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Title: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on April 29, 2015, 12:58:46 pm
I've used this method to secure discounts for forum members with other forums that I am active on such as Reef Central, Corvette Forum and others. Feel free to google my username to see that I'm legit and honest. 

Edit.
The group buy is now open and has been extended until June 15th!!!!  The price is $55 each. Read details below.

The discount code  is: Vera1506

Got to:
http://starlinepc.com/index.php/z-wave/vents-registers.html

It processes a $20.00 discount to each vent which will reduce the price of $75.00 to $55.00.

Go to ?Edit Cart? before check out and apply the discount code. 

For customers that want a white controller for the 6x10 brown vent, make a note in the field for the fax number as ?White Controller?

Thanks for participating in this group buy! We will setup a separate thread in this section of the forum so we can share our configurations, idea's and any other relevant info pertaining to our setup.


I've been in contact with Econet Control. They manufacture a Z-Wave controllable duct vents that has been tested to work with Vera. It will function as a dimmer switch and give you the ability to open, close or even partially open/close vents via Z-Wave commands and scenes. For me, I run a single central AC in my 2 story home and as you can imagine, it's a very inefficient setup. My plan is to use these vents to create an upstairs zone and downstairs zone. I will create scenes to Heat Upstairs or Cool Upstairs. Either of which will close the downstairs vents and open the upstairs ones. Then trigger the heat and use the upstairs temp sensors for the set point. I will have separate scenes for Heat Downstairs and Cool Downstairs that will close the upstairs vents and open the downstairs vents. Then use the temp sensor downstairs to control the set points. This should save me a small fortune on cooling and heating costs while also not turning my upstairs into an oven when I run the heat since my existing thermostat is in a lousy location downstairs. I'm switching to an Ecobee3 thermostat to help with this implementation but any Z-Wave or Vera controllable thermostat should work well in this scenario.

These vents normally range in price from $75 to $95 each depending on where you look. I have secured Vera Forum members a tiered discount based on the Qty that we can put together. This offer is currently for US Based members and possibly our Canadian neighbors but there may also be options for international customers if the interest is there. The Qty discounts are based on total combined group purchase Qty.

I will likely be ordering 7-10 vents myself. I would like to get some feedback here from members who are seriously interested in participating in this group buy. If you are seriously interested in purchasing some of these vents, please reply to this thread with the qty you will be wanting. Please make sure you subscribe to this thread by hitting the "Notify" button at the top right of this page so you can keep up with updates and make the purchase when we have enough commitment to make it worth while. When it's time to place orders, we will coordinate that with Econet. I'm thinking this group buy will run for 30 days. Depending on the feedback here, we can ship as soon as we get enough commitment. I am buying these regardless of the numbers we achieve but if we can hit 25 vents, that would be a GREAT opportunity for all who take advantage of this offer. You will be buying these directly from Econet once we determine the desired count and open the purchase up.  More information on these vents can be found at: http://econetcontrols.com/EV100.php

These are the available vent sizes. These sizes are based on the internal register. You will need to remove the vent and measure the opening to determine your vent size. The pricing is the same for all sizes and the discount will be based on total number of vents in any combination of sizes. Note that presently, they have more sizes in brown than white. If you need a white vent that is only currently available in brown, a white Z-Wave module can be included and you can just paint the outside of the vent. They are metal so a can of Krylon will fix that.

EV100-4X10WH       Z-Wave Z-Vent register for 4" x 10" mounting, white
EV100-6X12WH       Z-Wave Z-Vent register for 6" x 12" mounting, white
EV100-6X12BR       Z-Wave Z-Vent register for 6" x 12" mounting, brown
EV100-4X12WH       Z-Wave Z-Vent register for 4" x 12" mounting, white
EV100-4X12BR       Z-Wave Z-Vent register for 4" x 12" mounting, brown
EV100-6X10BR       Z-Wave Z-Vent register for 6" x 10" mounting, brown
EV100-2X12BR       Z-Wave Z-Vent register for 2" x 12" mounting, brown
EV100-2X12BR       Z-Wave Z-Vent register for 2" x 12" mounting, brown

This is the discount pricing for this group purchase. These prices don't include shipping but shipping will be cheap. It will be based on destination address and weights. Ground shipping for several vents should be under $20 total. Keep in mind that I will be purchasing several myself so we will certainly be at the 10 unit pricing right of the bat with my purchase. If we can get commitments from a few other members, then I think we could get to the 25+pc qty price break which would be a great deal on these vents. 

Combined group pricing... Again, the quantity discounts below reflect total group purchase not individual purchase. As such, we all save based on the group quantity commitment. If for example, 3  people here (myself included) get us to a total of 25 pcs and you only need 3 vents, then your cost will only be $55 a vent which is a real bargain!
1-4 units, $75.00
 5+ units, $ 69.00
 10+ units, $ 65.00
 25+ units, $ 55.00


If you have any questions about this purchase or the product, feel free to ask here and I will try to answer the questions to the best of my ability or refer you to Econet if I don't have the answer. If you want to participate in this group buy, please reply below with the qty and part number/size color you want. Once we get a few commitments, we will open this purchase up with Econet.


About the product:
Z-Vent Model: EV100 Z-Wave Vent/Register


Adding the Z-Vent to your Z-Wave home automation system reduces energy cost. Evenly distribute air flow for Heating or AC in your home. Automatic and intelligent control of room venting. Shut off air flow to rooms when they are unoccupied or automatic temperature control for each room. Partially open of close vent to balance air flow. The Z-Wave Z-Vent is compatible with most Z-Wave controllers and Z-Wave Control Software allowing scheduling, temperature and occupancy automation of heating or AC air flow in your home our business. Various vent sizes are available. Easy programing and setup.

Certified Modular Z-Wave Controller
Open/Closed or
Position increments of 10 degrees
U.S. Standard Frequency
Steel and Plastic construction
Requires 2 x AAA Batteries
5 standard sizes (see price list)
Intelligent position feedback (open/closed)
Battery Level feedback
Red/Green LED indicators
Pairing button (Z-Wave inclusion/exclusion)
Manual open and close buttons

Quick Start Guide can be found here:
http://econetcontrols.com/PDF/Z-Vent-Quick-Start-Guide-v3.pdf

Here is a video overview of the vent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrtpbfQjzsc

Here is a video of the vents in action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ0-Yr2ME0g

Again, here is the link to the Econet Controls.
http://econetcontrols.com/EV100.php
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: tomgru on April 29, 2015, 02:20:49 pm
this is great.. i'm totally in.  will get back to you on total number.  Interesting in that i think the last time i looked at the site, these were $100.. so they've already lowered their prices a bit.  $55 would be great.

I know there are lots of other discussions (in these forums) about controlling flow, and  thoughts on the effect that may have (negatively) on your HVAC system.  I wonder if the guys at Eco have any thoughts there on best way to setup?
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on April 29, 2015, 02:29:03 pm
this is great.. i'm totally in.  will get back to you on total number.  Interesting in that i think the last time i looked at the site, these were $100.. so they've already lowered their prices a bit.  $55 would be great.

I know there are lots of other discussions (in these forums) about controlling flow, and  thoughts on the effect that may have (negatively) on your HVAC system.  I wonder if the guys at Eco have any thoughts there on best way to setup?

Glad to have you aboard!

I think the issues pertaining to the AC system are pressure related and really would be more install and system specific. As such would be hard for them to answer since every home and system is different due to ducting, number of vents, AC size etc. In most cases, not closing vents all the way will eliminate a scenario where too much pressure builds up. Having the ability to partially close a vent such as you can with these is a viable work around. Or if you have enough vents upstairs or downstairs, then excess pressure should not be an issue either. There are other workarounds for dealing with excess pressure in the system caused by restrictions which I will elaborate further on once I talk further with my AC guy. Having said that, I will likely adjust my vents such that they only close partially but once I get the system installed, I may have my AC guy swing by and measure my AC pressure to make sure it's not an issue. Based on that, I will be able to fine tune the vents if I need to.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 01, 2015, 02:41:13 pm
this is great.. i'm totally in.  will get back to you on total number.  Interesting in that i think the last time i looked at the site, these were $100.. so they've already lowered their prices a bit.  $55 would be great.

I know there are lots of other discussions (in these forums) about controlling flow, and  thoughts on the effect that may have (negatively) on your HVAC system.  I wonder if the guys at Eco have any thoughts there on best way to setup?

I just got off the phone with my friend who is in the AC business. He does service and installs. We discussed my plan for adding the vents. The way to deal with the excess pressure that can be caused by closing too many vents is done by adding a barometric damper. It's a duct that goes between the supply side and the return side of the AC that has a damper in it that opens based on pressure. It allows the return air to cycle back to the supply side if the pressure in the system is excessive. In essence, it's a simple thing to address that reduces pressure inside the system while also reducing vent noise from closed vents. He is swinging by my house tomorrow to check the charge in my system as well as take a look at my ducting at which point I will figure out what needs to be done to add the barometric damper. I will post more once I have more info.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: rstrouse on May 01, 2015, 05:12:26 pm
This sounds very interesting.  Do you currently have any of these?  If so, do you think there is any way to mod them and run 3vdc power into them and forgo the batteries.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: jmarty32 on May 01, 2015, 09:54:36 pm
I would be interested in 2 of the EV100-6X12WH Z-Vent register for 6" x 12" mounting, white if we reach the $55.00 mark.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 02, 2015, 11:55:12 am
This sounds very interesting.  Do you currently have any of these?  If so, do you think there is any way to mod them and run 3vdc power into them and forgo the batteries.

I don't currently run them but if you are handing, I am sure you could modify the batter contacts or the wires to the batteries to accept a 3vdc power source. That said, how would you power the AC Adapter to drive it? I could see routing the wires behind the frame but most people don't have a power source behind or near their vents. With decent batteries, I don't see them running out of juice for several months or more so I don't think replacing batteries will be a huge issue. The battery/Z-Wave control module snaps in and out so swapping them on rare occasions should be fast and simple provided you have a ladder.


I would be interested in 2 of the EV100-6X12WH Z-Vent register for 6" x 12" mounting, white if we reach the $55.00 mark.

Sounds good. I don't think we are very far off from the $55 mark. Just be sure to stay subscribed to the thread and if you know anybody else with a Z-Wave HA setup, pass this thread along to them.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: BOFH on May 02, 2015, 02:47:03 pm
I have to check my registers to see if they are a supported size. If so, I'd be in for 4 if we hit $55 as well.

This may give me the ability to more fine tune cooling in my living area and master bedroom by fully opening/ mostly closing appropriate registers depending of time of day. Since all rooms in question have PIR sensors with built-in temp sensors already installed it should be easy.  Less air in the living room where the tstat is should give more air in the bedroom and make the A/C work a bit longer to achieve the desired temp in the living room. Causing the bedroom to receive more cold air and be cooler. I know it works as I've done it manually. But its a pain in the arse to manually adjust the registers on a regular basis. :)

Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 02, 2015, 04:41:42 pm
I have to check my registers to see if they are a supported size. If so, I'd be in for 4 if we hit $55 as well.

This may give me the ability to more fine tune cooling in my living area and master bedroom by fully opening/ mostly closing appropriate registers depending of time of day. Since all rooms in question have PIR sensors with built-in temp sensors already installed it should be easy.  Less air in the living room where the tstat is should give more air in the bedroom and make the A/C work a bit longer to achieve the desired temp in the living room. Causing the bedroom to receive more cold air and be cooler. I know it works as I've done it manually. But its a pain in the arse to manually adjust the registers on a regular basis. :)

Very cool that your interested in this opportunity as well.  I just had my friend over who is an AC guy and he too was very intrigued by these and was going to talk to some of his customers. I think we won't have much of an issue getting to the $55 cost on these things. Let us know if your current vents match the available sizes.

I am very happy to see this thread doesn't appear to be an effort in vain and we can collectively take advantage of this great offer.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: ykamenet on May 03, 2015, 01:45:40 pm
Kudos for doing this! I am absolutely in and will be ordering several. I will be measuring my vents tonight (or tomorrow since I am away this weekend) and will update with the quantity I need. I will be ordering at least one for each room and possibly more. Thanks!!
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: aptalca on May 03, 2015, 11:18:16 pm
Subscribed. I'll probably be in for a few
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 05, 2015, 12:59:26 pm
Sounds like we should definitely have enough to get to the $55 price point. It would be great to get a count from you guys so I know who wants what as far as sizes and qty goes. I am going to get my measurements and count tonight. Those that are serious, please post what you are looking to purchase so I can get this going for us. Once we have some definite numbers, I will circle back with the manufacturer and setup a point of contact so we can place our orders.   
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 05, 2015, 07:14:46 pm
I just removed and measured my vents. I have  few odd ball sized vents that they don't have which is just fine because I can't close all my vents anyway. The most important ones are available so that is good.

I will need the following for a total of 5 vents.

Qty 4  EVR100-6X10BR
6" x 10"

Qty 1 EVR100-6X10WH
6" x 12"


Please post your needs and I will coordinate this with Econet so you can place your order as soon as  we have a decent count.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: BOFH on May 05, 2015, 07:46:14 pm
Unfortunately my vent sizes are not available in white or at all (6x14 and 6x10) so I'm out unfortunately. The 6x14 are the crucial ones and they are not a supported size. Pity
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 05, 2015, 09:14:27 pm
Unfortunately my vent sizes are not available in white or at all (6x14 and 6x10) so I'm out unfortunately. The 6x14 are the crucial ones and they are not a supported size. Pity

I completely understand. I hear you on the 6x14's.. I could have used one or two of those myself. As for the 6x10's, they are going to supply the ones I or we need in white with a white Z-Wave control modules which just snap in.  I will paint the register myself. The registers are metal and the the vent assembly in the rear can be easily removed so a can of Krylon will fix the color just fine. I'm pretty good with paint when I take my time and the vents are a 5 minute job and will come out perfect. As such, I have no issues addressing the brown vents if they will solve my heating and cooling issues.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: BOFH on May 05, 2015, 10:11:36 pm
I would have had no problem painting but with no 6x14 vents I can't adjust my living room and kitchen area vents to push more air to my master bed room's 6x10 vent. Which is the idea. :( I'm somewhat surprised they don't carry 6x14 as it's not that unusual a size. Especially in older homes.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 06, 2015, 03:06:34 pm
I would have had no problem painting but with no 6x14 vents I can't adjust my living room and kitchen area vents to push more air to my master bed room's 6x10 vent. Which is the idea. :( I'm somewhat surprised they don't carry 6x14 as it's not that unusual a size. Especially in older homes.

I'm in a similar boat although it's not a deal breaker for me. With my master bedroom 6x12 vent, I might just add a 24v damper with an AC Power source inline on that duct and add a Z-Wave outlet in my attic that I can turn on or off to open or close the damper with the same scene that I use for my vents. I already have power in the attic so a Z-Wave outlet to control a damper would be a simple solution if I decide that having that vent open all the time causes an issue with my end goal. Fortunately the dampers are cheap enough and that particular duct line is isolated/dedicated and very easily accessed. As such, it would be a very easy DIY solution for me.  My only concern about the damper is that I have read that some of them heat up when power is applied to keep them open or closed. That is something I will have to do some more research on to determine the best damper should I need to go that route.

Like you, I was a bit surprised that the 6x12's aren't available but knowing that the demand for Z-Wave or automated vents isn't as big as one might think, it's kind of difficult for a small company to cover every vent size. Something I completely understand as I run a small company myself. Albeit a completely different industry. Fortunately for me, there is more than one way to skin this cat.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: integlikewhoa on May 06, 2015, 03:15:04 pm
I would have had no problem painting but with no 6x14 vents I can't adjust my living room and kitchen area vents to push more air to my master bed room's 6x10 vent. Which is the idea. :( I'm somewhat surprised they don't carry 6x14 as it's not that unusual a size. Especially in older homes.

I'm in a similar boat although it's not a deal breaker for me. With my master bedroom 6x12 vent, I might just add a 24v damper with an AC Power source inline on that duct and add a Z-Wave outlet in my attic that I can turn on or off to open or close the damper with the same scene that I use for my vents. I already have power in the attic so a Z-Wave outlet to control a damper would be a simple solution if I decide that having that vent open all the time causes an issue with my end goal. Fortunately the dampers are cheap enough and that particular duct line is isolated/dedicated and very easily accessed. As such, it would be a very easy DIY solution for me.  My only concern about the damper is that I have read that some of them heat up when power is applied to keep them open or closed. That is something I will have to do some more research on to determine the best damper should I need to go that route.

Like you, I was a bit surprised that the 6x12's aren't available but knowing that the demand for Z-Wave or automated vents isn't as big as one might think, it's kind of difficult for a small company to cover every vent size. Something I completely understand as I run a small company myself. Albeit a completely different industry. Fortunately for me, there is more than one way to skin this cat.

If you get to far you might as well just setup a zoned system. I installed a 4 zone honeywell controller and damper for each bed room in the house.
The Dampers are made to be powered up when the zone is active. I use these, but in different sizes. 

http://www.supplyhouse.com/Honeywell-ARD10-10-Round-Automatic-Damper-11619000-p?gclid=CjwKEAjw96aqBRDNhM6MtJfE-wYSJADiMfggE1M58XUFoxQ2vFx7rm2pwIuvyfzIJDDGwUS5C-hLFhoCGBjw_wcB

Never hear about them getting hot and they were designed for this use.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 06, 2015, 03:21:10 pm
I would have had no problem painting but with no 6x14 vents I can't adjust my living room and kitchen area vents to push more air to my master bed room's 6x10 vent. Which is the idea. :( I'm somewhat surprised they don't carry 6x14 as it's not that unusual a size. Especially in older homes.

I'm in a similar boat although it's not a deal breaker for me. With my master bedroom 6x12 vent, I might just add a 24v damper with an AC Power source inline on that duct and add a Z-Wave outlet in my attic that I can turn on or off to open or close the damper with the same scene that I use for my vents. I already have power in the attic so a Z-Wave outlet to control a damper would be a simple solution if I decide that having that vent open all the time causes an issue with my end goal. Fortunately the dampers are cheap enough and that particular duct line is isolated/dedicated and very easily accessed. As such, it would be a very easy DIY solution for me.  My only concern about the damper is that I have read that some of them heat up when power is applied to keep them open or closed. That is something I will have to do some more research on to determine the best damper should I need to go that route.

Like you, I was a bit surprised that the 6x12's aren't available but knowing that the demand for Z-Wave or automated vents isn't as big as one might think, it's kind of difficult for a small company to cover every vent size. Something I completely understand as I run a small company myself. Albeit a completely different industry. Fortunately for me, there is more than one way to skin this cat.

If you get to far you might as well just setup a zoned system. I installed a 4 zone honeywell controller and damper for each bed room in the house.
The Dampers are made to be powered up when the zone is active. I use these, but in different sizes. 

http://www.supplyhouse.com/Honeywell-ARD10-10-Round-Automatic-Damper-11619000-p?gclid=CjwKEAjw96aqBRDNhM6MtJfE-wYSJADiMfggE1M58XUFoxQ2vFx7rm2pwIuvyfzIJDDGwUS5C-hLFhoCGBjw_wcB

Never hear about them getting hot and they were designed for this use.

I looked at going that route but will all the lines, duct sizes and the mess of ducts I have, it got really expensive in a hurry. The current route with the Econet vents and even a additional damper should I need it will be a fraction of the cost. Heck, the whole setup will cost me less than $600 with the 5 or 6 vents, an additional 24v damper, z-wave switch and a barometric bypass damper. With the route I am going, I can use my Ecobee3 thermostat and take advantage of the additional temp senors that I got with my Ecobee once the updated Ecobee/Vera plugin is released.  Going the full multi zone setup with dedicated dampers runs into the thousands when it's all said and done.

These Econet vents add a level of simplicity that a traditional damper based zoned system doesn't and does so at a fraction of the cost. All while being able to control it via our Vera's using scenes and our existing thermostats.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: tomgru on May 07, 2015, 11:02:05 am
I'm 4x10.  I need these in both white and brown/wood.  surprised they come in that size, but only white, where all others come in brown as well?

there are apparently Decorative home automation floor, wall and ceiling registers/vents, Avialable March 2015  :-)

Any news on these?

THANKS
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 07, 2015, 11:15:12 am
I'm 4x10.  I need these in both white and brown/wood.  surprised they come in that size, but only white, where all others come in brown as well?

there are apparently Decorative home automation floor, wall and ceiling registers/vents, Avialable March 2015  :-)

Any news on these?

THANKS

The decorative ones from what I understand are still upwards of a month out (possibly more) and will start in very limited sizes. I forgot what size will hit the market first but they will be released  one size at a time and spaced a couple months apart between sizes. As with any new product release, things rarely go as planned as far as release dates which judging by the target release in March, appears to be the case here.

With regards to the brown ones, he can supply the Z-Wave module in brown with the white registers. Then all you need to do is paint the register. How many brown ones were you thinking? I will talk to him and see if there is anything he can do. You could get creative and add a faux wood finish to the register and snaz it up a bit. There are a few easy techniques for doing that. Here is a video of one such technique.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEFyv1-kEng
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: tomgru on May 07, 2015, 11:26:28 am
I'm 4x10.  I need these in both white and brown/wood.  surprised they come in that size, but only white, where all others come in brown as well?

there are apparently Decorative home automation floor, wall and ceiling registers/vents, Avialable March 2015  :-)

Any news on these?

THANKS

ok... that helps.   i'm in for

5 total, all 4x10
3 with white zwave mods
2 with brown zwave mods.

thanks!

The decorative ones from what I understand are still upwards of a month out (possibly more) and will start in very limited sizes. I forgot what size will hit the market first but they will be released  one size at a time and spaced a couple months apart between sizes. As with any new product release, things rarely go as planned as far as release dates which judging by the target release in March, appears to be the case here.

With regards to the brown ones, he can supply the Z-Wave module in brown with the white registers. Then all you need to do is paint the register. How many brown ones were you thinking? I will talk to him and see if there is anything he can do. You could get creative and add a faux wood finish to the register and snaz it up a bit. There are a few easy techniques for doing that. Here is a video of one such technique.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEFyv1-kEng
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 07, 2015, 11:34:27 am
Sounds good. That's 10 between you and I.. Hopefully we can get a few others to commit so we can get to our target cost.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: jmarty32 on May 07, 2015, 10:20:31 pm
Slief,

Where are you will this? Have you hit the 25 mark yet? In a previous post i stated i would purchase 2.

Thanks
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 07, 2015, 10:58:47 pm
Slief,

Where are you will this? Have you hit the 25 mark yet? In a previous post i stated i would purchase 2.

Thanks

Not at the 25 mark yet. So far we have 12 committed for including your two. We are about half way there right now but it's only been a week. I need to talk to my AC guy as he expressed interest in some as well although he knows nothing about home automation.  He'd defer on me for the HA integration. I'm not holding my breath with him though. We will give it a bit more time here and see who else commits and then I will talk further with Econet if we fall short. If I were active on other HA forums, I'd lure them here but unfortunately this is the only HA forum I participate in. 
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: shallowearth on May 08, 2015, 03:26:05 am
I really need a hard wired version (not battery powered).  I have a couple of registered that I need to control that are in very hard to reach ares (under furniture that is not movable, between furniture etc), so having to fiddle with changing batteries that I only adjust frequently in the spring and Fall, is a non starter.  All my vents are near outlets would love to see if there is a simple power conversion to allow battery free operation, I would definite buy several if that is the case.
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Post by: slief on May 08, 2015, 10:36:53 am
I really need a hard wired version (not battery powered).  I have a couple of registered that I need to control that are in very hard to reach ares (under furniture that is not movable, between furniture etc), so having to fiddle with changing batteries that I only adjust frequently in the spring and Fall, is a non starter.  All my vents are near outlets would love to see if there is a simple power conversion to allow battery free operation, I would definite buy several if that is the case.

If you are remotely handy, you could easily hardwire a 3V AC adapter into the Z-wave module. You would need to drill a hole through the battery cover and solder the positive wire to the positive terminal and the negative to the negative terminal inside the module. It would take me about 5 minutes to as I am really competent when it comes to soldering and DC wiring. I would probably take it a step further and add a female jack to the battery cover so the AC Adapter could plug right in but given that the AC Adapter plugs into an outlet, that isn't really needed. Anyway, if you are serious about not needing batteries, this is all you would need to make it happen. If you are weary about soldering or don't have somebody that could do it for you, I'd be happy to help as long as you cover the AC Adapter cost and shipping of the vents. I get Amazon prime so it wouldn't cost me anything to ship the AC adapters.
http://www.amazon.com/3V-Adapter-Power-5-5-2-1mm/dp/B009SNGQXU     
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Post by: slief on May 08, 2015, 10:54:48 am
I really need a hard wired version (not battery powered).  I have a couple of registered that I need to control that are in very hard to reach ares (under furniture that is not movable, between furniture etc), so having to fiddle with changing batteries that I only adjust frequently in the spring and Fall, is a non starter.  All my vents are near outlets would love to see if there is a simple power conversion to allow battery free operation, I would definite buy several if that is the case.

Here are a couple other alternatives that wouldn't require any soldering but get more costly.

This is a turnkey Dual AAA (3v) battery eliminator kit. This would essentially be plug and play with the Econet vents.
http://www.batteryeliminatorstore.com/index.php?id_product=30&controller=product

This is another alternative. This one has two battery eliminators AC adapters in it but it's designed for 3 AAA batteries. You could use this kit to cover two Econet vents only you would use 1 dummy battery in each one along with their AC Input battery. You would however need to pair it with the 3V AC Adapter I mentioned in my previous post. It would cost you about $52 total to power two Econet vents without having to do any soldering. Personally, I like the $6 AC Adapter and soldering route but obviously that is not for everybody.
http://www.amazon.com/Power-Battery-Eliminator-Lanterns-Candles/dp/B00JPYQJCU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431096411&sr=8-1&keywords=battery+eliminator+2+AAA
 

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Post by: ServiceXp on May 08, 2015, 11:24:32 am
I just wanted to warn you guys about using these dampers without installing a return bypass system (correctly balanced). You reduce the air flow enough you could get liquid refrigerant flooding back to the compressor, which will cause damage over time.
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Post by: slief on May 08, 2015, 11:43:26 am
I just wanted to warn you guys about using these dampers without installing a return bypass system (correctly balanced). You reduce the air flow enough you could get liquid refrigerant flooding back to the compressor, which will cause damage over time.

Yep, You definitely don't want to block off too many vents at once if you don't have a bypass. This was touched upon on the previous page.  I will be installing a barometric bypass damper. They are cheap and easy to install in most systems. Granted, I will only be blocking off a few vents at a time so I likely won't need it but I will have one at my disposal should I need one. The other alternative if you have a lot of vents that will be closing at once is to not close the vents all the way. Fortunately with these vents, you have the option of opening or closing in 10% increments so you could reduce the pressure in the plenum by not closing all the vents or at least not certain vents all the way. The upside to the bypass damper is that it can actually make the AC system more efficient because the cold air inside the AC or Hot air for that matter is recycled through the system via the bypass. The end result is that the air coming from the vents is colder or warmer depending on whether you are in cooling mode or heating mode.

For anybody who is concerned, this is a decent instructional video on installing a barometric bypass damper. They install between the supply and return side of the AC.. In my system, the install would take me less than 20 minutes. I have an AC installer who is a good friend of mine and we discussed this at length. Fortunately it isn't a big deal on my system and for me, the added zone type control with these vents is well worth the effort. 
http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/video/0,,20504377,00.html

For reference, this is a barometric bypass damper. They can be had less at some AC Supply places. I'm able to get them locally for about $50.00
http://www.discounthomeautomation.com/RCS-Round-Barometric-Bypass-Damper-12-Inch-RC12RDB?CAWELAID=120154320000000385&CAGPSPN=pla&catargetid=120154320000144124&cadevice=c&gclid=COiXwYa9ssUCFVIV7Aodx2kApA
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Post by: NickTheGreat on May 08, 2015, 12:18:50 pm
This is a neat idea.  Anybody have any actual experience with them? 

It seems that you could make a poor man's zoned AC with this.  Maybe not all that "poor man" but it could be done  ;)
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Post by: slief on May 08, 2015, 01:05:34 pm
This is a neat idea.  Anybody have any actual experience with them? 

It seems that you could make a poor man's zoned AC with this.  Maybe not all that "poor man" but it could be done  ;)

There have been a number of reviews on other forums. Most particularly the SmartThings forum and all the reviews were really pretty good. I do agree that they are a pretty good idea. I toyed with doing the same thing using dampers but that gets really expensive and much more complicated. With home automation and Z-Wave, this is a much more simplistic approach that is exponentially more affordable. Especially at the cost we are talking about for the vents.
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Post by: slief on May 18, 2015, 04:18:52 pm
Just wanted to give this thread a bump to see if anybody else wants in on this group buy. I'd like to wrap this up within the next week or so. Since we may not meet the 25 pc price point, I will talk to Econet to see what can be done regarding the price as I think our success here with these vents will certainly compel others to buy these Econet vents and thus generate future sales for Econet.
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Post by: BOFH on May 18, 2015, 05:28:38 pm
If you can convince them to make me 2x 6x14 vents, you can add 4 vents (2x 6x14 and 2x 6x10) to the group order. ;)
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Post by: McPostal on May 18, 2015, 08:35:19 pm
I'm in for 7 6x12 brown (EV100-6X12BR).
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Post by: kyb2012 on May 19, 2015, 03:03:32 am
I'm in for 4 white 4x10 units.
If I can get a 4x10 unit in brown, then I'll take 1 of those as well, otherwise 1 more 4x10 white one, but with a brown controller.
So, 5 in total.

I also need some 3x10s, if I could get then at the group price.
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Post by: squatingyeti on May 19, 2015, 08:40:39 am
Just saw this thread. I need to measure some vents tonight, but I'm likely in for 3 pending size availability. I'll let you know tonight.
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Post by: slief on May 19, 2015, 10:39:27 am
I'm in for 4 white 4x10 units.
If I can get a 4x10 unit in brown, then I'll take 1 of those as well, otherwise 1 more 4x10 white one, but with a brown controller.
So, 5 in total.

I also need some 3x10s, if I could get then at the group price.
I don't think they have any 3x10's at this time.

Just saw this thread. I need to measure some vents tonight, but I'm likely in for 3 pending size availability. I'll let you know tonight.

Sounds good. Please let us know.
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Post by: slief on May 19, 2015, 10:40:57 am
It looks like we will get these at the $55 price point. Anybody else who has not committed, please double check your sizes and let us know. If you are on the list below and changed your mind, please let us know. If I missed something let me know. Once I have the totals, I will relay the info to Econet. Based on my conversation with them, they will provide us a code to use on their website to place the orders. I will update once I have the totals and make the arrangement with them.

To confirm where we are at:
Slief:
Qty 4  EVR100-6X10BR 6" x 10" Brown (White Module)
Qty 1 EVR100-6X12WH 6" x 12" White

JMarty32 (@$55)
Qty 2  EV100-6X12WH 6" x 12" White

tomgru
Qty 4   EVR100-4X10BR 4" x 10" Brown (White Module)
Qty 2   EVR100-4X10BR 4" x 10" Brown (Brn Module)

McPostal
Qty 7  EV100-6X12BR 6"x12" Brown

kyb2012
Qty 4 EV100-4X10WH
Qty 1 EV100-4X10Wh (Brown Controller) Prefers brown register if avail.
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Post by: tomgru on May 19, 2015, 11:08:19 am
It looks like we will get these at the $55 price point. Anybody else who has not committed, please double check your sizes and let us know. If you are on the list below and changed your mind, please let us know. If I missed something let me know. Once I have the totals, I will relay the info to Econet. Based on my conversation with them, they will provide us a code to use on their website to place the orders. I will update once I have the totals and make the arrangement with them.

To confirm where we are at:


tomgru
Qty 3   EVR100-4X10BR 6" x 10" Brown (White Module)
Qty 2   EVR100-4X10BR 6" x 10" Brown (Brn Module)



Er... NOPE   ;D  Close  (added one more as well.)

Qty 4  EVR100-4X10BR 4" x 10" WHITE (White Module)
Qty 2  EVR100-4X10BR 6" x 10" WHITE (Brn Module)
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Post by: slief on May 19, 2015, 11:16:29 am
It looks like we will get these at the $55 price point. Anybody else who has not committed, please double check your sizes and let us know. If you are on the list below and changed your mind, please let us know. If I missed something let me know. Once I have the totals, I will relay the info to Econet. Based on my conversation with them, they will provide us a code to use on their website to place the orders. I will update once I have the totals and make the arrangement with them.

To confirm where we are at:


tomgru
Qty 3   EVR100-4X10BR 6" x 10" Brown (White Module)
Qty 2   EVR100-4X10BR 6" x 10" Brown (Brn Module)



Er... NOPE   ;D  Close  (added one more as well.)

Qty 4  EVR100-4X10BR 4" x 10" WHITE (White Module)
Qty 2  EVR100-4X10BR 6" x 10" WHITE (Brn Module)
Noted above. Thanks for the heads up.

Where we stand now:

To confirm where we are at:
Slief:
Qty 4  EVR100-6X10BR 6" x 10" Brown (White Module)
Qty 1 EVR100-6X10WH 6" x 12" White

JMarty32 (@$55)
Qty 2  EV100-6X12WH 6" x 12" White

tomgru
Qty 4   EVR100-4X10BR 4" x 10" Brown (White Module)
Qty 2   EVR100-4X10BR 4" x 10" Brown (Brn Module)

McPostal
Qty 7  EV100-6X12BR 6"x12" Brown

kyb2012
Qty 4 EV100-4X10WH
Qty 1 EV100-4X10WH (Brown Module) Prefers brown register if avail.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: AgileHumor on May 19, 2015, 11:23:29 am
I have 9 of these for the last 2 years.

I'm also missing 6x14 for my two most important zones...making the system not really work as expected.

Regarding a post that mentioned closing these partially will reduce air flow when not closed 100%, it won't.  You need to consider these open or closed as the middle doesn't really keep 50% of air back...it's more like 1%.

Also, my main problem is they don't close completely all the time.

PS - Gotta install a bypass i guess (and will reduce the air vent noise when too many closed).  Any diagrams for this?
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Post by: slief on May 19, 2015, 11:28:19 am
I have 9 of these for the last 2 years.

I'm also missing 6x14 for my two most important zones...making the system not really work as expected.

Regarding a post that mentioned closing these partially will reduce air flow when not closed 100%, it won't.  You need to consider these open or closed as the middle doesn't really keep 50% of air back...it's more like 1%.

Also, my main problem is they don't close completely all the time.

PS - Gotta install a bypass i guess (and will reduce the air vent noise when too many closed).  Any diagrams for this?

Here is a video on installing a bypass damper. It's very straight forward. The bypass damper should also help when partially closing a vent as it would reduce pressure in the system. I wonder if that has anything to do with why some of yours didn't close all the way. Have you spoke with Econet about that? 
http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/video/0,,20504377,00.html
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Post by: tomgru on May 19, 2015, 01:57:08 pm
tomgru
Qty 4   EVR100-4X10BR 6" x 10" Brown (White Module)
Qty 2   EVR100-4X10BR 6" x 10" Brown (Brn Module)

McPostal

DUDE DUDE DUDE.... WHITE 4x10's!!!!!!!!  4 with white module, 2 with brown module   ;D
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Post by: slief on May 19, 2015, 02:22:00 pm
tomgru
Qty 4   EVR100-4X10BR 6" x 10" Brown (White Module)
Qty 2   EVR100-4X10BR 6" x 10" Brown (Brn Module)

McPostal

DUDE DUDE DUDE.... WHITE 4x10's!!!!!!!!  4 with white module, 2 with brown module   ;D

It's been a long stressful morning..  Thank god you don't have to worry about me placing your order! You will get to do that yourself.  I could screw up a wet dream right now! LMAO!! I was cutting and pasting and evidently not thinking clearly. 
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Post by: slief on May 19, 2015, 02:27:37 pm
tomgru
Qty 4   EVR100-4X10BR 6" x 10" Brown (White Module)
Qty 2   EVR100-4X10BR 6" x 10" Brown (Brn Module)

McPostal

DUDE DUDE DUDE.... WHITE 4x10's!!!!!!!!  4 with white module, 2 with brown module 

I edited my post. I should have it correct now. Not sure how I screwed the description up but I was copying and pasting while editing part numbers so at least I got part of it right!  ;D
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Post by: squatingyeti on May 19, 2015, 03:15:45 pm
Quick question on measurement. Am I measuring my previous vent or the opening? Sorry to sound stupid.
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Post by: slief on May 19, 2015, 04:22:59 pm
Quick question on measurement. Am I measuring my previous vent or the opening? Sorry to sound stupid.

Yes, the best way to measure is to remove the vent and measure the opening from end to end. By the way, not a stupid question at all. I made the mistake of measuring the outside of my registers when I was first looking at these vents and was corrected by Econet as to the correct way to measure.
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Post by: slief on May 20, 2015, 04:29:43 pm
OK Guys. I spoke with Econet and we have enough vents secured and are good to go at the $55 price point. Once I green light this, I will post the link to the Econet online store along with a discount code here that will be good for a handful of days. You will use that code when your place your order on the Econet site and the discount will be applied to your order. When you place your order, you will have to note in the comments field if you want a different color module.

I figure I will give this another couple days in case there are others that want to take advantage of this great offer. Anybody else who is interested, please post here and let us know what you want so I can add it to the list.

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Post by: ykamenet on May 20, 2015, 09:47:51 pm
I stated before that I am very interested, and I still am. Unfortunately my thermostat - Bryant Evolution Connex WiFi thermostat that came with my new Briant Evolution system, can not be currently controlled via Vera; only via proprietary Bryant app. It is also non-standard which means I can not (or rather should not) replace it with another z-wave thermostat because I will loose a lot of features and diagnostics that original touch screen thermostat provides. Without being able to integrate thermostat control into my Vera, these vents will not provide all the benefits I was hoping for unfortunately. I need a lot of them - probably at least 10 - 15 for my whole house, but making an investment like this without controlling the thermostat is a half-ass solution. So unfortunately I will have to pass for now until there is a plugin for my system.   
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Post by: slief on May 20, 2015, 10:32:13 pm
I stated before that I am very interested, and I still am. Unfortunately my thermostat - Bryant Evolution Connex WiFi thermostat that came with my new Briant Evolution system, can not be currently controlled via Vera; only via proprietary Bryant app. It is also non-standard which means I can not (or rather should not) replace it with another z-wave thermostat because I will loose a lot of features and diagnostics that original touch screen thermostat provides. Without being able to integrate thermostat control into my Vera, these vents will not provide all the benefits I was hoping for unfortunately. I need a lot of them - probably at least 10 - 15 for my whole house, but making an investment like this without controlling the thermostat is a half-ass solution. So unfortunately I will have to pass for now until there is a plugin for my system.

Completely understandable. I am running an Ecobee which is somewhat controllable via Vera. At least until the new plugin becomes available. In the short term, my goal will be just to create an upstairs scene and a down stairs scene that would just control the vents. I will manage the temps through the Ecobee app. At least in the short term. Fortunataly, the Ecobee has an external temp sensor that I can carry with me upstairs or downstairs. While I have multiple temp sensors, I am only going to use the one to start until I get more familiar with the programming. I also don't use my AC and heat often so just being able to push a button to close or open the upstairs or downstairs vents will be a major improvement in my heating and cooling efficiency. As such, I don't really care if I Vera controls my temps and vents. Just being able to control my vents is a MAJOR improvement over my current situation which lacks any zone type control at all. I see no need to heat or cool the upstairs when I am downstairs or vice versa. That is just a waste of power and the vents will provide a very good solution to that issue regardless of how I control the temps themselves. That said, it seems to me, you could still really benifit from these vents too even if you are only controlling the vents. You could take it a step further and use geofencing or a beacon to control the zones.. Just food for thought.
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Post by: integlikewhoa on May 20, 2015, 10:57:36 pm
I guess I'm the only one seeing a problem with closing off several vents at a time let along all up stairs or all down stairs vents.

I have a 4 zone system installed by myself. Alot of calculation goes into setting up the system along with extra components like Bypass dampers, and temp sensors in the plenum. Further testing is done after with a static pressure check to make sure inlet and exhaust duct and gill sizing was done right and no restrictions in the system. 

If you close off several vents you disrupt the air flow. Pressure builds on the outlet side and airflow slows down threw the coil and heater. When pressure builds you loose efficiency, cause damage to ducts and leaks. When the air slows down the coil starts to freeze, if your heating the heater gets too hot. They are sized to have a certain CFM of air across them. 

A zone system has a bypass damper to keep the air moving by opening when the pressure builds and reusing the air again, never slowing it down threw the unit. All zone systems also come with a sensor to monitor temp coming out of the unit to make sure it's not getting to high or low as a saftey.

The other thing is the system gets noisy when you try to close off half the ducts. In the open ducts air flow speeds up creating noise in the rooms.

For the guys that are trying to buy like 8-10 of these I would suggest you look into how the a/c works a bit more your gonna have problems. For the guys that have one unused room that your closing off, you should see no problem.
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Post by: tomgru on May 21, 2015, 12:04:45 am
For the guys that are trying to buy like 8-10 of these I would suggest you look into how the a/c works a bit more your gonna have problems. For the guys that have one unused room that your closing off, you should see no problem.

this is good advice, and I think this is the key point. My plan is to only control a few different vents at a time. I've already turned many "down" just by closing off the internal metal damper inside the vent.  this gives me control over that.  For example, when the slider is open downstairs, close the vent that is right next to it. 

When it is night time, i'll likely close the vent in the office at the front of the house that gets direct sun, and has the most temp requirement for the tstat.  ...etc etc.

Agree to be careful about closing off an entire floor, etc.
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Post by: squatingyeti on May 21, 2015, 08:09:58 am
I just noticed a problem that will probably stop me from being able to use these. My vents are in the ceiling and use a screw to hold them up there. It doesn't appear these can be ceiling mounted. I can't tell based on their website.
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Post by: tomgru on May 21, 2015, 09:48:12 am
I just noticed a problem that will probably stop me from being able to use these. My vents are in the ceiling and use a screw to hold them up there. It doesn't appear these can be ceiling mounted. I can't tell based on their website.

Watch the video... they show theirs in ceilings using magnets.
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Post by: slief on May 21, 2015, 10:38:57 am
I guess I'm the only one seeing a problem with closing off several vents at a time let along all up stairs or all down stairs vents.

I have a 4 zone system installed by myself. Alot of calculation goes into setting up the system along with extra components like Bypass dampers, and temp sensors in the plenum. Further testing is done after with a static pressure check to make sure inlet and exhaust duct and gill sizing was done right and no restrictions in the system. 

If you close off several vents you disrupt the air flow. Pressure builds on the outlet side and airflow slows down threw the coil and heater. When pressure builds you loose efficiency, cause damage to ducts and leaks. When the air slows down the coil starts to freeze, if your heating the heater gets too hot. They are sized to have a certain CFM of air across them. 

A zone system has a bypass damper to keep the air moving by opening when the pressure builds and reusing the air again, never slowing it down threw the unit. All zone systems also come with a sensor to monitor temp coming out of the unit to make sure it's not getting to high or low as a safety.

The other thing is the system gets noisy when you try to close off half the ducts. In the open ducts air flow speeds up creating noise in the rooms.

For the guys that are trying to buy like 8-10 of these I would suggest you look into how the a/c works a bit more your gonna have problems. For the guys that have one unused room that your closing off, you should see no problem.

I for one will be installing a bypass damper (as discussed earlier in this thread) even if I don't need it which in my case, I don't think I do. Since it's a very simple & inexpensive install, at least for me and it will eliminate any built up pressure, I am going to put one in.  That said, I already have a handful of vents closed off and those vents will be replaced with the z-wave ones. I also won't be closing off all vents at once upstairs or down stairs at any given time. My master bedroom and master batch uses a vent that is larger then they supply and I have a few vents downstairs that also are of a size that Econet doesn't currently support. For my master bedroom, I may put a 24v damper in the duct and install a Z-Wave outlet in the attic to control that vent.

That said, your points are valid and if you are closing off a lot of vents at one time, the bypass damper is a good thing to install. It also has the upside of making the system more efficient by further cooling or heating the air due to recirculating it through the system. I had a long conversation about this scenario with a good friend who is an AC installer and he looked at my system and while we agree that it's probably not needed in my case, it will only improve things and help me accomplish my goal of making my system much more efficient without having to spend thousands on redoing everything.
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Post by: slief on May 21, 2015, 10:43:02 am
I just noticed a problem that will probably stop me from being able to use these. My vents are in the ceiling and use a screw to hold them up there. It doesn't appear these can be ceiling mounted. I can't tell based on their website.

No need to worry. There are plastic covers that cover the screw holes so you don't see them but they are there just like any other AC register. You remove the little covers and insert your screws like you would a normal vent. You can use magnet tape but screws are best. 
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Post by: squatingyeti on May 21, 2015, 01:09:21 pm
I just noticed a problem that will probably stop me from being able to use these. My vents are in the ceiling and use a screw to hold them up there. It doesn't appear these can be ceiling mounted. I can't tell based on their website.

No need to worry. There are plastic covers that cover the screw holes so you don't see them but they are there just like any other AC register. You remove the little covers and insert your screws like you would a normal vent. You can use magnet tape but screws are best.
Ah perfect. I was a little disappointed. I figured most people doing home automation live in homes and have vents on the floor, but I didn't want to be left out. I'm definitely in for at least 2 trying to decide if I'll use 3 in my setup.
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Post by: slief on May 21, 2015, 01:11:45 pm
I just noticed a problem that will probably stop me from being able to use these. My vents are in the ceiling and use a screw to hold them up there. It doesn't appear these can be ceiling mounted. I can't tell based on their website.

No need to worry. There are plastic covers that cover the screw holes so you don't see them but they are there just like any other AC register. You remove the little covers and insert your screws like you would a normal vent. You can use magnet tape but screws are best.
Ah perfect. I was a little disappointed. I figured most people doing home automation live in homes and have vents on the floor, but I didn't want to be left out. I'm definitely in for at least 2 trying to decide if I'll use 3 in my setup.
Sounds good. Just post what you want to order and you will be added to the list. I figure I will keep this open through the weekend and post up the ordering info on Tuesday so we can all place our orders.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: bx20852 on May 21, 2015, 03:34:20 pm
OK Guys. I spoke with Econet and we have enough vents secured and are good to go at the $55 price point.

While talking to Econet, have you asked them if they can sell at a discount just white Z-Wave modules without registry fixture itself? I have some Vent-Misers already in my house that I don't want to replace, and it seems that Econet uses the same registry fixture as Vent-Miser. I believe that I can just replace the Vent-Miser's timer module with the Econet's Z-wave one, and get it work...
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: shallowearth on May 21, 2015, 07:56:45 pm
slief, thanks for all the links about how to convert this thing to A/C power... I am definitely in for a few of these.  If I have to crawl behind my couch and wedge my arm under it one more time to adjust the vent I am going to lose my mind!  Never having to mess with the vent again is awesome!

I will do some measuring of the few obscure vents I have that need some automated control and post that back tonight..  It will likely be 2 to 4 (how they always manage to put the vent where you are going to put furniture is beyond me)
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 21, 2015, 09:23:49 pm
slief, thanks for all the links about how to convert this thing to A/C power... I am definitely in for a few of these.  If I have to crawl behind my couch and wedge my arm under it one more time to adjust the vent I am going to lose my mind!  Never having to mess with the vent again is awesome!

I will do some measuring of the few obscure vents I have that need some automated control and post that back tonight..  It will likely be 2 to 4 (how they always manage to put the vent where you are going to put furniture is beyond me)

LOL.. I pity you! I don't have a single vent anywhere near the floor. As to the AC power.. Glad to help. That part would actually be a fun project. Not sure about you but I like doing that kind of stuff.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: shallowearth on May 22, 2015, 02:25:09 am
Do you have any info about the decorative v2 version of these that are suppose to be available this month?  They match my existing vents and look a little nicer, they don't have a lot of details on them yet.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 22, 2015, 11:02:56 am
Do you have any info about the decorative v2 version of these that are suppose to be available this month?  They match my existing vents and look a little nicer, they don't have a lot of details on them yet.
I mentioned it earlier in this thread. The decorative ones from what I understand are still upwards of a month out (possibly more) and will start in very limited sizes. I forgot what size will hit the market first but they will be released  one size at a time and spaced a couple months apart between sizes. As with any new product release, things rarely go as planned as far as release dates which judging by the target release in March, appears to be the case here.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: shallowearth on May 22, 2015, 11:09:29 am
Cool, I will go with 3 4x10 Browns ( if they have them otherwise all white).  Save the one visible but hard to get one for a later time.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 22, 2015, 11:16:40 am
Cool, I will go with 3 4x10 Browns ( if they have them otherwise all white).  Save the one visible but hard to get one for a later time.

Sounds great. Lets plan on opening up the group purchase on Tuesday of next week. I will get ahold of Econet then and have them generate the code needed for the discount. I figure we will leave the code active for 5-7 days so that anybody that catches this late can still take advantage of this opportunity along with anybody else that happens to stumble across this thread.

Thanks again for your participation. I think this is going to work out great for all those interested and I am also hoping that between all of us, we can come up with some good code for our Vera's so that we can use them in conjunction with our temp settings. I am new to Vera and still don't understand PLEG and Lua code so I am going to be doing my best to learn from you guys much like many others here. In the short term, I will be happy just to have a scene that closes the ones down stairs or the ones upstairs but I know there is much more that can be done as far as Vera integration so I am up for the challenge!
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: Marc Shenker on May 22, 2015, 12:32:01 pm
This is interesting. I have been looking at these for some time and this would make an interesting how to create a multi-zone HVAC system video for our YouTube channel. . If someone uses these to create a multizone HVAC system I would be curious about to hear about the results.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 22, 2015, 12:47:33 pm
This is interesting. I have been looking at these for some time and this would make an interesting how to create a multi-zone HVAC system video for our YouTube channel. . If someone uses these to create a multizone HVAC system I would be curious about to hear about the results.
Marc,
I am sure you will hear plenty. Once we kick this group buy off, I will likely start another dedicated thread where we can share our setups and configuration. I know there will be much to learn as far as creating more complex scenes so I think a dedicated thread will be helpful to many of us that are new to Vera or aren't fluent in Pleg or lua code. I will start that thread sometime late next week in the temp/monitoring section. I am sure between all of us, we should be able to provide you with lots of feedback to help create a good how to video. Having said that, since you are man behind many of the Vera Video's, perhaps you should join the group buy and pick up a few of these vents. I am sure we could all learn a thing or two from you as well!  ;)
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 26, 2015, 11:50:21 am
Good morning everybody! I hope you all had a great weekend! I have let Econet know that we are ready to open up the group buy. They will set it up on their website and provide me the discount code which I will post here. I should have it posted later  today if not first thing tomorrow. Stay tuned!
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: Marc Shenker on May 26, 2015, 04:07:04 pm

Marc,
I am sure you will hear plenty. Once we kick this group buy off, I will likely start another dedicated thread where we can share our setups and configuration. I know there will be much to learn as far as creating more complex scenes so I think a dedicated thread will be helpful to many of us that are new to Vera or aren't fluent in Pleg or lua code. I will start that thread sometime late next week in the temp/monitoring section. I am sure between all of us, we should be able to provide you with lots of feedback to help create a good how to video. Having said that, since you are man behind many of the Vera Video's, perhaps you should join the group buy and pick up a few of these vents. I am sure we could all learn a thing or two from you as well!  ;)

Keep me in the loop but I can't commit to buying them now. I/we will get with Econet when the timing is right but include me in the group that you create, email me directly if necessary with the info. Most of the summer's production schedule is full. What I am thinking in terms of doing is a creating a multi-zone HVAC system with out having to invest in a second HVAC system. I think based on whats already slotted in to the schedule and what I have going on with my home it would be a fall video. There are some logic things to consider and workout as well if I was to implement this the way that I would want to in my home.

I'm looking forward to hearing about everyone's experiences and applications. That is one of the things that I love about what I do, no two deployments are the same and we all come up with solutions to our own problems that can then be shared with others and they may then get anepiphany from that idea. I hope to get a video done before I move about Z-Wave light bulbs and a unique application that I came up with out of need that Colin, our Sr. Director of Product Development, had never thought of and he heard that ding, ding, ding when I told about my application.

The challenge that see there is how to manage which device
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 27, 2015, 10:25:57 am
The group buy is now open and will be until June 3rd. The 6x10 browns and the 6x12 whites are missing from the page below. Give it an hour and they will be available.

The discount code  is: Vera1506

Got to:
http://starlinepc.com/index.php/z-wave/vents-registers.html

It processes a $20.00 discount to each vent which will reduce the price of $75.00 to $55.00.

Go to ?Edit Cart? before check out and apply the discount code. 

For customers that want a white controller for the 6x10 brown vent, make a note in the field for the fax number as ?White Controller?

Thanks for participating in this group buy! We will setup a separate thread in this section of the forum so we can share our configurations, idea's and any other relevant info pertaining to our setup.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 27, 2015, 10:59:59 am
The missing vents have now been added to the website. I just placed my order. If any of you have any issues getting your order in or have any special requirements, feel free to message me and I will get you in contact with Blake.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: McPostal on May 27, 2015, 11:18:08 am
Thanks! My order is in.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: kyb2012 on May 28, 2015, 10:22:14 am
I bought 5.  Thanks for setting this up.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: tomgru on May 28, 2015, 11:15:42 am
Done... thanks for setting up. I just HOPE that actually look at the fax field :-)
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: NickTheGreat on May 28, 2015, 11:19:25 am
A little late but I'm seeing a need for this now that it's warmer out!  I'm gonna order some most likely!
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 28, 2015, 11:23:09 am
A little late but I'm seeing a need for this now that it's warmer out!  I'm gonna order some most likely!

You aren't late at all. As long as the order gets in before the discount expires next week, you are fine! It's certainly a great opportunity.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: mrv777 on May 30, 2015, 09:02:55 pm
Thanks!  Just noticed this and ordered 2 to try out  :)
Now I just need a good Motion and Temp combo sensor for the room and I'll be all good  :)
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 30, 2015, 09:33:21 pm
Thanks!  Just noticed this and ordered 2 to try out  :)
Now I just need a good Motion and Temp combo sensor for the room and I'll be all good  :)

Welcome to the group. As of Friday we generated well over 30 vent sales. Not bad at all! Especially considering the number is still growing. I think we should have a real good group of users here to share information and settings. Being a Vera Newbie (relatively speaking) myself, I'm looking forward to putting these things to good use and learning a bit more about programming from some of you with much more Vera knowledge. Summer here is So. Cal is nipping at the front door. I'm really looking forward to making my AC system more efficient, saving some money in doing so and using it more than I normally do as a result.

I want to thank everybody who has contributed to this group buy. I'm normally a really thrifty shopper and together we were all able to save a good chunk of money to make this really affordable. I also want to thank Econet for for supporting this group buy. Having been very proactive on other forums over the years and having participated in other group buys, I figured it was a shot in the dark when I approached them. They were very receptive idea and in the end, I think it's benefited all parties. Blake, if you are reading this, thank you again for making this possible. 

I will start a seperate thread next week so we have a place here to share information about how we are using them and so we have a thread to learn from eachother with regards to our implementation, programming etc.

If you have already placed your order, post here so we know who is in on the group buy!

Thanks again everybody!
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 30, 2015, 09:49:21 pm
As a side note, I will be installing a barometric damper in my system once I get the vents. For those that are interested, I will be documenting the install and will post that to the Econet thread that I'll be starting next week. My only concern is the image size limitation on the forum when attaching pictures. Is there a better way to embed photos here on the forum? Normally I use photobucket IMG files to embed photos on other forums but that doesn't seem to work on this forum. Any advice on that would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: tomgru on May 31, 2015, 11:12:24 am
@slief, thanks again for setting this up. Do you have any idea how soon they ship orders?
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: BrianLBeaton on May 31, 2015, 11:51:07 am
I ordered 2 to evaluate.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on May 31, 2015, 01:04:57 pm
@slief, thanks again for setting this up. Do you have any idea how soon they ship orders?

I don't but I will follow up with them tomorrow and update accordingly. I would have figured they would ship almost immediately but never asked to confirm.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: rafale77 on May 31, 2015, 10:48:01 pm
I am in for

7x 4x12 white
2x 4x10 white

Edit: added 6x 4x12 white for a friend.

Total of 15 units...
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on June 01, 2015, 10:39:11 am
I am in for

7x 4x12 white
2x 4x10 white

Edit: added 6x 4x12 white for a friend.

Total of 15 units...

Right on!!! Thanks for joining us on this buy!
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on June 01, 2015, 02:25:06 pm
@slief, thanks again for setting this up. Do you have any idea how soon they ship orders?

Tom,
I spoke with Econet and they said people should be receiving their orders between this Weds and this Friday depending on where they are located. 
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: tomgru on June 01, 2015, 09:30:18 pm
@slief, thanks again for setting this up. Do you have any idea how soon they ship orders?

Tom,
I spoke with Econet and they said people should be receiving their orders between this Weds and this Friday depending on where they are located.

Cool.. thanks. Weekend project!!!
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on June 03, 2015, 11:01:15 am
Just a reminder to any of you who have not completed your purchase or who are on the fence. Today is the last day this group buy will be open so if you do want some of these vents at the $55 price, go ahead and place your orders before it's too late.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: rafale77 on June 03, 2015, 04:56:33 pm
Did any of you get any shipping information (tracking number?). I got nothing so far...
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on June 03, 2015, 07:13:48 pm
I got my tracking number today. They are shipping via DHL from Canada.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: shallowearth on June 03, 2015, 08:09:51 pm
Wow, I live in Seattle, got the notification that it shipped via DHL yesterday... arrived today!
Unfortunately what I am using them for is really not that complex, I am not creating a multizone system, really I just wanted an automated way to Open them or close them depending on the season (winter or summer) for a few that are so hard to reach that I can't do it manually easily.

Basically, when the heat is on in the Winter open a few in the downstairs.  When the AC is on in the Summer, close a few downstairs.  So that is what I am setting up.  I will probably join them to the Vera tomorrow and try them out, but not install them until my battery conversion kits arrive which should be any day now.

Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on June 03, 2015, 08:25:25 pm
Wow, I live in Seattle, got the notification that it shipped via DHL yesterday... arrived today!
Unfortunately what I am using them for is really not that complex, I am not creating a multizone system, really I just wanted an automated way to Open them or close them depending on the season (winter or summer) for a few that are so hard to reach that I can't do it manually easily.

Basically, when the heat is on in the Winter open a few in the downstairs.  When the AC is on in the Summer, close a few downstairs.  So that is what I am setting up.  I will probably join them to the Vera tomorrow and try them out, but not install them until my battery conversion kits arrive which should be any day now.

Damn, that's fast! I guess I should have mine tomorrow or Friday then. Not that I'm in a big hurry or anything but it will certainly give me a weekend project which I don't mind at all. Especially since I just got done mounting an iPad in my wall for a central control point for my home automation. I had planned on tackling that this weekend but decided to do it when I got home today.

I started a seperate thread so that we could share our setups, programming and ideas. Once you get the installed, please chime in there!
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,32451.0.html
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: YAMS on June 03, 2015, 10:11:25 pm
I just bought a couple.  Thank you for setting this up.
I'd like to order more if they add more sizes.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: squatingyeti on June 04, 2015, 12:19:04 am
Got 2 for myself and thank you for getting this setup.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on June 04, 2015, 10:31:29 am
Guys,
The group buy exceeded expectations.. Thank you all for contributing. I spoke with Blake this morning and he will be extending the group buy through Saturday 6/6 so that anybody who missed out or just happened upon this thread can still take advantage of the offer. I've also come to find out that the DHL method appears to be next day air so I expect many if not most of you will be receiving your vents in the next day or so.

Anyhow, thanks again for your support. I am looking forward to getting mine installed and hopefully learning a bit from those with more Vera programming experience!
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: kyb2012 on June 04, 2015, 09:30:14 pm
Woohoo!  I received my order of 5 vents today.
Overall build quality is really nice.  As previously mentioned, the vent is metal and hence looks and feel solid.
Well documented instructions are included.
Very convenient to be able to remove the Zwave unit for pairing purposes and changing batteries, etc...
The little translucent plastic window with the EcoNet logo on it is not easy to replace with a more plain cover.
Others have mentioned that you could cover over with tape.  Only drawback is that when the vent is operating (i.e. opening or closing), a couple LED lights flash through the translucent window, so covering it up would lose that.
The only design wierdness that I see is the presence of a manual switch that can open and close the vent, but it manually turns the gears and is not easy.  And the instructions say not to even use it.  So, why is it even there??!!
There are 3 little buttons under the flip cover that allow you to wake up the motor (for pairing and manual operations) and a button to open and button to close.  Hence, no reason for manual lever.

It paired up easily with my Vera Edge.  Now I'm off to install the rest and start some PLEG conditions for my zoned heating and cooling!!!  Awesome!
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: mrv777 on June 04, 2015, 09:39:35 pm
Got my 2 today  :)
Look good.  Operating with the buttons is very smooth.  As others have said there is a manual switch, but only on one of mine.  The other doesn't have it.  I wonder if they have removed the manual button now.
Waiting to hear from support about fixing my Edge though because 7.0.8 bricked it  :( so I can't comment on how it works with Vera yet.  Otherwise, looks good.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: rafale77 on June 06, 2015, 08:07:25 pm
Still no shipping info for me. Guess I was late to the party...
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on June 07, 2015, 06:48:51 pm
Still no shipping info for me. Guess I was late to the party...

My guess is you should be seeing the tracking number first of the week. It took a few business days to get mine shipped as did others so I'm sure you will have yours first to mid next week.

The good news is that they are worth waiting for. I got mine late last week and painted them Friday night. They came out perfect. After letting the cure for a couple days, I finally finished installing them a few minutes ago. After creating a few scenes to put them to good use, I am happy to report they work well and are really easy to install and setup! I've been waiting a long time for some sort of zone control in my house and glad to finally have something working that didn't break the bank!
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: jmarty32 on June 13, 2015, 06:17:36 pm
Any chance of this group buy getting extended. Would like to get a couple of vents.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on June 13, 2015, 10:21:45 pm
Any chance of this group buy getting extended. Would like to get a couple of vents.

Did you try to use the code? If it doesn't work still, let me know and I will ping them on Monday and see if they can get me a special code for you. My guess is that it shouldn't be an issue. Keep an eye out on your private messages as I will PM you once I talk to them. I will say that this was well worth it for me. I'm really happy with them and my upstairs and downstairs cool much quicker now that I have control over the handful of vents in each zone.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: ServiceXp on June 14, 2015, 08:41:11 am
If possible could you shoot me a discount code?
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on June 14, 2015, 10:54:18 am
If possible could you shoot me a discount code?

I will let you both know tomorrow.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: BOFH on June 14, 2015, 11:21:08 am
The good news is that they are worth waiting for. I got mine late last week and painted them Friday night. They came out perfect. After letting the cure for a couple days, I finally finished installing them a few minutes ago. After creating a few scenes to put them to good use, I am happy to report they work well and are really easy to install and setup! I've been waiting a long time for some sort of zone control in my house and glad to finally have something working that didn't break the bank!

Stop making me drool. :-( Next time you talk to them could you ask them if they are considering making 6x14 registers. 
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: jmarty32 on June 14, 2015, 11:40:23 am
HI Slief,

Thanks for all you have done to help this community with organizing this special buy.

I did try to use the code but it said it was expired. I did although reach out to econet and received an email today that the code will be extended until 6-15 for anyone else that wants purchase.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: rafale77 on June 14, 2015, 12:10:02 pm
Good to know... I needed two more!
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on June 14, 2015, 12:41:29 pm


Stop making me drool. :-( Next time you talk to them could you ask them if they are considering making 6x14 registers.

If they do decide to make that size, it will likely be a ways out. I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. I was already scemeing to figure out if I could use a couple of these vents to modify my 12"x12" one in my living room.

I have a couple 12"x6" ones myself and for at least one of those, I will likely use a 24 volt damper with AC Adapter connected to a Z-Wave outlet. That would solve at least two of my vents that don't have these Econet ones.  Have you considered doing the same?

HI Slief,

Thanks for all you have done to help this community with organizing this special buy.

I did try to use the code but it said it was expired. I did although reach out to econet and received an email today that the code will be extended until 6-15 for anyone else that wants purchase.

That's great news! Please let us know when the group buy code is active again! I'm really glad to have helped with this. These vents have worked out even better than I thought they would.

I finished up my Vera programming last night and  updated the Econet user thread with my config and setup. I have to say, that between the vents, my Ecobee3 thermostat, the Ecobee plugin created by Watou and my programming, this setup has far exceeded my expectations. I now have a true dual zone system with seperate temp monitoring for upstairs and downstairs and full zone level AC Control with the push of a single button on my iPads and iPhones. Hit "Heat Cool Upstairs" and the AC turns and uses my programmed comfort settings while the downstairs vents close and the upstairs ones open. Hit "Heat Cool Downstairs" and the AC turns on to the preset comfort settings and the vents close upstairs and the downstairs vents open. Hit "Heat Cool Up Down" and the AC turns on to the preset comfort settings, the master bath vent opens 100%, the kids rooms vents open 30% and the downstairs vents open 100%. Each zone uses a temp sensor in that zone. The Heat Cool Up Down uses an average between the two temp sensors for thermostat control. I am currently using two Ecobee remote temp sensors and have a third that I may use in one of the kids rooms. Currently I have one upstairs in my master bedroom and one downstairs in my living room. If I add the 3rd sensor to the kids room, I can use an average the between the one in my room and the one in the kids room for upstairs climate control instead of just the one temp sensor upstairs.

All in all, it's pretty damn slick and these vents will save me a small fortune on my heating and cooling costs. I noticed that it takes about half the time to cool my downstairs now which is great! I'm going to try to get my AC guy out here next week to revisit the barometric bypass damper as that will make my system even more efficient by recirculating the hot or cold air in the system. That in turn will result in colder air coming out of the vents in cooling mode and warmer air in heating mode. I don't think I need it as I'm not restricting the flow very much but for the $100 or so that the damper will cost, it certainly can't hurt.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: tsawyer on June 15, 2015, 10:36:23 am
I'd like to put a vote in for 8 x 8 versions of these should Econet want suggestions of future sizes.

As I was checking out the site, I noticed that the Water Valve actuator (EBV105) is almost ready to ship!  Any chance of there being a group buy on these?   I'm in for two to start. 

Thanks!
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on June 15, 2015, 10:45:01 am
I'd like to put a vote in for 8 x 8 versions of these should Econet want suggestions of future sizes.

As I was checking out the site, I noticed that the Water Valve actuator (EBV105) is almost ready to ship!  Any chance of there being a group buy on these?   I'm in for two to start. 

Thanks!

I can talk to them about the valves but I'm not sure how many people here would be interested in them. Econet mentioned new valve to me a couple weeks ago and the first thing that came to my mind was.. "What the hell would I do with that thing??"  ;D
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: rafale77 on June 15, 2015, 11:13:52 am
plumb it to your bed and use it as your alarm in the morning?  :P
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: tsawyer on June 15, 2015, 03:17:40 pm

I can talk to them about the valves but I'm not sure how many people here would be interested in them. Econet mentioned new valve to me a couple weeks ago and the first thing that came to my mind was.. "What the hell would I do with that thing??"  ;D

Wait, I need a reason?     ;)

I actually have three use cases (so far) ...

1) I have a ball valve in my basement that controls the feed to my outdoor faucets and I also have a 6 year old that loves playing with water.   If I forget to shut off the feed, then one of the faucets inevitably gets turned on and either left on, or left dripping, and wastes a lot of water.  If I setup a simple on/off timer for it, I can have it turn on for a 30min period, do what I need to do watering wise, and know that it will turn back off when I am done, even if I forget to do it.

2) Same outdoor control as above via the outdoor feed valle, but use it to turn on/off a pre-setup sprinkler on a regular interval.

3) Whole house leak prevention.   I also have a ball valve on the main supply from the street for the whole house and already have leak sensors around the boiler, washing machine, and dishwasher.  Right now they just generate an alert (letting me know to panic), but if I could control the main feed, then I could have it shutoff everything in the event of a leak and prevent costly water damage.   

I see this as basically the same as the (overly expensive) Fortrezz valves use case wise, and even better for an install because it will just bolt onto my existing valves instead of having to require plumbing work to be put in line.


Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: squatingyeti on June 16, 2015, 10:00:27 am
I finally updated my firmware to the June update and the econet vents are now showing battery level on the device page like all other battery operated devices.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on June 16, 2015, 10:23:17 am
I finally updated my firmware to the June update and the econet vents are now showing battery level on the device page like all other battery operated devices.

Now that you mention that, I went and checked and there is battery status! I didn't notice that will the previous update. I've been in contact with the Vera team regarding the device type and from what I understand, a new device type for the vents is on the feature request list. I also provided them the contact info for the guys at Econet and Econet is prepared to work with the Vera team and provide any info they may need. With a bit of luck, we will see a new device type added in the not so distant future! 
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: rafale77 on June 16, 2015, 10:31:20 am
That would be very nice. Showing them with a light bulb is a bit of an inconvenience.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: ServiceXp on June 16, 2015, 08:08:59 pm
Received my 2 registers today, and here is my take on them. (I'm an HVAC/R Tech)

Pros:
1) Very fast shipping. Impressed.
2) Quiet Operation.
3) Included into HomeSeer very quick and easy.
4) Drive motor seems strong.

Cons:
1) No mounting screws included. (This was quite surprising)
2) No perimeter housing seal. (above average mechanical registers have a sealing gasket around the face of the frame to seal to the wall/ceiling)

I think at the normal cost, EcoNet needs to add a seal and a couple of screws like your better than average mechanical registers.




Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on June 16, 2015, 09:03:14 pm
Received my 2 registers today, and here is my take on them. (I'm an HVAC/R Tech)

Pros:
1) Very fast shipping. Impressed.
2) Quiet Operation.
3) Included into HomeSeer very quick and easy.
4) Drive motor seems strong.

Cons:
1) No mounting screws included. (This was quite surprising)
2) No perimeter housing seal. (above average mechanical registers have a sealing gasket around the face of the frame to seal to the wall/ceiling)

I think at the normal cost, EcoNet needs to add a seal and a couple of screws like your better than average mechanical registers.

That's great news. Glad you like them. I wondered about the foam perimeter seal too. As for mounting screws.. That never even crossed my mind since I was removing vents that were already screwed in to begin with. I have enough screws around here to last a lifetime anyway. I just reused those screws and didn't even think twice about it.

Which HomeSeer are you using? I gave them serious consideration but was a bit discouraged by the cost. Frankly, I'm pretty happy with my Vera now anyway as it's doing everything I wanted it to do and then some but I am always looking at new hardware for all my hobbies.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: ServiceXp on June 16, 2015, 09:11:42 pm
I'm using HS3 with their Z-NET on my Blue Iris Server (i5 Haswell).

I love HomeSeer, super responsive and extremely flexible. 

I got in on their last sale (they have 2 a year)
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: 300mag on July 28, 2015, 09:41:28 pm
I'd like to put a vote in for 8 x 8 versions of these should Econet want suggestions of future sizes.

As I was checking out the site, I noticed that the Water Valve actuator (EBV105) is almost ready to ship!  Any chance of there being a group buy on these?   I'm in for two to start. 

Thanks!

I can talk to them about the valves but I'm not sure how many people here would be interested in them. Econet mentioned new valve to me a couple weeks ago and the first thing that came to my mind was.. "What the hell would I do with that thing??"  ;D


I can talk to them about the valves but I'm not sure how many people here would be interested in them. Econet mentioned new valve to me a couple weeks ago and the first thing that came to my mind was.. "What the hell would I do with that thing??"  ;D

Wait, I need a reason?     ;)

I actually have three use cases (so far) ...

1) I have a ball valve in my basement that controls the feed to my outdoor faucets and I also have a 6 year old that loves playing with water.   If I forget to shut off the feed, then one of the faucets inevitably gets turned on and either left on, or left dripping, and wastes a lot of water.  If I setup a simple on/off timer for it, I can have it turn on for a 30min period, do what I need to do watering wise, and know that it will turn back off when I am done, even if I forget to do it.

2) Same outdoor control as above via the outdoor feed valle, but use it to turn on/off a pre-setup sprinkler on a regular interval.

3) Whole house leak prevention.   I also have a ball valve on the main supply from the street for the whole house and already have leak sensors around the boiler, washing machine, and dishwasher.  Right now they just generate an alert (letting me know to panic), but if I could control the main feed, then I could have it shutoff everything in the event of a leak and prevent costly water damage.   

I see this as basically the same as the (overly expensive) Fortrezz valves use case wise, and even better for an install because it will just bolt onto my existing valves instead of having to require plumbing work to be put in line.
I would be in for a group buy on the valves,    same reasons as stated above we travel a lot and I like to shut of the main, much easier to do with zwave since it's in a closet behind the water heater and if I forget I can do it from the road.  I like the fortrezz but the cost is to high to justify.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on July 29, 2015, 09:56:50 am
I can inquire about that one. Only issue I see is the number of people who would be interested in one which I suspect is pretty few.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: tomgru on October 04, 2015, 08:06:22 pm
installed one of these that I've had sitting around for several months... seemed to go through the include process fine, and works via Vera (U15), but the "state" of the lightbulb never changes from 64%.

Also seems to take two tries via dash to get it to either open or close all the way. 

thoughts?

An exclude/reinclude didn't seem to help much. now it only shows 0%.  still seems to take two clicks to get fully open/closed

EDIT:  an hour later, seems like the percentage status is working now, but the actual motor is still not keeping up.  new batteries. 
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: BOFH on October 04, 2015, 11:08:38 pm
I can inquire about that one. Only issue I see is the number of people who would be interested in one which I suspect is pretty few.

You can find the same valve on Amazon for about  $60 to $70 but it does not seem to to have the econet bracket.

http://www.amazon.com/Latest-Xenon-Z-wave-Wireless-Water/dp/B0144L78CI
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on October 05, 2015, 10:20:31 am
Interesting. Does the register that the vent attaches to taper at all towards the center? A couple of mine do and that taper interfered with the vents ability to open and close properly. I took a mallet and widened the register a bit where it tapered inward.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: tomgru on October 05, 2015, 11:51:38 am
Interesting. Does the register that the vent attaches to taper at all towards the center? A couple of mine do and that taper interfered with the vents ability to open and close properly. I took a mallet and widened the register a bit where it tapered inward.

Unfortunately, happens just sitting on the counter...
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on October 05, 2015, 12:29:02 pm
Interesting. Does the register that the vent attaches to taper at all towards the center? A couple of mine do and that taper interfered with the vents ability to open and close properly. I took a mallet and widened the register a bit where it tapered inward.

Unfortunately, happens just sitting on the counter...
Give Econet a call. I am sure they will take care of it immediately.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: tomgru on October 05, 2015, 03:39:15 pm
Interesting. Does the register that the vent attaches to taper at all towards the center? A couple of mine do and that taper interfered with the vents ability to open and close properly. I took a mallet and widened the register a bit where it tapered inward.

Unfortunately, happens just sitting on the counter...
Give Econet a call. I am sure they will take care of it immediately.

thanks.. i'll likely try that.  Problem is, it's one of the vents i painted to get it to match my wood floor. :-)
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on October 05, 2015, 04:09:03 pm
Interesting. Does the register that the vent attaches to taper at all towards the center? A couple of mine do and that taper interfered with the vents ability to open and close properly. I took a mallet and widened the register a bit where it tapered inward.

Unfortunately, happens just sitting on the counter...
Give Econet a call. I am sure they will take care of it immediately.

thanks.. i'll likely try that.  Problem is, it's one of the vents i painted to get it to match my wood floor. :-)

They can probably just swap out the motor/louver part. That snaps into the front plate anyway.  Just give Blake a call or email him at: ballen "at" EcoNetControls.com
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: fleetmack on January 05, 2016, 04:19:16 pm
Forgive me for reviving an old thread. Are those of you who bought these satisfied after having used them for several months? If they really work that well, I may look into getting some....
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on January 05, 2016, 04:23:59 pm
Mine are working great. No complaints here!
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: rafale77 on January 10, 2016, 04:03:11 am
Mine too. Just starting to recharging my initial set of eneloop batteries.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: YAMS on June 05, 2016, 02:45:03 am
Mine work great.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: slief on June 05, 2016, 08:52:55 pm
I just replaced the first sets of batteries in mine. With summer here again, every time I turn my AC on, will will be reminded of why I bought them in the first place!
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: Pedals2Paddles on June 29, 2016, 09:02:58 pm
Is there anywhere to buy these now a days?  They don't seem to exist anywhere.  The non zwave timer version is on Amazon for like $12.  I can buy those and hot wire it with a zwave controlled relay.  But the finished product would be better if I could just buy the zwave version.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: markcm on April 09, 2018, 03:52:14 pm
Bump again...

I just learned of these econet vents and it seems they came and went before I even knew of them? I'm aware of larger scale systems like flair.co but I'd be interested in something simple like this econet. Are they completely discontinued? Is anyone else offering a simple wireless register without a fully control system?
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: Sammy2 on April 09, 2018, 04:17:49 pm
I have about 12 to 15 registers. Although I'd love to do this that's a  $700ish outlay..

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Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: rafale77 on April 09, 2018, 09:51:06 pm
I have some leftovers 10x4 and 12x4. Not very many though... PM me if interested.
Title: Re: Econet Z-Wave Controllable AC/Heating Vents. Vera Forum Group Buy Discount
Post by: markcm on April 16, 2018, 02:46:16 pm
I sent a message to econet last week and they indicated a version 2.0 is planned although a non-committal estimate of late 2018 or early 2019 was offered.