http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,22685.0/topicseen.html  :'(
What are you crying for? You didn't install the newer firmware did you?

I am crying for te stupidity and inability of Vera/MCV.

@garrettwp: I think you are wrong now. MCV has never done any official announcements, or are you talking about facebook and twitter? From a endusers perspective, if you can go to one webpage and update your device, this looks like a public release.

Really? What is this then?

1.5.622 (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,14189.0.html)

MCVFlorin expressed on the private beta side that he will need to make some changes to the board before providing information on the beta. It was also discussed via email that they need to update the documentation especially for remote access as things have changed. Most of this information is from people hunting around. I strongly suggest that people hold off. But if you do decide to proceed, you will be on your own.

- Garrett
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: chixxi on January 23, 2014, 01:22:10 am
You know what I do with software/firmware I don't want my customers/friends to put on their devices? I don't put them on publicly accessible ftp servers.  ;)

I can't believe it, but they are taking the same route as on UI5 release (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=8600.0), bad communication, wrong dates and promises, no proper beta, public access to non-public firmware, and in the end a whole lot of unsatisfied endusers...
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: flyveleder on January 23, 2014, 02:12:47 am
Easy boys; everyone knows that things are not stable until official notification - so the ones choosing to upgrade now take the risk. And so what.
I am not complaining about the problems on UI6 - simply stating them - and no, I don't expect MCV (or should we rename them VC ?) to respond to anything or get any help.

Give ppl some credit. It's quite fair that you don't dare to update yet - but don't pick on ppl who do. You should be happy that someone actually plunge into it and make some initial findings.

/Martin
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Sender on January 23, 2014, 02:18:20 am
In the end UI5 still is in "beta". And as mentioned by several people before. I also think VERA will never be out of beta...
The official firmware announcement in our interfaces only worked from ui4 to ui5. But not to the latest ui5... I lost track on what is "official" with MCV. What should be done to get it official? Forum announcement, website announcement, interface,  newsletter? Or a link to a fully operational and fully functional website like firmware.getvera.com?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: garrettwp on January 23, 2014, 02:26:34 am
MCV already stated in previous posts that they will make an announce. We have already been patient enough, so what is waiting a little bit longer. What bothers me is the fact that there are already posts of things not working with plugins and asking for suggestions!

- Garrett
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Sender on January 23, 2014, 02:27:58 am
Thats what a forum is for :-)
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: flyveleder on January 23, 2014, 02:32:55 am
I think it's great that ppl start writing about what is not working; Might give MCV (VC) a heads-up on what they need to fix.

/Martin
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: garrettwp on January 23, 2014, 02:34:43 am
You are not getting the point. The point is people are asking for a solution on something that has not been released and zero time / experience with!

- Garrett
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: chixxi on January 23, 2014, 03:31:29 am
The point is people are asking for a solution on something that has not been released and zero time / experience with!

Exactly, I get your point, people are bothering you for solutions which you just don't have. But I don't think it's fair to point your anger (or rather criticism) at endusers. It's MCV who messed up, they are the ones which can provide you the beta and with that the time to get the needed experience and solutions. They made the untested release accessible to the public themselves! They are the ones which could provide more information, but as always, they are the last ones to post in the forum.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: flyveleder on January 23, 2014, 05:03:50 am
It's rather simple; If you don't have an answer for them, don't reply.

/Martin
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: svaleb on January 23, 2014, 07:49:45 am
Well, we asked for something to happen.
And they have given us something, trown a bone to the hungry dogs, and now we say it was the wrong way. It is not easy.
We will have to live with it.
I dont see the great improvement right now, but maybe when I get used to it.
We have to help eachother.
Afterall you have to go back to the old type interface when you want to change anything.
There is a new verifikation system, maybe the safety was a larger problem than we knew.

CE
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Skaven on January 23, 2014, 07:54:58 am
I believe the new id password is using a more standard type like the rest of the world because now I can us my normal password before it wasn't accepted


// Sorry about my spelling I'm dyslexic and so you know all translations is translate by Google translate so don't complain about my English spelling \
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: oTi@ on January 23, 2014, 08:10:29 am
I do think we normally get an official announcement here on the forum, and @micasaverde said they would make an announcement. We haven't seen it. And obviously there has been no beta yet, or any sort of statement from beta testers that UI6 seems good to go.

The fact that what appears to be the deployment system for UI6 is already online and some version of UI6 can be downloaded is interesting, but apparently MCV's choice (on the beta side we have brought up the accessibility of unannounced firmware quite a few times). And so, predictably, the result is what we have here.

I think the bottom line is that the quality of the firmware is unknown, as there has been no announcement from MCV that I'm aware of.

Feedback posted here, may be about things they already know and are working on (and consequently is why there has been no announcement yet).

And there may be issues that are not that obvious. A compatibility issue with a certain device or plug-in, or a layout issue, in the current build is one thing, but problems in the backbone of whatever kind (authentication, security, backups, logs, storage, etc.) another.

We simply don't know.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Z-Waver on January 23, 2014, 08:43:53 am
Blame:

It's your system and you can do whatever you want with it. But, if you're going to install development firmware that no one told you to install, then don't gripe when it doesn't work or it bricks your system.  You have to take responsibility for your actions when you deviate from the official path.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Tank on January 23, 2014, 11:24:52 am
Just to be clear, I knew what I was getting into when I installed this firmware.  I'm willing to be a guinea pig if it helps the community.

I posted issues on here so that the community is aware of them, not as some kind of plea for help.  That's the same reason I opened a ticket with MCV, I don't expect them to drop what they are doing in the middle of a big release to come save me.  I fixed the issues I was having on my own.

The security is much improved in this version, we kind of knew they were putting effort into that already so it's good to see some results. 

I think MCV made a mistake by making this firmware available publicly.  It was not hard to find and their website guides you through the install.  Any user that hasn't read this thread may end up innocently installing the new UI not realizing what they are getting into.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on January 23, 2014, 11:38:45 am
@ Z-Waver +10

Negative news/comments travels orders of magnitude faster than the truth.

Public negative comments on an unreleased product can damage the perception of that product. 

I do not feel that such comments are in the best interests of this community.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Lonestar10 on January 23, 2014, 12:57:51 pm
At CES, a Vera representative offered to send me the link to upgrade to what he called UI6.5.   He admitted that they were still working on compatibility issues with the UI.

I declined his offer for the reasons articulated above.  I don't want to risk breaking my system(s) just to be the first to see and experience the new UI.

Even after the official release, I'm going to wait to see what issues develop here on the forum before taking the plunge.

I agree that writing about problems before an official release is not helpful.  Good luck.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: flyveleder on January 23, 2014, 01:08:01 pm
Talking about blowing things out of proportions ...

You can all do whatever you like. If people want to upgrade now - fine; If they want to post their findings - even better. The more testers, the more bugs can hopefully be removed faster.

Stop the whining. If you like to stay put on UI5 - great.

/Martin
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: chixxi on January 23, 2014, 01:24:50 pm
Of course everybody may do whatever he wants with his system. But there are thousands of vera's out there, and I bet only a very small percentage is reading this forum and therefore aware of the dangers of the update. But by releasing something on such a simple link as "firmware.mios.com" which then asks you to update your vera, there is a huge risk for people which don't know what they are doing and the risks they are dealing with.

And by doing so MCV is putting a huge load of work and anger on the shoulders of the most important members of this community (to which I don't count myself). Cause they will be blamed for non-working plugins and apps.

I don't like what MCV is doing right now! But I must have said this about 1000 times during the last 3-4 years.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: niharmehta on January 23, 2014, 01:30:32 pm
It is nice to see some excitement of the new release. We are all tinkerers here.. However, this thread is currently showing the frustration between the groups that understand the risk and have devoted extraordinary amount of their personal time to enhancing this platform , and those that just want to dive in and play .  The devs on this forum have a lot of work ahead of them with the new code once documented. Hearing problem reports before they can actually do anything to fix is frustrating. Also,  MCV may likely change things before actual release. So any fixes now, may break again.


Maybe the right solution is just creating a completely different thread for users that upgrade early.  The First post should clearly explain that this was pre-release, unannounced, unsupported, not-recommended, and could even brick your system or burn down your house. 
 Negative comments or bug reports are opinion only and do not reflect any MCV released code.  Requests to fix XYZ issue with a plugin will be ignored unless the maintainer decides otherwise.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: flyveleder on January 23, 2014, 04:09:34 pm
I don't understand why the "extraordinary amount of their personal time to enhancing this platform"-guys are so frustrated; They can actually just sit back and relax until "those that just want to dive in and play"-guys have posted enough info. to MCV (VC) on this forum, for them to clear out so many bugs that the new UI is production ready.

No one expects the devs to fix anything on an unreleased product - but I do welcome the people who are ready to use an extraordinary amount of their personal time to test the upcoming system in an early stage, to speed up the process of release.

And no - I don't favor anyone. I have the deepest respect for the devs and what they do - simply great work. But it's a mistake to think that all posts on this forum are questions for the devs. Especially when posted in the "Beta and Pre-release (Public)"-area.

/Martin
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on January 23, 2014, 04:17:39 pm
@flyveleder
If people want to do this to fix their OWN plugins  or automation scenes ... more power to them.

MCV has not solicited the HELP of end user for testing at this time.
And the volunteer HELP could actually slow the overall process down ... while MCV has to respond to assistance by people that get in trouble.



Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: flyveleder on January 23, 2014, 04:23:23 pm
@flyveleder
If people want to do this to fix their OWN plugins  or automation scenes ... more power to them.

MCV has not solicited the HELP of end user for testing at this time.
And the volunteer HELP could actually slow the overall process down ... while MCV has to respond to assistance by people that get in trouble.

Hi Richard,

I hear what you say; However - people getting in trouble because of an early un-released upgrade, can hardly expect assistance from MCV (let alone get it ?). So I don't buy that.

And why not benefit by getting as much information from as many users as possible ?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Z-Waver on January 23, 2014, 05:45:15 pm
And why not benefit by getting as much information from as many users as possible ?
No offense meant, but I don't see any value in the "information" posted so far. It seems to be just noise. Almost everything I have seen on the subject of UI6/7 so far has been rumor, supposition, and conjecture from people who don't actually know anything about it(near everyone including me) or are too clueless and inexperienced to be of any benefit to anyone even after getting their hands on it(not directed at you).

'But, its green and pretty.' 'I think it isn't pretty.' We need pretty.' 'We don't need pretty.' 'I heard from someone-who-should-know's Mom that we're gonna get pretty.' 'Ooh, I wanna see?'
   
or

'I did it.' 'Everything works.' 'Oh, wait, something doesn't look right.' 'Well, it doesn't look right, but it works so I'm OK with it.' 'Wait, it doesn't work.' 'What have I done, make it stop.' 'How do I go back?' 'I did this.' 'Well, I think I did this, maybe it was that.'

I haven't yet read anything you've posted so far that would change my opinion that; installing this as-yet-unreleased firmware is a mistake and launching a potential avalanche of users into making that mistake is certain to be a problem for MCV and these boards and the plugin developers.

Your position is that it helps by giving feedback to MCV that they don't necessarily have to act on immediately. But, others are opening a support cases. Someone at MCV has to triage it, investigate it, hopefully realize that it isn't a request for UI5 and waste time on it, check with management if they should ignore it or not, possibly push it over to development(probably not)... It's not help, it's more noise in the queue along with someone's support request about why Vera doesn't work when the power goes out.

The feedback value comes when MCV hands what they think is ready over to "trusted" or at least limited group of beta testers with instructions on what to do, what to expect, and what to report back. A mass of anonymous voices going on about their individual preferences, asking if it supports their device of interest, and whining that this or that doesn't work for them, is noise. I expect it is only a matter of time before we start seeing angry posts from panicked people who jumped in, hosed their systems and are 'fed up with the lack of support'.

None the less, I am entertained by this thread and look forward to your next post.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: flyveleder on January 23, 2014, 05:49:48 pm
None the less, I am entertained by this thread and look forward to your next post.

A tad childish I would say, but have it your way ;-) ... enjoy this.

/Martin
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: teenmachine on January 23, 2014, 06:34:02 pm
Just sitting at home eating popcorn and watching the unavoidable aftermath of a rushed firmware upgrade - mcv sinking into mass of emails just because someone was eager to come up with something.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: TC1 on January 23, 2014, 06:35:10 pm
Not passing judgement on anyone, just relating professional experience and observation.

I work in e-commerce, we have a top 200 website and sub-properties in the U.S. I'm involved in multiple products/websites/applications. Technology and product development is not a 'hobby' for me.

Z-Waver nailed all the points. Everything he said is true and is what goes on inside a technology product company when unreleased versions reach the wrong hands. It creates noise, whether one believes it or not. This is not some open source product, it's sold commercially. There's a different  mentality that goes on inside the development effort.

From my observations of how MCV release products (or doesn't  ;)  ), they seem to follow a Waterfall methodology, so the upside is in fact they will ignore any users who make statements now. The version is set in stone, so they will only fix show stoppers. The downside to this development methodology is that we only see new product once a year, if we're lucky.

If we get even luckier.... MCV will adopt an Agile approach to their product development, which will mean smaller feature changes, but at a more regular and quicker pace. The Mios Update Utility is an example of that. One can hope :)

Just some thoughts.

-TC
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: macrho on January 23, 2014, 06:41:22 pm
I was a lucky one, I managed to get the download link for 1.6 and my gosh, it's the best upgrade since sliced bread or sliced cheese or more importantly, toilet paper. which i needed. read on...

anyway.. i have one serious caution about upgrading.. have you read about the bed occupancy sensor thread? yeah, me too. it's awesome but with 1.6 there's a slight problem.  i waddled into bed a little while ago and the damn thing continually shocked me. 1.6 kept spamming my phone saying it was an unapproved device. and whack, whack, i'm still seeing stars.. i'm still trying to find that "tp for my.."

so a cautionary tale, don't upgrade too soon - your vera just may bite back




... my failed attempt at humor: but damn, this is a home automation device, why would you install this? listen to all these wise folks above me saying to stay away [and you won't get shocked!]
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Z-Waver on January 23, 2014, 06:54:29 pm
@flyveleder - Childish is me all over. Many of my greatest pleasures come from childish pursuits and notions.  ;D



@macrho - LOL
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: flyveleder on January 23, 2014, 06:56:04 pm
Good for you my boy ;-)
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: mrdent on January 23, 2014, 08:05:27 pm
I, unfortunately, have received a unit with 1.6.xx on it as a brand new user. I can do almost nothing with this unit. Any time I try and head to the "Advanced" section it wants me to login. I assume it is looking for my mios.com login/pass (it does not say)? When I try that info, it just goes off into la la land. I have no way of configuring the basic info (date/time/etc) of the veralite box. I have tried both configuring by logging into mios.com and getvera.com. Both methods find my device. Getvera keeps saying my firmware is incorrect (I'm assuming due to the newer version I have). mios.com finds my device, I tell it to add to my account, then I get my local gui but can not really configure anything do to the "login" issue described above. Am I missing something?

p.s. the hoops to jump through to post something here are kind of ridiculous.

p.p.s not trying to be an *ss, just very frustrated.

Please advise.

Corey

 >:(
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: S-F on January 23, 2014, 10:43:39 pm
This thread is great! Just sitting down to catch up on it and I quickly realized I was in need of some popcorn.

@macrho,

That's rough about the bed biting you! Jesus! (With all due respect to our pious members and the Christ himself) I'll be sure not to install this firmware!

Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: ChrisAZ on January 23, 2014, 11:59:47 pm
Adding to what TC1 wrote:

MCV has made it clear that their primary focus is on the OEM market, and they support us enthusiasts on the side. If they get too many enthusiasts searching the website for unreleased firmware that isn't locked down, installing unreleased firmware and then filing support tickets, and in general always complaining that MCV isn't supporting the enthusiast segment adequately,  it's only a matter of time before MCV management decides to terminate support for this troublesome secondary market that drains resources from supporting their primary market.

We bought a product that does not have a monthly service fee. Once MCV has sold us our units, they don't get incremental revenue from us. Yet they run the servers for remote access and remote backups, provide limited product support, and even give us free updates (just not as often as we want). We can wish they would do things differently - but badmouthing MCV because they have chosen to not focus on the things and customers we want them to focus on isn't productive...and is probably counterproductive. I would prefer the status quo over MCV walking away from the enthusiast market to avoid the headaches.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: 4ward on January 24, 2014, 03:04:39 am
I have got 4 Vera lites.  I did the firmware upgrade and now I can only log into 2 of them.  I get a "Your user is not allowed to control this device"  I could yesterday, but not today.  I can not find any documention on this error.  Can anyone help?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: niharmehta on January 24, 2014, 03:36:11 am
I have got 4 Vera lites.  I did the firmware upgrade and now I can only log into 2 of them.  I get a "Your user is not allowed to control this device"  I could yesterday, but not today.  I can not find any documention on this error.  Can anyone help?


 ;D   .. Now.. that is entertaining.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: cedricm on January 24, 2014, 04:21:53 am
+1 Z-Waver

MCV most probably doesn't need/want unsolicited feedback at this point. I also believe that it's doing more harm than good (and my day job is also about building & shipping software, so I've some idea of what they might be going through).

For sure I also believe that they can improve their communication & processes (leaving users 1 year in the dark is *not* a great idea, esp. in a fast moving industry), but I guess they would like to finish what they are up to without too much distraction ;)
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: intveltr on January 24, 2014, 04:24:04 am
I would prefer the status quo over MCV walking away from the enthusiast market to avoid the headaches.

Quite...  But what you call a troublesome secondary market could also be seen as a hotbed for future development.  A community of tinkerers like this one may be quick to voice frustrations, but in the end they are far more forgiving than "regular" users, especially those who are paying a monthly fee (or OEMs). They provide feedback and can help diagnose and debug, especially valuable in exotic use cases.  Other companies in the business of technical product development might well be jealous of what MCV has here.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Salmoides on January 24, 2014, 07:26:24 am
Understanding that the world is full of stupid people, I tend to take a rather naive approach and assume I'm dealing with smart people until they prove me wrong. I assume that MCV is smart. After all, they're still in business. That being said, to get us where we are there had to have been that meeting:

MCV.Boss: Alright everyone, where do we stand? Is firmware.mios.com ready to be turned on?
MCV.Grunt: Yes, but remember, it's open so we'll get the inevitable flack once they find it.
MCV.Boss: Agreed. We've talked about that. Garrett and Richard are out there for us. And Z-Waver will point out the lighter side of the whole thing. We just follow the plan. Is everyone on the support side ready for the new calls we'll get when get their hands on it?
MCV.Helper: Yeah, we're ready. There will be a few bricks to deal with, but until they fix #5238 in Development, that's not unexpected.
MCV.Boss: OK. Turn it on. Keep your eye on the forum in case they come up with something we haven't seen yet.
MCV.Forum: Got it. I doubt they will, but it will be entertaining.

Sal
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: vladb on January 24, 2014, 07:31:17 am
I, unfortunately, have received a unit with 1.6.xx on it as a brand new user. I can do almost nothing with this unit. Any time I try and head to the "Advanced" section it wants me to login. I assume it is looking for my mios.com login/pass (it does not say)? When I try that info, it just goes off into la la land. I have no way of configuring the basic info (date/time/etc) of the veralite box. I have tried both configuring by logging into mios.com and getvera.com. Both methods find my device. Getvera keeps saying my firmware is incorrect (I'm assuming due to the newer version I have). mios.com finds my device, I tell it to add to my account, then I get my local gui but can not really configure anything do to the "login" issue described above. Am I missing something?

p.s. the hoops to jump through to post something here are kind of ridiculous.

p.p.s not trying to be an *ss, just very frustrated.

Please advise.

Corey

 >:(

Have you tried contacting support?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: ChrisAZ on January 24, 2014, 10:16:09 am
Quote
But what you call a troublesome secondary market could also be seen as a hotbed for future development.

I completely agree. But until MCV sees it that way, attempts to nag MCV into showing us more love are like the annoying boyfriend/girlfriend that keeps saying "I'm the best thing that ever happened to you. You have no idea how lucky you are to have me. I have plenty of other options and if you don't treat me well I'm going to go find someone who will appreciate me."

I think we're doing a lot of things right. The innovation being unleashed by plug-in developers is a visible benefit of the enthusiast segment. As things like PLEG, TTS, and remote control apps continue to refine the Vera experience and allow more people to easily take advantage of the Vera platform, MCV will notice. That is our best chance at getting them to appreciate us and give us more attention.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: chixxi on January 24, 2014, 11:16:58 am
...I think the difference between the users posting here is how long they have been experiencing vera. For people like me who experience the same mess again (search for UI5 posts when it was released), it is honestly hard to believe any more that MCV will ever learn and improve. Different UI, same story...
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: RV on January 24, 2014, 12:59:10 pm
I, unfortunately, have received a unit with 1.6.xx on it as a brand new user. I can do almost nothing with this unit. Any time I try and head to the "Advanced" section it wants me to login. I assume it is looking for my mios.com login/pass (it does not say)? When I try that info, it just goes off into la la land. I have no way of configuring the basic info (date/time/etc) of the veralite box. I have tried both configuring by logging into mios.com and getvera.com. Both methods find my device. Getvera keeps saying my firmware is incorrect (I'm assuming due to the newer version I have). mios.com finds my device, I tell it to add to my account, then I get my local gui but can not really configure anything do to the "login" issue described above. Am I missing something?

p.s. the hoops to jump through to post something here are kind of ridiculous.

p.p.s not trying to be an *ss, just very frustrated.

Please advise.

Corey

 >:(

this may or may not apply to you but....
from http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,22728.0.html
If you have upgraded to UI6 and want to downgrade to UI5 you can get the firmware here: http://download.mios.com/rt3662_betafirmware/rt3662_Luup_ui5-1.5.622-en-mios.squashfs  I have not tested this process myself.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Z-Waver on January 24, 2014, 01:28:19 pm
I, unfortunately, have received a unit with 1.6.xx on it as a brand new user.
Where did you get this unit from?

My recommendation would be to:
Contact Micasaverde. http://getvera.com/support/
Contact the vendor you got the Vera from about an exchange.

If you bought a new unit that does not work, you should not have to revert firmwares and such, the manufacturer should get you going under warranty.

If you bought an unofficial Vera, as I have seen advertised claiming to be a Vera Lite G, then you need to contact the vendor you bought it from.

Edit: Thanks to @teenmachine for pointing out(below) that Vera Lite G is indeed official.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: teenmachine on January 24, 2014, 01:46:26 pm
I think you can downgrade, most probably MCV support will ask you if you want to downgrade or exchange the unit. And Vera lite G? I saw it on their website: http://getvera.com/controllers/veralite-g/

What about a backup?Can you restore a backup? Or you have to start fresh?

Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: micasaverde on January 24, 2014, 02:13:20 pm
I'm sorry that we haven't been more communicative.  There is nothing sinister going on.

UI6 uses an entirely new backend, MMS, which full redundancy, and a lot of new features.  It also supports the ability to sell Vera as part of kits, that come with a set of included devices (light switches, thermostats, etc.).  Our goal was to have UI6 out the door last year.  However, we ran into some issues with the firmware itself, which were fixed in December.  And now we have the issue that there are about 100,000 users live on the current UI5 back-end servers, and, because the UI6 backend is new, we can't be 100% confident that the 8 new UI6 servers we've deployed will be sufficient to handle 100,000 new UI6 users. 

Also, the upgrade from Ui5->UI6 has some challenges.  For example, we never store your passwords in clear text.  If your password is 'abc123', we don't know it.  It's only stored on our servers in a 1-way encrypted format, so that even if our servers got hacked, the hacker couldn't get your passwords.  But UI6 has a new user database, and uses newer, stronger 1-way encryption.  But this means we can't just copy the old Ui5 encrypted password since it's different in UI6, and we can't extract the password either to re-encrypt it in UI6.  So the user will need to create a new password.

Therefore, we didn't want to release the UI6 firmware in the forums to existing Ui5 customers until we confirmed the back-end could handle a sudden surge of new activation, and that the whole migration process was as painless as possible..  However, we do have some Vera's being sold as kits that will ONLY work with the new backend.  Therefore, we're trying to keep the customers with the new kits, which are built around UI6.  This is challenging because, as a company, we try to keep everything very open, so UI6 users can see, for example, what firmware is being used, post it in the forums, then UI5 users will upgrade to UI6, which causes their accounts to be migrated, but they'll still try to login on the old ui5 portal (cp.mios.com) or use the ui5 mobile apps, and run into issues.  Not to mention that a 3rd party luup plugin got circulated which had a bug that flooded the servers, which is why there was an outage last night, and we're trying to quickly put in some extra safeguards so that this doesn't happen to the new UI6 servers.

Bottom line is we care about our customers.  We don't want you guys to be in the dark.  Like any company making a big migration like this, there's a lot of technical challenges and everybody on the team is working 7 days a week to get them resolved as quickly as possible.  We have a support team that monitors the forums and notifies us engineers when there's a 'fire' going on, but sometimes we're so busy working to finish stuff that our teammates are relying on we don't have time to respond right away.  We're sorry for the delays, and for the confusion and problems, but we're hoping to get it sorted out asap so that all the ui5 users can move over to the new ui6 as painlessly as possible.  The forthcoming UI7 uses the same new MMS backend as UI6, so the upgrade from UI6->UI7 should be simple and painless.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: baxy_AU on January 24, 2014, 03:19:26 pm
How bout some kind of change logs so we know if there is any reasons to upgrade...I have a z wave door lock that does not work with the current firmware....support for this would be the only reason I would be in a rush to update( what is the deal with this anyway ? I have had an open support ticket for months with no progress and Vera claims to guarantee support for all z wave devices)
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Tank on January 24, 2014, 04:21:18 pm
Thank you for the update, very informative.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: pacificdune on January 25, 2014, 01:02:54 am
Translation:  No need to upgrade yet and perhaps even wait for UI7...  And for it to be stable.  Which it will.  In due time...

In the mean time I see that RTS has come out with PLEG 5.6, which has some very interesting state variable features.  I would much rather spend my time this weekend playing with that...

I will upgrade when I know it works...  Or even just wait for a new vera and not upgrade.  Not broken why fix?

Cheers!

PD
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: OtisPresley on January 25, 2014, 10:59:14 am
@micasaverde, Thank you for the update.  This information should probably also be a thread in the Company Blog forum.  That forum should be utilized often to keep the existing user base informed about upcoming changes and to blog about upcoming features and products.  As it stands, the last post in that forum was March 2012.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: kelpayne on January 25, 2014, 11:48:10 am
Thanks for the update, and I agree with @OtisPreslsy.  This would also be good information to post to the Facebook page.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 25, 2014, 03:21:42 pm
some post are really funny :D
at some that have trouble login to vera UI6 .. make a new user and attach ur vera to it. in the advanced section there is a option in Setup/Unit Settings : allow only secure acces , set this to on. reboot the vera and turn it off again if you want to login from local lan.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 25, 2014, 03:35:01 pm
I'm sorry that we haven't been more communicative.  There is nothing sinister going on.

UI6 uses an entirely new backend, MMS, which full redundancy, and a lot of new features.  It also supports the ability to sell Vera as part of kits, that come with a set of included devices (light switches, thermostats, etc.).  Our goal was to have UI6 out the door last year.  However, we ran into some issues with the firmware itself, which were fixed in December.  And now we have the issue that there are about 100,000 users live on the current UI5 back-end servers, and, because the UI6 backend is new, we can't be 100% confident that the 8 new UI6 servers we've deployed will be sufficient to handle 100,000 new UI6 users. 

Also, the upgrade from Ui5->UI6 has some challenges.  For example, we never store your passwords in clear text.  If your password is 'abc123', we don't know it.  It's only stored on our servers in a 1-way encrypted format, so that even if our servers got hacked, the hacker couldn't get your passwords.  But UI6 has a new user database, and uses newer, stronger 1-way encryption.  But this means we can't just copy the old Ui5 encrypted password since it's different in UI6, and we can't extract the password either to re-encrypt it in UI6.  So the user will need to create a new password.

Therefore, we didn't want to release the UI6 firmware in the forums to existing Ui5 customers until we confirmed the back-end could handle a sudden surge of new activation, and that the whole migration process was as painless as possible..  However, we do have some Vera's being sold as kits that will ONLY work with the new backend.  Therefore, we're trying to keep the customers with the new kits, which are built around UI6.  This is challenging because, as a company, we try to keep everything very open, so UI6 users can see, for example, what firmware is being used, post it in the forums, then UI5 users will upgrade to UI6, which causes their accounts to be migrated, but they'll still try to login on the old ui5 portal (cp.mios.com) or use the ui5 mobile apps, and run into issues.  Not to mention that a 3rd party luup plugin got circulated which had a bug that flooded the servers, which is why there was an outage last night, and we're trying to quickly put in some extra safeguards so that this doesn't happen to the new UI6 servers.

Bottom line is we care about our customers.  We don't want you guys to be in the dark.  Like any company making a big migration like this, there's a lot of technical challenges and everybody on the team is working 7 days a week to get them resolved as quickly as possible.  We have a support team that monitors the forums and notifies us engineers when there's a 'fire' going on, but sometimes we're so busy working to finish stuff that our teammates are relying on we don't have time to respond right away.  We're sorry for the delays, and for the confusion and problems, but we're hoping to get it sorted out asap so that all the ui5 users can move over to the new ui6 as painlessly as possible.  The forthcoming UI7 uses the same new MMS backend as UI6, so the upgrade from UI6->UI7 should be simple and painless.
thanx MCV for the update. at least we know a very little bit what is going on now. it would be better to post this in the section for company Blog/ official announcements. i had to crawl 2 hours on the forum to find this. perhaps announce the new UI6 as it is allready in the wild ? and when is the forum going to be upgraded to latest SMF ?
and since this problem of confusion exists allready a few years... when do you guys actually going to post that needed information and tell us things so we know what is going on. it would save about a dozen post n topics consisting of wondering what things are all about. it would be so much better for all of us happiness. it would be a good thing if you post in a new company topic what is being done in the background instead of inbetween some topics that are sometimes hard to find. perhaps it is also a good idea to listen to some people on the forum regarding the new UI6 and stuff that could be better before giving out a beta to the public. i see so much potential in the "new era vera" when we start work all together on it. it would also make a lot of customers happy and less people asking for support, so more time for you guys to make it the best product ever. it is the time to close the gap between you (MCV) and us. assign someone from MCV that knows about the system and is able to move information between the community and MCV experts.  So you won't have to scrape the forum for info just like us.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: jeffr on January 26, 2014, 05:40:12 pm
I'm sorry that we haven't been more communicative.  There is nothing sinister going on.

...

However, we do have some Vera's being sold as kits that will ONLY work with the new backend.  Therefore, we're trying to keep the customers with the new kits, which are built around UI6.

...


Finally... I found the answer I was looking for.
I bought a Veralite G (as a small kit with Thermostat and Smart Switch, model #VERA-ENERGY, 299$) from TigerDirect (in Canada) at their store on Friday Jan 24th.
I was first surprised to see this new unit looked different from the Veralite (I did not pay attention at the store that it was a G, I just saw veralite...). The kit and pictures on TigerDirect web site also got me confused since they were not accurate; it shows the Veralite (not G) and the Smart Switch is a different brand that the one included in my kit (the one I got is a Jasco 45653).

When I first powered on the Veralite G, it said it was upgrading the firmware (by itself, not me). It took almost 15-20 minutes, I thought the device firmware update did not work, so I unplugged it, replugged... but then after some time it started working fine.
Later on, next day, once I started to get more familiar with the device, I looked at the firmware version, and saw that it was 1.6.641.

As a new user, because I could not find any official information about the latest firmware 1.6, UI6 and also the Veralite G product itself, it got me very confused. Now I understand a little bit better all the situation.

Overall, the device and new firmware seems to be working ok so far for me, but I have not done anything very advanced yet, the only thing I am going to suggest to you guys (micasaverde) is to make all the info public right now and update all your links since it is now officially in the hands of "normal" users. And post this info in your official forum threads as other suggested also.


P.S. Please make your forum capsha and registration process easier...

jeff
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: ih8gates on January 27, 2014, 11:02:34 am
P.S. Please make your forum capsha and registration process easier...

CAPTCHAs go away after a few posts.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: jeffr on January 27, 2014, 11:39:20 am
CAPTCHAs go away after a few posts.

Thanks, I did not know.

jeffr
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: jumper4000 on January 28, 2014, 03:13:17 pm
So, how do I get UI6?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: zedrally on January 28, 2014, 04:29:01 pm
^^^
Good question although I'm not sure if I want to upgrade yet...

I've logged in through cp.mios.com , but no announcment about an upgrade was forthcoming, so, I"ve decided to sit back, watch and wait.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Vreo on January 28, 2014, 04:40:54 pm
I am very curious and I want to see the UI! But I don't want to make a permanent change until it is official, and mainly because RTS plugins are not working on the firmware and my logic is PLEG dependant. So, the question is, if I updgrade, is there a way to downgrade later just for testing?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: zedrally on January 28, 2014, 04:43:51 pm
I am very curious and I want to see the UI! But I don't want to make a permanent change until it is official, and mainly because RTS plugins are not working on the firmware and my logic is PLEG dependant. So, the question is, if I updgrade, is there a way to downgrade later just for testing?


Exactly in the same boat, if I upgrade I have no HA.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: cw-kid on January 30, 2014, 07:14:13 am
Hi

Interesting thread this one having just read most of it.

What's the deal with the new MMS Vera iOS (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mms-vera/id787203434?mt=8) and Android (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vera.android) apps from Micasaverde? I am still running UI5 on my VeraLite and have no plans to update the UI until UI7 probably, I can't see the point of updating to UI6 if UI7 is to be released some months later. And for a home automation system stability and that it works properly is more important than trying out some new UI.

However I just installed the MMS Vera app on my iPod touch and I cannot login with my mios username and password. All the reviews of the app on the iTunes store say the same thing. I presume this is to do with the new UI6 login / user account requirement?

Thanks.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: oTi@ on January 30, 2014, 07:18:55 am
Yup.

Presumably, only if your Vera uses the new backbone infrastructure (MMS), will it work with the MMS app.

UI5 and before do not use that infrastructure. UI6 and beyond will.

Quote from: iTunes
APPLICATION REQUIRES VERA SMART HOME CONTROLLER RUNNING UI6, OR HIGHER: To download the legacy UI5 iOS application use the following link.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/vera-mobile-app/id514267785?mt=8

UI6 uses an entirely new backend, MMS, which full redundancy, and a lot of new features.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: cw-kid on January 30, 2014, 07:29:23 am
Yup.

Presumably, only if your Vera uses the new backbone infrastructure (MMS), will it work with the MMS app.

UI5 and before do not use that infrastructure. UI6 and beyond will.

Quote from: iTunes
APPLICATION REQUIRES VERA SMART HOME CONTROLLER RUNNING UI6, OR HIGHER: To download the legacy UI5 iOS application use the following link.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/vera-mobile-app/id514267785?mt=8

UI6 uses an entirely new backend, MMS, which full redundancy, and a lot of new features.

OK thanks, I will wait then. Anyway's I'm very happy with AutHomation HD on my Android devices and as there is no iOS version I have been using Vera Mobile on iOS.

Cheers
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: cw-kid on January 30, 2014, 07:35:19 am
One thing I would really like to see being developed is an XBMC add-on for Vera, like the mControl add-on (http://windowsmediacenter.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/home-automation-with-windows-media.html) for Windows MCE. I am using the existing XBMC State / Vera add-on for basic lighting control on movie playback / pause, but would be great if you could control devices in Vera from the XBMC UI / TV screens. Think I'd rather see this than UI6 at the moment.

Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: dalhoj on January 30, 2014, 01:08:35 pm
One thing I would really like to see being developed is an XBMC add-on for Vera, like the mControl add-on (http://windowsmediacenter.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/home-automation-with-windows-media.html) for Windows MCE. I am using the existing XBMC State / Vera add-on for basic lighting control on movie playback / pause, but would be great if you could control devices in Vera from the XBMC UI / TV screens. Think I'd rather see this than UI6 at the moment.

I have downloaded this http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=15327.0 xbmc plugin, where you can control devices, but i cant get scenes to work.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: cw-kid on January 30, 2014, 01:17:51 pm
One thing I would really like to see being developed is an XBMC add-on for Vera, like the mControl add-on (http://windowsmediacenter.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/home-automation-with-windows-media.html) for Windows MCE. I am using the existing XBMC State / Vera add-on for basic lighting control on movie playback / pause, but would be great if you could control devices in Vera from the XBMC UI / TV screens. Think I'd rather see this than UI6 at the moment.

I have downloaded this http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=15327.0 xbmc plugin, where you can control devices, but i cant get scenes to work.

Hi

Thanks, I was aware of that XBMC add-on, think I tried it one time, but its dead and not being developed and has issues as you say.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: cw-kid on January 30, 2014, 06:27:09 pm
I just installed that XBMC add-on again, it seems you cannot run any scenes unless they are marked as active. That issue was raised on Github (https://github.com/gderosa/xbmc-vera/issues/2).

Also on the developers website here (http://dev.vemarsas.it/projects/xbmc-vera/wiki), he has screen shots with device icons showing, I don't get any such icons.

Also on a dimmer lamp I get no up and down slider as in his screen shot, although if you hover the mouse in that same area, you can still slide it up and down even though you can't see it in the UI.

I emailed the dev on the off chance, see if he has any plans to pick this up again? Probably not. Or maybe another dev can continue his work? I would pay money for a working XBMC add-on!

Cheers
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: S-F on January 30, 2014, 08:20:53 pm
I think a lot of people here would pay good money for good plugins. For some reason there is a trend of Vera plugins to be free of cost.... and also limited in functionality. I often encourage developers to charge or at least ask for donations but it doesn't seem to happen.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: wolfgangm on January 31, 2014, 07:45:10 am
My 2 cents on good plugins:

I would pay good money for a plugin which finally allows me to setup some kind of vacation ghost, which doesn't need heaps of code to work properly. Too bad they don't make it a default feature in UI6 or UI7.

Simply choose the device, set time between active and chose intervalls.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 31, 2014, 11:12:51 am
My 2 cents on good plugins:
I would pay good money for a plugin which finally allows me to setup some kind of vacation ghost, which doesn't need heaps of code to work properly. Too bad they don't make it a default feature in UI6 or UI7.
Simply choose the device, set time between active and chose intervalls.
that would be a great add-on, but like MCV is.. they rather put some of what they think is a nice add-on which nobody needs instead. and when you say something about it all of a sudden you get minus Karma out of nowhere.. wonder who decided to put this in, but did not upgrade the forum.. it makes no sense.. ppl will just minus karma coz they don't want to hear the truth or just want to bug you instead of using it what its for.. personally i'm going for the negative karma record and one can just ignore all the positive things i did on this forum xD
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: niharmehta on January 31, 2014, 05:47:10 pm
My 2 cents on good plugins:

I would pay good money for a plugin which finally allows me to setup some kind of vacation ghost, which doesn't need heaps of code to work properly. Too bad they don't make it a default feature in UI6 or UI7.

Simply choose the device, set time between active and chose intervalls.

have you seen the Vacation Ghost plugin?  Still beta, but I have been running it for a while and it mostly works well.
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=12952.0
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: wolfgangm on February 01, 2014, 05:36:47 pm
Looks promising
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Vreo on February 02, 2014, 12:27:51 pm
I am very curious and I want to see the UI! But I don't want to make a permanent change until it is official, and mainly because RTS plugins are not working on the firmware and my logic is PLEG dependant. So, the question is, if I updgrade, is there a way to downgrade later just for testing?


Exactly in the same boat, if I upgrade I have no HA.
I have been reading and I got to the conclussion that it is possible, but I haven't tried, I will try this week... It is just for fun and because I like risks, I want to share with no liability hehe....
I am positive that this 'should' work, the only thing I don't know is the issue about the mios account being updated so maybe you won't be able to login using your previous account, in that case, maybe you would need to create a new one and link it again and update your remote apps to use this new account.

I will post my experience in a few days when I have some time to install UI6, play with it and then go back (or try to)....
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: axbl on February 07, 2014, 03:06:48 am
Thank you. Is it possible to keep my devices (40) ?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: veramate on February 09, 2014, 05:42:21 pm
I've been trying like crazy to find any 3rd party developer information, going so far as trying to sniff the MMS Vera connections (which is a bit hard as it uses SSL).   Does anyone know of any details for the UI6 API - even if it is in beta, anything to have a look at how it works, even just to login, would be a great start.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: garrettwp on February 10, 2014, 12:41:27 am
I've been trying like crazy to find any 3rd party developer information, going so far as trying to sniff the MMS Vera connections (which is a bit hard as it uses SSL).   Does anyone know of any details for the UI6 API - even if it is in beta, anything to have a look at how it works, even just to login, would be a great start.

Documentation is not complete yet for the MMS service and MCV is still making some final tweaks. I assume they will post something soon. The MMS service is more complex and requires that you authenticate to an auth server to receive some data. You then take that data to authenticate to the relay server in which the vera unit is currently tied to and receive a session token. This session token is then used to communicate with the relay server. Both the auth token data and session token data is only good for 24 hours and will require to re-authenticate. This is just a summary of how the new MMS system works. MCV will need to provide the additional bits as I am not allowed to discuss or provide more in-depth details.

- Garrett
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: veramate on February 10, 2014, 05:45:08 am
I see - so you have the super secret access hehe.   Yes I've been trying to get more access from MCV to the changes, but I suppose they're only willing for longer term members like yourself.  Well I'll keep trying - far from ideal for my users to start having problems and not knowing why! :/

Do you know of a non NDA violating way to at least detect whether it's a UI6 username, so an appropriate error can be shown?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: garrettwp on February 10, 2014, 06:34:27 am
All the servers pertaining to the MMS authentication are completely different from UI5. staX.mios.com, and fwdX.mios.com servers will only work with UI5.

- Garrett
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Pestus on February 11, 2014, 01:17:36 am
First off, this thread was as serious as they come for MCV forums.  Yet, despite this, there's no trolls, or impoliteness anywhere, really.  I have to say that I am continually impressed by this community.

Secondly, I am happy to hear what sounds like improvements to network security.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: chixxi on February 13, 2014, 06:10:06 am
My 2 cents on good plugins:

I would pay good money for a plugin which finally allows me to setup some kind of vacation ghost, which doesn't need heaps of code to work properly. Too bad they don't make it a default feature in UI6 or UI7.

Simply choose the device, set time between active and chose intervalls.

How much is "good money". I am sure money can increase the development speed of the existing ghost plugin and even allow individual customization.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: wolfgangm on February 13, 2014, 12:35:40 pm
Please don't get me wrong. See PM. But you could limit the Vacation Ghost to let's say 4 devices in the free version for testing. The paid version needs key to unlock (bound to account) and costs some dollars. I have no idea what it is worth, and how much time you spent coding.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Javelin on February 13, 2014, 11:21:34 pm
I migrated computers after updating to 1.6 now cant access my Vera gets stuck in endless loop of loading please wait after login..

Must be looking for something it's not receiving..

Vera is still working but cant log in.

Anyone else experienced this bug yet?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Brientim on February 14, 2014, 01:59:05 am
There have been a few others that had similar.

I gather you are now using
https://home.getvera.com/users/login

Otherwise if it continues raise a support ticket. 

http://getvera.com/support/

Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Mobilniy on February 14, 2014, 02:20:12 am
I migrated computers after updating to 1.6 now cant access my Vera gets stuck in endless loop of loading please wait after login..

Must be looking for something it's not receiving..

Vera is still working but cant log in.

Anyone else experienced this bug yet?
Same problem. LUA-engine crashes and it depends from a complex scene (lua) or plugin. Reverted back to ui5
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: koburg on February 14, 2014, 06:28:59 am
I Think it is a joke that vera have not yet made Any Real beta release. They promise and promise. But nothing happen.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on February 14, 2014, 11:03:36 am
@Javelin, @Mobilniy

I have seen this and tried to identify the problem. But I fixed it before I could get to the details.
I think it was fixed by going to  home.getvera.com  and connection to my LOCAL system again.
Why I need to relogin to MCV servers again when I am working locally on my LAN is a problem ... and when it happens again ... I hope to find out more details before I report it as a bug.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: smilepak on February 14, 2014, 07:03:41 pm
So

1) Login to home.getvera.com successful
2) click on detect device and it route to my local vera lite
3) Login failed

Basically that is the issue everyone is having right or is just me at the moment?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Javelin on February 14, 2014, 10:14:30 pm
@Javelin, @Mobilniy

I have seen this and tried to identify the problem. But I fixed it before I could get to the details.
I think it was fixed by going to  home.getvera.com  and connection to my LOCAL system again.
Why I need to relogin to MCV servers again when I am working locally on my LAN is a problem ... and when it happens again ... I hope to find out more details before I report it as a bug.

I rebooted vera closed browser and went to getvera.com and working again now. Not sure what exactly fixed it.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Brientim on February 15, 2014, 06:04:05 am

So

1) Login to home.getvera.com successful
2) click on detect device and it route to my local vera lite
3) Login failed

Basically that is the issue everyone is having right or is just me at the moment?
There have been a number of reported incidents with similar.

What I did when I encountered similar was to remove unit from my user account which allowed me to re-add via the get Vera log in process.

Give this a try:

http://veraIP/cgi-bin/cmh/remove_ra.sh
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: papreston on March 02, 2014, 04:46:14 pm
I am very curious and I want to see the UI! But I don't want to make a permanent change until it is official, and mainly because RTS plugins are not working on the firmware and my logic is PLEG dependant. So, the question is, if I updgrade, is there a way to downgrade later just for testing?


Exactly in the same boat, if I upgrade I have no HA.
I have been reading and I got to the conclussion that it is possible, but I haven't tried, I will try this week... It is just for fun and because I like risks, I want to share with no liability hehe....
  • Take not of this 1.5.622 URL in this link http://cp.mios.com/mios_unit.php?PK_AccessPoint=16207&ip=xxx.xxx.xx
  • Goto setup --> backup and do a factory reset (you can not downgrade and preserve settings, I just read it but I can't find the reference, sorry).
  • After the factory reset is complete, go to setup --> firmware and in the custom URL put the one you noted.
  • Once it is done, restore one of your previous backups of version 1.5.622
I am positive that this 'should' work, the only thing I don't know is the issue about the mios account being updated so maybe you won't be able to login using your previous account, in that case, maybe you would need to create a new one and link it again and update your remote apps to use this new account.

I will post my experience in a few days when I have some time to install UI6, play with it and then go back (or try to)....


Did you have any luck getting back to UI5?  Any major issues?

Thanks

Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: mitch.thompson on March 04, 2014, 07:50:12 pm
After updating my Vera Lite to 1.6.641, I've had an issue with being able to save anything in  "Advanced Setting"  (which looks remarkably like UI5). When I click the Save icon,  I get the message:

Save data
This feature is not enabled.  You need to upgrade to the 'Professional Home Automation' option

Has anyone else seen this? Any known fix?

On the whole, I like the new look, though it seems to hide a lot. But, that may be the purpose. Everything works fine (devices, scenes, etc).

Anyway, if there's no fix, guess I'll find my way back to UI5.

Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Sorin on March 05, 2014, 04:57:48 am
Hello Mitch,

Can you please paste this in a new email to support@getvera.com so we can create a case and troubleshoot/solve this ?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Brientim on March 05, 2014, 05:09:59 am
Hello Mitch,

Can you please paste this in a new email to support@getvera.com so we can create a case and troubleshoot/solve this ?
FYI This is a legacy Problem.
Note: link to private beta and not available to all.
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,12591.msg93594.html#msg93594
Normally a restart releases the issue. It generated as a result of a key press whilst Lua is restarting or something similar.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: mitch.thompson on March 05, 2014, 06:19:20 am
Hello Mitch,

Can you please paste this in a new email to support@getvera.com so we can create a case and troubleshoot/solve this ?

Will do, thanks for the response.

Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: mitch.thompson on March 05, 2014, 06:23:05 am
Hello Mitch,

Can you please paste this in a new email to support@getvera.com so we can create a case and troubleshoot/solve this ?
FYI This is a legacy Problem.
Note: link to private beta and not available to all.
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,12591.msg93594.html#msg93594
Normally a restart releases the issue. It generated as a result of a key press whilst Lua is restarting or something similar.

Thanks for the information. Didn't realize it was a legacy issue, and an error condition at that.

So,  are you saying it doesn't need to have a trouble ticket created with support? Just want to make sure...

Thanks.

Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Brientim on March 05, 2014, 07:27:25 am
If the problem is resolved and is not constantly repeating itself, it would not be any benefit to raise the ticket. If the issue is persistently, and repeatable, I would raise the ticket for support to allow MCV to investigate/assist you.

My email was directed at MCV.johnm that this is a known error that has been reported against previous firmware versions and the root cause.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: riochicken on March 06, 2014, 10:47:15 am
Any idea if the Vera2 will be supported by the new UI6 release? Followed the complete topic but didn't see any information about the Vera2, then again when I logon to the firmware upgrade page, it only shows the lite and 3 to detect, so I think I am in bad luck...

Never mind... found it: http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,23270.0.html it will NOT be supported.. :(
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: tomsharp on March 06, 2014, 01:15:15 pm
Thank you for the news.

It turns out that I have a new Vera3 with 1.6.641 firmware, which is beyond this announced 1.6.633 UI6 release. Turns out to be the same release that mitch.thompson has on his VeraLite; however, my Save button seems to be working fine.

I have reported a problem with the help links ("Broken help links in ui6" at http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,23668.msg161616.html#msg161616).


Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: mitch.thompson on March 06, 2014, 08:58:29 pm
Thank you for the news.

It turns out that I have a new Vera3 with 1.6.641 firmware, which is beyond this announced 1.6.633 UI6 release. Turns out to be the same release that mitch.thompson has on his VeraLite; however, my Save button seems to be working fine.

I have reported a problem with the help links ("Broken help links in ui6" at http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,23668.msg161616.html#msg161616).

It got worse; I attempted the downgrade procedure posted elsewhere, but it didn't take. In the meantime, I opened a support ticket. When I tried to enable remote access, it refused.

Reminds me of the good old days of flashing and sometimes bricking Linkages  WRT54G routers... Whee!
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Brientim on March 06, 2014, 09:09:57 pm
There are two methods being discussed.

Directly using:
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,22637.msg152946.html#msg15294

Or

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,22390.msg154794.html#msg154794
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: mitch.thompson on March 06, 2014, 09:17:03 pm
There are two methods being discussed.

Directly using:
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,22637.msg152946.html#msg15294

Or

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,22390.msg154794.html#msg154794

Hi, Brientim. I've tried both, actually.

I cannot claim ignorance. I intentionally clicked the link to upgrade. Although I fully intend to use HA extensively throughout the house, I'm sort of treating this like a hobby, and trying to learn from my mistakes (like I did with the Linksys routers back in the day). Hey, it's still somewhat cheaper than many other hobbies I might have gotten into.

Mitch

Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk

Title: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Brientim on March 06, 2014, 09:21:18 pm
So even  the link below via URL for custom Vera firmware (or words to that effect) failed. That is unusual unless the link was not responding. Bugger

http://download.mios.com/rt3662_betafirmware/rt3662_Luup_ui5-1.5.622-en-mios.squashfs
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: mitch.thompson on March 06, 2014, 09:45:56 pm
So even  the link below via URL for custom Vera firmware (or words to that effect) failed. That is unusual unless the link was not responding. Bugger

http://download.mios.com/rt3662_betafirmware/rt3662_Luup_ui5-1.5.622-en-mios.squashfs

I tried one more time, before turning in for the evening. After 15 minutes, the power light on the unit is blinking about once a second. I'm going to let it sit overnight and see where I stand.

Thanks to everyone for suggestions.

(morning follow-up)  I'm back on 1.5.622, with a clean Vera. Not a big deal, only the light switches and a door lock to re- include.

Fun times.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: mitch.thompson on March 07, 2014, 07:11:10 am
So even  the link below via URL for custom Vera firmware (or words to that effect) failed. That is unusual unless the link was not responding. Bugger

http://download.mios.com/rt3662_betafirmware/rt3662_Luup_ui5-1.5.622-en-mios.squashfs

I'm not sure, I think it may have.

 However, after flashing and rebooting, by Vera was not booting up, but was sitting with the power LED doing a slow blink. I took the chance that the hole near the power button was a reset button and inserted a paper clip. Felt the switch click and held it for about 30 seconds. Removed and reapplied power. When the lights went solid I had a factory default UI5 Vera lite. Logged in, went to backups, saw the list of previous backups (on the micasaverde server?) and reapplied the latest one.

And, I'm back up. Thanks to you and everyone else here for his and clues, directly and indirectly. I'm not so imbedded in my HA yet that it is critical, so this was just a learning experience. At heart, these devices are just imbedded Linux systems, just like the Linksys routers and other imbedded systems I back around on all the time.

And now I have the SSH root password, which makes me even more dangerous ;-)
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: smilepak on March 07, 2014, 09:39:50 pm
Thank you for your understanding.  We will have more details and screenshots very soon.

So does soon mean sometime this quarter or this year?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: koburg on March 08, 2014, 03:34:32 am

Thank you for your understanding.  We will have more details and screenshots very soon.

So does soon mean sometime this quarter or this year?


Yes it is most likely this "year" Maybe 2015 if we are very lucky. I have almost dropped my vera. They are so Way behind In development. I Will switch to smartthings or fibaro.


Allan Koburg Frederiksen
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Dvbit on March 09, 2014, 06:34:55 am
Yes so sad.
I think vera should admit not being able to develop a platform with a very good potential and change strategy.

They have for what I one of the most active community around an automation product.
I think they should try to find a model switching to open source and making the money from the hw and other that , I am honest, I cannot figure out.
Really think they should as poor dev and support will in the end kill the business.
They have a plus a few products have a passionate community. Self built with little or none help from the company. They should leverage this asset as it is quite unique in the home automation landscape.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: garrettwp on March 09, 2014, 08:54:09 am
You have to understand that mcv does not make most of their revenue from Vera. They make it by licensing Mios (what's running under UI5 /UI6) and working with other large scale companies. Think of Vera as their side project. They are now putting more focus (hopefully) in Vera.

- Garrett

Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Brientim on March 09, 2014, 09:34:19 am
Well I disagree the the bagging of MCV. Just because the front end has not changed, doesn't mean they have not continued to support either their product or the community.

In fact they have; especially, continued support to a very dynamic ZWave product market which has constantly grown. Without their work in the background and the constant update to support new products, there would be a lot of people that weren't happy... This is an unusual environment where a product vendor provides wholesale support to what other product vendors design and deliver. You do not get that in any other market... Admittedly they do not always get it right the first time and sometimes not so quickly but they do deliver.

Other product in the HA world do not change their UI every few years or so and the higher end products, you pay an arm and a leg to support new products.. 3rd party drivers for things that they do support cannot be added without great expense if at all. This is how they keep their product locked down and design something as of the day it is released e.g. A UI, list the compatible products, restrict external design and/or changes. If you go beyond that you are on your own.

Yes, the community delivers idea and apps and MCV developed Vera for this. So the bagging when bugs are not fixed are justified but wholesale slagging isn't as far as I believe. Noting none of this could have ever happened without Vera and it's flexible platform.

They have openly admitted what went wrong with the UI6 and are no doubt working hard on UI6+ and UI7 to rectify it and return some focus on Vera's UI design and usability.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: TC1 on March 09, 2014, 09:52:56 am
@Brientim, I will respectfully disagree. In very simple terms: MCV has a very poor concept on product planning. Actions speak louder than words, they continuously miss deadlines that they set... not the user community... they set the deadlines. And they miss them. If you search the forums and social media, one can easily see they keep slipping the release date on UI7 and they act like nothing is wrong or fail to communicate what exactly is going on.

The lack of regular communication is befuddling... what could possibly be the reason? They don't want to give away too much info to the competition? The competition has already moved on. If you look at many of the new startups, they are touting a completely open platform on both the hardware and software side, once they hopefully deliver, MCV's one advantage in the marketplace is now gone. They will become a footnote in the history of the HA industry for failure to timely execute on product plans and releases.

-TC
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: capjay on March 09, 2014, 10:15:56 am
(...) They don't want to give away too much info to the competition? The competition has already moved on. If you look at many of the new startups, they are touting a completely open platform on both the hardware and software side, once they hopefully deliver,  (...)

what competition? I hope you are not counting all the potential vaporware that crowd sourcing sites are promising as competing products with Vera, cause, *if* they ever make it, they will be miles behind. Take for instance SmartThings, they are a step in the right direction, IMO, but they are far behind Vera: less flexibility, limited programmability, over-reliance on the cloud, no web access, Android functionality heavily lacking behind iOS, etc.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: TC1 on March 09, 2014, 10:24:02 am
@capjay - yes, I am referring to the "vaporware" that is out there. But many of these upstarts are founded by a new breed of product development folks that understand Agile methods and getting products to market sooner than later, and incrementally improving them as time goes on. That's suppose to be the whole advantage of open hardware and software.

I don't disagree that until they actually deliver product, my thoughts and words hold no weight. My point is that there are so many of them out there, that at least one of them is bound to get it right and deliver. Once one them delivers an open platform with an API, then MCV finally has competition, which will force them to either finally deliver or wither.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Brientim on March 09, 2014, 10:48:55 am
@Brientim, I will respectfully disagree. In very simple terms: MCV has a very poor concept on product planning. Actions speak louder than words, they continuously miss deadlines that they set... not the user community... they set the deadlines. And they miss them. If you search the forums and social media, one can easily see they keep slipping the release date on UI7 and they act like nothing is wrong or fail to communicate what exactly is going on.

The lack of regular communication is befuddling... what could possibly be the reason? They don't want to give away too much info to the competition? The competition has already moved on. If you look at many of the new startups, they are touting a completely open platform on both the hardware and software side, once they hopefully deliver, MCV's one advantage in the marketplace is now gone. They will become a footnote in the history of the HA industry for failure to timely execute on product plans and releases.

-TC
@TC1, I do not want to start a debate, because opinions are perceptions... However, I do agree that they have missed their own targets but this is so common in the world and it is normal that when this occurs thing tend to go quite. This is not just MCV though this is standard practice to promote the good and brush over the not so good.

The point about is the start ups touting a completely open platform, I have not seen or heard of one delivering on time or too the level in which they promised. Noting the fact that their R&D risk was shifted to the consumer before they even delivered anything other than a concept. That is a very good business plan. But is it doesn't provide longevity and ensure they are not just a flash in the pan.  Of course if they did deliver, get a stable market, could cover the ongoing operating cost of support, gain a community of good developers and users, provide real time support and longevity, that would be good for the market.

Fibaro did this originally using MCV platforms originally and have branched out to be a very good provider of products but their updates to their UI are also not updated frequently... They have been very focused on their hardware market which has grown overtime. They were some 12 months later than they originally stated of delivering to some markets. However, I also see that they are now in a constantly beta release cycle currently as well. They still do not support they same level of 3rd party products that is found here which is a constant complaint about their products and if you read some of the feedback their consume received, you probably would not be impressed.

I concur that criticism is justified under certain circumstances but the wholesale is not in my opinion. 

By the way, I missed the mark last week on a software release due to it not passing testing, I still haven't communicated this to my stakeholders fully or the reasons why... Why because I am too busy trying to get it back on track, dealing with a vendor and trying determine the next testing and release cycle. Bugger, I am guilty too...

Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: TC1 on March 09, 2014, 11:02:45 am
Quote
@TC1, I do not want to start a debate, because opinions are perceptions...

Agree wholeheartedly, and I respect your opinion and the ones of others here.

And I guess perception is key. I've been in the technology business for over 3 decades, and where I come from (NYC metro area), whomever is running MCV product development would have been fired a long time ago, if management actually cared about perceptions in the marketplace. If one keeps missing deadlines then it's their responsibility to explain to management why. If it's a resource issue, then ask for more resources. Management doesn't want to give you more resources? Then we have an even larger issue of company management that just doesn't care about maintaining their lead in their marketplace.

In the end, I hope I'm wrong. It's not about me being right and other's opinions being wrong. It's about having a great product and happy customers.

-TC
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Brientim on March 09, 2014, 11:10:40 am
One of the key issues is we only see the Vera side and not their commercial OEM release or support. That is their core business and money spinner and they may be hitting the mark there but the compromise as MCV has stated has been fixes and releases to Vera.

Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: TC1 on March 09, 2014, 11:20:57 am
One of the key issues is we only see the Vera side and not their commercial OEM release or support. That is their core business and money spinner and they may be hitting the mark there but the compromise as MCV has stated has been fixes and releases to Vera.

If that is true, then everyone here has bought the wrong product, where the retail consumer is considered secondary.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Dvbit on March 09, 2014, 07:27:07 pm
Did not want to start a debate too.
If you want mine was more a cry of sorrow...
I see a platform that could take really the lead if it could use someway the strength of his community.
Around micasaverde are people that really love the product at the point that they even accept to have to rebuild the whole config because the vera decides to lockup .
But nevertheless they patiently restart because they think vera is flexible and can do things other boxes still cannot.
So I think that Mcv could use it's community to get to the next level.
Find a license that allows collaboration and preserves your rights and profits.
In a win win solution.

Currently what is holding me from migrating to another platform is the community and,partially the price, but if the price gets just a little lower (see some lite boxes coming out) and the community starts to get up around other platforms I would.
And I really feel this would be a miss for Mcv because...they where there first.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: AndreasE on March 10, 2014, 02:04:52 am
So does soon mean sometime this quarter or this year?

MCV told me 2nd quarter some week ago. Note that we were told 1st quarter at first.



Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: TC1 on March 10, 2014, 10:22:33 am
So does soon mean sometime this quarter or this year?

MCV told me 2nd quarter some week ago. Note that we were told 1st quarter at first.

Yup, they keep slipping the date.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: smilepak on March 12, 2014, 01:28:49 am
Agree with them missing dates

Agree with poor communication

Agree with benefit of agile development style and rapid development strategy.

Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: svaleb on March 12, 2014, 04:34:27 am
An other delay will make me concider Fibaro.
They have promised "end of 1st quarter".
And again the missing communication is the worst.
I went into ui6 with open eyes, confident that things would be fixed within weeks.
There is still not an official beta.
No updates are being added in spite of obvios faults.
CE
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: capjay on March 12, 2014, 08:00:33 am
An other delay will make me concider Fibaro.

to be fair, Fibaro has a black record in missing deadlines. They have been talking about US availability for as long as I remember, yet, their entry into the US market is really slow and very shy  :-\
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: garrettwp on March 12, 2014, 08:28:55 am
An other delay will make me concider Fibaro.
They have promised "end of 1st quarter".
And again the missing communication is the worst.
I went into ui6 with open eyes, confident that things would be fixed within weeks.
There is still not an official beta.
No updates are being added in spite of obvios faults.
CE

There focus is on UI7. UI6 was released to integrate the new MMS authentication and for some OEM deals. I highly suggest that you wait for UI7 as it will be a full implementation where as UI6 is a hybrid of UI5 and what is to come for UI7.

- Garrett
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: svaleb on March 13, 2014, 07:36:39 am
@Garret
For now i am on ui6, I am not impressed. I hope the OEM costumers are but I dont think so.
I could go back to ui5, and rebuild my system.
I could wait for ui7 for month ... or more.
There is no date for it and if there were it could not be trusted.
Ui6 has not even become a beta yet and now you say that they are not working on it anymore, they are working on ui7.
So I can chose between pest or colera while waiting for official anouncments that cant be trusted.
I will keep my vera, I would even bay  new one if it is better than the old. I am stuck with a car with one wehl and the motor is not running.
"dont put in tickets it may delay there work" yes ok, how about the tickets I had in with ui5 are they to be fixed ?
Communication would also help alot but it (still) does not eksist.
Regards
            CE
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: koburg on March 13, 2014, 12:04:11 pm

@Garret
For now i am on ui6, I am not impressed. I hope the OEM costumers are but I dont think so.
I could go back to ui5, and rebuild my system.
I could wait for ui7 for month ... or more.
There is no date for it and if there were it could not be trusted.
Ui6 has not even become a beta yet and now you say that they are not working on it anymore, they are working on ui7.
So I can chose between pest or colera while waiting for official anouncments that cant be trusted.
I will keep my vera, I would even bay  new one if it is better than the old. I am stuck with a car with one wehl and the motor is not running.
"dont put in tickets it may delay there work" yes ok, how about the tickets I had in with ui5 are they to be fixed ?
Communication would also help alot but it (still) does not eksist.
Regards
            CE

+1

Just my words
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Rbcarnevale on March 13, 2014, 04:55:13 pm
@Garret
For now i am on ui6, I am not impressed. I hope the OEM costumers are but I dont think so.
I could go back to ui5, and rebuild my system.
I could wait for ui7 for month ... or more.
There is no date for it and if there were it could not be trusted.
Ui6 has not even become a beta yet and now you say that they are not working on it anymore, they are working on ui7.
So I can chose between pest or colera while waiting for official anouncments that cant be trusted.
I will keep my vera, I would even bay  new one if it is better than the old. I am stuck with a car with one wehl and the motor is not running.
"dont put in tickets it may delay there work" yes ok, how about the tickets I had in with ui5 are they to be fixed ?
Communication would also help alot but it (still) does not eksist.
Regards
            CE

+2

I can't belive in this.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: smilepak on March 13, 2014, 08:57:25 pm
I guess I am going to nexia until Vera gets their act together and release something worth while
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: frankinmilpitas on March 13, 2014, 10:38:51 pm
It looks like my Vera Lite is all but bricked after installing UI6 1.6.641. I had looked at the GetVera web page in a few months and saw that a new release was available so I downloaded it, should have read the forums first.

After upgrading the UI was not available, it displayed a busy message so I tried powering it off and on. Now it's all but dead. It get a lease from my router and I can ping it but that's it. Pressed the reset button nothing.

I can't figure out how to downgrade it when I can connect via web page or telnet. I submitted a support request.

Any suggestions?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: tomsharp on March 14, 2014, 12:15:21 am
A busy message is not quite the same as "bricked." For me, too, the default UI often hangs, in that the "Loading Please Wait ..." message doesn't go away. But I have found two workarounds:
Try again, and good luck. However, I have a new Vera3 that came with UI6, so my experience might not apply to your situation.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: frankinmilpitas on March 14, 2014, 09:20:24 am
Before I power cycled the Vera Lite I found the advanced menus, but now I can't get to anything. The Vera's operating system must be working at some level because it's acquiring an IP address via DHCP and it's responding to a ping.

I know who to telnet to the Vera but that's not responding. It was not set to support mode when it jammed up. If I could find a way to telnet to a unresponsive Vera I could get it working.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: tomsharp on March 15, 2014, 07:11:18 pm
On a Macintosh, you can connnect to your Vera using SSH in the terminal window with minimal effort:
General instructions are here: http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Luup_Somfy_Walkthrough#Step_1:_SSH_into_Vera (http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Luup_Somfy_Walkthrough#Step_1:_SSH_into_Vera) and here http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Luup_Debugging (http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Luup_Debugging).
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: frankinmilpitas on March 19, 2014, 09:17:39 am
With the help of Vera support I have resolved my bricked problem.

They provided two useful links and using "logmein" to remotely control my laptop the ran Eraseall to clear my Vera, but that did not fix the problem.

Confirm network & basic Vera connection
This procedure helped to confirm the Vera was not completely dead. http://docs5.mios.com/doc.php?page=network_troubleshooting

Eraseall will wipe the Vera
Vera support did this to restore Vera lite, it did not fix my problem but give it may work for your problem.
1. Connect your computer directly into the LAN port on the Vera lite unit
2. Plug the power adapter in Vera and when the blue light starts blinking, press and release the reset button
3. Put a static IP on your computer (192.168.1.2) and the gateway 192.168.1.1
4. Open a command prompt and telnet into the unit: telnet 192.168.1.1 (or use PuTTY from putty.org to connect its easier)
Run these commands:
flash_eraseall -j /dev/mtd7
sync
echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger
Note: If you cannot telnet to the unit you will need to install the telnet client. Windows 7 : From Control Panel > Programs and Features > Turn Windows Feature On or Off >and check the Telnet Client box to install it .
Now the Vera unit should reboot and you should see it booting up. It might take a couple of seconds, first the LED should be solid red, then green, red and after that it should boot up
6. Change your IP address back on automatically or 192.168.81.2 and gateway 192.168.81.1
7. Check that the Dashboard loads on 192.168.81.1 after all the LEDs are on and solid

Reload current UI6 software
This procedure is restores the current version of UI6: http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Firmware_Flash_VeraLite you need to have a PC running Windows XP or you need a Win7 PC with XP Mode installed and running. Search Microsoft.com for "Windows XP Mode in Windows 7" for a procedure on how to install and use XP mode.
For the Vera Lite you need the Orange "Ready" LED flashing or the "Vera Lite Firmware Recovery Tool" will fail to find the Vera Lite.

This is how to revert to the stable UI5:
Note: The downgrade will require to restore a backup. If the option ?Backup my configuration on server? from the ?SETUP? → ?Backup? was checked on UI5 you should have a saved backup.
In order to downgrade to UI5 please follow the steps:
- access the UI5 interface by clicking on the ?Advanced settings? button on the bottom of the page
- from your dashboard, go to ?SETUP? → "Firmware?
- copy this link: http://download.mios.com/rt3662_betafirmware/rt3662_Luup_ui5-1.5.622-en-mios.squashfs and paste it in the text box ?Advanced: URL for Vera custom firmware?.
- then press the ?download? button and choose to keep the settings;
- after you click on ?start? you should wait more than 20 minutes until the upgrade is done.
- after the unit restarts please go to ?SETUP? → ?Backup? and select a backup from the right of the screen.
- click on the ?Browse?? button and select the file that you?ve saved on your computer on the previous step.
- check the ?Restore Z-Wave network? box and click on ?Restore?

After this my Vera Lite back to UI5 but needed a backup to recover all my apps, scenes, triggers, etc... it took a lot of fiddling around to get things going, my biggest issue was which blinking LED I needed flashing.

Now it working fine.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: svaleb on March 20, 2014, 07:41:06 am
Have you seen this one.

http://marketplace.mios.com/

If you press the ui6 it says:
"Success
This is work in progress, we'll launch UI6 marketplace by the end of March 2014."

Do you think they will keep it ?
Do you think ui6 or 7 will be rady by that time ?
CE
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: TC1 on March 20, 2014, 10:01:33 am
Have you seen this one.

http://marketplace.mios.com/

If you press the ui6 it says:
"Success
This is work in progress, we'll launch UI6 marketplace by the end of March 2014."

Do you think they will keep it ?
Do you think ui6 or 7 will be rady by that time ?
CE

Thanks, I needed a good laugh today :)
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: svaleb on March 20, 2014, 12:07:17 pm
@TC1
I thought so !
Not mutch else to do.
CE
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: koburg on March 20, 2014, 12:14:31 pm

Have you seen this one.

http://marketplace.mios.com/

If you press the ui6 it says:
"Success
This is work in progress, we'll launch UI6 marketplace by the end of March 2014."

Do you think they will keep it ?
Do you think ui6 or 7 will be rady by that time ?
CE


Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha LOL ha ha ha LOL.

They Will not be ready Any time soon. No Way.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Skaven on March 27, 2014, 03:34:24 pm
Only if it rains pigs and pink elephant can program LUA then maybe


// Sorry about my spelling I'm dyslexic and so you know all translations is translate by Google translate so don't complain about my English spelling \
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: smilepak on March 30, 2014, 03:50:00 pm
Have you seen this one.

http://marketplace.mios.com/

If you press the ui6 it says:
"Success
This is work in progress, we'll launch UI6 marketplace by the end of March 2014."

Do you think they will keep it ?
Do you think ui6 or 7 will be rady by that time ?
CE

March will end in a day....it is a race to the finish line...will they make it? muaha
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: migi on April 07, 2014, 04:54:11 pm
Hi,

Dunno if it's right forum but I just upgraded to the new UI and found two pretty not-user-friendly issues:
  - Fibaro window covering buttons up/down/stop does not work at all (only the Open/Close does)
  - Danfoss thermostat does not show temperature (green round circle instead) and it's not possible to control temperature

"My presets" page requires serious rework. It is simpler but almost unusable (for example it's not possible to close shutters)
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: AndreasE on April 11, 2014, 04:49:40 am
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha LOL ha ha ha LOL.

They Will not be ready Any time soon. No Way.

According to their Facebook,

https://www.facebook.com/veracontrol/posts/693853213987008?comment_id=6444852&offset=0&total_comments=4 (https://www.facebook.com/veracontrol/posts/693853213987008?comment_id=6444852&offset=0&total_comments=4),

they claim that

Quote
We're committed to releasing UI7 in the second quarter, which means by June 30, but we're working hard to beat that commitment.

I find it quite alarming that they haven't released a working UI for over a year.
 
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: TC1 on April 11, 2014, 09:41:18 am
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha LOL ha ha ha LOL.

They Will not be ready Any time soon. No Way.

According to their Facebook,

https://www.facebook.com/veracontrol/posts/693853213987008?comment_id=6444852&offset=0&total_comments=4 (https://www.facebook.com/veracontrol/posts/693853213987008?comment_id=6444852&offset=0&total_comments=4),

they claim that

Quote
We're committed to releasing UI7 in the second quarter, which means by June 30, but we're working hard to beat that commitment.

I find it quite alarming that they haven't released a working UI for over a year.

The statement previous on their FB page was 1st half of Q2, which is by May 15th. They keep slipping the date hoping no one will notice.
If the company died, they wouldn't even be able to commit to show up on time for their own funeral.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: svaleb on April 14, 2014, 06:23:22 am
Have you seen this one.

http://marketplace.mios.com/

If you press the ui6 it says:
"Success
This is work in progress, we'll launch UI6 marketplace by the end of March 2014."

Do you think they will keep it ?
Do you think ui6 or 7 will be rady by that time ?
CE

The text has now been changed :
"Success.
This is work in progress, we'll launch UI6 marketplace in nearby future."

Hmm
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: AndreasE on April 21, 2014, 12:04:04 pm
Vera Control is now gathering beta testers for UI7:

http://getvera.com/beta/

Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Aaron on April 21, 2014, 02:36:50 pm
I hope they are only allowing people to participate if they don't have any sharp objects or guns their home. Otherwise we may have a rash of  carnage.

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Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: tomgru on April 21, 2014, 08:19:23 pm
Hey.. it's progress.  and the more beta testers they have, assuming a robust test program, the better the product will be in the end.  It all comes down to who is willing to risk their production environment, and the possible WAF issues  ::)
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: TC1 on April 21, 2014, 09:35:27 pm
^^^^ Uh huh  ;)
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: betabob on April 22, 2014, 11:55:54 am
Yikes! Looks like I've been accepted to the UI7 Beta.

I use Smartthings for WAF and Vera to frustrate me :)

Wish me luck, seems like all the UI6 people are running a beta anyway...



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Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Trotsky40 on April 22, 2014, 12:14:20 pm
Yikes! Looks like I've been accepted to the UI7 Beta.

I use Smartthings for WAF and Vera to frustrate me :)

Wish me luck, seems like all the UI6 people are running a beta anyway...



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I do the same thing. I have Smartthings running all of the "important things" and keep Vera running in the hopes that it will live up to its potential. I am in the UI7 beta as well so I am crossing my fingers  :D
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Da_JoJo on April 22, 2014, 12:26:16 pm
it allways has been beta lol
im in the UI7 beta too but i doubt scripts will work as they do in UI5. specially those scripts that use javascript in a separate file aren't working without alteration.
end of this week we will know more if the UI7 supports old UI5 scripts
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: garrettwp on April 22, 2014, 01:38:14 pm
If it does not work in UI6 it will most likely not work in UI7.

- Garrett

Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: SOlivas on April 23, 2014, 11:47:03 pm
Hmmm..


We have filled the all the available openings for the first stage of the Vera UI7 Beta Program. Please check back at a later date for additional openings.


Interesting. 

So I have to ask -- how many people have had their Veras bricked by the UI7 Beta, or at least stuff not acting right?
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: Javelin on April 24, 2014, 01:17:39 am
No one has a copy yet so zero, don't know why people are so pessimistic about UI7 the email I received was very optimistic and acknowledged the good community they have. Thoroughly warned the people that the software will contain bugs and not to install if they are worried about their primary controller or expect support. Looks like a step in the right direction.
Title: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: koburg on April 24, 2014, 04:56:42 am
Sorry double post
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: koburg on April 24, 2014, 04:58:20 am

No one has a copy yet so zero, don't know why people are so pessimistic about UI7 the email I received was very optimistic and acknowledged the good community they have. Thoroughly warned the people that the software will contain bugs and not to install if they are worried about their primary controller or expect support. Looks like a step in the right direction.

Same here Im optimistic about ui7.
Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: j.hoekstra on April 24, 2014, 07:48:18 am
Curious as well, first beta with Vera.
I liked the new interface of ui6, if they completely implemented it we're up2date interface wise.
If they improved the backend as well, it brings the vera to a wider audience, meaning I could hand it to my dad and he could work with it.

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Title: Re: The upcoming UI6 (1.6.x) release
Post by: SOlivas on April 24, 2014, 09:50:44 am
I'm more cautious than pessimistic of the new UI.

I really hope it fixes a lot of more annoying problems that are in UI5 and is stable.