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Title: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on February 27, 2014, 10:23:15 am
There is a Register Tab in your Vera Alerts device.
Licenses are paid via PayPal from a Registration website accessible from the Register tab.

The license is required for any Plugin greater than Version 3.9 Existing users will have approximately 1 month to register.

You get 30 days free unlimited access from time of your first install. For existing users this period has likely expired.
To reset the date ... delete the Vera Alerts plugins and re-install it.
After 30 days, unlicensed users are allowed a total of 2 active profiles and 20 messages per Vera Restart.

You can obtain a license that will allow you to create an unlimited number of messages for 2 profiles.  (You can obtain as many licenses as you need).
A license is $5.50+tax

UPDATE:
Some one had indicated to me that I may have done something illegal with my licensing.
I am not a lawyer ... and sorry to say I have not stayed at a Holiday Inn Express lately :)

So as I indicated ... I will provide a license to anyone that requests it ... But it will only work for Versions before today's release.
Just Post your Vera ID Here ... And I will respond with a license. But as I said ... it will only work with the old software ... And the old software
is not available from the APP server anymore ... You will need to restore your configurations to last night's backup and make sure you disable the auto-update procedure.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: mikee123 on February 27, 2014, 10:49:55 am
After 30 days, unlicensed users are allowed a total of 2 active profiles and 10 messages per Vera Restart.

Does this mean 10 messages between Vera restarts ? So as my Vera restarts at least 1 in the middle of the night, i would have 10 messages per day, if it restarts more often (which it regularly does) i possibly would have more messages ?
And what happens to the notifications which are being sent after the 10 'free' ones ?
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: SirMeili on February 27, 2014, 11:22:27 am
Some quick questions about this:

I think that's it for now, I'll post back if I think of any more. I don't mind paying the money, especially if it keeps you working on the product and making it better and better.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on February 27, 2014, 11:22:50 am
After 10 messages it will stop sending messages until Vera Restarts.
It will display a message at the Top of your Vera Dashboard. ("Not Registered - Max Alert Exceeded!)

If you have a nightly Heal ... you can get 10 messages per day.
You can also force your Vera to restart more often ... if you want to get more messages per day.

But I hope if you like the software and support you will purchase a license.
 
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: mikee123 on February 27, 2014, 11:26:11 am
I will rather support your work and buy the licenses (i need one for PLEG as well)
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: jimpapa on February 27, 2014, 11:33:23 am
I don't see the License tab.

I am reading this is for the use of the Plugin not Vera Alerts service

IE:  I'm using SMTP and Pushover from Vera alerts plug in..

Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: mikee123 on February 27, 2014, 11:36:30 am
I dont see the register tab either, but my PLEG and Vera Alerts have not updated to the newest version yet. Not sure if we have to do a manual update now, all the latest updates were automatic for me
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on February 27, 2014, 11:52:37 am
The license is lifetime ... but it is tied to your Vera.

When Vera Restarts, it allows the First N profiles to send messages. Where N is 2 * license count.
So you can have more profiles than supported by the license. But first come first serve. You can add/delete profiles. LAN profiles count!
When you purchase you can purchase multiple licenses. You can go back and add additional licenses as your needs expand.

Some profiles allow you to send to multiple devices at the same time (PushOver, Email).  The Vera Mobile profiles do not. So they would be one profile per target.
My registration site can currently handle from 1 to 9 licenses or 2 to 18 profiles. I can upgrade the strategy in the future.

I would be happy to work with you on a bulk option ... I had not really anticipated that large of a need.

NOTE: I have been supporting the costs for the  intermediate Exchange Website:
                 http://veraalertsexchange.appspot.com/

Check it out and you can see the usage and/or your specific usage.
About a half year ago it's utilization surpassed the FREE quota and I now have a monthly bill.




Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: Cor on February 27, 2014, 02:24:57 pm
Hmm, a question ,

I have 2 profiles which I use , one for my phone (android) and an email adress.
Than I have 2 more profiles for family and friends for when smoke or fire in my house is detected, (hopefully this will never be used.)   For these last 2 , do I have buy a second licence?

Thanks,
Cor
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: beerguy on February 27, 2014, 03:11:22 pm
Richard, this is what I'm getting in my VeraAlerts now on one Vera, "Something is wrong. Can't determine when your demo period started. Your license limits are 10 Messages per Vera reload and 2 active profiles."

I have 15 Veras to get licenses for and was hoping that I wouldn't lose functionality while this was taking place. Anything you can recommend while the updates are trickling in to each Vera (short of uninstalling the app)?
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on February 27, 2014, 03:16:43 pm
There should not have been any run-time behavior change with the latest release.

It only added the Register Tab and some updates in the Report.

UPDATED
I checked ... this is just a bug in the report. I did all of this work and tested last November.
I did change something .. and the report is giving a false warning.

The code to check and enforce licensing was turned on in November of last year.
It will not engage until April 1. That's when run-time behavior will change.

It will also engage once you enter a license.

Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: beerguy on February 27, 2014, 03:20:39 pm
That's the message I'm getting on the Register tab under the two buttons (Registration Portal and Verify).

Also, I have 22 profiles across 7 different Veras. If I do all those separately you are going to get dinged with a credit card fee on every transaction. Would you prefer that I give you a credit card number and all of my serial numbers and just do one credit card transaction? Happy to do whatever works best for you. Will also have the same issue on PLEG registration.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: Aegis on February 27, 2014, 03:27:04 pm
Will u b eventually licensing all of your plugins?
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on February 27, 2014, 03:38:59 pm
I will not be licensing Day or Night or  Garage Door.
I did not write the latter. I just packaged some code for the App store and improved it's setup.
They are pretty easy and do not take any effort to support.

I do have some other projects in the works.
Things that will also add value, will likely generate requests for enhancement, and probably require support.
Those will likely be licensed. In all cases I believe a reduced functionality free version should always be available.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: Cor on February 27, 2014, 04:06:41 pm
Hmm, a question ,

I have 2 profiles which I use , one for my phone (android) and an email adress.
Than I have 2 more profiles for family and friends for when smoke or fire in my house is detected, (hopefully this will never be used.)   For these last 2 , do I have buy a second licence?

Thanks,
Cor


Have you read this one?   Do I need to buy for these 2 almost unused profiles also a licence or do they fall under the 10 messages a day?  Do I have to set them up differently , since profile 1 and profile 3 are the ones I use and profile 2 and 4 are just for an emergency broadcast.

Thanks,
Cor
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on February 27, 2014, 04:12:07 pm
@Cor
For an answer see:
   http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,23569.msg160651.html#msg160651

So you will want a second license.

There is not a free limit on addition profiles .. They are just ignored.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on February 27, 2014, 06:13:15 pm
Some one had indicated to me that I may have done something illegal with my licensing.
I am not a lawyer ... and sorry to say I have not stayed at a Holiday Inn Express lately :)

So as I indicated ... I will provide a license to anyone that requests it ... But it will only work for Versions before today's release.
Just Post your Vera ID Here ... And I will respond with a license. But as I said ... it will only work with the old software ... And the old software
is not available from the APP server anymore ... You will need to restore your configurations to last night's backup and make sure you disable the auto-update procedure.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: twistedsanity on February 28, 2014, 03:08:39 am
Either way I bought more than I need for both alerts and pleg as I just wanted to suppprt you and the plugins. Thanks for all the hard work, it is appreciated.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on March 04, 2014, 09:59:05 am
I have to do some more work for Vera 2 devices to recognize the license ... I will get that done this week.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: SirMeili on March 04, 2014, 04:34:26 pm
I have a quick question. I purchased 3 licenses (6 profiles) because that was the max. I currently can survive off of 6, but I will likely need more later. I see there is only 1 box to enter a registration ID, so if I buy new "licenses" will they be linked to my current registration ID and just increase the amount of profiles I can use?

I assume the answer is yes, but you know what they say about assuming!
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on March 04, 2014, 04:51:01 pm
When you get a new license it replaces the old one.

The license encodes the Vera ID, the purpose for the license, and the number of licenses.

The Registration Portal keeps track of how many licenses you have. When you buy a new license or two, it adds this to the number you previously purchased.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: integlikewhoa on March 04, 2014, 05:08:42 pm
When you get a new license it replaces the old one.

The license encodes the Vera ID, the purpose for the license, and the number of licenses.

The Registration Portal keeps track of how many licenses you have. When you buy a new license or two, it adds this to the number you previously purchased.

I have more then one vera, I have purchased one and got one vera setup. But it doesn't see my other vera ID. I'm affriad if I purchase another license it will be for the first Vera only. Is that the case? How do I get a 2nd vera working?
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on March 04, 2014, 06:26:55 pm
You have to register from the other (2nd) Vera.

Note that when you go to the Registration Portal ... It will should the Vera Serial Number (called VeraID) in the URL.

Click the Register from the Existing Vera. It will show your current license.
Click the Register from the Other Vera. It will not show any licenses ... But it will show the other transactions you have made.

Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: integlikewhoa on March 04, 2014, 06:46:35 pm
You have to register from the other (2nd) Vera.

Note that when you go to the Registration Portal ... It will should the Vera Serial Number (called VeraID) in the URL.

Click the Register from the Existing Vera. It will show your current license.
Click the Register from the Other Vera. It will not show any licenses ... But it will show the other transactions you have made.

Looked striaght forward. URL had correct serial in it. Return email also has correct serial. But copy and paste of the password says registration failed.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on March 04, 2014, 06:49:26 pm
PM me your VeraIDs so I can see what you registered.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: integlikewhoa on March 04, 2014, 06:55:15 pm
PM me your VeraIDs so I can see what you registered.

I will do that, but I emailed you screen shots at your Support@........ Email


Pm also sent now.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on March 07, 2014, 10:51:57 am
You can upgrade to the latest version.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on March 07, 2014, 11:12:12 am
Some folks have been having problems with getting their license accepted.
There were two problems:
1)  Vera 2 users
2)  Users that received a license, but it had a + (Plus) character in it.

I have a release pending to fix both of these problems. Version 5.2.  It's been in MCV audit for a couple of days.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: Fred1978 on April 02, 2014, 02:27:59 pm
Hello Richard,

Maybe I fall asleep in the meantime, I discovered today the 30days limit of your new licencing. As I use the 5.3 version and 6 modules to manage my zwave network, can you, please, provide me licences for ma vera (ID is 35106943).
Thank you!
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: cw-kid on April 08, 2014, 03:11:02 pm
Hi

I just bought my licence, I got the code via email and entered it in to the box and pressed the Verify button. I then clicked on the Red Save button.

When looking in the Register tab now it still says:

"Something is wrong. Can't determine when your demo period started. Your license limits are 10 Messages per Vera reload and 2 active profiles."

It says in apps tab that the version is 5.5

How do I know it worked correctly?

Thank you.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: cw-kid on April 08, 2014, 03:17:25 pm
Well I just sent 15 test alerts to my email profile and I got them all so maybe it is working OK and that message is just a red herring.

Cheers
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on April 08, 2014, 05:48:18 pm
Just do the following:

1) Restart Vera
2) Refresh the Browser

(This is know as the Vera 2-Step, Useful anytime you change something ... or you think Vera is not working properly! )

Enter or Validate your license again.

You can also paste the license into the RegistgerID parameter in the Advanced tab,
Then do the Vera 2-Step.

Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: cw-kid on April 09, 2014, 06:43:13 am
Richard

Thanks, it seems to have sorted itself out however, looking at it again this morning and it now says

"Your are registered. You have 1 license units. You are allowed 2 active profiles."

Regards
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: l8nighter on April 09, 2014, 11:05:25 am
I was wondering why my alerts on my devices were working at some times and not at others.  My wife kept asking me for a few days as to why the alerts were not coming through when people were going through our doors in our house.  I would just reboot the Vera and it fixed the problem but I never took the time to look at the UI and see that you were now needing to charge a fee and that the status showed license expired.  Happy to help support your work Richard and the price is great for a lifetime membership.  Thanks
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: pentium on April 09, 2014, 12:48:15 pm
Er l8nighter, that would be Richard's lifetime. 

Richard, let me know when you need another beer.  Thanks for everything.  Live long!
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: jackpot on April 13, 2014, 01:07:58 pm
I hate to even say this but I don't have a Paypal account (gasp) :'( Are they any other ways to register ? I would like to support it.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on April 13, 2014, 01:21:40 pm
You do not need a paypal account.

The Paypal login is dominant ... because they are trying to get you to create and use a paypal account.

Below the login info is a place to Click on Pay with a debit or credit card option.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: jackpot on April 13, 2014, 01:32:29 pm
Thanks Richard, I will be register today.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: jimpapa on April 13, 2014, 01:40:11 pm
BTW, This plug in is worth it just for the ease of sending an PIC via email alone!
besides all the other alerts I have too, but that alone has been fantastic!
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: pmnb on April 13, 2014, 10:10:18 pm
BTW, This plug in is worth it just for the ease of sending an PIC via email alone!
besides all the other alerts I have too, but that alone has been fantastic!

Agreed.  This is the kind of feature that adds the "smart" to a Smart Home.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: cmaples on April 16, 2014, 08:22:16 pm
Hi Richard,

I PM'ed you my vera ID but haven't received a response from you yet. Do you need any additional information? If you could kindly respond I'd really appreciate it. My home's alarm system is based on the functionality of vera alerts and hasn't been working properly for several weeks because of this licensing change.

Thanks,

cmaples
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: aboyz on April 16, 2014, 11:53:05 pm
I guess I'm on the same boat. I would love to support the developer of this app. Just purchased and everything is working. When into the Vera Alert Registration Tab and hit portal registion and add that to my cart and check out with paypal. Afterward I got the registration key from my email and past it to the Vera Alert Reigstration Tab and hit verified. Afterward it say I'm successful registered!! :)
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on April 17, 2014, 12:38:43 am
@cmaples
Have you tried the register tab ?
You should be on Version 5.6
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: cmaples on April 17, 2014, 12:55:39 am
Confirmed. The version number is 5.6 - I'm not sure if that is the original version I installed because "auto update" was checked. In the "register" tab I see the following message "Something is wrong. Can't determine when your demo period started. Your license limits are 10 Messages per Vera reload and 2 active profiles." Is the registration ID the information you'll be PM'ing me?
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on April 17, 2014, 01:30:15 am
Click the Registration Portal link to purchase a license ... It will be automatically mailed to you.

Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: cmaples on April 18, 2014, 02:08:24 pm
You're post says that legacy users can get a free license by PM'ing you our Vera ID, which I did. Is this incorrect? I haven't received a license. Should I send you my vera ID again?

Thanks,

cmaples
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on April 18, 2014, 06:43:26 pm
Actually I said post your Vera I'd here.
I will provide a license key. It will only work with pre 5.0 Legacy users.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: cmaples on April 20, 2014, 03:03:23 pm
I Don't mean to be a pain. I like your software and would be happy to support it. What I don't like is your business practices. I bought a vera because I didn't want to pay annual fees and hidden charges. My system was working fine and then you made a change to your software without notifying your users that caused it to stop working. It's starting to feel like ransomware. If I give in and pay the fee this time, how do I know you won't do this again?

"oh sorry everyone...I just released a new version and now it's going to cost you $50 if you want you system to continue functioning."

Are we able to downgrade our software back to the free version? It's not posted in the app market. Only the latest version.


Sorry I was trying to do it thru the apps tab in the GUI. Using the Mios Apps web page was much simpler. https://apps.mios.com/plugin.php?id=3008
After clicking install I could then see the versions.

Thanks.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on April 20, 2014, 03:07:44 pm
You can restore your software from a backup before you updated.

Also

I have kept the version prior to the license release on the App store.
I will probably keep it there for another month.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: cmaples on April 20, 2014, 06:31:08 pm
Thanks for your help Richard. I've downgraded my software but have concerns about posting my Vera ID on the public forum. I've PM'ed it to you. Please let me know if this is sufficient to receive a license. Thanks
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: garrettwp on April 20, 2014, 09:33:56 pm
What everyone keeps saying is Richard should have notified the users. How is he supposed to do that? He does not have contact info for every user using his plugin. He mentioned several times on this forum what his intentions were.

As a developer myself and in which I provide my software for free, it amazes me how so many people demand something for free. Richard put a lot of effort into a very useful plugin that many use on here. It is also one of the most discussed plug-ins on the forum which requires support. I believe the price he is asking for is a very small price for his time and effort!

- Garrett
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: BulldogLowell on April 20, 2014, 11:05:32 pm
I believe the price he is asking for is a very small price for his time and effort!

- Garrett

Well said Garrett.

Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: konradwalsh on April 21, 2014, 03:57:30 am
Richard is displaying the highest level of patience and mostly tolerance. If it was me.. I would have shown most of them the symbolic door

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Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: waynehead99 on April 21, 2014, 08:31:09 am
It still amazes me how many people complain about 5 bucks. I have said this before if you don't like it, don't pay it. Plain and simple. Most on this form tinker and don't develop and don't have the skills that Richard has to build something like this. If you do more power to you and build your own. If you don't then shut up pay the money or don't use the product. Or go to a professional system and spend way more. The product is deserving of a lot higher price point to make the device functional. If 5 to 10 bucks is a heartache the. Maybe you need to rethink what your spending your money on. Plain and simple nothing to argue. Just pay the guy his rightfully owed dues and move on.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: guest20975 on April 21, 2014, 10:38:28 am
It still amazes me how many people complain about 5 bucks. I have said this before if you don't like it, don't pay it. Plain and simple. Most on this form tinker and don't develop and don't have the skills that Richard has to build something like this. If you do more power to you and build your own. If you don't then shut up pay the money or don't use the product. Or go to a professional system and spend way more. The product is deserving of a lot higher price point to make the device functional. If 5 to 10 bucks is a heartache the. Maybe you need to rethink what your spending your money on. Plain and simple nothing to argue. Just pay the guy his rightfully owed dues and move on.

I totally agree, without Richard's skills my use of Vera would be limited. My programming finished years ago with VBA and Excel, Lua has me beaten and I fir one am quite happy to pay for the expertise.

David
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: BlueFlame on April 28, 2014, 10:22:35 am
Nobody says they don't want to pay a minor fee for this great application, or that his expertise and skills are not appreciated!

The discussion is about the way it is implemented without prior notice!
How did he had to contact everyone? Simple, by using the messages vera alerts sends!

I am using this as a burglary alarm system, and I don't appreciate the way he implemented the registry function without clearly communicating about it via the messages generated by Vera alerts!
The ten message limit is a definite no go for this purpose.

The way to go would have been to prevent auto update or, if that is not possible, create a new entry in the app store for the paid version.
That way, every user would have to install the new application with the new terms knowingly.

Now, it's a big surprise for me today...

I will register and pay for the man's good work, but the way he implemented this leaves a sour taste in my mouth, which, with better communication, could have been avoided...
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: garrettwp on April 28, 2014, 10:41:55 am
There is no easy way to notify users. This maybe easy if you're using veralerts but not for pleg and the other plug-ins. Richard did what was best and put a notice on this forum where the plug-in originated from over a month notice! It is not Richards responsibility for how you use the plug-in. If you depend on the plug-in for security and safety reasons, you may want to rethink your setup!

- Garrett

Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on April 28, 2014, 10:56:53 am
Now that you are registered ... I have your email ... I can contact you if there are any issues that may effect this service.

I indicated over 6 months ago that I may have to charge for this App, since it has grown to the point that I have had to pay Google a monthly fee.
I exceeded their free limits of appspot ... their hosting service. This is used as the PostOffice between your Vera and your mobile device:
    See:
       http://veraalertsexchange.appspot.com/

You can see the growth in usage.
The counts this month will be down about 20% as a result of the transition for people to acquire their licenses.

Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: AgileHumor on April 28, 2014, 11:04:57 am
So I bought 2 licenses...and no problem doing so...I really think it should cost $50. Richard has developed quite a platform here.

However, I do agree that it wasn't handled well for NON-Active Forum users.  I mention this not to complain about the past, but to make it better in the future.

I have disabled auto update of PLC/PLEG to ensure that I don't upgrade accidentally to prevent this issue in the future.   This seems like a good fix for me...but not the typical user if I deployed Vera to my Grandparents.

No changes requested...just want to give another perspective that will make the process better for all.

Very Respectfully,
Your humble fool

PS - The fact that you personally had to pay for Vera Alerts messages I think is a valid reason to start charging the currently deployed users.  PLEG, not so much ;)
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: BlueFlame on April 28, 2014, 11:19:53 am
Yes, well, for me (not so frequent forum visitor, and when i'm here, i don't visit the page of a plugin that works) it came as a surprise. Is it my fault for not visiting the forums and pages of every plugin I have? maybe it is...

So I want to again stress that (for me) it is no problem to pay a minor fee (which it is, minor in comparison to the functionality).
I am verry happy with the application and what it does.

So Richard, thank you for putting this much time, effort and aparently money into it!
Without this plugin, the vera would not be as usefull as it is now.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: pentium on April 28, 2014, 11:23:49 am
I would like to thank Garrett for an epiphanal moment today.  I am relatively new to home automation and have benefitted significantly from the exhaustive work of many of the forum contributors and app developers.  In this short time I have developed a true dependence upon the home automation features that allow me to monitor my security, manage my utilities, view my surroundings from anywhere in the world. 

The epiphany is that any one of these contributors could be hit by a bus tomorrow or even simply lose interest in Vera and move on to the next new thing.  I for one would have to follow Richard to his next endeavor because without PLEG my vera development would be very crude indeed.  And for that matter, Vera could go out of business or otherwise render all of my HA efforts useless in many ways.

Garrett's point that we are all responsible for how we use these tools and how we develop a dependence upon them is profound.  And very true.  I was caught up in the fun and challenge of this new hobby and failed to have a backup plan.

I can see how many people may have been inconvenienced in varying degrees and oddly enough the money was the least of it.  For me, this is a good time to review my vulnerabilities and use better methods to manage them.  Heck, I even need to have some plan in hand where by wife could be able to do certain things if I were hit by the bus.  As more people begin to license their efforts for a fee, perhaps a process can be developed for the transitions from a hobby to a business. 

Richard, I cannot thank you enough for developing and sharing these apps.  I hope you are receiving at least enough revenue to feel that your work is appreciated and begin some meager compensation.   Please do not get discouraged.  I sincerely appreciate your documentation and responsiveness.  I have to say that my first thought when I read about the licensing fee was that now people are going to have even higher expectations.  And thanks to Garrett, you opened my eyes today. 
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: SirMeili on April 28, 2014, 11:29:42 am
I have disabled auto update of PLC/PLEG to ensure that I don't upgrade accidentally to prevent this issue in the future.   This seems like a good fix for me...but not the typical user if I deployed Vera to my Grandparents.

I honestly think if you have a system that is left to it's own accord and you don't mess with it too much (as in, you aren't in it daily or every other day), then auto update should be turned off for all plugins. Then on your regular maintenance schedule, you can check for updates and evaluate them (Taking a backup before installing any updates). This should just be SOP for anyone's system that is not currently being "tweaked" regularly. Heck, even one that is currently being tweaked should be cautious about auto update. There is just too much "risk" that can be interjected via an update into a "production" environment. This would be especially true for one deployed to your Grandparent's house as they may not be able to fix it if an auto update breaks something. This is the exact reason why windows auto updates are disabled on my production servers (not that it was ever turned on).

I would say that it would be nice if vera offered a way to see in the UI that a new update if available for plugins. It's not always clear when there is one and some of my plugin's don't offer auto update (for whatever reason that I can't remember right now). Or maybe there is a notification and I'm just missing it..which is completely possible! :)

(@AgileHumor, this isn't really directed at you, I just wanted to expand on your comment, not discredit it or disagree with it in any way).
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: Frank Houston on June 18, 2014, 12:02:20 pm
Maybe I am doing something wrong here.

I just started using the plug-in last night,  I got the license for my devices.

I am running into an issue, might be a config issue from my side, but I am unable to get any alerts, but when I do the "Send Alert" selecting the device, it works every time.

The VeraAlert device shows notification of the device and timestamp, almost looks like the notification was sent out, but it never makes it to the device.

I am not sure if this has anything to do with it, I continue to do the Registration, it tells me "Registration: Successful"

But when I open the registration tab again, it shows:

Something is wrong. Can't determine when your demo period started. Your license limits are 10 Messages per Vera reload and 2 active profiles.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on June 18, 2014, 02:12:07 pm
Two issues:
1) If you are registering ... enter the registration ... save the changes ... them refresh your browser.

2) Do you have any profiles associated with your user profile ?
    This is set from the settings tab ... Select your user name (lower left of settings page) and make sure there is one or more profiles associated with the user (lower right of settings page).
    Please post the output of the Report command in PDF if you still have a problem.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: Frank Houston on June 18, 2014, 10:14:37 pm
Two issues:
1) If you are registering ... enter the registration ... save the changes ... them refresh your browser.

2) Do you have any profiles associated with your user profile ?
    This is set from the settings tab ... Select your user name (lower left of settings page) and make sure there is one or more profiles associated with the user (lower right of settings page).
    Please post the output of the Report command in PDF if you still have a problem.

1) Clearing the cache fixed the issue with the license, why didn't I try that first lol.

2) I have a profile selected, if I select Internal Alerts and Debug, I receive the messages for each of those, but I don't get Process Notifications messages.

But when a Notification Message is supposed to go out, the VeraAlert device screen changes showing the device and the time stamp of when the message was supposed to be sent out, even when the message never makes it.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on June 19, 2014, 08:06:28 am
You must check EACH  entry on the lower left side of the Settings ... there is a Minimum of Two entries there ... so you have to check EACH

If you look at your REPORT you can probably figure it out ... if not post your REPORT here as PDF.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: Frank Houston on June 19, 2014, 05:40:19 pm
You must check EACH  entry on the lower left side of the Settings ... there is a Minimum of Two entries there ... so you have to check EACH

If you look at your REPORT you can probably figure it out ... if not post your REPORT here as PDF.

I was not able to do the report, didn't work.

But you where right, I needed to select the other "Users" and select the profile there also. All good now.

Thank you Richard, awesome plugin, I can see why everybody was saying that it was a most have with my vera.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: kd5ftn on September 03, 2014, 11:09:05 pm
I had the same problem as Frank and was about to email in a support request when I finally figured out.

To have Vera notifications start working:  Open the VeraAlerts device and Settings tab, then tap on your username (in blue) and it will turn orange. Check the profiles to the right to enable notifications to go to them.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: jamezel13 on September 14, 2014, 11:01:41 pm
Maybe I am doing something wrong here.

I got the license for my devices.

I am running into an issue, might be a config issue from my side, but I am unable to get any alerts, but when I do the "Send Alert" selecting the device, it works every time.

I have a similar issue. I can use the "send alert" and it works fine, but when I am supposed to receive a notification, it still sends the text, rather than the VeraAlert. I do have the "process notifications" checked and the report looks correct. The profile has a user association, and the user is shown on the notifications.

I do not get the timestamp unless I do the "Send Alert" option, so it's like it isn't trying to intercept the notifications. I have tried uninstalling/reinstalling the plugin, uninstalling/reinstalling the Android app, clearing app data, creating new events with notifications...

There's probably something small that I'm missing, but I can't figure it out for anything.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: blenz on September 18, 2014, 09:01:49 pm
I just added another Vera3 and installed your app.  I can not for the life of me figure out how to pay you or how to get this to work.  I know on my first Vera3 4 months ago I used paypal somehow.  Upgraded to the new version of Vera, did that mess it up?  1.7.318?
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on September 19, 2014, 02:16:18 pm
There is a register tab on the device control.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: blenz on September 22, 2014, 09:55:41 am
Found it, wasn't there when I installed.  Took a couple of days to show up.  Thank you.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: jamezel13 on September 26, 2014, 11:20:15 pm
?

Maybe I am doing something wrong here.

I got the license for my devices.

I am running into an issue, might be a config issue from my side, but I am unable to get any alerts, but when I do the "Send Alert" selecting the device, it works every time.

I have a similar issue. I can use the "send alert" and it works fine, but when I am supposed to receive a notification, it still sends the text, rather than the VeraAlert. I do have the "process notifications" checked and the report looks correct. The profile has a user association, and the user is shown on the notifications.

I do not get the timestamp unless I do the "Send Alert" option, so it's like it isn't trying to intercept the notifications. I have tried uninstalling/reinstalling the plugin, uninstalling/reinstalling the Android app, clearing app data, creating new events with notifications...

There's probably something small that I'm missing, but I can't figure it out for anything.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on September 27, 2014, 12:12:29 pm
you can put the {timestamp} option on Each message or the message override for the appropriate profile.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: jamezel13 on September 29, 2014, 02:44:29 pm
you can put the {timestamp} option on Each message or the message override for the appropriate profile.

I tried the manual override, but still nothing. The problem isn't that I'm not getting the timestamp. The problem is that the alerts are not working at all. I only mentioned the timestamp to show that it isn't even trying to send the alert. Strangely enough, I do get the internal alerts if I check that box.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on September 29, 2014, 03:42:42 pm
Post the PDF output from your report
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: integlikewhoa on September 29, 2014, 05:17:22 pm
Richard I tried putting {timestamp} at the end of individual messages (like I do for pictures) and I have tried the Override under profiles, message prefix. I don't see anything coming up with a time stamp. Only the same time that has always been there.

Anyone have screen shot in Vera Alerts android app. To see how its supposed to look.

Camera still pictures work and all alerts work as normal. I have rebooted VERA and the android phones.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: jamezel13 on October 01, 2014, 02:16:32 pm
Post the PDF output from your report

The 2 with message overrides are the ones that I'm trying to get alerts from.
I tried it with and without the overrides.
It's probably something small that I"m missing.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on October 02, 2014, 02:18:43 pm
the report looks ok ... Will need to see the Vera log file when an event is supposed to be sent.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: uros76 on November 11, 2014, 09:51:38 am
Hi Richard. I am faced with exactly same issue as jamezel. I have license and I can receive internal alerts and Send Alert function also works. Just not getting any other notification. Maybe issue somewhere else in plugin or Vera?
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on November 11, 2014, 11:43:04 am
For me to debug these kinds of problems:

1) Post (or email) your Vera Alerts Report (you can comment out any private info).
2) Turn on Debug in Vera Alerts Settings.
3) Send me the Vera log file covering the time  from a Vera Reload to the time you send an alert from one of the devices in your report.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: uros76 on November 11, 2014, 02:38:19 pm
Funny thing just happened. I created new notification for testing and this one works now.

But now I cant seem to delete old notifications that I had setup prior to using VeraAlerts.

Anyway my vera report attached. Please tell me which vera log do you need? Should I grab just required portion of LuaUPnP log?
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on November 11, 2014, 03:41:07 pm
You can send me the WHOLE LuaUPnP.log file ... I can find what I need from it.

There are two places to set notifications:
1) On the Notification TAB for a device.
2) On the TRIGGER Input for a scene, where you specify the devices that can trigger a scene.


Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: uros76 on November 11, 2014, 05:28:15 pm
Just sent you log on PM.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: mickesanda on November 24, 2014, 05:07:08 pm
Hi Richard,
Thank you for a great plugin. I purchased 2 licenses for Vera Alerts within a few hours from each other.
When i enter the second license code and click Verify it says "successful" but even after save and reboot it still shows "You have 1 license, which allows for 2 active profiles."
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on November 24, 2014, 09:15:08 pm
You have to reload Vera and Refresh the browser.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: snovvman on March 16, 2016, 12:40:10 pm
I ordered a Vera Plus to replace Lite.  When it arrives, I plan to go through the upgrade/transfer process.  I am aware that my PLC and VA licenses are tied to the device and do not mind at all licensing them for the new device.

For clarification, I presume I go through the transfer process where all the devices/apps/plug-ins will be installed onto the Plus, once fully up on the Plus, I would license the plug ins?

BTW, both are WELL WORTH THE COST!!!

Thanks.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on March 16, 2016, 03:29:06 pm
You will need to upgrade the Plugins as well, after you migrate, if you are going from UI5 yo UI7.
Otherwise you will migrate the UI5 version of the plugins  ... which will not work on UI7.

Yes you will need a new license. If you have more than one license I have a significant savings, buy your first upgrade license and email me with the OLD and NEW vera Serial #
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: pentium on March 16, 2016, 04:59:25 pm
Good inf? Richard.  I hadn't thought of that.  Much like snovvman, I will be happy to just relicense.  As you once said, it is like buying you a beer and I often wish i could do that in person.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: snovvman on April 07, 2016, 01:02:46 am
You will need to upgrade the Plugins as well, after you migrate, if you are going from UI5 yo UI7.
Otherwise you will migrate the UI5 version of the plugins  ... which will not work on UI7.

Yes you will need a new license. If you have more than one license I have a significant savings, buy your first upgrade license and email me with the OLD and NEW vera Serial #

Email inbound to you with my old and new serial numbers...

I am going from Vera Lite UI7 to Vera Plus UI7.

This is the order that I will be following:
1) Setup Vera Plus (basic network, access, etc.)
2) Backup Vera Lite
3) Put Vera Lite into Controller Shift mode
4) Put Vera Plus into Copy ZWave network master controller mode
5) Restore from backup from Vera Lite (using backup file) onto Vera Plus
Info from here:
http://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2337105-to-veraplus-from-veralite-or-vera-3

At this point, I presume all the settings, scenes, devices, device settings, apps, app settings will be transferred over from Lite to Plus.  I'm hoping that all the Vera Alert and PLC settings and customizations will be there. 

I assume I would apply the new licenses to Vera Plus after everything is up and running?
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on April 07, 2016, 03:59:18 pm
You will have to upgrade the Vera Alerts plugin after upgrading to get the right UI version specific files.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: snovvman on April 07, 2016, 04:34:07 pm
You will have to upgrade the Vera Alerts plugin after upgrading to get the right UI version specific files.

But if I am going from UI7 to UI7 (and I am already on 6.37 on Vera Lite), I assume the upgrade will install the correct version?
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: integlikewhoa on April 07, 2016, 04:42:52 pm
You will have to upgrade the Vera Alerts plugin after upgrading to get the right UI version specific files.

But if I am going from UI7 to UI7 (and I am already on 6.37 on Vera Lite), I assume the upgrade will install the correct version?

You click the upgrade button and it will install the latest version on both the front end and back end. Doing any kind of upgrade from one vera to another doesn't make a full clone of the unit, the firmwares on the unit are also different as with the z-wave chip. To insure everything in the background gets installed and updated to the latest you click the upgrade button in the app section anyways even if it shows you have the latest version number.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: snovvman on April 07, 2016, 10:19:19 pm
You click the upgrade button and it will install the latest version on both the front end and back end. Doing any kind of upgrade from one vera to another doesn't make a full clone of the unit, the firmwares on the unit are also different as with the z-wave chip. To insure everything in the background gets installed and updated to the latest you click the upgrade button in the app section anyways even if it shows you have the latest version number.

Thank you.  That makes sense.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: Crazyhopscotch on April 18, 2016, 08:38:30 pm
Richard, I have been trying to buy a license, but I don't have a Registration tab on my set-up.  I have a Vera Edge.  Screenshot attached, thanks.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: integlikewhoa on April 19, 2016, 11:09:49 pm
Richard, I have been trying to buy a license, but I don't have a Registration tab on my set-up.  I have a Vera Edge.  Screenshot attached, thanks.

there is not a tab but if you scroll down the page lower (its cut off in your pic)
you have
send alert, advanced and register.

Register is what you want.
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: Crazyhopscotch on April 19, 2016, 11:34:08 pm
Thanks integlikewhoa
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: Cor on November 26, 2016, 11:00:37 am
Hello ,

I am unbale to buy-register a licence for vera alerts , I just did PLEG , that worked fine , but when I click register on the vera-alerts "editor option" nothing happends, I get a blanc page.

The question above is for my new vera+

When I upgrade my older vera3 to UI7 ( has now UI5) with 2 PLEG licences and 2 vera alert licences, can I still use the licences for the Vera 3 after upgrade, or do I have to buy new licences for my vera 3 as well?

Thanks,
Cor
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on November 26, 2016, 06:15:53 pm
The license is tied to the Vera Serial number.

The same license works with UI5 and UI7 for a Vera 3.

But a Vera Plus will need a license.

Whenever you change the Vera Firmware from UI5 to UI7 (or back to UI5) you must upgrade the software to get the correct version specific software.
When you upgrade a Vera 3 Firmware from UI5 to UI7, this does not upgrade the Vera Alerts software from UI5 to UI7, thats why the upgrade is needed.
 
Title: Re: License for Vera Alerts Plugin Starting April 1, 2014
Post by: Cor on November 27, 2016, 12:40:51 pm
OK , cool. I will upgrade my vera 3 next week or so.

But for my vera plus , I am unable to register-Pay a new licence. when I click on the tab "register", all stays blanc......................... obh ... wait...... disregards.......

AH ... I see , since I am working remotely on not on the same LAN that is the issue.  When I logged on via teamviewer on a computer at home and than locally on the vera edge it works fine.

Cor