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Title: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: kkl on December 10, 2014, 05:44:45 pm
It looks like there's finally a new option for Z-wave control of ceiling fans, the GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller.

Homeseer (http://store.homeseer.com/store/GE-12730-Z-Wave-In-Wall-Smart-Fan-Controller-P1884C189.aspx?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_campaign=039cfc0335-Touchscreen2_18_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_691d7cd9ea-039cfc0335-155654585)  $49.95

Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/GE-Z-Wave-Ceiling-Switch-12730/dp/B00PYMGVVQ) $44.95

ebay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/GE-Z-Wave-Ceiling-Fan-Wall-Switch-White-Lt-Almond-New-12730-/121498828453?pt=Home_Automation_Modules&hash=item1c49e4fea5) $43.95

I haven't found a manual online or any earlier postings about it in this forum.  Z-Wave Protocol Implementation Conformance Statement (http://products.z-wavealliance.org/products/1107)
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: SirMeili on December 10, 2014, 08:50:15 pm
I still don't understand why there is no zwave form of the fanlinc. That is the best design yet for this problem and the main reason I now run a zwave/insteon hybrid system
Title: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: steets250 on December 10, 2014, 09:00:09 pm
YAY!  ;D ;D No more super expensive z-wave fan control!!
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: BOFH on December 10, 2014, 09:07:13 pm
If only my 2 ceiling fan locations had a neutral wire in the switchbox :( 
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: TC1 on December 10, 2014, 10:16:51 pm
I'm holding off until I see an actual manual and wiring diagram. Strange that I can't find any info at all on Jasco's website.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: steets250 on December 11, 2014, 12:07:55 am
I am hoping there are not any wiring surprises waiting for me. Oh... I wonder how this plans to work with ceiling fans with lights as well.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: SirMeili on December 11, 2014, 10:29:18 am
I am hoping there are not any wiring surprises waiting for me. Oh... I wonder how this plans to work with ceiling fans with lights as well.

My guess (and one I believe will be right) is that this is only for controlling the fan just like the Leviton one. If you only have 2 wire going to your fan, then you won't be able to control the fan and lights separately without either replacing the romex with 3 wire (or running another 2 wire run) and adding a separate switch for the lights, or ditching the light kit.

That is why I prefer the Fanlinc design. It goes in the fan's canopy (like many of those "remote control" ones) and then you can either not have a local control (All automated) or you can use a KPL to control both the fan and light. This works if you only have 2-wire going to the fan because the fanlinc has a fan controller AND a dimmer in it. I understand that Z-wave doesn't have the "concept" of KPLs (ability to dim a remote device in real time), but the manufacturers could just do what they do with Z-wave 3-way switches and have a proprietary controller switch that could control the device in the canopy.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: wilme2 on December 11, 2014, 11:22:20 am
I'm holding off until I see an actual manual and wiring diagram. Strange that I can't find any info at all on Jasco's website.

They don't have ANY of their new lineup 457xxs listed on their website.  I think I read they weren't planning to offer them direct to consumers.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: TC1 on December 11, 2014, 12:12:47 pm
I'm holding off until I see an actual manual and wiring diagram. Strange that I can't find any info at all on Jasco's website.

They don't have ANY of their new lineup 457xxs listed on their website.  I think I read they weren't planning to offer them direct to consumers.

Still, one would expect PDFs in the support section in case people lose the documentation in the box.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: niharmehta on December 11, 2014, 12:14:11 pm
Any guess on UI5 support ?
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: TC1 on December 11, 2014, 12:44:54 pm
Any guess on UI5 support ?

Based on the fact they can barely support UI7.... draw your own conclusions  ;)
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: steets250 on December 11, 2014, 01:08:54 pm
The specs look like is uses the multilevel switch class. Is that something UI5 supports?
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: Z-Waver on December 11, 2014, 02:01:21 pm
The specs look like is uses the multilevel switch class. Is that something UI5 supports?
Yes. I would expect this switch to work just fine in UI5. I'd expect it to show up as a dimmer, just like the Leviton fan controller.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: steets250 on December 11, 2014, 02:23:20 pm
Ok. Thanks!
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: TinCup on March 21, 2015, 07:24:47 pm
Just bought and installed one of these.  I can confirm that Vera 3 UI5 sees it as a standard dimmer.  Looks like it is broken down as follows: 10% to about 30% is low, 40% - 60% is medium, and 70% - 100% is high.  Might be possible to assign a custom device type/file to it, not sure.  I'll look into it.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: Kmitchel on April 16, 2015, 09:55:24 am
How did you get yours to pair?  Mine will not pair to save my life, I've tried about 20 times.  The instructions that came with the box just indicate to "follow controller directions".

Do you press the little button on the left on the switch in conjunction with the fan up/down to activate the pair?

The fan works great to turn the fan on/off, but I can't get it to pair with my Vera.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: integlikewhoa on April 16, 2015, 02:18:22 pm
How did you get yours to pair?  Mine will not pair to save my life, I've tried about 20 times.  The instructions that came with the box just indicate to "follow controller directions".

Do you press the little button on the left on the switch in conjunction with the fan up/down to activate the pair?

The fan works great to turn the fan on/off, but I can't get it to pair with my Vera.

First of all there is not a little button on the left of the switch. There is an "AIR GAP" which when pulled out it will disconnect the power to the switch and the fan. All GE switches have this.

If this was pulled out the switch would not work at all so your currently must be pushed in already.

2nd what type of controller do you have and which UI are you running.

You need to go to add devices and select generic z-wave device and then when it says add device now go flip the switch on and off. Until you see on the UI that is says device added or configuring device.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: Aaron on June 22, 2015, 01:13:37 pm
What is the verdict on the qualify & functionality? I'm thinking about getting 4 of these but want to make sure they work peroperly and don't induce humming, etc.

As for how it shows up in Vera, an Amazon review said:
'advertises itself with a device type identifier of a lighting dimmer switch (0x1101), and NOT of a z-wave fan control (identifier 0x1108.)"

In Vera, should we be able to manually point the device to be a Fan controller?
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: johnes on July 02, 2015, 10:12:13 am
My fan is controlled solely through a remote, so I am guessing this product wouldn't work for me?  The wall switch simply turns the fan on or off, but all of the controls are via remote.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: Aaron on July 02, 2015, 10:16:10 am
My fan is controlled solely through a remote, so I am guessing this product wouldn't work for me?  The wall switch simply turns the fan on or off, but all of the controls are via remote.

all fans have separate controls for light & fan... yours just terminates in the ceiling. You can check to see if they ran the wires to the wall box (outlet) and just didn't use them. If they didn't, you can run new wires from the fan box to the wall... this is what I will need to do for mine so I feel your pain :)
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: johnes on July 02, 2015, 11:03:16 am
From the ceiling fan to the wall, there are separate wires for light and fan.  Right now, the one for light is unused and the other connects to the fan.  That will cut power / give power to the fan, but since it's controlled only through the remote, if I use the switch to turn the fan off, flipping the switch on won't turn the fan on - just give it power so that the remote can turn it on.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: integlikewhoa on July 05, 2015, 09:34:36 pm
From the ceiling fan to the wall, there are separate wires for light and fan.  Right now, the one for light is unused and the other connects to the fan.  That will cut power / give power to the fan, but since it's controlled only through the remote, if I use the switch to turn the fan off, flipping the switch on won't turn the fan on - just give it power so that the remote can turn it on.

What happens is you leave the fan controller on high (or you remove the fan controller from inside the fan) and when you turn on the fan switch it will come on high........

Then when you use this fan switch, it lowers the voltage and slows the fan down.

So when you assume that it is only controlled by the remote, that's because you don't have a dimming or variable speed switch yet installed. You current switch only has on or off and your controller is currently lowering the voltage (or dimming the power) and slowing the fan down.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: BigE-TX on July 29, 2015, 04:40:47 pm
Just installed this in our snore "guest" room along with GE switches for the fan and closet lights.  They seem to work well thus far.  As I recall, the GE switches do NOT determine wattage readings and I must input them manually.  Correct?  Any idea if a cheapo builder grade [ie $50] fan motor would draw about 75 watts [w/o light kit of course]?

Most important question...Is there a patch for the device settings that would allow it to display a fan icon instead of a light?  Thanks.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: integlikewhoa on July 29, 2015, 08:02:10 pm
Most important question...Is there a patch for the device settings that would allow it to display a fan icon instead of a light?  Thanks.

Imperihome or Homewave allows allows you to use any icon you can find from the internet or make yourself. Customization from layout, icons, and everything is your choice. 
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: BigE-TX on July 31, 2015, 01:18:09 pm
Thanks.  I installed Imperihome about a week ago on my android phone and am still in early config stages.  It seems to have come a long way since I first used it.  Have been using Autohomation HD which I've become rather happy with, but since the developer has stopped working on it -in favor of OpenHAB- suspect I will need to re-consider Imperihome.  Not yet familiar with Homewave.  Thank you once again.

Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: kenray536 on August 02, 2015, 12:48:37 pm
Great find! I'm looking forward to picking up a couple of these. I've been using the standard on/off switches and it will be nice to be able to control the fan speed as well.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: doctorkb on January 06, 2017, 05:39:48 pm
How did you get yours to pair?  Mine will not pair to save my life, I've tried about 20 times.  The instructions that came with the box just indicate to "follow controller directions".

Do you press the little button on the left on the switch in conjunction with the fan up/down to activate the pair?

The fan works great to turn the fan on/off, but I can't get it to pair with my Vera.

I know this is an old thread, but it seemed this question hadn't been fully answered.

Pairing is simple - get your Vera to the "add device" section and waiting for pairing.  Then press the "up" side of the rocker switch.  The instructions warn that you may need to be within 10-20' of your controller, but I didn't experience that.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: johnes on January 06, 2017, 09:14:17 pm
From the ceiling fan to the wall, there are separate wires for light and fan.  Right now, the one for light is unused and the other connects to the fan.  That will cut power / give power to the fan, but since it's controlled only through the remote, if I use the switch to turn the fan off, flipping the switch on won't turn the fan on - just give it power so that the remote can turn it on.

What happens is you leave the fan controller on high (or you remove the fan controller from inside the fan) and when you turn on the fan switch it will come on high........

Then when you use this fan switch, it lowers the voltage and slows the fan down.

So when you assume that it is only controlled by the remote, that's because you don't have a dimming or variable speed switch yet installed. You current switch only has on or off and your controller is currently lowering the voltage (or dimming the power) and slowing the fan down.

OMG.  This is awesome.  My fan has a DC motor and I thought you weren't supposed to use a dimmer switch.  Maybe this gadget does something different?
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: integlikewhoa on January 06, 2017, 09:41:57 pm
From the ceiling fan to the wall, there are separate wires for light and fan.  Right now, the one for light is unused and the other connects to the fan.  That will cut power / give power to the fan, but since it's controlled only through the remote, if I use the switch to turn the fan off, flipping the switch on won't turn the fan on - just give it power so that the remote can turn it on.

What happens is you leave the fan controller on high (or you remove the fan controller from inside the fan) and when you turn on the fan switch it will come on high........

Then when you use this fan switch, it lowers the voltage and slows the fan down.

So when you assume that it is only controlled by the remote, that's because you don't have a dimming or variable speed switch yet installed. You current switch only has on or off and your controller is currently lowering the voltage (or dimming the power) and slowing the fan down.

OMG.  This is awesome.  My fan has a DC motor and I thought you weren't supposed to use a dimmer switch.  Maybe this gadget does something different?

This is not made for a DC application. You would have to check your Fan manual to see if you can dim the AC voltage (which I suspect no) side. This is what this switch would do. If your DC fan says that it would work in a standard fan dimmer application then your good to go.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: johnes on January 07, 2017, 03:39:43 pm
Seems to work... just wish there way a way to have it show as a fan object in Vera and not a dimmer...
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: integlikewhoa on January 08, 2017, 11:12:29 pm
Seems to work... just wish there way a way to have it show as a fan object in Vera and not a dimmer...

Imperihome allows custom icons.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: meathead88 on August 02, 2017, 10:29:40 am
I just installed one of these as well but Vera still shows it as a dimmer, 0-100%, and not Low, Medium and High options in the UI.
No custom device type for this switch yet?
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: integlikewhoa on August 02, 2017, 10:46:38 am
I just installed one of these as well but Vera still shows it as a dimmer, 0-100%, and not Low, Medium and High options in the UI.
No custom device type for this switch yet?

Nope. You can virtual switch and some logic your way threw it, but I'm sure that's not the solution your looking for.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: Don Phillips on August 02, 2017, 05:15:55 pm
I just installed one of these as well but Vera still shows it as a dimmer, 0-100%, and not Low, Medium and High options in the UI.
No custom device type for this switch yet?

Try looking at categories and subcategories http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Luup_Device_Categories. And remember to reboot to ensure you get the correct controls.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: integlikewhoa on August 02, 2017, 05:28:30 pm
Try looking at categories and subcategories http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Luup_Device_Categories. And remember to reboot to ensure you get the correct controls.

Which one do you use? There is no fan or low/med/high device.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: Don Phillips on August 02, 2017, 05:33:11 pm
Perhaps a dimmer?
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: integlikewhoa on August 02, 2017, 05:39:38 pm
Perhaps a dimmer?

It is already a dimmer and that is the problem. He doesn't want a dimmer with 0-100%. He wants a "fan" category with 4 buttons that say  "Off/Low/Med/High"
but that don't exist.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: Don Phillips on August 02, 2017, 09:17:30 pm
I would agree - virtual switch may be the best solution.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: johnes on January 09, 2018, 01:58:15 pm
Does anyone know if it's possible to configure it to have more than 3 speed settings?  My fan has 6 so this kind of stinks...
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: integlikewhoa on January 09, 2018, 02:20:40 pm
Does anyone know if it's possible to configure it to have more than 3 speed settings?  My fan has 6 so this kind of stinks...

No there is not, and it really doesn't matter home many speeds your stock fan has, its the controller that dims or varies the voltage to fan to create different speeds like dimming a light.  Not all newer fans work on this principle though which brings me to the next possible problem. If your stock fan has 6 speed controller its possible you may have a DC powered fan.  If that's the case then this switch is not right for you anyways.

Do some more research first.
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: brettlongmore on June 06, 2018, 04:49:34 pm
I figured by now there would be a category for "fan" but it doesn't look like it. Does anyone know why?
Title: Re: New Product - GE 12730 Z-Wave In-Wall Smart Fan Controller
Post by: bogdanf on August 29, 2018, 05:41:08 am
There is no category yet assigned for the fan devices.
We have added a request in our system for adding it.