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Beta and Pre-Release (Public) => UI6 Discussion => Topic started by: Da_JoJo on January 20, 2014, 11:43:41 am

Title: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 20, 2014, 11:43:41 am
Found today under the link http://cp.mios.com/firmware (http://cp.mios.com/firmware)  a new design and a page saying that my vera 3 lite got upgraded, which it did not btw. I could make a new username and then i got this page : https://home.getvera.com/dashboard/display (https://home.getvera.com/dashboard/display)
So does this mean the new beta is available for test ? the normal firmware upgrade page in UI5 isn't showing anything and the firmware upgrade page goes to getvera.com not able to connect to unit.
http://cpui5.mios.com/firmware (http://cpui5.mios.com/firmware) however goes to the normal firmware upgrade page.

edit:
specially for our beloved member garrettwp i changed the title to state that this is not an official MCV announcement. i also took away the vera 2 coz it is not clear if this is also supported or not.
mind that you will however get MCV support for this new firmware as they are nice guys and willing to help you out when in trouble. (bear in mind that sometimes the're too busy with bugfixing and other things, so it could take a while sometimes)
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: Lonestar10 on January 20, 2014, 12:36:19 pm
I was told at CES that when UI7 is released, we would have a new URL to access Vera.  You may have stumbled into the early stages of the transition.

Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 20, 2014, 12:38:53 pm
mm i would think this is UI6 new remote interface.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: Sender on January 20, 2014, 12:53:08 pm
Yes in anther post this was mentioned as the ui6 interface
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: Sender on January 20, 2014, 04:13:47 pm
Something is upcoming...

when going to  http://cp.mios.com/firmware sends you to a page saying "your vera is upgrading". Then it forwards you to home.vera.com and let's you register...

you will receive an email validation code shortly after.... but there is nothing to be displayed then...

(this means you will need to make a new account... because the password policy is very strict.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: flyveleder on January 20, 2014, 04:20:12 pm
OMG ... UI6 1.6.633 ... the EVIL version  ;D
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 20, 2014, 10:31:03 pm
OMG ... UI6 1.6.633 ... the EVIL version  ;D
lol , now that u mention it ;D
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: Cor on January 21, 2014, 08:19:49 am
Hmm,   just want to make sure.

When version 1.6.xxx  is deployed , it will not automatically update my veras ? I will have to allow the devices to update?

I just don't want to be the guinipig , and find out that for example my heating system has shutdown ( with -20 degrees celcius   >:( ) since the the new version won't handle some PLEG , LUUP or plugins.

If the update comes automatically , is there somewhere a setting I can override this and stay with the "old" firmware?

For me, I don't see any reason to upgrade ( for the moment) untill I know for sure all will be working fine.

Thanks,
Cor
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: Brientim on January 21, 2014, 09:02:47 am

Hmm,   just want to make sure.

When version 1.6.xxx  is deployed , it will not automatically update my veras ? I will have to allow the devices to update?

I just don't want to be the guinipig , and find out that for example my heating system has shutdown ( with -20 degrees celcius   >:( ) since the the new version won't handle some PLEG , LUUP or plugins.

If the update comes automatically , is there somewhere a setting I can override this and stay with the "old" firmware?

For me, I don't see any reason to upgrade ( for the moment) untill I know for sure all will be working fine.

Thanks,
Cor
Cor,

It will not automatically deploy a firmware update. You will need to deploy it at a time suitable to you.

Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 21, 2014, 12:13:25 pm
from what i recall it will tell you upon login to the vera that there is a firmware upgrade and if you wish to apply it. it should be compatible with all UI5 plugins except the camera ones.

did anyone find out yet where to put the mail confirmation code ? it seems it should go somewhere in the UI6 interface i presume ?
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: alienz on January 21, 2014, 02:11:16 pm
i logged into the link with my normal cp password and then it redirected me back to my vera. (UI 5, veralite)
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: Brientim on January 21, 2014, 03:22:06 pm

from what i recall it will tell you upon login to the vera that there is a firmware upgrade and if you wish to apply it. it should be compatible with all UI5 plugins except the camera ones.

did anyone find out yet where to put the mail confirmation code ? it seems it should go somewhere in the UI6 interface i presume ?
All will be known once they release the firmware update... The "mail confirmation code" is the password for the new security access.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 22, 2014, 07:00:44 am
i logged into the link with my normal cp password and then it redirected me back to my vera. (UI 5, veralite)
u can't, page is saying: Your unit is upgrading to the latest version. Please create an account.
cpui5.mios.com is directing to the UI5 vera.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 22, 2014, 07:04:39 am
All will be known once they release the firmware update... The "mail confirmation code" is the password for the new security access.
yes i know. but where to put it :-)  i didnt install ui6 yet, but some here did.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: j.hoekstra on January 22, 2014, 02:24:16 pm
Hmmm, after registering I got this after searching the vera again:

http://tweakers.net/ext/f/9dGXSq4qoiFbSp9SCyMijau9/full.png

Should I?
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: Sender on January 22, 2014, 02:25:36 pm
Yes and let us know!
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: Brientim on January 22, 2014, 02:31:13 pm

All will be known once they release the firmware update... The "mail confirmation code" is the password for the new security access.
yes i know. but where to put it :-)  i didnt install ui6 yet, but some here did.
It is used as the password for local login and the maybe new fwd server authentication once it is all up and running.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: Sender on January 22, 2014, 02:32:18 pm
Goto firmware.getvera.com and enjoy... and let us all know!!!
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: j.hoekstra on January 22, 2014, 02:46:55 pm
And done.
I already clicked.
Looks nice, even though a bit slow, but that's probably because of new start.
I had to go through some sort of initial setup again, but al devices still there...
now out and about explore a bit
And got update to 1.6.641......

Funny thing is, after clicking on advanced settings, I get the old look back. At the bottom I can revert to new look.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: smilepak on January 22, 2014, 06:06:40 pm
All will be known once they release the firmware update... The "mail confirmation code" is the password for the new security access.
yes i know. but where to put it :-)  i didnt install ui6 yet, but some here did.

Yea, what he said.. :D
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 22, 2014, 06:45:45 pm
ok now folks... when you get to the login page after making a new account and login on https://cp.mios.com/firmware (https://cp.mios.com/firmware)  you can now click a link to find ur vera  and it will upgrade to the new firmware when selecting ur unit. looks nice but not that much new indeed. like j.hoekstra says it goes to old UI look when going advanced.
edit: takes approx. 10 minutes to finish
edit2 :

errors found so far :

- degrees celcius is in fahrenheit numbers after selecting C in setup wizard  >> can be set in advanced settings>setup>location
- Energy > energy profile not communicating with eemanager server
- User Profile > SMS confirmation code gives "Code" in sended SMS
- My Systems > Settings > Device Information :Application Version: 1.6.641 (probably right and not an error)
- My Systems > Setup Wizard available when allready gone through it
- UI alignment not correct
- UI plugin text not correct placed for some plugins . virtual switch for example.
- History > cannot delete multiple items at once
- Scene settings > no visible delay time in the list of actions, only in edit command in scene.
- advanced view>contact info>mobile  >  other mobile provider that was selected in view
- danfoss thermostate working but shows undefined in device tile and unneccessary buttons. see koburgs post below
- stellaZ thermostate has also a lot of unusable buttons and cannot set proper temp unless one is in advanced mode and there it has cold&hot tempsettings. still works ok when not touched.
- 3rd party apps that require remote login doesn't work. need to change the url to vera-ip/3480/ or vera.com
- vera-alerts doesn't seem to work.
- PLEG doesn't work 100%
- DLNA controller missing input in interface

good things :

faster responding z-wave
UI looks nice and more beginner friendly
everything seems to work
authomation HD still works only not from remote.
so far plugins seem to work ok, some don't but probably will get fixed.

bad things :

totally not new-user/noob friendly
counterintuitive interface
to get to device-settings you would need a tomtom to find the place
some additions like home/away/vacation don't make sense, got no changeable names and can be done in scenes
some plugins like virtual switch not displayed correctly
not communicated with 3rd party developers/testers , so one has to guess how to remote login
2 different logins needed to get into your vera unit
new UI not auto-scaling to windowsize (is it so hard to do ??)
no announcement to users on forum that old cp.mios.com/firmware is going to new beta UI
new android app in store , look for : MMS Vera  (who would've guessed ?)
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 22, 2014, 06:53:16 pm
Hmm,   just want to make sure.
When version 1.6.xxx  is deployed , it will not automatically update my veras ? I will have to allow the devices to update?
I just don't want to be the guinipig , and find out that for example my heating system has shutdown ( with -20 degrees celcius   >:( ) since the the new version won't handle some PLEG , LUUP or plugins.
If the update comes automatically , is there somewhere a setting I can override this and stay with the "old" firmware?
For me, I don't see any reason to upgrade ( for the moment) untill I know for sure all will be working fine.
Thanks,
Cor
you have to press the link to confirm upgrade so ur save :)
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 22, 2014, 07:09:54 pm
max filesize reached... ::)
advanced view and sceneview
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 22, 2014, 07:24:20 pm
All will be known once they release the firmware update... The "mail confirmation code" is the password for the new security access.
yes i know. but where to put it :-)  i didnt install ui6 yet, but some here did.
Yea, what he said.. :D
Jeej :D  i found it.. its in UI6 in user profile. press enter after paste the code then press confirm ;p
they want ur name address and such too now
phone code isn't working.. just got a sms with : "Code"  in it. tried that but didnt work lol
edit: its not the new security access its mail confirmation code. new login/acces is asked to make when you go to the firmware link.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.633
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 22, 2014, 08:08:35 pm
3G+Location
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: koburg on January 23, 2014, 12:30:06 am
New Firmware BUGS:

1. Danish mobile phone numbers is only 8 digit not 9 as it keep asking when setup notifications.
2. can not save profile data

3. Device bug I have some danfoss termostat and they only need the set point  temperature and NOT that old "ON/OFF" see attached photos.

icon change please make it possible to change icons for devices.

the new ui looks more nice indeed.

About the new ios app.
1.  sometime when touching the different tabs the app just hang for seconds. and it slows the whole iphone down
     when exit the app to home screen it look like slow motion. (iphone 5S).

2. climate device danfoss thermostat not showing accurate temp only show 0 degress. (see photo)

-allan
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: garrettwp on January 23, 2014, 12:56:55 am
Please change the title of this post. This is not a public version of the firmware. Until MCV announces the firmware, there is no public beta of the new firmware and you are on your own if you decide to upgrade. You will NOT receive any support from the Community or MCV!

- Garrett
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: Javelin on January 23, 2014, 01:26:19 am
Well I went ahead and installed before seeing that it was not official just yet. O well.

All my plugins appear to be working well. Which is a big + for MCV for not destroying backwards compatibility, they should be commended .

XBMCstate
WOLping
Weatherplugin
Yamahaplugin 2.0
Squeezebox

Fixed issues for me with sms and email notification which never verified on UI5, the whole UI was what I expected a step forward with design looks a lot cleaner and more organised. I like the History Tab as well to see what has been happening around the house. Also the new scene creation is GOOD however fairly basic, should be expanded upon down the track. Also noted my Zwave network from a basic test feels more responsive.

Only bug encountered so far is remote access from AuthomationHD and I'm expecting other remote control apps is broken atm and not implemented yet. As I understand they changed the way a user logs in and developers will need to re-write their code.

EDIT: MMS Vera app works but is very slow and buggy. Takes open and closing a few times to get remote connection going. Pretty damn ugly compared to other apps unfortunately.

I hear PLEG is semi broken, but I don't use that so I can't comment.

Good work MVC a much needed refreshed UI, now start that bug fixing!
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: garrettwp on January 23, 2014, 02:29:20 am
Correct UI6 has introduced a new mechanism to log in remote. So all 3rd party apps will require changes for the new remote access servers which documentation has not been posted yet. So your SOL when wanting to use any of the 3rd party apps with UI6.

- Garrett
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: Skaven on January 23, 2014, 07:33:15 am
It exists already  a getvera app is made fore GUI v6 if I remember correct it is made fore android and it is in play store try search fore getvera   


// Sorry about my spelling I'm dyslexic and so you know all translations is translate by Google translate so don't complain about my English spelling \
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641
Post by: oTi@ on January 23, 2014, 07:42:03 am
Sure, but that's an MCV app (for iOS and Android).

I think @garrettwp's point was that MCV has not yet communicated the interface for the new authentication system to 3rd-party control point developers (i.e. all apps that are not an MCV app), so these apps won't interface with UI6 remotely, without an update.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: AndreasE on January 24, 2014, 08:04:28 am
I made the big mistake of installing the new firmware and upgrading to UI6 for my Vera Lite. It is a bit like I've been teleported to the Windows 95-days. The new interface is indeed good looking but poorly functioning and in many respect hard to understand.

1) I'm new to the Vera world and also a bit gullible, so I installed the new firmware without further notice. All my old settings and devices were suddenly gone. A modern system shouldn't do such thing, even DLink has passed this kind of behaviour years ago. Feels very much like Windows 95.

2) The old cp.mios.com/login.php does let you login. However, if you connect that way you get a "Unable to communicate with your unit." Using home.getvera.com/users/login, I'm able to login. Of course with a different user and password. Also, I'll have to use "special characters" in my password, so that I'm not able to use any of my very hard to guess machine generated passwords I'm used to. After some teeth grinding over that stupid stupidity, and after logging in, I'm able to communicate with my unit. The different logins to the same system is confusing and annoying, and "special characters" is also annoying.

3) The new interface is fine and shiny but with clear Alzheimer's disease problems. Thus, after entering my city three times, UI6 finally shows me the weather outside my window.

4) After including my lost devices again, I get some nice modern views of my sensors. I find my self thinking nasty thoughts about changing one of my devices settings. Of course, only in bizarro world would a man think that pressing settings under your device would take you to the settings for the device. Also, only in bizarro world would a man go to My System/Devices and press Edit to edit your settings. In the real Vera world, to edit your device settings you must go to My System/Settings to find ... nothing! You must press Advanced Settings under Settings, or Advanced Settings on any page. Confused? I am too. Very Windows 95-clunky.

5) After finally realising that Advanced Settings is the proper way to edit not so advanced settings for your devices, I do indeed press Advanced Settings. Suddenly I'm in a Back to the future-sequence, because the new shiny UI6 is no more, because now I'm redirected to the old UI5. Here I can press Devices and se my devices and press the wrench just like I'm used to. At the top, I have the possibility to go back to the new shiny useless UI6. Thank you, Windows 95.

6) With UI5, I was able to use the cp.mios.com/phone on my android. I liked it, it worked. It does not work after installing UI6. Why? I don't know, no information anywhere (I think). I contacted support, they informed me that the phone version doesn't work with UI6. Isn't it wonderful when support confirms what you already know?

7) After using this new UI6 I'm convinced that it SUCKS! So I decide to revert to factory settings, which in practice does not revert to factory settings. The firmware is the new one and I'm still in UI6, the only noticable difference is that my z-wave devices of course are gone. I google for some time just to realise that the old firmware and UI5 can't be found. Ahh, Windows 95-style.

Excuse me.

It might be that I'm utterly ignorant and a complete newbie, but I don't find UI6 to be anything but an unstable horror that give me palpitations. It is beyond my mental capabilities to understand why someone would release this horror UI without a easy way to revert to a usable one. Minding that this the year of 2014, the very year that man can control his home remotely using Z-wave, I can't understand it.   
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: Johan71 on January 24, 2014, 08:09:29 am
I made the big mistake of installing the new firmware and upgrading to UI6 for my Vera Lite. It is a bit like I've been teleported to Windows 95-days. The new interface is indeed good looking but poorly functioning and many respect hard to understand.

1) I'm new to the Vera world and also a bit gullible, so I installed the new firmware without further notice. All my old settings and devices were suddenly gone. A modern system shouldn't do such thing, even DLink has passed this kind of behaviour years ago. Feels very much like Windows 95.

2) The old cp.mios.com/login.php does let you login. However, if you connect that way you get a "Unable to communicate with your unit." Using home.getvera.com/users/login, I'm able to login. Of course with a different user and password. Also, I'll have to use "special characters" in my password, so that I'm not able to use any of my very hard to guess machine generated passwords I'm used to. With that stupid stupidity in mind, after logging in I'm able to communicate with my unit. The different logins to the same system is confusing and annoying, and "special characters" is also annoying.

3) The new interface is fine and shiny but with clear Alzheimer's disease problems. Thus, after entering my city three times, it finally shows me the weather outside my window.

4) After including my lost devices again I get som nice modern views of my sensors. I find my self thinking nasty thoughts about changing one of my devices settings. Of course, only in bizarro world would a man think that pressing settings under your device would take you to the settings for the device. Also, only in bizarro world would a man go to My System/Devices and press Edit to edit your settings. In the real Vera world, to edit your device settings you must go to My System/Settings to find ... nothing! You must press Advanced Settings under Settings, or Advanced Settings on any page. Confused? I am to. Very Windows 95-clunky.

5) After finally realising that Advanced Settings is the proper way to edit not so advanced settings for your devices, I do indeed press Advanced Settings. Suddenly I'm in a Back to the future-sequence, because the new shiny UI6 is no more, because now I'm redirected to the old UI5. Here I can press Devices and se my devices and press the wrench just like I'm used to. At the top I have the possibility to go back to the new shiny useless UI6. Thank you, Windows 95.

6) After using this new UI6 I'm convinced that it SUCKS! So I decide to revert to factory settings, which in practice does not revert to factory settings. The firmware is the new one and I'm still in UI6, the only noticable difference is that my z-wave devices of course is gone. I google for some time just to realise that the old firmware and UI5 can't be found. Ahh, Windows 95-style.

Excuse me.

It might be that I'm utterly ignorant and a complete newbie, but I don't find UI6 to be anything but an unstable horror that give me palpitations. It is beyond my mental capabilities to understand why someone would release this horror UI without a easy way to revert to a usable one. Minding that this the year of 2014, the very year that man can control his home remotely using Z-wave, I can't understand it.   

+10000


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Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: flyveleder on January 24, 2014, 08:14:19 am
I just learned that 1/3 of all private PC's are running Windows XP ... I wonder how many still running Win95 :-)

WIN95 FTW!
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: koburg on January 24, 2014, 09:26:12 am
Please change the title of this post. This is not a public version of the firmware. Until MCV announces the firmware, there is no public beta of the new firmware and you are on your own if you decide to upgrade. You will NOT receive any support from the Community or MCV!

- Garrett

Since it look likes you are some kind of staff from MCV or at least beta tester. then can you please tell MCV that they need to make some special secure site to test
the non public beta firmwares. Since it so easy to find the firmware, and AT LEAST warn that this firmware IS NOT FOR PUBLIC!. and maybe some kind of agreement about you will not get support etc etc etc.

there is a ton of ways to make beta releases secret also like only make them as download file for beta testers. etc. etc.

and maybe lock this beta forum so normal users not can make new topics in this beta department.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: AndreasE on January 24, 2014, 10:13:36 am
Please change the title of this post. This is not a public version of the firmware. Until MCV announces the firmware, there is no public beta of the new firmware and you are on your own if you decide to upgrade. You will NOT receive any support from the Community or MCV!

- Garrett

Are you even familiar with the upgrade situation?

I logged in using home.getvera.com/users/login and the first info I got was that there was a new firmware available and a question if wanted to upgrade. Of course, since I believe that the information you provide is correct and useful, I answered yes and put myself in your pile of UI6 crap without a chance to back.

I did not actively seek a new firmware and a new UI, you provided it without information. A statement like "You will NOT receive any support from the Community or MCV!" makes you look like a ruthless gangster pimp.



Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: koburg on January 24, 2014, 10:21:29 am
Please change the title of this post. This is not a public version of the firmware. Until MCV announces the firmware, there is no public beta of the new firmware and you are on your own if you decide to upgrade. You will NOT receive any support from the Community or MCV!

- Garrett

Are you even familiar with the upgrade situation?

I logged in using home.getvera.com/users/login and the first info I got was that there was a new firmware available and a question if wanted to upgrade. Of course, since I believe that the information you provide is correct and useful, I answered yes and put myself in your pile of UI6 crap without a chance to back.

I did not actively seek a new firmware and a new UI, you provided it without information. A statement like "You will NOT receive any support from the Community or MCV!" makes you look like a ruthless gangster pimp.

+1 from me
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: oTi@ on January 24, 2014, 10:24:03 am
To be clear: @garrettwp is not an MCV employee, but a long-time Vera user, beta-tester and developer, with lots of time and effort invested, and endless helpful posts to his name. The quoted one included.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: ih8gates on January 24, 2014, 10:29:42 am
Please change the title of this post. This is not a public version of the firmware. Until MCV announces the firmware, there is no public beta of the new firmware and you are on your own if you decide to upgrade. You will NOT receive any support from the Community or MCV!

- Garrett

Are you even familiar with the upgrade situation?

I logged in using home.getvera.com/users/login and the first info I got was that there was a new firmware available and a question if wanted to upgrade. Of course, since I believe that the information you provide is correct and useful, I answered yes and put myself in your pile of UI6 crap without a chance to back.

I did not actively seek a new firmware and a new UI, you provided it without information. A statement like "You will NOT receive any support from the Community or MCV!" makes you look like a ruthless gangster pimp.

Yeah, take it down a notch, Andreas. Garrett's one of us.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: koburg on January 24, 2014, 10:34:42 am
Then Maybe it is time to tell MVC direct that they have some issues when releasing beta firmwares. instead of try teaching the users that they don't get help etc.

It is not our fault that MCV is making is so easy to upgrade to a beta firmware we are not able see the difference between beta and normal firmwares...  :(

I have never been using any other hardware units in my time, where it has been so easy to make upgrades whitout notice beta from real.

If I have broken my unit MCV is going to pay me a new!
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: niharmehta on January 24, 2014, 10:37:17 am
To be clear: @garrettwp is not an MCV employee, but a long-time Vera user, beta-tester and developer, with lots of time and effort invested, and endless helpful posts to his name. The quoted one included.

I completely agree with oTi.

 Although, I think "ruthless gangster pimp" has a great ring to it.  ;D  .   




as much as I try, every "public" login/url I have tried does not forward me to a firmware update message. It seems some users are getting the prompt to upgrade while others are not. 
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: oTi@ on January 24, 2014, 10:58:20 am
Yup, I knew there had to be something beyond Master Member. :)

Right, I have trouble determining the degree of claimed easiness as well. (And things may be in flux / MCV might be changing things in the background).

Granted I don't use the portal that much, but when I do, I go to cpui5.mios.com, or cp.mios.com; was not aware of the getvera.com portal and it didn't work for me with current credentials, to get to UI5 or be offered an upgrade.

Now, there was one report where just logging into cp.mios.com offered the upgrade.

The fact that the firmware is accessible, regardless of how hard it is to obtain it, has been brought up several times by beta board members, @garrettwp included. History is simply repeating itself.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: AndreasE on January 24, 2014, 11:04:30 am
as much as I try, every "public" login/url I have tried does not forward me to a firmware update message. It seems some users are getting the prompt to upgrade while others are not.

For me there was no problem as long as I used the cp.mios.com-login. I did even used the check for new firmware function which rendered the info that my firmware was already the latest one. The problem came the first time I logged in using the home.getvera.com/users/login and the page tried and succeeded in assigning my unit. After that I got the infamous question about upgrading to a new firmware and to UI6. As a new user, there was no way for me to understand that this was a beta firmware. Also, it is VERY confusing having two different login pages using different user/password settings to reach the same unit. 

Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: SyCo on January 24, 2014, 11:45:27 am
New to the forum, not new to Vera. I own a Vera Lite.

Last night I've lost communication to my Vera Lite using my iOS and Android third party apps (both). Went to my PC and tried to log into my vera account through my local unit web page... no success. So I went to the vera website (which I very rarely do) and the only thing I saw was "getvera.com". I've tried to logon using my current credentials, but of course that didn't work as stated many times above, so I've created a new account. Then, my unit wanted to upgrade the firmware.. which I did.. and now I'm into that weird/beta firmware without any further "beta" warnings.

It's seems to work somewhat ok. One thing that is not working is that if, when prompted, I "Activate" my unit into my newly created account it doesn't seem to be kept on the servers. Each time I log out then back on it ask to "Activate" it again :(  Any idea on that last point ? And of course if a link is available to download/install the previous UI5 I would be glad to know ?!
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: Brientim on January 24, 2014, 12:27:09 pm
If you desire to downgrade your firmware to UI5:

http://download.mios.com/rt3662_betafirmware/rt3662_Luup_ui5-1.5.622-en-mios.squashfs
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: Tank on January 24, 2014, 12:32:16 pm
If you desire to downgrade your firmware to UI5:

http://download.mios.com/rt3662_betafirmware/rt3662_Luup_ui5-1.5.622-en-mios.squashfs

Thanks for the link, that is useful to have.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: S-F on January 24, 2014, 01:12:32 pm
For the record, I went to getvera.com, it asked me to find my unit and then immediately started offering me the new firmware. It was pretty easy.

Of course I avoided installing it like it had some new air borne AIDS or ebola.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: SyCo on January 24, 2014, 01:26:36 pm
If you desire to downgrade your firmware to UI5:

http://download.mios.com/rt3662_betafirmware/rt3662_Luup_ui5-1.5.622-en-mios.squashfs

Great thanks ! :-)

Still on UI6 for now... I may give it a try.

Another issue I have. If I go to my unit (locally or via getvera.com) it always prompt a "Setup Wizard" to configure my unit. If I complete OR cancel the wizard I get the following popup -> "Failed to save system configuration" . I get the same thing if I go to "My Systems" then "Settings" then try to change Country/City/Temp format... If I click "save changes" I once again get "Failed to save system configuration" ...

Any idea ??
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: niharmehta on January 24, 2014, 01:32:32 pm
Strange.. I just tried the same.. no prompt..   Oh well.  Have no plans to upgrade for quite a while until I know its baked.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: Johan71 on January 24, 2014, 01:46:15 pm
If you desire to downgrade your firmware to UI5:

http://download.mios.com/rt3662_betafirmware/rt3662_Luup_ui5-1.5.622-en-mios.squashfs

How do i use it ?
Title: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: Brientim on January 24, 2014, 02:29:00 pm
I do not have access to any systems currently and I have not downgrade from UI6 to UI5. The firmware link is valid.

If you are uncertain raise a support to ticket and request they revert your system.

With UI6 you will need to checked in the Advanced (old style interface).

Use the link in the "Firmware" Tab of the vera to update it with "URL for Vera custom firmware:"
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: AndreasE on January 25, 2014, 03:54:55 am
Did a firmware downgrade without almost any problem, the only minor issue was that the 15 minutes clock never started, which made me fear for the worst. However, after a cup of coffe and a peanut butter with jelly sandwich I got my superpowers back and decided to try to login. With great success. UI5 and v 1.5.622 firmware were back. Thank you, Windows 95.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: acn on January 25, 2014, 01:36:39 pm
This thread's title [edit: the author removed that part] states the new UI6 is for Vera 2, but I am not seeing it in the new home.getvera.com dashboard, when trying to select a new device (or http://firmware.getvera.com/).

Only Vera 3 and Vera Lite are listed options.

Can anyone clarify if UI6 is supported by Vera 2?

Also (in case it is supported by Vera 2), like many have mentioned a direct link for 1.5.622, is there any direct link available for the 1.6.641 beta? Or any way to install it?

Thanks

Ps/rant: I really have to say that Vera (or MCV) does a very poor job managing info content, even on linked sections of the main page. Information is highly scattered or outdated, and hopefully there are some good forum users that try to fill in the voids, but it shouldn't be that way (e.g. http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,7656.0.html). It's a good thing that they're thinking of getting a reasonable user interface, even though it seems (video) somewhat better but not actually an extensive and in depth User Interface review, which I guess most users would be grateful for regardless of customizability options (remember Apple with the iPhone!).
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera /3/3lite
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 25, 2014, 02:10:18 pm
I want to make clear that @Garrettwp is not a "ruthless gangster pimp" . He is far from that. He made a LOT (and i mean A HELL OF A LOT) of contributions to the vera-users and forum and helped many people and is a very nice and too good guy. He is not one of MCV, he is beta-tester and on "our" side.  In fact if it wasn't for him and richard the vera wouldn't have been where it is today. So please do not point fingers at him, he is a very nice guy and far from anything like pimp/gangster/whatever negative title. MCV didn't give announcements for a new firmware in the forum as i did allready :-P . we 3rd party app developers and the beta testers didn't get any official/non-official information from MCV regarding the new UI6 or its new login and also didn't get a beta testversion for testing our apps and the vera. One has to understand that communication (except in computerlanguage a lot of people dont understand) is not the best part of vera nor mcv. Also understand that this is the BETA forum and it is a BETA release (like all other release lol) . The thing is .. when u get a new vera there is a link for firmware upgrade in the paper and it says cp.mios.com/firmware so as new user you wouldn't be seeing the difference and happily press that button for upgrade as you don't have a clue and think it's probably supposed to be right.

Normally i would not have even think about changing the title of my topic, but since it's garrettwp and i have a lot of respect for his work and help and time spend on our vera , i will do this.
MCV is giving support for the new UI6 , so don't worry about that part.

edit:
seems new vera users get pointed to new webpage that automaticly get you to the new beta firmware.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 25, 2014, 02:37:04 pm
The title states the new UI6 is for Vera 2, but I am not seeing it in the new home.getvera.com dashboard, when trying to select a new device (or http://firmware.getvera.com/).
Only Vera 3 and Vera Lite are listed options.
Can anyone clarify if UI6 is supported by Vera 2?

Also (in case it is supported by Vera 2), like many have mentioned a direct link for 1.5.622, is there any direct link available for the 1.6.641 beta? Or any way to install it?
Thanks
Ps/rant: I really have to say that Vera (or MCV) does a very poor job managing info content, even on linked sections of the main page. Information is highly scattered or outdated, and hopefully there are some good forum users that try to fill in the voids, but it shouldn't be that way (e.g. http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,7656.0.html). It's a good thing that they're thinking of getting a reasonable user interface, even though it seems (video) somewhat better but not actually an extensive and in depth User Interface review, which I guess most users would be grateful for regardless of customizability options (remember Apple with the iPhone!).
I have no vera 2 so i cannot confirm it works for that. i have a link but i cannot give this, don't want you to break ur vera 2. there is no official announcement nor mention about UI6 being compatible for vera 2 so i took it out of the topic untill someone can confirm it works for vera 2.
agree on the poor managing part. it's a total mess. the new UI also could have been presented in the beta forum and let people tell their opinion so it can be improved for the digi-bete people. but yeah it is what it is and we pointed it out to MCV many times and they have their own agenda and ignore our good ideas it seems.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: Brientim on January 25, 2014, 02:42:02 pm
The "Micasaverde" comments on the UI6 release can be found here :
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,22390.msg149412.html#msg149412

and follow up found here:
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,22390.msg152973.html#msg152973

Or read them via his profile.
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=2
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: acn on January 25, 2014, 03:17:02 pm
The "Micasaverde" comments on the UI6 release can be found here :
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,22390.msg149412.html#msg149412

and follow up found here:
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,22390.msg152973.html#msg152973

Or read them via his profile.
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=2

Thanks for the links, I actually read at least one of them earlier.

As for its contents there is no information regarding support for Vera 2 devices (at least I didn't find any).

But again, beside the fact it's released in a scattered and loose way, this type of disclosure doesn't help much. It would have been much preferable to publish this on an official blog, something that only the company manages - comments following those publications. They state that they care for customers - of course they do, all companies conceptually do - the issue is that they do not assess customer handling and communication in a sufficient way.

I find it very awkward that they release beta firmware to some random production devices and don't even try to maintain an updated forum/wiki/whatever release timeline or similar - who does this really...?
Title: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: Brientim on January 25, 2014, 03:37:24 pm
I was trying to align the thread to the MCV comments and the release of UI6 by MCV.

I have not seen anything official about Vera2 and UI6 and only one comment awhile ago which someone made on the forum that UI6 would not support Vera2.

Previous release the wiki has been updated in advance of the firmware release but I think the confusion around how this release occurred and left a lot of things incomplete as it stands.

http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Release_Notes
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 25, 2014, 03:48:30 pm
I was trying to align the thread to the MCV comments and the release of UI6 by MCV.
I have not seen anything official about Vera2 and UI6 and only one comment awhile ago which someone made on the forum that UI6 would not support Vera2.
Previous release the wiki has been updated in advance of the firmware release but I think the confusion around how this release occurred and left a lot of things incomplete as it stands.
http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Release_Notes
yup i found that comment too. i think considering storage-space and cpu that it won't support vera 2.
its all a big mess, people posting all over the forum about the same things. would be a good thing if we all centralize things to one topic. someone should monitor the forum and administrate it.
thx for the time u took to link all stuff here.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: Brientim on January 25, 2014, 04:17:31 pm
As they have indicated, they are playing catch up right now. I think they need to be given a little time to consolidate their effort and get this back on track.

Yes , there are multiple threads across the forum and they (MCV) have always stated, this a a public forum not an MCV managed forum. Thus this is normal.

Their previous post were responding to comments in a thread and therefore, they were not an official release comment. Since then or in the last few weeks there have been a number of additional thread started - this is normal on a public forum.

Everyone wants answer now which is understandable and they have stated they are working on getting this corrected so efforts are focused or technical issues etc. A little patience might be a good thing for all. Have a beer, coffee, wine, or whatever you like to drink and it will happen soon enough.

I
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: acn on January 25, 2014, 04:19:34 pm
I get what you're saying, and it's all ok apart from not being normal.

Forum-wise this is fine, but considering they're managing a business and customers, it's a giant mess out there.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: Brientim on January 25, 2014, 04:25:48 pm
I am stating it is normal on a public forum for there to be fragmented conversations and multiple corresponding threads not how the release occurred. That is their business to respond too. And everyone can come to their own conclusion.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 25, 2014, 04:28:16 pm
afaik they playing catch up from the start of the company lol. been 5 yrs allready its not what one would say little time anymore. mm yeah public, true that. public mess. coffee for me please :D  a year of little patience and we get to the next beta full of bugs hehe. but yeah one can still hope it one day be normal again.
agree on what acseven says, the're having a business and it would be more normal if things are a bit more controlled and less messy..
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: acn on January 25, 2014, 04:46:33 pm
I also think the forums serve their purpose. But even that is questionable - these forums may not be actively serve a purpose of Customer Support but they are hosted under the company's domain (so it is the official forum), and so some management / spring cleaning would be seen as sign that they're actually managing all the client channels available. You must have noticed that there's a "UI4 Brainstorming & Discussion" board...

My comments were simply meant to say that Vera (former micasaverde/MCV) simply doesn't do a good job polishing and supporting their products, and firmware is one of the core examples of that. My Vera 2 runs ok, even though I have struggled a lot to make it run for my very-very-very basic setup.

I can also remember never successfully upgrading my Vera 2's firmware through the auto update features - it was always manually, with links provided. And the interface UI4/UI5 is so-so-so user unfriendly and inconsistent when compared to others (e.g. Fibaro), which by itself means that they only focus on the devices and not on its software, while others have understood that these days fantastic user experience makes sales grow. You can have tons of features available and even allow low-level programming :P, but if you can't make the basic ones available to common users, you probably won't make your sales grow a lot.

That said, I'm on wishful thinking mode, hence interested in trying out UI6. :)


Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 26, 2014, 11:38:00 am
well insofar i use UI6 now for 6 days and i must say the new UI is just the most unlogical version i have seen till today. the settings for devices doesn't make sense. the scenes that are in there don't make sense, if you have a timeline for a scene you would see like a dozen scenes which is in fact just 1 scene. the home/away/vacation presets are nice but it would be better if you can make ur own presets. i had my little brother looked at it and he understands more of the advanced interface then from the beginner interface. he finds it far from logical and simple. the new looks are nice though, but like you said it should be user-friendly and it is far from that. i hope mcv will start listen to people on the forum and see where the difficulties are and ask the community how a interface should look. it's great that the backwards-compatibility is there but the most used features like PLEG and Authomation are not functioning correct. neither is every other remote control app except mcv's own one. nobody explains what should be changed in the login procedure. having 2 logins for 2 different remotecontrol on the net connecting to the same vera is just weird. the most common used thermostates are not usable in new interface. the phone registration is not working since it doesn't accept the word "Code". some words are missing letters , like with firmware upgrade it says "he" instead of "the" and a lot of other flacky stuff. i wonder why they even bother to put it online. the only good thing is that the z-wave network seems to respond more quickly now. the rest is just a poor user-interface which doesn't make sense to a beginning user nor the more advanced users. the new android app for UI6 is making a lot more sense and looks quite good.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: nullx8 on January 26, 2014, 12:00:02 pm
i'm not lucky
Code: [Select]
Update failed with critical error! Close this window and go to Advanced > Tech support to contact tech support.

i try to download the update locally to make sure its not a network issue, still no luck
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 26, 2014, 12:08:54 pm
sorry to hear that man. mine went flawless in 10 minutes. have to update via the weblink , it needs the new login stuff and such and this can only happen if ur online.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: nullx8 on January 26, 2014, 12:11:39 pm
i try the noob aproach first ...
maybe its because i use the same username (just differnent password)

well using the URL in the update dialog comes to the same effect .. so it seems somethings with my unit i guess.

i will make a backup and try a fatory-reset first, maybe its somthings in the config the updater dont like
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 26, 2014, 12:16:28 pm
mm well the strange thing is that i can locally login with my old username and pass and online i need the new one, so i guess it can do ok with both.i'm using the same username also, so that couldn't be the problem. it is probably some plugin that uses the usb pendrive or config indeed. hope it works out for you.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: nullx8 on January 26, 2014, 12:53:04 pm
i had that idea about the usb as well
but no luck either.

plugins i dont really use much
just:
- XBMCState   1.1*   
- Day or Night   1.5   
- Wunderground Weather Plugin   1.54   
- Twilio.com API Interface   1.0   
- Virtual ON/OFF Switches   1.34   
- WOLPlusPing   1.2   
- HomeWave Push Notifications   1.0   
- dataMine graphing and logging

i'm abit afraid of removing them "just for the test"
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 26, 2014, 12:56:47 pm
i have  wunderground plugin and virtual on/off so these can't be the problem. i suspect datamine is the problem.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: arostad on January 27, 2014, 07:32:49 am
hmmmm how do I go back?? This is horrible! All they did was add on a UI to the existing UI page.. To do anything advanced you are transported back to the old UI.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: acn on January 27, 2014, 07:39:30 am
hmmmm how do I go back?? This is horrible! All they did was add on a UI to the existing UI page.. To do anything advanced you are transported back to the old UI.

There are reports of downgrading (earlier on this thread) (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,22637.msg153072.html#msg153072) to 1.5.622 available through this link:

http://download.mios.com/rt3662_betafirmware/rt3662_Luup_ui5-1.5.622-en-mios.squashfs
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: pvancald on January 27, 2014, 04:43:54 pm
hello
I installed the latest version yesterday and here is my findings:
- even after creating a new login/pwd combination, I could not manage to control the vera3... a message appeared stating that my user had no rights...
- the z-wave led wasn't lit anymore and I could not control anything more...
- during the night maintenance/reboot(s) it apparently solved a few things as I woke up with the dim of my wakeup light :)
- I couldn't control the vera it was unassigned...
- my colleague who has a login on my vera as guest received an email with a code as well... when I tried to login with his credential, I noticed that his guest account became the owner of the box...
- I unassigned the box from my colleague and finally managed to assign it my own account :)
- now, the vera is in the same state has yesterday, z-wave led not lit and when I look at the LuaUpnp logs, it looks like it is crashing on a scene and restarting in a loop... leading to a message displaying that luup is taking too long to restart
- I'll wait this night for the 2am maintenance and will see if it works back tomorrow

The interface is effectively a bit weird but I'll see that later... as long as it is working, I don't mind changing my uses...
More to come in the coming days...
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: Skaven on January 28, 2014, 06:49:23 am
What I did to fix meny of my problems is

1 I made a backup ( and downloaded it ) when I whas on UI5 before I made backup I removed all accounts so only admin account left

2 I upgraded to UI6 when upgraded I rebooted my Vera 3

3 I cleaned cash in my web browser then I log in whit my old user id I ust to my Vera not the new but the old

4 when I had login to my Vera 3 I ust my new login info on the login user link up to REIT corner in advance UI then I go to backup page and uploaded and made a restore from my old backup now my apps is back and al my z-wave connections


// Sorry about my spelling I'm dyslexic and so you know all translations is translate by Google translate so don't complain about my English spelling \
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: smilepak on January 29, 2014, 04:58:07 pm
Anyone got their authentication issue resolve?

Once update to this version, when going to user profile, it wont authenticate me. It said login failed. Tried using the new password created from getvera.com and tried with old password. Both failed.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: Skaven on January 31, 2014, 04:16:24 am
Did u try intranet or getvera remote login page?


// Sorry about my spelling I'm dyslexic and so you know all translations is translate by Google translate so don't complain about my English spelling \
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: Tank on January 31, 2014, 11:34:08 am
Anyone got their authentication issue resolve?

Once update to this version, when going to user profile, it wont authenticate me. It said login failed. Tried using the new password created from getvera.com and tried with old password. Both failed.

Did you create the new account prior to upgrading?  It seems to have trouble migrating your old account if a new one already exists with the new name.

Open a ticket with MCV (despite what some have said here they are eager to help with UI6 issues).
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: Da_JoJo on January 31, 2014, 11:36:49 am
via getvera.com you would use the new user/password. through local lan you need the old user/pass. when ticket secure this vera, you can only login from https://home.getvera.com/users/login (https://home.getvera.com/users/login), no lan acces.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: therealabdo on February 07, 2014, 07:00:14 am
Please any1 has a link for the new UI6 firmware?
I want to upgrade my vera 3 remotely

I searched the forum but couldnt find any
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: nullx8 on February 07, 2014, 07:17:43 am
Please any1 has a link for the new UI6 firmware?
I want to upgrade my vera 3 remotely

I searched the forum but couldnt find any

you can't .. the computer controlls the upgrade via webbrowser must be in the same network.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: BulldogLowell on February 07, 2014, 08:17:31 am
you can VPN into your home network if you have that set up.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: garrettwp on February 07, 2014, 09:03:21 am
If you are just curious to upgrade to UI6 then take caution that many of the plugins are not supported in UI6. Also take caution that 3rd remote control apps will not work with UI6. I strongly advise that stay away from UI6 and wait for future releases to fix bugs or wait until UI7.

- Garrett
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: dohmenict on February 07, 2014, 12:05:18 pm
Had a lot op problems upgrading to 1.6.641 from ui5.

finally fixed it by upgrading from within ui5 and entering the 1.6.641 url: please do not post beta firmware links
Then the upgrade went perfect!

Pleased to find out that the new Vera MMS app is working.
AND Automator and HomeWave are working as well!!!

quite happy with it.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: garrettwp on February 07, 2014, 12:54:11 pm
3rd party apps will work as long as they are on the local network. They will not work if used remotely via MCV's remote servers. The only app at the moment is the MMS Vera app which is MCV's own app.

- Garrett
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: Frode on February 07, 2014, 03:46:23 pm
There is one thing I am wondering, and excuse me if someone think it is a stupid question. as I am an simple individual user of vera, and i am totally dependent that vera is up running at all time,when should i upgrade to UI6? I use vera to control my cabin and i'm depending on vera to function 24/7 especially remote control. I don't want plugins to stop function and etc.
Thanks for Input


Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: BulldogLowell on February 07, 2014, 03:52:24 pm
It sounds like your question was asked, and answered. 

What would you expect out of the new firmware that you really need at the cabin?  So far, I haven't heard of any interesting new capabilities.  I'm wondering if this isn't mainly just a bridge upgrade to UI7 at this point.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: jimpapa on February 07, 2014, 04:12:03 pm
There is one thing I am wondering, and excuse me if someone think it is a stupid question. as I am an simple individual user of vera, and i am totally dependent that vera is up running at all time,when should i upgrade to UI6? I use vera to control my cabin and i'm depending on vera to function 24/7 especially remote control. I don't want plugins to stop function and etc.
Thanks for Input

Mine ain't broke (UI5) ... and I need ours to run in my office also. 
I don't see me going to UI6 until the dust is very settled and only on my test veralite at that.
I'll take all my stuff working VS a prettier interface for now
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: BulldogLowell on February 07, 2014, 06:12:29 pm
amen
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: Frode on February 07, 2014, 06:16:52 pm
I just want to be up to date and run the latest @Bulldoglowell
Don't wanne be a step behind if u know what i mean.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: BulldogLowell on February 07, 2014, 06:20:45 pm
right, but UI5 is the latest, UI6 is in beta and developers are working to get their plugins working.

If you like the bleeding edge, I say go for it!  I'm to busy getting the existing version doing everything I want to do without introducing the new and unknown (and unsupported).
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: sebouille on February 08, 2014, 06:04:25 am
hi, does  rfxcom 433 beta 1  and smart virtual thermostat is working?
thanks
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: nullx8 on February 08, 2014, 07:48:58 am
Had a lot op problems upgrading to 1.6.641 from ui5.

finally fixed it by upgrading from within ui5 and entering the 1.6.641

i downloaded the firmware and served it locally .. still upgrade failed .. :(
shows "critical error .. and reboots twice every time.

does datamine work ?
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: Sender on February 08, 2014, 08:42:33 am
U have vera2?
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: nullx8 on February 08, 2014, 09:38:43 am
U have vera2?
VeraLite running 1.5.622
USB holds only a USB Drive (not mounted by mios  (used by datamine exclusive)

running apps:
XBMCState   1.1*   
DayTime   1.5   
Wunderground Weather Plugin   1.54   
Twilio.com API Interface   1.0   
WOLPlusPing   1.2   
Ping Sensor 0.16
HomeWave Push Notifications   1.0   
dataMine graphing and logging   0.980   
MiLightCU
MiLightRGB
MiLightWU
MiLightW
Multiswitch
EmSensor
DigitalSecurityCamera
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: webdesco on February 20, 2014, 11:30:01 am
fwiw, I too was prompted to download the new UI (there was no mention whatsoever that it was in beta release), looked good at first but couldn't login.  requested new password, new one was emailed but it didn't work either.  After reading many posts I've decided to go back to UI5
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: nullx8 on February 21, 2014, 01:10:01 am
i had some chat with MCV Support regarding other things.

they told me aboutthe UI6 topic, the UI6 would be a "simplification" of the current UI5 ...
and adviced to stay with UI5 till UI7 is there ...

looks like the UI6 is just the bridge to the combined version (7) then. somehow iam afraid alot of the flexibility will get lost along the way.
but well .. who knows ;)

Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 2/3/3lite
Post by: SigmaNu6 on March 29, 2014, 09:50:08 am
If you desire to downgrade your firmware to UI5:

http://download.mios.com/rt3662_betafirmware/rt3662_Luup_ui5-1.5.622-en-mios.squashfs

How do i use it ?

Under SETUP/FIRMWARE there is a text box labeled "URL for Vera custom firmware" - paste the link in there.

I am a new user and also fell for the "Firmware Update" thinking I should have the latest and greatest... UI6 should be private at this point - it is very buggy "out of the box". I downgraded to UI5 and I'm now happy, happy, happy... All is right in the world.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: sharky22 on August 06, 2014, 02:43:21 am
If you desire to downgrade your firmware to UI5:

http://download.mios.com/rt3662_betafirmware/rt3662_Luup_ui5-1.5.622-en-mios.squashfs

Unfortunately, I have become an UI6 victim as well !! Thanks to this thread that I managed to downgrade to UI5. However, VeraLite is auto-upgrading to UI6 and I am back to square one !!.

After my 8th downgrade attempt, i figured out that after a successful downgrade vera is rebooting & auto-upgrading to UI 6. So it appeared as if the downgrade to UI5 never happened.

The only way i can stop the auto-upgrade behaviour is to switch off Internet to Vera. So I am in UI5 now but with no internet access to Vera (and hence no remote access)

Has any one faced this issue ? How do i turn off the auto upgrade of Vera ? I don't know what job/process is causing it and how to stop the same ?

Here is how the downgrade worked for me

1. On UI 6, go to Advanced settings and logged in with my existing (cp.mios) login
2. Took a UI 6 Backup (incl. Z-Wave Network)
3. On the firmware section pasted the link "http://download.mios.com/rt3662_betafirmware/rt3662_Luup_ui5-1.5.622-en-mios.squashfs" and clicked download. Once the firmware is downloaded i switched off internet to vera (not LAN)
4. Vera rebooted with UI5 blank page. restored the backup in step 2 and i am back to business  with all my devices, scenes & apps (UI6 Backup seems to work in UI5)


Now, If i plug back internet VeraLite immediately detects the 'internet' somehow. It reboots and after 10-15 mins I am back to UI6 again !!

Here is output of 'top' command showing list of jobs running on vera right after a reboot (rebooted from UI5 as soon as i plugged in internet). I can't make out what is causing the auto-upgrade and how to stop it :(

PID  PPID USER     STAT   VSZ %MEM %CPU COMMAND
 3803     1 root     S      748   1%   1% /usr/bin/luci-bwc -d
 4035  4012 root     R     1680   3%   0% top
  480     1 root     S     1928   3%   0% syslogd -C256
 3737  3710 root     S     1800   3%   0% /bin/sh /usr/bin/SetupRemoteAccess.sh
 3710     1 root     S     1800   3%   0% /bin/sh /usr/bin/SetupRemoteAccess.sh
 3143  2976 root     S     1788   3%   0% /bin/sh /usr/share/udhcpc/default.scr
 3288  3211 root     S     1728   3%   0% /bin/sh /sbin/hotplug-call iface
  404   402 root     S     1716   3%   0% /bin/sh /etc/init.d/rcS S boot
 3835   404 root     S     1716   3%   0% /bin/sh /etc/rc.common /etc/rc.d/S98-
 3211  3143 root     S     1712   3%   0% /bin/sh /sbin/hotplug-call iface
  402     1 root     S     1712   3%   0% /bin/sh /etc/init.d/rcS S boot
 3734     1 root     S     1696   3%   0% crond -c /etc/crontabs -l 5
 2976     1 root     S     1688   3%   0% udhcpc -t 0 -i eth0:0 -r 10.0.0.105 -
    1     0 root     S     1684   3%   0% init
 4012  3979 root     S     1684   3%   0% -ash
  403     1 root     S     1684   3%   0% init
 3894  3835 root     S     1680   3%   0% /bin/sh /usr/bin/UpdatePackage.sh lua
 3834     1 root     S     1680   3%   0% watchdog -t 5 /dev/watchdog
  405   402 root     S     1676   3%   0% logger -s -p 6 -t sysinit
 4186  3288 root     S     1676   3%   0% rdate -s time-a.nist.gov

I am now out of remote access to my fully automated home of 50+ devices !! Any help here will be appreciated. I tried to search but found nothing for this issue. HELP PLEASE !!
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: sharky22 on August 06, 2014, 02:47:48 am
Found the solution in another forum !! Thanks !! will mail the support staff to remove the force upgrade flag.

I also just bought a new veralite and am unable to downgrade to 1.5.622 using the working procedure documented in this thread.
I e-mailed support this morning and asked them about the "force upgrade flag" and requested it be removed.
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: Brientim on August 28, 2014, 06:17:14 am
See also external forum:

http://www.vesternet.com/knowledgebase/technical/kb-42
Title: Re: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: oTi@ on August 28, 2014, 06:23:45 am
8) Nice choice of words (in the title of the KB article). Good MCV PR...
Title: UI6 1.6.641 public beta for Vera 3/3lite (not official MCV announce)
Post by: Brientim on August 28, 2014, 06:45:13 am
None detriment clause "External" is there to highlight that there are many sources of information, internal and external.  It is a big world and I was happy to search to find this that was the through away comment let earlier being answer found in another forum, a link would make it easier for all to follow the bread crumbs to that source of information.

Yes, a very appropiriate title for the KB entry.