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Title: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Les F on March 21, 2010, 02:15:22 pm


Anyone have any updates on price / availability / Vera compatibility of the Aeon Labs energy monitor?   

I googled around and can only find their corporate info on the product.

http://www.aeon-labs.com/site/products/view/4/

I saw some discussions saying they expected it out in the March timeframe..

Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on May 21, 2010, 08:01:23 pm
@ ASIHome - Have you guys heard anything on this?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: ASIHome on May 26, 2010, 09:42:49 am
I was out for the last 2 days but I did get an email saying they are "ready for market". I am trying to find out if that means they are ready to ship.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on May 27, 2010, 02:50:48 am
Any pricing info?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Phibar on May 27, 2010, 09:27:19 am
I want...
hint hint ASI :)
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on May 27, 2010, 12:19:30 pm
Group buy! :)

It'll probably be out of stock for ages anyway like everything else at the moment ;)
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: ASIHome on May 27, 2010, 12:24:14 pm
I have another email in to them. I usually hear back a day later from them. I think the rep is in China right now.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on May 27, 2010, 03:15:06 pm
ASI,

How come so many items are out of stock at the moment? Is there an upswing in demand for Zwave stuff?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: ASIHome on May 27, 2010, 03:29:17 pm
Both an upward swing in orders and the fact that manufacturers stock levels were dropped during the recession. They are now trying to play "catch up" with the increased demand. There is also something going on with clamshell packaging (and maybe plastic in general) in China. We have at least 3 vendors that are having trouble getting packaging.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on May 27, 2010, 05:51:17 pm
Not to mention long lead-times from the semiconductor market.......some companies are as long as 32 weeks!
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: SteveO123 on May 27, 2010, 07:35:03 pm
Quote
ASI,

How come so many items are out of stock at the moment? Is there an upswing in demand for Zwave stuff?

I have had a couple of HMS TS001 sensors on backorder for with ASIHome for over 2 months which is quite frustrating.  But I have to commend them for keeping me appraised of the status of the backorder and options I have.  I wish all vendors had such great customer service!

Well done, ASIHome

(not affiliated in any way with them--just a very satisfied customer)
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on May 27, 2010, 08:11:11 pm
I'm also on back order for a relay by couple of months too, but also cancelled an order recently for a couple of switches that I was able to get from a local vendor (albeit at a higher price). In that instance I couldn't wait as it was a long lead time and they were needed for something important at home.

ASI is still my preferred vendor though! Cant beat the prices, customer service and range of products!
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: ASIHome on May 28, 2010, 08:03:26 am
First, thank you for the kind words. Second, what versions is everybody looking for? Single, double or tripple clamp?

From what I can gather so far from Aeon, these will be available in 4-weeks or less and I should have another update on Monday.

As far as HomeManageables goes, I have a few calls in to them but I think they were at a trade show yesterday.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Phibar on May 28, 2010, 09:23:49 am
Asi, what's the eta for the new kwikset locks?  Any plans on getting the bulogics power strip?http://www.bulogics.com/powerstrip.html
 (http://www.bulogics.com/powerstrip.html)

sry.  if this is posted elsewhere..
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: ASIHome on May 28, 2010, 09:31:21 am
Mods: If you want to split this off as it does not pertain to the OP.

Kwikset is working out a kink and has pushed back the launch by 2-weeks.

As far as Bulogics goes, we are working with them on both their Shutdown Stick and PowerStrip however they have been very busy with shows and meetings. I will work on an update for that as well.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Phibar on May 28, 2010, 09:58:58 am
Thanks ASI.

back to original posting.. are the aeon labs products goign to be in the same price range as intermatics or closer to GE?

Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on May 28, 2010, 11:26:33 am
First, thank you for the kind words. Second, what versions is everybody looking for? Single, double or tripple clamp?

From what I can gather so far from Aeon, these will be available in 4-weeks or less and I should have another update on Monday.

As far as HomeManageables goes, I have a few calls in to them but I think they were at a trade show yesterday.
Single for me i think
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Phibar on May 28, 2010, 12:00:04 pm
I think 1 as well.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: woodsby on May 28, 2010, 03:39:41 pm
Are specs available yet? It looks like this is a battery powered device - how often does it wake up and report?  Can its wake/report interval be adjusted? I have a lot of questions, but I want one...
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Les F on May 28, 2010, 05:51:51 pm

Just as an FYI:

As far as clamps go, if you are in the US and want to use this as a whole house monitor you will need a 2 clamp version. One for each leg of 120v coming in at the breaker panel

You would need a 2 clamp model for measuring usage on any 220-240 volt appliance.
(yeah I guess for this you could use a 1 clamp and double the numbers).

One clamp for the normal 110v appliance of course.

I don't claim to be an expert on power, so if I am mistaken, please correct me  :D


Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on May 29, 2010, 01:41:44 am
@Les F, I guess you are right, I use a second phase in my Kitchen with my Oven and cooktop to get 220. Looks like I'll need the 2 clamp version after all!?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Phibar on June 01, 2010, 10:00:48 am
This might be slightly off topic but if I use one of these and the individual switchs from aeon can i setup seperate energy logs through vera?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: ASIHome on June 02, 2010, 08:54:44 am
These are now available on the website.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on June 02, 2010, 10:46:49 am
2 clamp on order!
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on June 02, 2010, 11:34:24 am
Aaron - Are you guys supporting this yet? If you need one I can send you the one I ordered.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on June 02, 2010, 11:42:31 am
Oops, my Finger accidentally slipped on the order button for the two clamp also :)
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: myhomeserver on June 02, 2010, 03:58:46 pm
My vote for support if not already added....I will be getting one of these from Aeon Labs soon for review and will be using it with Vera.  MCV, any feedback here?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Les F on June 02, 2010, 06:03:59 pm

soooo does anyone have any idea if this will just report current (no pun intended) usage, average, high / low?
I am sure it will do anything, its more of how it is polled and what is done with the data.

The hacking side of me would like to throw the data into an rrdgraph with something like indoor/outdoor  temperature data on the graph as well.  Okay I'll calm down...  :-X

Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: TheGadgetGuy on June 02, 2010, 10:55:12 pm
This sounds like a well needed product, but unfortunately, I am not willing to purchase it until I KNOW how (if) Vera will support it.  I don't need to buy a paperweight if Vera isn't going to properly support it for another 6 months...

(fingers crossed for good news)...
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on June 02, 2010, 11:06:03 pm
I'm pretty sure that MCV will support it pretty much at launch or if not then pretty soon after. They also have a product compatibility guarantee where they will support it within a month (I think) of receiving a trouble ticket.

I believe MCV get a lot of products sent to them before we ever see them in the flesh anyway (I think the Kwikset locks are an example of this.)

Anyway, by the time I get round to installing this anyway a month may have passed :)
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: mikeholczer on June 03, 2010, 07:20:29 am
Yep, here are the details on their guarantee:

http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Guaranteed_Compatibility
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on June 15, 2010, 08:31:50 am
These are now available on the website.

Barry - Have you gotten these in yet from Aeon?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: myhomeserver on June 15, 2010, 10:00:04 am
My Aeon Labs Smart Energy Module arrived yesterday and I have it paired and connected to my elec panel (dual clamp model)

So, MCV, how do I get this working?  It shows as a generic I/O - and shows and ON/OFF switch.  Can you guys chime in and let me know how I can start using the tracking in this module?   What Plugin is needed if any?

Thanks!
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: ASIHome on June 15, 2010, 10:04:39 am
I am trying to get an update so I can notify everybody.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on June 15, 2010, 11:50:02 am
My Aeon Labs Smart Energy Module arrived yesterday and I have it paired and connected to my elec panel (dual clamp model)

So, MCV, how do I get this working?  It shows as a generic I/O - and shows and ON/OFF switch.  Can you guys chime in and let me know how I can start using the tracking in this module?   What Plugin is needed if any?

Thanks!
Did they send you a version to test with? I'm still waiting for a shipping notification from ASI.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: myhomeserver on June 15, 2010, 01:48:34 pm
Yes, I have a hardware sample for testing and I'm getting started on the review as soon as I get it working with Vera.   I'll post my results here in this thread and a link to the review when it's up.   MCV, can  you guys comment on this sensor and if it works with Vera?   


My Aeon Labs Smart Energy Module arrived yesterday and I have it paired and connected to my elec panel (dual clamp model)

So, MCV, how do I get this working?  It shows as a generic I/O - and shows and ON/OFF switch.  Can you guys chime in and let me know how I can start using the tracking in this module?   What Plugin is needed if any?

Thanks!
Did they send you a version to test with? I'm still waiting for a shipping notification from ASI.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on June 16, 2010, 02:27:08 am
Not sure if I'm imagining it but there seems to be a new plugin called "energy alerts and profiling" and I'm wondering if this is anything to do with the energy monitors?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: myhomeserver on June 16, 2010, 08:29:06 am
Tried installing those plugins, I get errors.    MCV, any help here would be appreciated!
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: javier on June 16, 2010, 09:52:47 am
Tried installing those plugins, I get errors.    MCV, any help here would be appreciated!

We're getting those ready for the next UI4 beta; unfortunately we had to change the download process, so the current beta can't get them correctly from the marketplace.

To summarize the functionality:

- the 'Energy Monitor' plugin uses the 'Watts' field that you can fill on some devices, then monitors the on/off/dimmer status to calculate the actual power used.  Every half hour reports the total and peak usage to your account on the MiOS servers.  You can see the resulting statistics and graphs on the 'energy' tab on findvera.com.

- the 'Energy Alerts & Profiling' has two different functionalities:

  1: A reimplementation (in Lua) of the 'energy' icon in the toolbox: at the set times it checks some limits you set (number of lights on, thermostat, total (calculated) power) and if you've exceeded them, sends a notification.

  2: lets you measure actual power usage of all your lights and thermostats controlled by Vera using a power meter.  it starts by turning them all off to note the 'base' reading.  then turns on each one to read the difference.  When finished writes a text file with the findings and sends a notification.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: blazinace on June 16, 2010, 02:36:17 pm
javier, do you know the date when U14 will be released ?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on June 18, 2010, 10:45:58 am
@Barry - Any word from Aeon?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: ASIHome on June 18, 2010, 11:09:24 am
Aeon Labs got back to me with an update. They didn't have any in the US Warehouse so we had to get them from overseas. We are now expecting our next shipment from Aeon Labs on 6/30 which will include the Home Energy Meters.

Thank you.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: TheGadgetGuy on June 18, 2010, 11:44:00 am
I am really hopeful this product works as well as I think it will.  I just need it to be properly supported by Vera.

I am planning on ordering two of the 2 phase units.  One for the house, and one for my barn & motorhome.

-Robert
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: myhomeserver on June 18, 2010, 12:16:17 pm
So far no word from MCV on how these work with Vera. I've had mine paired and connected to my panel with the 2 clamps since Monday but no idea on how to use it.   

Anyone?  MCV?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: TheGadgetGuy on June 18, 2010, 06:49:32 pm
That's somewhat frustrating.

If I was to make a guess, I would assume we won't get functionality in the energy monitor until after UI4 is released. Right now, that is a more pressing issue to MCV in my opinion.

Hopefully, we won't have to wait too long...

Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: mcvovidiu on June 19, 2010, 05:11:14 am
Hi,

We are in good relationship with Aeon Labs and they always provided the necessary documentation to implement their products into Vera. I have no doubts that this won't continue.

As TheGadgetGuy mentioned, our goal for now, even I know for some of you is not the primary objective, is to push out the UI4 Release Candidate, so our beloved Beta Testers can install it and provide feedback so we can tweak the things reported and then  release it to the customers. That will be another story as we need to monitor the new servers when the load will be from hundreds of customers, not just us and a few of you.

Anyway, the new firmware upgrade procedure has passed our QA, we will wait for your feedback and then we'll be confident there will be no more bricked units which requires RMA or frustrated customers.

An ETA for all this? I wish I could say, honestly, but we still have some work to do regarding the UI and servers. The Luup/Z-Wave engine is stable and working good, Wizard is done, notifications functionality still needs some polish.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on July 01, 2010, 11:35:05 am
@Barry - Did these come in yet?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: ASIHome on July 01, 2010, 12:38:51 pm
Just got an update from Aeon. It looks like the are now scheduled for 7/6. Not sure what happened yet.

Thanks.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Les F on July 02, 2010, 09:44:03 am

so whats in the works for the monitor... and vera?
besides showing real time use...

any usage history,  high/low  usage triggers/alarms ? etc....



Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on July 06, 2010, 01:23:19 am
ASI, any idea yet why they pushed the date back?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: myhomeserver on July 06, 2010, 08:32:41 am
I've had mine for a few weeks now, its connected and included in the network but I have no idea what it's supposed to do with Vera and how to use it...... :-[
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on July 06, 2010, 11:10:41 am
I've had mine for a few weeks now, its connected and included in the network but I have no idea what it's supposed to do with Vera and how to use it...... :-[
Did you raise a ticket with MCV?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: ASIHome on July 06, 2010, 11:16:51 am
It appears they are just taking longer than expected to get them to us from Singapore.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: ASIHome on July 07, 2010, 12:21:07 pm
Came in late yesterday. Those of you who have them on order, they should be going out of the warehouse today.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on July 07, 2010, 12:57:31 pm
Thanks, I will look forward to hooking it up and watch it do nothing whilst waiting for MCV :)
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on July 08, 2010, 09:35:34 am
Weeee got my UPS Quantum ship notice!!!!
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on July 09, 2010, 03:40:31 pm
Ok got my current monitor today. It looks like Vera doesn't support it yet since it shows up as generic I/O. It needs to support the meter command class and multilevel sensor command class.


Aaron - If I send you the Aeon Energy Monitor can you add support?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: jkw on July 09, 2010, 07:06:59 pm
@wseverino,

Got mine today, too.  No installation instructions included, or found at aeon-labs.com or asihome.com

Included manual only covers the Z-Wave part.

How did you hook yours up ?  Got a pic ?  :)

-many thanks!
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on July 09, 2010, 07:24:03 pm
Well, You just clip the current transformers to the mains. However, I can not clip them to my mains due to the mains being larger than the clips.

@Barry - Do you know if they have larger current transformer clips?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Les F on July 09, 2010, 07:52:03 pm

Assuming you are trying to clip around the main line coming into your breaker panel....

whats seems to be the max size wire they will go around?   

I have 150AMP service (aluminum feed from meter).. .yeah its 150, not a lot of them around.

Les
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on July 09, 2010, 08:36:50 pm
Correct, the main wire at the breaker box. The clips only accommodate a 1/2" diameter. The main feed into my breaker box is almost 3/4 of an inch.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Les F on July 09, 2010, 09:22:42 pm

nothing is ever simple...

can't believe when it was designed that clipping onto main feed wasn't thought of.   Most people have aluminum wire coming in from the meter head which makes it a lot cheaper, but the size of the wire is also bigger.   Am actually in the process of getting ready to upgrade service into the house, guess I should price copper from meter to panel (I assume they can do it if I want to pay the extra cost).  The distance isn't that much.   Thanks for the tipoff on clamp sizes. 

Would be happier to see Aeon come up with a bigger clamp (or even an option for one)...

The picture of the clamp next to the device makes the clamp look large... i guess the sensor is actually small then?
Does it fit in the breaker panel or did you have to locate it outside of the panel?

Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on July 09, 2010, 09:59:59 pm
The picture and the actual end product don't look anything alike. The picture of it on the Aeon site has a clamp. We this one is square and has a locking clip on the side so it actually is snug against the wire.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on July 10, 2010, 12:14:27 am
Pictures, Pictures Pictures !!!!??  :)
Not that there's any hurry for MCV to support this becuase mines going to be ages anyway before it arrives!
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Les F on July 10, 2010, 07:30:34 am



Sorry... I should have specified... the picture on Aeon's website
http://www.aeon-labs.com/site/products/view/4/

Maybe if we say "please",  wseverino could post a pic (or link to a pic)  of the real product???




Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on July 10, 2010, 08:21:28 am
See Below:
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on July 10, 2010, 09:19:21 am
Unit Installed on Air Conditioner Lines. Check out the size of the mains coming into the box.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: zmistro on July 10, 2010, 09:53:43 am
size of mains very typical. Looks like Aluminum 4/0  200 amps.
How are you going to feed the wires from the panel?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Les F on July 10, 2010, 11:49:45 am

Hopefully someone with a good line to Aeon Labs can tip them off that they have a problem with their current probes (no pun intended).  Great for clipping onto wires to heat pump, or stove, but not the main feed into the panel..

BTW... THANKS for the pics... very much appreciated.    Looks like the original clamps on the Aeon page 'should have' worked.  The ones that they seem to be shipping don't seem suited for what most of us probably want the unit for, "whole house monitoring".
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: woodsby on July 10, 2010, 11:53:36 am
Is there a catalog number printed on the CT's?  More specifically a ratio?

Is there anything printed on the module where the CT's plug in?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on July 10, 2010, 12:20:29 pm
size of mains very typical. Looks like Aluminum 4/0  200 amps.
How are you going to feed the wires from the panel?

I sent Aeon an email regarding the issue of the CT's to see if they had any different sizes available since these wont connect to standard mains. The other thing I am trying to do is get a spec on the CT's so I could find another source that would accept the larger diameter.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on July 10, 2010, 12:30:34 pm
One good thing is it appears that the energy plugin works with the meter. See below:
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: B0SST0N on July 10, 2010, 11:26:13 pm
@wseverino

Looks good, if Aeon can get the clamp size sorted out and MCV can build in full support I may just have to pick one of these up to replace my TED5000 that never got supported...

I have to say I would miss the Google Powermeter integration a little bit though...

Is the Aeon unit battery powered for measurements and zwave communication? If so... seems a little strange they didnt just use power from the panel... I wonder if wiring a walwart to the panel and hardwiring it would work.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on July 10, 2010, 11:49:02 pm
I think I remember reading somewhere that it had a USB socket that it could be optionally powered from.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on July 11, 2010, 08:09:06 am
@Bosston - Its battery or USB powered.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: zmistro on July 11, 2010, 11:00:13 am
So Sev the clamps won't fit around your 4/0 main wires?
wow is that short sighted. I realize that the guys from Aeon are from California. where a lot of local cities mandate  200 amp services to be 2/0 Copper. That is not the norm in the country. Copper being more expensive contractors in other areas go with Aluminum.

Guys remember if you use these meter/clamp devices you can " never" install them in the Utility companies section of the meter can! The utility company can get pissed and think you are stealing power  or something.  So if you have a underground service with a METER /Combo unit it may get trickey to get it installed. Most of those panels have flat buss bars. That feed the main breaker. Your local utility may advise you.

Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on July 11, 2010, 01:15:46 pm
So Sev the clamps won't fit around your 4/0 main wires?
wow is that short sighted. I realize that the guys from Aeon are from California. where a lot of local cities mandate  200 amp services tp be 2/0 Copper. That is not the norm in the country. Copper being more expensive contractors go with Aluminum.

Yeah, tried to hook them up and its definitely a no-go.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: ASIHome on July 12, 2010, 01:40:16 pm
I'll look into it.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on July 12, 2010, 08:25:48 pm
Barry - I wanted to let you know I emailed Winston Cheng with Aeon. They do offer different size CT's so he is asking me to do a product swap with him.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: shady on July 13, 2010, 03:42:03 am
It looks like it should be able to fit behind most breaker panels' dead front panels, but I worry about reception in there.  Has anyone tested range after sealing the thing behind all of that metal, not to mention noise.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: zmistro on July 13, 2010, 03:51:11 pm
I would not seal the Receiver inside the electric panel. However I would feed the clamp wires through a piece of conduit or other listed fitting and place receiver in a plastic box!
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on July 13, 2010, 04:30:27 pm
Mine is arriving today and I think I only have copper with a 100A circuit so I should be able to give some real world feedback on installation and power usage.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: zmistro on July 13, 2010, 05:17:22 pm
so what plugins do you need to install?
How do you set this up?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on July 13, 2010, 09:37:38 pm
I think there is a new plugin in the MIOS market place for it.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: shady on July 13, 2010, 10:12:07 pm
Quote from: zmistro link=topic=3366.m :-\sg19798#msg19798 date=1279050671
I would not seal the Receiver inside the electric panel. However I would feed the clamp wires through a piece of conduit or other listed fitting and place receiver in a plastic box!

That would be a huge No-Go on the WAF for me, the panel is ugly enough where it is.  Our Master closet backs up to the panel wall, so maybe I could get in there and come through a panel knock-out inside the wall cavity.  Sounds like a lot of work when I already have the Smart Meter, maybe I'll just have to wait for the coming products that will read its signal directly.   :-\
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: myhomeserver on July 14, 2010, 11:54:22 am
Ditto on the setup and use.  I have one of these and have it on my panel but have no clue how to use the energy meter or anything else to do with this.    Can someone help out with a simple howto?

thanks!

so what plugins do you need to install?
How do you set this up?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on July 14, 2010, 12:02:57 pm
I just used the energy alerts and profiling one in the mios market.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: jkw on August 02, 2010, 11:30:16 am
Looks like I need  3/4" clamps - not the 1/2" that were shipped.

@wseverino:
I also emailed Winston Cheng asking about a swap; how did that process work for you?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: deimos_anomaly on August 04, 2010, 09:31:00 am
I tried to order the 2 clamp version on 8/3 and was sent this today in my email order status.

"AEODSB09204-US has been removed from your order, as this item is temporarily discontinued by the manufacturer.
Sorry for the inconvience."

Is there any word when these will begin being manufactured and in stock again? I was really excited about putting one of these in my home.  :(
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: ASIHome on August 04, 2010, 09:34:56 am
I am looking into both of those issues right now.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: garrettwp on August 04, 2010, 10:30:21 am
I am looking into both of those issues right now.

Please do as I would like to get one in the very near future.

- Garrett
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on August 04, 2010, 11:05:56 am
@garrettwp, I wouldn't worry about it too much as I have one and it doesn't really do much at the moment. If you know much about the TED5000 etc then you would be very disappointed.

I wouldn't mind betting that its been suspended due to the CT clamps perhaps not being big enough or the firmware.

The new blue line WiFi donut / Hohm thing looks promising! If there was a published API for this thing then it would be a good alternative.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: garrettwp on August 05, 2010, 12:35:23 am
I was looking at getting the TED and then held off as I has was not sure what I wanted to do. I then saw that aeon had a unit for the zwave. I got all excited until reading up on the posts about it not working well or people having issues clamping it to all phases with the small clamps. I hope they get things worked out!

- Garrett
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: CMRancho on August 05, 2010, 08:28:55 am
SoCal Edison is installing smart meters throughout Long Beach this summer. I hope they allow us to access the data from them.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: JOD on October 04, 2010, 04:59:35 pm
Update on the Aeon HEM.

I have it installed and it’s reporting KW within Vera.

JOD.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on October 04, 2010, 05:08:15 pm
Update on the Aeon HEM.

I have it installed and it’s reporting KW within Vera.

JOD.

If its anything like mine then you wont see very frequent updates from it unless they updated the firmware. Mine will only update if I poll it, and even then, the poll will fail 50% of the time.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: cocoabill on November 02, 2010, 10:14:02 am
Anybody getting anywhere with the Aeon unit?  Installed mine and it updates very randomly even when polled manually.

I have 4 generic IO's showing I assume the first one is the second two's watt values added up?  the other 3 must be the legs of the monitoring clamps with the third one blank because it is not used.

Sure would be nice to have some sort of graph function for this device in the software.

Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on November 02, 2010, 11:55:33 am
@cocabill, I purchased the two clamp version and mine only shows 3 devices which represent both phases as child devices and the total of the phases on the parent. Mine does have a third socket for a third current clamp but I'm not sure if there is supposed to be different Aeon firmware version for the clamp qty's or if its supposed to detect how many clamps are detected. Its also possible that Aeon have already changed the firmware as there was rumor of that also.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: cocoabill on November 02, 2010, 12:36:05 pm
Thanks, I recieved mine direct from China Yesterday so I assume they are the newest.  I changed my reciever position and it appears to be manually polling fine now.  Sure wish MCV would come out with a way to graph the data.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on November 02, 2010, 08:54:55 pm
If you go to the cp.mios.com site then you should see some graphs!

Richard
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: cocoabill on November 03, 2010, 10:37:46 am
Thanks for the graph link but it looks like it only displays the last reading, do I need to set up a log?

I also noticed when I manually pole the the first generic IO of the Aeon device it always reads second IO fine and then fails on reading the third IO.  Every once in a while it reads both values (2nd and 3rd IO) and combines the watts from each and displays them in the first IO box, but this is maybe after poling 10 times.  Anyone experienced this?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: zmistro on November 03, 2010, 11:00:55 am
SoCal Edison is installing smart meters throughout Long Beach this summer. I hope they allow us to access the data from them.

Seriously doub't  it from what I've been told.  They are Zigbee so vera will need to support a zigbee dongle.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on November 03, 2010, 12:09:30 pm
Thanks for the graph link but it looks like it only displays the last reading, do I need to set up a log?
I also noticed when I manually pole the the first generic IO of the Aeon device it always reads second IO fine and then fails on reading the third IO.  Every once in a while it reads both values (2nd and 3rd IO) and combines the watts from each and displays them in the first IO box, but this is maybe after poling 10 times.  Anyone experienced this?


I've never really used the website but I believe if you want to log it then you will have to use a bit a of code... I was just reading another thread and it seems user @mtf may have written a modified energy plugin to do this. You could send him a PM perhaps?
You power meter has very similar behavior to mine and I was told that not only would MCV have to update the software but also there was hint of the Aeon Firmware needing updating also.

Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: jkw on November 03, 2010, 03:33:39 pm
Hi folks -

I do not see a 'Classifieds' area on this forum...hope the following does not violate any rules  :)

I too, have just received the newest Aeon Labs Home Energy Monitor from China - it is the 2 clamp version.
I have since 'gone another route' with energy monitoring, and no longer need this unit.

Brief history:
6-2-10: Ordered from ASI Home
From ASI Invoice: 1 x    Aeon Labs DSB09204-ZWUS - 2-Clamp Home Energy Meter - US Frequency
7-8-10: Shipped from ASI. The 2 CT clamps did not fit my mains.
8-21-10: Returned unit to Aeon Labs (CA location)
10-7-10: Received replacement unit.  Loaded batteries, included fine in network, unloaded batteries.

I paid $94.95 at ASI - not including s/h.  I would like someone here to get some good use out of it.
If interested, please pm me an offer at 'jkw_30096@yahoo.com'.  Questions welcomed.

-Jim
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: JOD on November 04, 2010, 12:59:39 pm
Anyone using the 2 clamp version and reporting a wattage on the non existant clamp 3 labeled "e3" ?
My 2 clamp set up is displaying:

Papa bear is reporting 2176w
and the 3 piglets...
7w on e1,
1108w on e2  
1110w on e3

As you can see, papa bears catch divided between the piggies leaves a bit left over for himself..
Ps. Is anyone still using VERA? ???

JOD.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: cocoabill on November 04, 2010, 07:29:59 pm
You can easily see why home automaton still has not caught on in a big way.  Products are always a science experiment, or half baked; they have come a long way, but still have a way to go.  I was hoping this unit just worked the way most normal folks would want it to, by just showing energy use over time in some sort of chart.  I guess I will just have to learn patience, and hopefully the apps will come.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on November 04, 2010, 11:08:23 pm
Its odd that you both have 3 phases reporting! My 2 clamp model actually only has 2?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: cocoabill on November 07, 2010, 11:51:17 am
I have 4 id's for the energy monitor, the first one reports a sum of the second two when it reports, the third leg has an id, but does not report.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: JOD on November 07, 2010, 12:25:07 pm
I believe thats correct. Parent device and three children. It's just weird that the software, MCV or Aeon would have the 3rd child when it's only a 2 clamp model.
What FW are you running? I'm on 1047 at the moment and for the first time as I wanted to see if my unit rebooted which it hasnt. I'll try 1063 next week where I think the reporting is better. It worked best with 1086 but thats now extinct.  :-\
It would appear MCV has major issues with working out these bugs and seem to be introducing more than they are eliminating...

JOD.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on November 07, 2010, 02:13:42 pm
I think Aeon may have changed the firmware (it was rumored) as I have only 2 phases and the then total. It would be nice if they sorted out the software support for the Aeon but I'm staying on 1047 until the later versions prove to be stableas I'm now on 12 days of uptime with no spontaneous reboot or forced reboot.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: JOD on November 08, 2010, 03:32:10 pm
@strangely,

Do you think the reported newer Aeon FW is a standard for 2 or 3 phase units? Meaning no matter which version of hardware you get its still going to report 3 child devices? not a big deal in just removing the child device for the 2 phase version but in my case its reporting on all 3 with only 2 legs connected. I guess thats what they call phantom power? ;D
I bought 2 units so when I do my ground hog rebuild I'll use the other unit due to this one not reporting correctly and see if there is a difference.
 
JOD.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on November 09, 2010, 01:11:12 am
Sorry no idea but just a hunch that they might have changed the firmware... Could also be one of the changes that Aaron made in the later versions as I'm still running 1047
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: JOD on November 09, 2010, 11:06:42 am
What you said makes sense. I  am on 1047 and showing the 3 devices so I dont think its MCV.
Although if Aeon did change the FW then MCV needs to change theirs to make it compatible..
Either way it's not working correctly with the 2 clamp version showing clamp 1, 2 & 3.

JOD.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: newbneedshelp on January 18, 2011, 09:46:53 am
I have the Aeon Energy Monitor recently purchased. My Vera2 (newest firmware) installed it as 3 devices. Tested it on a lamp and it works fine.
How to configure it and set it up so it becomes useful ?

I guess logging and related graphing would be one of objectives - but how to do it?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: kirbyb on January 18, 2011, 09:25:41 pm
I too have an Aeon energy monitor.  Not sure how to check to see what firmware the monitor is using, or how to update it, or where to get an update from....  My Vera is running firmware version 1.1.1047.

I've got the transmitter powered via a mini? usb power supply, and the Vera about 3 feet away. The device shows up as 4 nodes: GenericIO appears to be the power measured, and has a little battery icon on the web display, that's 'measuring' at 22%.  The GenericIO noe ID is 13.  There are three other nodes, e1, e2, and e3.  A 'snapshot' of the measurements is:
1352, 5, 666, 740.  The defaults for e1, e2, and e2 is 'blank', i.e. poll every 30 (I think) seconds).  It doesn't seem like manually polling works...  I get 'Node never responded' almost all the time.  Does anyone have ANY specs on how this is supposed to work?  Or what the data that's returned looks like?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on January 18, 2011, 11:33:55 pm
I believe MCV has tried to get it to work but it does seem to have some issues (like not always polling when requested).

Whenever the new firmware comes out, you'll see that there are some cosmetic changes to the way it looks; however despite this, it still doesn't work well!

I have no idea what the issue is, or whether MCV, Aeon or both needs to make an update, but when it does start to work then then the place to really look will be through cp.mios.com.

It's also worth keeping an eye on the Aeon website for firmware updates.

I also have mine plugged in via USB for power and also have a battery reading, which it shouldn't!
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: kirbyb on January 19, 2011, 08:55:08 am
Side note, I deleted the nodes, reconfigured them, and now the 'summing' node doesn't have a battery on it....

Kirby
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on January 19, 2011, 10:52:10 am
Whenever I do this with mine... it comes back after a little while :)

By the way, I contacted Aeon support about this and had an response back which I've replied to, and as soon as I hear more then I'll post it here.

Out of interest, I'm wondering if everyone here has the the Blue or White CT's?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: myhomeserver on January 19, 2011, 11:01:45 am
I've spoken with Aeon and sent my older energy monitor back, it had smaller clamps and also was apparently an older model.  I should be getting the products from Aeon Labs soon in the mail and will take some pics and try and get this energy meter installed and working, but I think that MCV has some work to do on their end to fully support it.   My last conversation on the phone with Aaron a month or two ago made it clear that they needed to add more support for it.

Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on January 19, 2011, 11:40:56 am
Kind of annoying that many of these were shipped and yet there was no contact or statement about returning it.

The CT's (although small)  I managed just to get get installed with a little effort! :(
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: JOD on January 19, 2011, 02:50:09 pm
My meter clamps are White.

Version info from Vera: 3,2,78,3,55

JOD.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on January 19, 2011, 09:29:36 pm
Mine is 3,2,97,1,35 with the blue clamps.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on January 20, 2011, 01:28:40 am
For S#*ts and giggles I just did a "configure now" on my Aeon power meter and I'm now finally getting a constant stream of power updates for it now :)

Seems like 1156 (or an earlier version) has some new support for it;  when you configure again, it seems to download a bunch of custom configuration settings that seem to have performed some magic on it!
 
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: kirbyb on January 20, 2011, 09:21:19 am
Mine is 3,2,78,3,55, white clamps.

I did a configure, and the battery icon showed up.  I also started getting 'some' updates.  What do you mean by steady?  Do you have a poll interval 'faster' than default configured?

Side note, tried doing a configure on the 'leg' nodes, and they failed.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on January 20, 2011, 11:21:48 am
It seems to be about every 5 seconds and or any time there is a big change as I'll see some + or -1W fluctuations and then also a few seconds after I turn something then it will also register that.

Previously under the 1.1.1047 version and (many after), the only time it would update is after quite a few polls and refreshes. I no longer have to do this :)

@kirbyb, You won't be able to configure the Child devices (clamp legs), and this is fairly typical of Zwave child devices. I had a suspicion your battery icon would come back :)

Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: kirbyb on January 20, 2011, 01:17:23 pm
I WAS able to delete the child devices...  except for the 'bugus' 5w leg..  That one hangs around.  It doesn't seem to change the behavior of the 'sum' node.

Also, for fun, I put 4 AA batteries in the device, and unplugged the USB power.  The red light went off, and the battery % changed from 22% to 100%. 

What Vera firmware are you running?  A beta?  How can I get one....

Kirby
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on January 20, 2011, 02:08:02 pm
You shouldn't have to wait that long for the new beta release.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: kirbyb on January 20, 2011, 06:40:26 pm
Yeah, support said 'in a couple of days'.

How does one get signed up as an alpha/beta tester?  I've got quite a bit of imbedded linux experience, having been the build process architect and daily builder of IBM's service processor.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: rlmalisz on January 20, 2011, 07:35:33 pm
You shouldn't have to wait that long for the new beta release.

So I'm a software engineer, and as patient as the next person...but I bought my Vera 2 back in August, and as far as I can tell, there's never been any "non-beta" release.  I would argue that what they have released was more along the lines of an alpha, based on the traffic here.  But even so--the standard jargon is alpha/beta/release-candidate(with possible iteration)/release.  These things all mean something for real software projects...and beta means feature-complete.  But that also implies that you have a description somewhere of what features are part of your target release.  I know that part of MCV's problem is that they're on a feature-creep slippery-slope, or at least, have been.  But it would be pretty bad if, after 6 months, what they release is another beta.  If the cycle is going to be closed beta followed by open beta, and then repeat, they're doomed.

--Richard
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: JOD on January 20, 2011, 11:09:36 pm
rlmalisz,

I'm not going to disagree with you and brought up these points in a previous discussion, but I will play devils advocate in the absence of an MCV representative.

MCV is a small company on the leading edge of a still evolving technology, Z-Wave. Agreed, we have had bugs which have taken way too long to get fixed which should be followed by a release, for that I don't have an answer but when you see the big picture of the underlying issues to what is the bigger issue to the entire project, the bugs are inconsequential. Personally I believe their "Guaranteed Compatibility" clause is hurting them / us as there are so many new devices coming to market that they have to make work with Vera, it's never ending....Just a guess.

Stability in the product has been the primary focus for a long while now and I have sat on both sides of the fence here with the forum and have pushed for everything since joining, stability, feature requests, GUI fixes, better communication and even typo corrections. However, I truly believe that what we have here in Vera is nothing short of amazing, yes it still has a long way to go and the list of what we want will never end, but we will keep pushing forward.

What has been discovered recently is flaws in the Z-Wave technology itself which is out of MCV's control, but they are pushing for a fix. I don't know how specific I can be here so will leave out the details, unless someone else on the team wants to fill them in.

I feel your frustration and if it gives you any peace of mind, there are a bunch of great guys working every day here both in front and behind the scenes pushing for everything you can imagine to better the product.

Hang in there...

JOD.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: newbneedshelp on January 24, 2011, 01:16:07 pm
My meter clamps are white. Vera2 reports version no: 3,2,78,3,57

It is very sluggish. Can it report more often than every 60 minutes or less.
How should it be set up - and how do we know that the default setup has been done properly.
How to log its results?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: mbairhead on January 24, 2011, 01:26:09 pm

I feel your frustration and if it gives you any peace of mind, there are a bunch of great guys working every day here both in front and behind the scenes pushing for everything you can imagine to better the product.

Hang in there...

JOD.

Uh....no there's not.

If they responded to ANYONE'S concerns then they might have someone 'in front' but as it is this seems to be a dying or possibly dead product. We keep hearing from other forum members how hard they are working but nothing from them. They even set up a "Company Blog" section and then let it die too. I don't expect them to walk on water but a "Hey guys, we're here and we're working hard to resolve a few issues" every now and then would be great. OR (just spit balling here) if they really are showing up to work every day...respond to a few of the help tickets that have been submitted. I know mine has been in for over a month now.

**Edit**
MCV should know that people are reading this forum. If I were shopping HA today and read all the problems and complaints about MCV itself there's no way I would buy it. I like the product and I hope to have it a long time but I've grown to accept it's quarks and weirdness and complete and total lack of support from MCV. In fact if it wasn't for the forums I would have given up a long time ago and just had some really expensive dimmers in my house.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: myhomeserver on January 24, 2011, 02:21:58 pm
My meter clamps are white, big and very heavy

Vera2 reports Nothing in the version field.  I see NO Version on mine
It's been 2 days since I installed it, any ideas how long this takes to get a version?

I see a POWER Leg #1, POWER leg #2 and a POWER that shows a fluctuation in watts, but I tend to disbelieve that it's properly reading the watts, since I turned on 800+ watts of lights and see only 185 Watts at it's peak. Seems to be polling every few seconds....

It COULD be hooked up wrong, since I have several boxes, standby generator, etc...

It also comes up with Failed at: Setting user Configuration when I attempt to configure....any ideas?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on January 24, 2011, 03:20:25 pm
I also have got a message that says failed at setting user configuration , but otherwise its updating every 5 seconds or so, and the values seem in line with what I'd expect.

When I did the reconfigure, I actually moved it to near Vera to see if that made a difference with the error but it didn't. It does seem to want to download a lot of configuration settings though!

I'm not sure its important, but you should perhaps make sure that both clamps are installed facing the same direction as I saw this in some installation tips for the TED! 
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: TheGadgetGuy on January 24, 2011, 03:26:30 pm
If anyone has an Aeon Labs energy monitor rgat they'd like to sell, PM me. 

thanks.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on January 24, 2011, 03:28:11 pm
@ TheGadgetGuy,

Looks like there might be a couple for sale in this thread: http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=5371.msg30594#msg30594
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: TheGadgetGuy on January 24, 2011, 03:48:40 pm
Thanks.  I thought I had seen a thread about that somewhere...
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on April 16, 2011, 01:19:50 pm
I'm resurrecting this thread in the hope that I can get some help from ASI in getting a product that works!

I bought this thing from ASI about 10 or 11 months ago, to this day, despite repeated  emails (mostly unanswered) to Aeon (Winston), its never worked correctly.

The last email that I received from Winston (about 2 months ago) stated that mine would need a special firmware (I have the blue clamp version), to get it working.

Well 2 months has passed and nothing, and I've had enough!

Barry, as the vendor who sold this, can you help get some resolution on this please? I really cant be bothered sending more emails to Winston. He'll almost always reply with a question, I'll reply and then no answer!

I get repeated lock ups (requires the power to be reset), the device will never finish configuring and it reports a battery level when I don't even have it battery powered!
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: TimAlls on April 16, 2011, 02:20:54 pm
Winston.....if you are reading this.....my company is boycotting you until this is resolved!
I hope this helps....very frustrating I know, I have a drawer full of little gadgets just like that one.
Question: What does work in regards to clamp on metering of the Mains? I would like to know so I and others don't ever have to meet Winston!
Regards
Tim Alls
AllSeas Yachts
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: huogas on April 16, 2011, 02:25:11 pm
Some information here : http://forum.mios.com/index.php?topic=6092.0

I have the TED 5000. Works perfectly with its plugin.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: myhomeserver on April 17, 2011, 10:56:58 am
I have the white clamps and it works well, although it does generate a ton of ZWave traffic if you have it in USB power mode. They definitely had a few models out there with small blue clamps and that version didn't work at all for me either.  The new white clamps are larger and the firmware update worked perfectly once I excluded and re-included it after the update.

Good luck, I hope Winston or Mark over at Aeon comes through for you
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: TimAlls on April 17, 2011, 11:44:31 am
I have the white clamps and it works well, although it does generate a ton of ZWave traffic if you have it in USB power mode. They definitely had a few models out there with small blue clamps and that version didn't work at all for me either.  The new white clamps are larger and the firmware update worked perfectly once I excluded and re-included it after the update.

Good luck, I hope Winston or Mark over at Aeon comes through for you
I am unclear as to what models you are using....can you be more specific?
In regards to Power Monitoring, I am wondering if anyone knows how often Watts are reported to MIOS for building their charts? my software writes to the Watts Variable and I only want to update at the same frequency as MIOS.....just keeping the overhead down!
Regards
Tim Alls
AllSeas Yachts
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on April 17, 2011, 12:09:51 pm
Aeon's HEM is just too flaky. I have the HEM with the white clamps and I can tell you after the firmware update its does not fix the problem. I have had Aeon send me 3 versions none of them give accurate readings. I can un-clamp the hem and it will still show I am pulling 229W on each phase. I am going to go the route of TED.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: ASIHome on April 18, 2011, 10:27:23 am
I'm resurrecting this thread in the hope that I can get some help from ASI in getting a product that works!

I bought this thing from ASI about 10 or 11 months ago, to this day, despite repeated  emails (mostly unanswered) to Aeon (Winston), its never worked correctly.

The last email that I received from Winston (about 2 months ago) stated that mine would need a special firmware (I have the blue clamp version), to get it working.

Well 2 months has passed and nothing, and I've had enough!

Barry, as the vendor who sold this, can you help get some resolution on this please? I really cant be bothered sending more emails to Winston. He'll almost always reply with a question, I'll reply and then no answer!

I get repeated lock ups (requires the power to be reset), the device will never finish configuring and it reports a battery level when I don't even have it battery powered!

I have an email into all of my Aeon contacts to see what we can do.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on April 18, 2011, 11:58:36 am
Guys - Winston sent me a new firmware update I will try when I get back from business. I will let you know how it works this weekend.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on April 24, 2011, 06:43:38 pm
Updated the firmware that Winston sent me and it still has wacky readings. The is no way my home is pulling 16023KWH.

Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: TimAlls on April 24, 2011, 08:27:25 pm
Come on Winston....the world is watching!
 ???
Tim
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on May 14, 2011, 02:04:37 pm
Just received the New Aeon Hem....Will install it today and see  if this one is any better.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on May 14, 2011, 09:08:20 pm
I've still got to RMA mine, I'm not really looking forward to removing the old one from the panel, as it was a bugger to get in!
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on May 14, 2011, 10:21:41 pm
Well so far my experience has not been good. It configures but I am getting no data out of it. Will try to take it off and remove and reconfigure.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on May 14, 2011, 10:48:42 pm
Weird beast....its now started reporting Watts.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: oTi@ on May 15, 2011, 07:36:01 am
Weird beast....its now started reporting Watts.
Sensible Watts I take it, not 16023?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: wseverino on May 15, 2011, 10:21:53 am
Yes, it is showing 1797 watts currently. However, not getting any kwh reading.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: fronobulax on June 28, 2011, 07:01:59 am
Yes, it is showing 1797 watts currently. However, not getting any kwh reading.

Forgive me for asking a newbie question in the middle of the conversation, but my understanding via observation is that the "Home Energy Monitor" device should be a sum of the Clamp1 and Clamp2. If this is true have you noticed that the numbers do not add up?
Sample 1
Leg one is pulling 6.6 Amps
Leg two is pulling 13.9 Amps
Home Energy Monitor is reporting 13.3 Amps

Sample 2
Leg one is pulling 6.8 Amps
Leg two is pulling 7.5 Amps
HEM is reporting 20.2 Amps

Shouldn't the Home Energy Monitor report 20.5 Amps for sample one and 14.3 for sample two, have I forgotten something about electricity, or does the device on the dashboard not report what I think it reports?

I know it's just a pet peeve of mine, but I really wish they would change their reporting units to current, because it is what they are actually measuring with a clamp on probe. Just put a variable on the settings page for voltage then report KWH from that.

Above things said:
The monitor installed in about 10 minutes and works great so far. Just trying to figure out what it is reporting and why the numbers don't seem to add up.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: vw on June 28, 2011, 01:48:36 pm
I'm having similar problems.

I installed the 3 phase version a few days ago. With white clamps.

1. Total doesn't add up at all.
2. Updates are very infrequent.

As a result I can not trust any of the numbers and the whole thing is pretty useless.

Haven't found anything in the forums so far. Except strangely mentioning updates every 5 seconds! That's what I want!

I changed the polling settings, but that doens't seem to do anything. And manual polling fails most of the times, as has been mentioned in lots of posts.

sigh...
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on June 28, 2011, 02:48:41 pm
I'm having similar problems.

I installed the 3 phase version a few days ago. With white clamps.

1. Total doesn't add up at all.
2. Updates are very infrequent.

As a result I can not trust any of the numbers and the whole thing is pretty useless.

Haven't found anything in the forums so far. Except strangely mentioning updates every 5 seconds! That's what I want!

I changed the polling settings, but that doens't seem to do anything. And manual polling fails most of the times, as has been mentioned in lots of posts.

sigh...

Do you have yours USB powered or via battery? Maybe the updates only come in frequently on USB power.
Also which version are you running on your Vera?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: vw on June 28, 2011, 04:34:11 pm
Hi,

USB powered. Using Vera 2 which automatically updated to the latest firmware.

Is yours still working correctly with updates every 5 seconds? That would be so good!

Although Vera only sends samples every half an hour to the website. Are there any alternative sites (or applications) to handle the data? Some plugin to send the data into an RRD or something?

(Yes, I received my Vera+HEM the exact day Google announced killing off Google Power...)

Thanks
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on June 28, 2011, 05:06:00 pm
Yep mine is still sending updates about every 5 seconds or so, I have some other issues though, but that's another subject.

Did you update your Vera to the latest firmware before adding the HEM or afterwards?
If the HEM was added before you updated Vera, then you may want to try clicking the "Configure Node right now" button for it in the settings tab of the device.

Vera has to send it a bunch of configuration parameters to get it to start flowing the information out, and this would not have been in the original firmware that your Vera shipped with (1.1.1047 most likely).

regarding Google etc, AFAIK there is no other 3rd party where this information is sent or could be used.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: vw on June 28, 2011, 05:18:36 pm
Good to hear there's some hope left :)

I tried the "Configure Node" button and healing and whatever. Tomorrow I'll try to delete the HEM from the zwave network and then reassociate it.

Next on the list is filing a support ticket and have them have a look at it.

I did find out how to get the Watt values in a simple format with a simple http request. Shouldn't be too difficult to pump that into an RRD. I suppose a plugin would be possible too and probably more efficient.

But the values need to be non garbage and updated regularly before there's any point in doing so.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: vw on July 04, 2011, 08:14:12 pm
Just to keep you guys up to date: I received a reply from micasaverde tech support today. They know about the problem and are working with Aeon labs to fix it. Hopefully in a next version.

In my situation the total seems to be giving a correct value, while the individual clamps don't, so it's at least somewhat useful.

I'm now thinking of experimenting with some custom commands using the info here: hem.xml (http://code.google.com/p/open-zwave/source/browse/trunk/config/aeon_labs/hem.xml)

Whenever I have time...
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: rcnap on August 17, 2011, 11:50:39 am
As far as Bulogics goes, we are working with them on both their Shutdown Stick and PowerStrip however they have been very busy with shows and meetings. I will work on an update for that as well.

Any news on the Bulogics PowerStrip?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Chris on September 13, 2011, 10:32:46 am
I just thought I'd make a few comments on this after having installed the HEM today.  I initially had some confusion similar to that noted by others in this thread, but I think it's working, and I think I understand what's going on... (although it will probably do something to prove me wrong now!)

Firstly, I ended up removing the batteries - I don't know that this made any difference, but I found the unit was acting a bit strange when it wasn't USB powered, and also if I plugged in the USB after the batteries. There's a configuration setting inside the unit that disables (be default) accumulating energy when running on batteries (parameter 12).

I then found it wasn't updating very often. After a search, I found a programming reference and changed some of the units configuration. Since then, it's been working reasonably well. In the device options tab, I changed parameter 101 to 00003f0f (setting to a 4 byte hex). This should enable all reports. The default (7 I think) didn't send the clamp readings automatically.

Now, when I turn something on, within 20 seconds (the report period) I get an update.

A couple of other observations that may answer some questions people have.

Anyway, that's just my 2p worth following quite a short play with the unit, but it does seem to be working fine (now).

Also, I see someone on this thread asking about graphing data more often than 30 mins. I've just written a "dataMine" plugin that allows logging and graphing of data direct from the Vera - it's posted in the programming board (although it still needs some work!).

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: vespaman on September 14, 2011, 03:45:53 pm
Excellent Chris!

I have just ordered a HEM, and I'll certainly try your dataMine as soon as I get it.

One question though. I'd like to have a few HEM's, one for the boiler, and one for the heat pump, as well as one for the incoming/total.
Is this supported by Vera? By a plugin?

Cheers,
 Micael
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Chris on September 14, 2011, 04:24:47 pm
I don't see why multiple HEMs wouldn't be supported - they should just associate as a separate device/sensor, so it shouldn't be a problem (although I'm not 100% sure as I can't test it).

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: harald on October 06, 2011, 07:05:12 am
How did you guys connect the hem to the cables?.. I have the 3-legged version and have tried multiple ways of connecting it.

tried 1 clamp on 3 different devices (boiler, oven, dryer) and nothing reported.
tried using just 1 clamp over the main powerline before circuit panel and nothing reported.

There's absolutely no information on how to use this beast... I guess I should have read more about it before ordering.. :) any advice?


I have vera2 fw 1.1.1350 the hem is controlled by a z-stick connected to vera.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: harald on October 06, 2011, 05:40:59 pm
Finally got it running the way I wanted.. It seems that the parameter settings for 101 has changed somewhat from the version Chris has. My Vera reports version :3,2,78,3,60

I have a three-phase 4-wire power network, so I connected the three clamps to L1, L2 and L3 respectively, skipped the Neutral.. please comment on this since I'm not an electro engineer.. :)

Parameter 101 for my device is as follows: 4 bytes dec.
bit 0 = Battery status
bit 1 = MRC (Meter Report Command) 0= don't send report, 1=send automatic report on group 1.
bit 2 = MSRC (Multilevel Sensor Report Command) same as above
the bits from msb and down to bit 3 is reserved.

Since I'm running on USB power, setting bit 1 resulted in an "failure to set user configuration". By setting the value to 6 reports started to fly in!. I also changed parameter 111 to 5 (sending report every 5 seconds)..

So now the HEM module reports correct values, however the clamps is somewhat stuck when vera receives the first report. They don't update as expected. Has anyone got them reporting correctly?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: vespaman on October 07, 2011, 04:47:29 pm
Harald,

May I ask how you got to know the bits of parameter 101? I have almost the same version 2,2,78,59 in my HEM-3.

I have an issue with the white clamps, they are *huge*. In no way will they fit in my electrical box. (Living in 3-phase 230V land)..  So now it is just laying on the table beside me.  >:(
Maybe I can put it outside in the heat pump, but then it is only spec'd for minus 10 or something the like... Hmm.

 Micael
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: harald on October 11, 2011, 06:27:01 am
Sure, I found a tech-spec for developers here : http://www.smarthus.info/support/manuals/zw_spmoduler/aeon_hem_tech.pdf. So I configured the HEM in Vera accordingly. And since it worked I obviously have sw-version 1.0 or 1.1 of the HEM or at least a compatible version. The documentation on this product is not available from Aeon. I sent them an e-mail asking for it, but I received no response at all..

The clamps are indeed HUGE :o . I managed to pull some cables a bit to get the clamps around the cables, but it was no walk in the park.

My power-meter is Landis+Gyr E230 so I plugged in on L1, L2 and L3, I reviewed this with an electrician-buddy of mine and he said that my power meter was configured to supply on L1, L2 and L3, so it was the optimal way of connecting it. But there's another way to configure it so you might have to use the clamps on L1, L2 and N in order to get correct wattage.

F.Y.I the clamps in vera doesn't update but the main module reports correct :) See the attached image. (one sample every 5 seconds)
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: vespaman on October 11, 2011, 04:15:45 pm
Thanks!  I knew I was missing something...  8)

I don't know if I should use the three phases or the neutral.. Is there a way of knowing? Does it depend of whether the incoming electricity supply includes a neutral or not? ???
I can ask on a Swedish electricity forum I guess.


Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: harald on October 12, 2011, 05:47:03 am
Well, one way of figuring it out might be to put the clamps on L1, L2, L3 and run around your house and test the outlets with a 500w lamp and se if that creates a spike in the HEM.. And of course you have to start all the permanent installations such as the floor-heating if present, boiler, ceiling lamps etc...
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: vespaman on October 15, 2011, 04:04:28 pm
I have now got an answer on the Swedish forum, and according to that person, all installations in Sweden has the kind where the probes shall go on the phases.
 :)

Now I just need to do the actual work.... :D

Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: vespaman on October 30, 2011, 11:08:11 am
OK, so finally I have installed my unit on the heat pump.

But is there a way of hiding the three clamps in the user interface? Or at least invisible to the power graph?

It seams that the clamps sporadically sends a garbage power value, which stays on until I put the clamp into the trashcan. (Then it arrives back, but clean of value).

This garbage value makes the power graph report go bad.

Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Hayward57 on November 18, 2011, 01:51:38 am
The Aeon Labs Smart Energy Monitor is a low-cost energy monitor for the entire home. It can wirelessly report immediate wattage and kWh usage to central control point gateways such as the 4HomeMedia CP and can be easily and safely installed by anyone.

Ease and safety are paramount: Electricians are not required to install the Aeon Labs Smart Energy Monitor; the customer never needs to handle hot exposed wiring. Current transformer clamps clamp around the AC Mains to detect energy usage for the entire house. The main body is anchored using a back mount which opens to easily for battery replacement every 1 years.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: nickrwym on November 20, 2011, 04:28:19 pm
Hi

For single phase kit you need to put the clamp round a single conductor to the item you are measuring, live or neutral whichever is easiest to get on

For 3 phase you need one clamp on each of the 3 lives and ignore the neutral.

For me it failed to set up with the batteries in, disassociating, removing batteries and then associating while USB powered and batteries removed then worked, it took a while for the 3 clamps to appear though.

Each of the 3 clamps gives an individual output and there is a sum as well. For me I am going to use them on the main incomer and on 2 large separate loads that I want to monitor.

I also want to log 2 temperatures, just need to master Dataminer now!

Nick
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: vw on November 21, 2011, 05:02:26 pm
Just wanted to report that I'm finally getting this HEM thing working.

Using this documentation http://code.google.com/p/open-zwave/source/browse/trunk/config/aeon_labs/hem.xml (http://code.google.com/p/open-zwave/source/browse/trunk/config/aeon_labs/hem.xml) I started playing with setting Device Options manually. Mainly codes 101, 102, 103, 111, 112, 113. Trying to get 5 second updates for ALL three clamps and a total. So that means 3F0F (4 byte hex) for 101, 102 and 103 and 5 (4 byte hex) for 111, 112, 113.

Now FINALLY I'm getting sensible updates for each of the clamps and the total does add up.

My remaining problem is however that now Vera complains "Failed at: Setting user configuration" and randomly reads wrong values back for some settings (even ones I didn't change at all).

To be continued.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: vw on November 21, 2011, 07:32:34 pm
Aaargh I'm going crazy!

Couldn't get the errors to go away, so I figured I'd remove the whole thing and then pair it again with Vera. Now I can't get it back anymore!

A "Generic IO" device appears and later on even 3 sub-devices. They do show some Watts reading (not sure if it's accurate), but "Failed at: Getting the version".

Tried adding the "255" "Device Option" which ought to reset it to factory defaults, but I don't think it's taking. Does anyone know how to reset the device using the physical button?

Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: pzucchel on November 26, 2011, 06:41:24 pm
HI to All,

 i think i've broken through...i also had all the same issues: MW readings, unfrequent update, irregular response...

THE SOLUTION: exclude it from the vera2 (see instructions, long press of the z-wave button) and then reinclude the unit....it starts working.

 ;D

if you have firmware 3.60, the googles instruction reported below match the information from AEON:
http://www.pepper1.net/zwavedb/uploads/resources/e0b35c0e67818e05ae869d08ec5b236709fcebad.pdf

i have two clamps, i disabled parameter 3 (write a zero) and set 0x304 in parameter 101. Now, the two clamps give sensible readings, they are updated every 30 seconds (my choice, choose the time interval you like in 111) with a constant pace....and yes - if i put them on the same power line they give the same number within 5%.

Hope it helps,
Best

Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Minnies on November 27, 2011, 07:37:03 pm
Okay I changed configuration variables 3, 4 and 5 and am getting more frequent updates.

My question is with regards to the two child devices.  Can they be deleted without any other impact? I am not on location and do not want to do something that would require reinstallation.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: vw on November 29, 2011, 03:52:01 am
Well... I didn't do much for a week, and then one day the errors were gone and it was back to default (crappy) behaviour.

This time I changed the values one by one, slowly adjusting them to what I wanted and now will leave it at the following:

3 - 1 byte dec - 7 (I didn't change this, see below)
101 - 4 byte HEX - 0704  (less bits set, should cause less data traffic I guess)
111 - 4 byte dec - 15

All the documentation I have says setting 3 (Enable Delta) should be 0 or 1, but for some reason it wants to be 7 on my device. I'm not gonna touch that anymore.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: nickrwym on December 07, 2011, 05:47:17 pm
Hi

My system is taking shape now and I am getting useful data out of Vera via DataMine.

I have a 3 clamp Aeon working and responding well and now want to perform calculations on the outputs to create a virtual 4th channel and don't know how easy this will be.

I am set up with:-

clamp 1 on the incoming supply reading the whole house consumption.

Clamp 2 on the heat pump running the heating system

Clamp 3 on the hot tub supply.

What I would like to do would be to create a "remaining loads" channel comprising

remaining load = clamp 1 - clamp 2 - clamp 3.

This would let me start pinning down what else is using power and how much of it.
 Ideally it would appear as a virtual device so that  I can log it in DataMine.

Any thoughts on doing sums on the Aeon outputs are welcome.

Nick
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: guessed on December 07, 2011, 11:28:20 pm
Both @futzle's CurrentCost EnviR Energy Monitor, and the Brultech Power Meter, plugins have code to handle the channel Addition/Subtraction stuff.  They have different implementations, but the net-effect is the same.

You could skinny down the code of either of those plugins to do effectively the same thing on the Sensor device values of another set of devices... any devices really, esp if someone wanted to add "Average", and other aggregation functions.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: nickrwym on December 08, 2011, 02:52:34 pm
Thanks for the reply, I've looked at the threads on those two devices and it all looks interesting.

I'm a newcomer to Vera and still feeling my way round so at the moment I am struggling with where to start, would I want to edit the existing AEON device drivers and do my sums in there (risking breaking what I have) or can I create a new "virtual device" which will get it's information from the 3 existing aeon child devices that provide clamp 1, clamp 2, and clamp 3 readings and do my sums there (preferred option)?

I'm reading into plugins etc but it's a massive learning curve from where I am starting from.

All thoughts welcome

Nick
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: nickrwym on December 09, 2011, 05:55:51 pm
OK, been giving it more thought and realise there is a "hopefully simple" change needed here/

The Aeon has a master device and 3 slaves in Vera, the slaves being the 3 individual clamps and the master "already having a calculation in it" which is the sum of the 3 clamps.

This is designed for 3 phase systems where the total power is that calculation.

In my case everything is going through clamp 1 and then 2 and 3 cover individual large loads.

If I can simply modify this sum in the master device to be

clamp 1 - clamp 2 - clamp 3 

Instead of 1 + 2 + 3

I can achieve what I am after without major coding.

Has anyone any idea where the master device calculation takes place?? I can't see a lua file associated with the Aeon in the plugins directory, where would it be located??

Many thanks

Nick
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: guessed on December 10, 2011, 02:47:08 am
I haven't seen the Aeon implementation but if it's implemented with Lua, then it'll be in either:
    /etc/cmh-lu/    OR;
    /etc/cmh-ludl/

and like as a L_*.lua or I_*.xml style of file.  If this turns out to be the case, then it can be "extended" with the same type of code @futzle and I have in our respective plugins.

On the other hand, if you don't find these, then it's been implemented in C.  If this turns out to be the case, you'd need to build a companion device/plugin that "knows" the DeviceId's of the respective Power devices to perform it's math on, and then do the calculations there.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: nickrwym on December 10, 2011, 03:13:34 am
No obvious file names in those directories.

There are files such as D_EnergyCalculator1.xml but I think they are the Vera energy stuff rather than the Aeon.

Looks like that calculation is built in -(

Do MCV write the implementation files for Z-wave accessories or do they come from the manufacturer (Aeon in this case)?

I don't know enough about the  sequence of events when devices are being made compatible with Vera here.

Nick
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: guessed on December 10, 2011, 03:23:55 am
For things like this, MCV's team writes them.  The device "exposes itself" on Z-Wave using some sort of convention for the parent and children details, and then MCV does something in C to materialize it in the UI.

This is how other compound devices, like the HSM100 work as well.  They're "closed" in implementation.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Fitzy on November 27, 2012, 10:03:53 pm
Just reading all the posts re the Aeon Labs HEM and notice there hasnt been any recent posts on the product or the mountains of problems everyone was experiencing with it and the support within Vera.

Does this mean the problem/s are all fixed and the device works well now and integrates with Vera fully or has everyone just got tired of waiting and moved onto other products?

I would like to replace my stand alone device and integrate it into my HA setup using Vera and I'm not sure if the HEM from Aeon Labs is the way to go or to use another device like the CurrentCost Envir?

I have spoken to others in other threads but given this one is specific to the HEM I thought I would ask again.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: emvrijswick on December 01, 2012, 12:13:15 pm
Hi all,

I bought a HEM3 and it's working pretty nicely after configuring a few parameters. I only have one problem and it's pretty irritating. The Watts displayed are about a factor 3 too high. I live in Europe, so 240 V power. I've set the parameter for 240V, so that should be fine (110V would give me a lower reading). When I turn on a 40 Watt lightbulb, it shows up as using 70 Watt. When turning on a 70W device, it shows up as using 200W.

Anybody having similar problems or knows of a possible solution?

@Scottf, not all problems gone then  ;)
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on December 01, 2012, 12:35:08 pm
I bought a HEM3 and it's working pretty nicely

Quote
I only have one problem and it's pretty irritating. The Watts displayed are about a factor 3 too high. I live in Europe, so 240 V power. I've set the parameter for 240V, so that should be fine (110V would give me a lower reading). When I turn on a 40 Watt lightbulb, it shows up as using 70 Watt. When turning on a 70W device, it shows up as using 200W.

How can that be considered as working pretty nicely with that much of contradiction? Seriously RMA it!
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: emvrijswick on December 01, 2012, 01:17:30 pm
How can that be considered as working pretty nicely with that much of contradiction? Seriously RMA it!

I've been trying to install it in Homeseer which left me totally frustrated, after that I tried it on Vera2 expecting an even worse excercise, but the only thing that goes wrong is the actual values it's sending. It's a consistent factor off, so I can imagine changing some value to correct it. Therefore I found it working pretty well, since I could just change the voltage by the factor it is off to correct the read out. I was just wondering if anybody else had encountered this and knows of a better solution, maybe I'm doing something wrong. I also don't think there is any alternative for the european marked for measuring power...

Next to that, yesterday I RMA-ed 6 Duewi switches and one Fibaro 221, I'm really hoping that I finally get something that I can get to work  ;)
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: strangely on December 01, 2012, 01:30:49 pm
Return it if you can, or do like me and chalk it up as a bad mistake!

Either get either a Ted 5000 or Brultech which are far more accurate, and have Vera plugins. I'm about to order a Brultech Greeneye which allows for monitoring of 32 circuits.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: emvrijswick on December 01, 2012, 02:25:23 pm
Return it if you can, or do like me and chalk it up as a bad mistake!

Either get either a Ted 5000 or Brultech which are far more accurate, and have Vera plugins. I'm about to order a Brultech Greeneye which allows for monitoring of 32 circuits.
Unfortunately the TED5000 is not available for 50Hz 240V. The Brultech might be an option, thanks for the tip!

I've just changed the voltage of the HEM3 from 240V to 70V to compensate for the too high power it is showing. Now I get a reasonable readout, but I've not payed 130 euro for a unit that I have to calibrate myself, so I will probably return it. I already have an rfxPwr that is out of calibration, so no added value for keeping the HEM3. Unless someone can offer a better solution (wondering what the re-calibrate function does   ;))
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: thetonyg on December 13, 2012, 10:53:00 pm
Hi gang,

I got my HEM working really well with Vera thanks to some tips and information in this thread.  I'll just try to combine all of that information here (as far as what helped me) so maybe this will help someone else.   It seems to be really accurate as I am running it in conjunction with a TED5000, and it's always less than 2% off from TED (with faster updates -- sadly I have noisy wiring in the house and so I have regular problems with TED).

Problem #0 -- yes, we start at 0, like any good technologist :)  Firmware needed to be updated to 3.67 (available on wiki.micasaverde.com, just search for 3.67)
Problem #1 -- the unit showed up as an inwall switch and two separate generic IO devices.  Per pzucchel's post, I removed and readded the unit and Vera recognized the two clamps and main meter correctly!
Problem #2 -- infrequent / inaccurate updates.  Parameter 3, Enable Delta, needed to be set to 0.  When Delta is enabled, HEM only reports when power usage has changed by 25 watts or by 5% (default values in my Vera UI5), which should cut down on Zwave network traffic.  Unfortunately this was somehow making the readings unreliable / incorrect / infrequent.  I also changed update frequency to 10 seconds (parameter 111).
Problem #3 -- clamps were not sending updates.  This looks like a deficiency in Vera's default values for parameter 101.  I don't blame MCV as it seems you can get an HEM with either 2 or 3 clamps, and parameter 101 is different depending on which model you have.  Default value for my install was 12, which only sets meter reports for the whole unit and not individual clamps. 

The doc at http://www.pepper1.net/zwavedb/uploads/resources/e0b35c0e67818e05ae869d08ec5b236709fcebad.pdf was very helpful (thanks for posting that link pzucchel!). 

2 clamp variety parameter 101: set to 6924
3 clamp variety parameter 101: set to 16140

This will turn on clamp reporting at the same time the whole unit reports.

Hope this helps someone along the way.
Title: As
Post by: Thomasss on February 12, 2013, 01:19:52 pm
...
Thanks man ! It is finally working !! Thanks also to pzucchel to helping us.

I was affected by problem one and two and was solved by putting parameter 101 to 16140
Other setting seems to remain at default... When I made the change (all at once) I get the "failed at setting user config".
So I put them ba&ck to original settings except settings 101 and hit reload again.

After a 2nd reload all settings were sets as you describe it but I did already put all setting back to their default (except 101).


so after a third reload, settings look like this and it seem to be working:
3 : 1
101 : 16140
111 :30


thanks again
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: melinm on March 12, 2013, 06:24:12 pm
OK, been giving it more thought and realise there is a "hopefully simple" change needed here/

The Aeon has a master device and 3 slaves in Vera, the slaves being the 3 individual clamps and the master "already having a calculation in it" which is the sum of the 3 clamps.

This is designed for 3 phase systems where the total power is that calculation.

In my case everything is going through clamp 1 and then 2 and 3 cover individual large loads.

If I can simply modify this sum in the master device to be

clamp 1 - clamp 2 - clamp 3 

Instead of 1 + 2 + 3

I can achieve what I am after without major coding.

Has anyone any idea where the master device calculation takes place?? I can't see a lua file associated with the Aeon in the plugins directory, where would it be located??

Many thanks

Nick

You can create you own device and setting the value on a watching method
I do something like this with my 2 clamp version:

I create a virtual device type urn:schemas-micasaverde-com:device:PowerMeter:1 with device file D_PowerMeter1.xml

and in my startup script:
HEM_GEN is my first clamp ,HEM_PV my second clamp and HEM_CALC is my virtual device


luup.variable_watch("calcPowerKwh","urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","KWH",HEM_GEN)
luup.variable_watch("calcPowerWatts","urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","Watts",HEM_GEN)


function calcPowerKwh()
--kwh
local kwhGen = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "KWH", HEM_GEN)
local kwhPv = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "KWH", HEM_PV)
local s=kwhGen-kwhPv
luup.variable_set("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","KWH",s,HEM_CALC)
end
 
function calcPowerWatts()
--Watts
local wattsGen = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "Watts", HEM_GEN)
local wattsPv = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "Watts", HEM_PV)
local s=wattsGen-wattsPv
luup.variable_set("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","Watts",s,HEM_CALC)
end
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: leywok on March 13, 2013, 11:55:54 am
I'm a newbie, just adding on a new system for a remote property. So far, the HEM is the worst device to set up.
After 2 weeks of reading the boards, adding/deleting device about 10 times, it does not read anything.
2 clamps, USB power all to no avail.
Am I missing something or is this a POS.?
I did also upgrade the HEM software.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Thomasss on March 13, 2013, 12:27:13 pm
I'm a newbie, just adding on a new system for a remote property. So far, the HEM is the worst device to set up.
After 2 weeks of reading the boards, adding/deleting device about 10 times, it does not read anything.
2 clamps, USB power all to no avail.
Am I missing something or is this a POS.?
I did also upgrade the HEM software.
Take a look at the page before. Specially this post from thetonyg : http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,3366.msg94937.html#msg94937 (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,3366.msg94937.html#msg94937)
You need to modify the device option of the master device in order to get it working proprelly.

After a few week with settings bellow, mine are still working very well. Thanks again to thetonyg.

3 : 1
101 : 16140
111 :30

Good luck
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Adam Ingham on May 05, 2013, 08:03:33 am
Has anyone got the HEM working with the following equation:
Clamp1 - Clamp2 = Energy_Avalable

I've got clamp1 measuring power usage of my home & clamp2 measuring my solar generation in watts.
I've followed the instructions Posted by: melinm, and the virtual device shows in the U15 but no power showing.

Any help would be greatly appreciated .

Adam
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Vito on May 08, 2013, 02:09:05 pm
I've purchased the two-clamp HEM, but I'm trying to monitor the two mains (in the US - two 110's), as well as the Solar PV line.  My goal is to obtain the total net usage in the house.  Can I purchase a third clamp without buying an entirely new unit?  Is there a simpler solution to my problem?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Fitzy on June 05, 2013, 05:06:16 am
Has anyone got the HEM working with the following equation:
Clamp1 - Clamp2 = Energy_Avalable

I've got clamp1 measuring power usage of my home & clamp2 measuring my solar generation in watts.
I've followed the instructions Posted by: melinm, and the virtual device shows in the U15 but no power showing.

Any help would be greatly appreciated .

Adam

Hi Adam

Did you have any luck getting this working?

I just setup a three clamp version (clamp 1 - mains, clamp 2 - solar and just to use it clamp 3 - air-conditioner) and am wanting to do something similar.

Ideally I want the master device to only report clamp 1 minus clamp 2 = total power being used (and ignore clamp 3 altogether as this is just to see how much power the air-conditioner is using when its on).

Thanks
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: gwright77 on June 11, 2013, 10:23:24 am
Hello,

I have a 3 clamp version and plan to use each clamp on an individual single phase sub main in a commercial environment.

I am using the Ergy plugin and this does what I need - however it only shows the precalculated sum of the 3 phases device as an engery meter and usable by Ergy. Is there any way to expose all of the individual clamps an an engery meter?

Thanks,

Graham
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Adam Ingham on June 25, 2013, 04:15:59 pm
Hi Fitzy,
Sorry, no, I didn't manage to get this working. Gave up.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Fitzy on June 26, 2013, 06:20:09 am
Hi Fitzy,
Sorry, no, I didn't manage to get this working. Gave up.

Thanks :-)

Hopefully someone can have a win and share with everyone how to do it
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: melinm on July 10, 2013, 05:19:59 am
Has anyone got the HEM working with the following equation:
Clamp1 - Clamp2 = Energy_Avalable

I've got clamp1 measuring power usage of my home & clamp2 measuring my solar generation in watts.
I've followed the instructions Posted by: melinm, and the virtual device shows in the U15 but no power showing.

Any help would be greatly appreciated .

Adam

Hi Adam

Did you have any luck getting this working?

I just setup a three clamp version (clamp 1 - mains, clamp 2 - solar and just to use it clamp 3 - air-conditioner) and am wanting to do something similar.

Ideally I want the master device to only report clamp 1 minus clamp 2 = total power being used (and ignore clamp 3 altogether as this is just to see how much power the air-conditioner is using when its on).

Thanks

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,3366.msg105801.html#msg105801
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: phoenix1030 on July 15, 2013, 03:50:04 pm
I have the 2 clamp version HEM with vera lite. All three devices are detected (2 clamps, one total device). Initially all devices were giving readings properly. After a few days of operation I now have the following issues:

1. Clamp 1 is frozen and does not appear to be reading any new values.
2. clamp 1 + clamp 2, does not equal what's reported in total. I presume this is due to the frozen clamp or the clamp values are being reported at different intervals than total.

I've gone through the steps listed: http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,3366.msg94937.html#msg94937

I've changed the following device options and still seeing the problem:
3 = 0
101 = 6924
111 = 10


Also, my device is reading version: 3,2,78,67

Any help would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Pshomectrl on July 20, 2013, 06:04:50 am
@phoenix1030
I had the same problem with my HEM.
Everytime one of the clamps was frozen, i realized that also the "capabilities" line in the settings tab of the frozen clamp was empty.
After "Config Node right now" (only for the Masterdevice of HEM) all clamps are reading corectly again.
When i found this i started to write a scene which checks (LUUP Code) if one of the "capabilities" line is empty. If so, it starts a Config node for the masterdevice of HEM.
After this, i no longer had problems with.
My scene uses no Trigger.
It uses a scheduler starting the schen every 15 Minutes. (This can be also a longer timeperiod)
It uses this LUUP Code:
(Even if i read "clamp all" and all 3 single clamps i'm only checking for "clamp all" and clamp 1 and clamp 2)

local c_all = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:ZWaveDevice1", "Capabilities", 16)
local c_1 = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:ZWaveDevice1", "Capabilities", 17)
local c_2 = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:ZWaveDevice1", "Capabilities", 18)
local c_3 = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:ZWaveDevice1", "Capabilities", 19)
if (c_all == "210,28,0,4,33,1,L,R,B,RS,|49,50:2,96:2,112,114,128,133,134,"
 and c_1 == "210,28,0,4,33,1,L,R,B,RS,|49,50,"
 and c_2 == "210,28,0,4,33,1,L,R,B,RS,|49,50,") then
 return false
end


Hope it was described clear and helps you.
Regards, Paul

Append from Paul:
In meantime, i realized, that all the "capabilities" do have other entries.
That's why, my AEON will simply be reconfigured every 15 Minutes.
May be, it's better to check for empty "capabilities" lines instead of checking for a specific value.
Maybe, this changes happened after updating VERAs firmware.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: mrcashback on July 23, 2013, 04:59:19 am
OK, been giving it more thought and realise there is a "hopefully simple" change needed here/

The Aeon has a master device and 3 slaves in Vera, the slaves being the 3 individual clamps and the master "already having a calculation in it" which is the sum of the 3 clamps.

This is designed for 3 phase systems where the total power is that calculation.

In my case everything is going through clamp 1 and then 2 and 3 cover individual large loads.

If I can simply modify this sum in the master device to be

clamp 1 - clamp 2 - clamp 3 

Instead of 1 + 2 + 3

I can achieve what I am after without major coding.

Has anyone any idea where the master device calculation takes place?? I can't see a lua file associated with the Aeon in the plugins directory, where would it be located??

Many thanks

Nick

You can create you own device and setting the value on a watching method
I do something like this with my 2 clamp version:

I create a virtual device type urn:schemas-micasaverde-com:device:PowerMeter:1 with device file D_PowerMeter1.xml

and in my startup script:
HEM_GEN is my first clamp ,HEM_PV my second clamp and HEM_CALC is my virtual device


luup.variable_watch("calcPowerKwh","urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","KWH",HEM_GEN)
luup.variable_watch("calcPowerWatts","urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","Watts",HEM_GEN)


function calcPowerKwh()
--kwh
local kwhGen = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "KWH", HEM_GEN)
local kwhPv = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "KWH", HEM_PV)
local s=kwhGen-kwhPv
luup.variable_set("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","KWH",s,HEM_CALC)
end
 
function calcPowerWatts()
--Watts
local wattsGen = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "Watts", HEM_GEN)
local wattsPv = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "Watts", HEM_PV)
local s=wattsGen-wattsPv
luup.variable_set("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","Watts",s,HEM_CALC)
end

OK, so, I read it, and the script makes perfect sence, BUT, I have NFI how to impliment it.... was hoping you (or anyone for that matter) may be able to break this down step by step for a complete noob.
definiteley including... how do I add a virtual device that does the above.
Where do I put the start up script
are any other fields important (ie id, parent, implementation filename etc)
Im presuming HEM_GEM/HEM_PV correspond with the names of your clamps??

I did what I thought might be the right (and went to develop app which was the only section that had anything looking remoteley similar), and got a device to appear that said Watts KWH, but with no figures that were calculated - it didnt seem to be actually pulling any data from anywhere, so, I think rather than assume ANY of what I did was accurate, I may just be best starting at the top and going through each step one at a time!   ???
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Pshomectrl on July 23, 2013, 11:19:52 am
Hi mrcashback
As i realized, all the calculation are done inside the AEON HEM.
AEON meassures the actual Watts and also counts all the used KWh after the last reset for all 3 clamps and also for the master which is the product from all 3 clamps.
VERA only reads the values out of the AEON HEM
One thing all of you should care is that AEON only meassures resitive loads correctly. If for example a vacumcleaner is running, then AEON shows more powerconsumption as a real usage meter. This is, i think, because these inductive clamps can not see in which direction the power goes. (from the supplyer to the motor or from motor to the supplyer.) More info is to find by reading info about Cos.-Phi.

Regards, Paul
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: mrcashback on July 23, 2013, 11:57:33 am
I see the resistive load thing in effect as it shows 150w being produced by each of my solar arrays in the middle of the night - obviously not true... but during the day it seemed fairly accurate to the production values specified by the inverters.
So, With this in mind, inspired by melinm's post I quoted above, what I'm hoping to do is:

Clamp 1: Neutral Wire from Main circuit RCD should measure actual house usage
Clamp 2: Solar Inverter #1 Live wire before it reaches main breaker to read production
Clamp 3: Solar Inverter #2 Live Wire before it reaches main breaker to read production

I'd like to create a virtual device (or devices) as described above which will allow me to view
House Usage KW from Clamp 1
Solar Production (Clamp 2 + Clamp 3)
Net Import/Feed in KW (Clamp 1 - Clamp 2 - Clamp 3)

And (now I'm Pushing it) all while negating readings from clamps 2 + 3 entireley if either read below 200w (or to only read/calculate clamp 1 after sunset/before sunrise)

melinm's script above looks like it can be used to achieve exactly this (with a few tweaks to negate the low readings on the solar lines), but, how do I actualy implement it and make it work??? I just dont know where to physicaly type out the script, or any of the other input details to make this happen
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on July 23, 2013, 01:36:27 pm
Actually Neutral wire monitor will only measure the differential load abs(L1 - L2)
If you use exactly the same current in L1 and L2 the neutral will not carry any current.

You can validate this ... Put one on L1, L2, and neutral ...
You will see that the neutral does NOT equal L1 + L2,   but it equals abs(L1 - L2).

For your use you should put one on L1 and L2 and  one of the inverter lines.
Production should be balanced. So it would be twice the power of the measured value.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: mrcashback on July 23, 2013, 08:58:12 pm
Actually Neutral wire monitor will only measure the differential load abs(L1 - L2)
If you use exactly the same current in L1 and L2 the neutral will not carry any current.

You can validate this ... Put one on L1, L2, and neutral ...
You will see that the neutral does NOT equal L1 + L2,   but it equals abs(L1 - L2).

Are we talking 240V AC here (I'm in the land of Aus)? I was of the understanding that the only difference between neutral and live wires for AC applications is the live wire is normaly switched.... My "neutral" and "live" wires seemed to be reading exactly the same as eachother.... But.... I could be wrong, and if So, what is L1 + L2 (I figure live 1 live 2, but whats the difference)??

For your use you should put one on L1 and L2 and  one of the inverter lines.
Production should be balanced. So it would be twice the power of the measured value.

My solar arrays are East facing on one inverter and West facing on the other, so thier outputs are very very different, one cranks in the morning, the other in the afternoon, so unfortunatley they cannot be treated as equal production entities.

With this in mind, if I do need to meve the first clamp from the neutral wire, it will need to go to the Main incoming live wire at the power meter, as there is no room to get it around just the house use live wire without it going around the solar feed wires at the same time (the breakers for each are right next to eachother and all connect in together - any other live wires only go seperate circuits).

But given the AC, is this actualy neccessary
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on July 23, 2013, 09:31:17 pm
I was speaking for typical US setup and did not know you had two separate inverters.

In US we typically have 240V  between L1 and L2 and 120 V between L1 or L2 and the neutral wire ... Solar power Inverters are typically 240 V.

Hard to differentiate between an L1 and L2 from a single inverter vs
L1 for inverter 1 and L2 for inverter2.

Down under if you only have a Single L and Neutral wire for your residential service (I guess you get 1 leg from a Y-Connected 3 Phase transformer) your approach should work.

I guess this all points to the fact that discussions need to include a discussion of the power distribution system in use.
 
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: mrcashback on July 23, 2013, 10:07:24 pm
I guess this all points to the fact that discussions need to include a discussion of the power distribution system in use.
True!

Down under if you only have a Single L and Neutral wire for your residential service (I guess you get 1 leg from a Y-Connected 3 Phase transformer) your approach should work.. 

Cool (and correct re 1 output from 3phase).....
Now, the part I really need help with, is the implementation of the afformentioned coding and virtual devices to perform my necessary calculations (unless theres a plugin I can download that already does this) on the vera3, and display me the results in a similar manner as the HEM
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: futzle on July 23, 2013, 10:10:59 pm
If you want to measure actual house usage then you will need to clamp around the active cable on the downstream (house) side of where the inverters feed into the meter, and on the upstream (supplier) side of any appliances in your house.  In my house the installer had to insert a small piece of very fat copper wire, because that part of the circuit existed only logically, not physically.

You could theoretically put the clamp around the corresponding neutral cable instead, but because neutral isn't explicitly switched in the meter box it isn't always possible to point to a wire and say that's upstream of all appliances; electricians often merge those wires in ways that save copper but aren't something you can clamp around. (Note to Americans: in residential Australia, neutral is collected onto one conductor in the meter box and then attached to earth. Earth leakage detectors are not common. Active in most homes is all on a single phase, one of three chosen randomly from the pole on the street.)

See what they say on Whirlpool to get a locally relevant response. Actually, I know what they'll say: get an electrician to do it. (Note for Americans: it is illegal to alter your fixed wiring in Australia. Another reason why home automation has caught on less here.)
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: futzle on July 23, 2013, 10:11:58 pm
In my copious free time I plan to make a plugin that does arithmetic on power devices. Seems like this is exactly what you need.

Edit: here: http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,15840.0.html
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on July 23, 2013, 10:13:45 pm
If you only have 1 energy monitor ... just modify the implementation file to suit your needs.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: mrcashback on July 23, 2013, 10:30:51 pm
If you want to measure actual house usage then you will need to clamp around the active cable on the downstream (house) side of where the inverters feed into the meter, and on the upstream (supplier) side of any appliances in your house.  In my house the installer had to insert a small piece of very fat copper wire, because that part of the circuit existed only logically, not physically.
The physical room around my cables prevents this..... My Inverer Active wires are wired into the top of thier own breaker fuses, and then out the bottom gostraight into the mains Breaker Switch - which, sitting immediateley next to eachother, means theres not enough room to seperate the electricity used by the house from the electricity produced by the Solar...... So The alternatives are Main incomming power (either before or after Meter), but that is problematic as it will include solar stats (and a calculation would be innefective as theres no good way to determine if im feeding in or drawing from the grid to make any real sence of it) - So I went with the Neutral wire as you mentioned below

You could theoretically put the clamp around the corresponding neutral cable instead, but because neutral isn't explicitly switched in the meter box it isn't always possible to point to a wire and say that's upstream of all appliances; electricians often merge those wires in ways that save copper but aren't something you can clamp around.
I placed it on the Neutral Wire comming Out of the RCD Breaker switch - everything but the solar heads through there

If you only have 1 energy monitor ... just modify the implementation file to suit your needs.

How do I actualy do this though?? I've only had the vera less than 48hrs, and trying to get my head around this side of it....
What is the implimentation file, where can I find it, how can I change it etc etc etc.

The virtual devices route looked like a solid solution - but I just dont know how to do it without a few more pointers
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on July 23, 2013, 11:00:31 pm
I do not have an Aeon monitor.
I assume it has 1 master device and 3 slave devices in Vera.
On the master device ... go to the Advanced tab ... look for the name of the implementation file (called impl_file).

Then goto Vera Apps then Develop Apps  then Luup Files
This will show you many of the customizable files on your system. Download the implementation file. Save an original copy somewhere. Then edit the file ... you will need to read up a little on LUA programming. Then upload the file back to Vera using the Restart LUUP option.

Creating a virtual device requires a lot more understanding of how pieces fit together. Here you only need to change the implementation of an existing device.

If you have some questions post the file (or PM me) ... I will be happy to give you some pointers where to change the code.

Sounds like @futzle has some ideas about how to generalize this as a virtual device.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: futzle on July 23, 2013, 11:11:53 pm
On the master device ... go to the Advanced tab ... look for the name of the implementation file (called impl_file).

The Aeon HEM is a Z-Wave device so it's possible that some of the implementation is buried in LuaUPnP.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: mrcashback on July 23, 2013, 11:40:16 pm
On the master device ... go to the Advanced tab ... look for the name of the implementation file (called impl_file).Sounds like @futzle has some ideas about how to generalize this as a virtual device.

Thanks, but there is no file specified for impl_file on the AeonHEM, just a device file
I  tried to do the following, but cant work out where I went wrong (or right for that matter)

You can create you own device and setting the value on a watching method
I do something like this with my 2 clamp version:

I create a virtual device type urn:schemas-micasaverde-com:device:PowerMeter:1 with device file D_PowerMeter1.xml

and in my startup script:
HEM_GEN is my first clamp ,HEM_PV my second clamp and HEM_CALC is my virtual device


luup.variable_watch("calcPowerKwh","urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","KWH",HEM_GEN)
luup.variable_watch("calcPowerWatts","urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","Watts",HEM_GEN)


function calcPowerKwh()
--kwh
local kwhGen = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "KWH", HEM_GEN)
local kwhPv = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "KWH", HEM_PV)
local s=kwhGen-kwhPv
luup.variable_set("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","KWH",s,HEM_CALC)
end
 
function calcPowerWatts()
--Watts
local wattsGen = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "Watts", HEM_GEN)
local wattsPv = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "Watts", HEM_PV)
local s=wattsGen-wattsPv
luup.variable_set("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","Watts",s,HEM_CALC)
end

So Perhaps I'll specify what I actually did, you may know where I went wrong

- I went to Apps>Develop Apps>Create device
- I entered urn:schemas-micasaverde-com:device:PowerMeter:1 in the "device type: field
- I entered D_PowerMeter1.xml in the "upnp device filename" field (this is the same device filename used by the AEON HEM
With every other field blank, (and drop down menues set to no room, no parent), I clicked Create Device

This resulted in a popup saying "device created 17", and when I go to the devices tab, I see it listed there with no name, and if I click on the spanner, under the control tab it says "watts" KWH"..... so far it appears to be going right... but next is where I think I've gone wrong

I now go back to Apps>Develop Apps, then go to Edit Startup Lua
I type in the following code (bearing in mind my clamps are named "Home_Clamp1", "SolarWEST_Clamp2", and "SolarEast_Clamp3"

function calcPowerKwh()
--kwh
local kwhGen = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "KWH", House_Clamp1)
local kwhPvw = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "KWH", SolarWEST_Clamp2)
local kwhPve = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "KWH", SolarEAST_Clamp3)
local s=kwhGen-kwhPvw-kwhPve
luup.variable_set("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","KWH",s,HEM_CALC)
end
 
function calcPowerWatts()
--Watts
local wattsGen = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "Watts", House_Clamp1)
local wattsPvw = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "Watts", SolarWEST_Clamp2)
local wattsPve = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "Watts", SolarEAST_Clamp3)
local s=wattsGen-wattsPvw-wattsPve
luup.variable_set("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","Watts",s,HEM_CALC)
end

- I Click "GO", and a popup says "startup lua updated"
- I click Save
- I click Continue
- I return to devices
Upon inspecting my "handiwork" the virtual device still does nothing..... clearly the code is in the wrong place, or I need to make other changes - but...... what? ???
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: futzle on July 28, 2013, 07:29:47 am
See here (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,15840.0.html) for my Power Arithmetic plugin.  Hope it's useful.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: melinm on August 23, 2013, 02:30:40 am
You also need to watch variable change.
Use this method in you startup:

luup.variable_watch("calcPowerKwh","urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","KWH",HEM_GEN)
luup.variable_watch("calcPowerWatts","urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","Watts",HEM_GEN)

On the master device ... go to the Advanced tab ... look for the name of the implementation file (called impl_file).Sounds like @futzle has some ideas about how to generalize this as a virtual device.

Thanks, but there is no file specified for impl_file on the AeonHEM, just a device file
I  tried to do the following, but cant work out where I went wrong (or right for that matter)

You can create you own device and setting the value on a watching method
I do something like this with my 2 clamp version:

I create a virtual device type urn:schemas-micasaverde-com:device:PowerMeter:1 with device file D_PowerMeter1.xml

and in my startup script:
HEM_GEN is my first clamp ,HEM_PV my second clamp and HEM_CALC is my virtual device


luup.variable_watch("calcPowerKwh","urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","KWH",HEM_GEN)
luup.variable_watch("calcPowerWatts","urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","Watts",HEM_GEN)


function calcPowerKwh()
--kwh
local kwhGen = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "KWH", HEM_GEN)
local kwhPv = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "KWH", HEM_PV)
local s=kwhGen-kwhPv
luup.variable_set("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","KWH",s,HEM_CALC)
end
 
function calcPowerWatts()
--Watts
local wattsGen = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "Watts", HEM_GEN)
local wattsPv = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "Watts", HEM_PV)
local s=wattsGen-wattsPv
luup.variable_set("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","Watts",s,HEM_CALC)
end

So Perhaps I'll specify what I actually did, you may know where I went wrong

- I went to Apps>Develop Apps>Create device
- I entered urn:schemas-micasaverde-com:device:PowerMeter:1 in the "device type: field
- I entered D_PowerMeter1.xml in the "upnp device filename" field (this is the same device filename used by the AEON HEM
With every other field blank, (and drop down menues set to no room, no parent), I clicked Create Device

This resulted in a popup saying "device created 17", and when I go to the devices tab, I see it listed there with no name, and if I click on the spanner, under the control tab it says "watts" KWH"..... so far it appears to be going right... but next is where I think I've gone wrong

I now go back to Apps>Develop Apps, then go to Edit Startup Lua
I type in the following code (bearing in mind my clamps are named "Home_Clamp1", "SolarWEST_Clamp2", and "SolarEast_Clamp3"

function calcPowerKwh()
--kwh
local kwhGen = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "KWH", House_Clamp1)
local kwhPvw = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "KWH", SolarWEST_Clamp2)
local kwhPve = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "KWH", SolarEAST_Clamp3)
local s=kwhGen-kwhPvw-kwhPve
luup.variable_set("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","KWH",s,HEM_CALC)
end
 
function calcPowerWatts()
--Watts
local wattsGen = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "Watts", House_Clamp1)
local wattsPvw = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "Watts", SolarWEST_Clamp2)
local wattsPve = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "Watts", SolarEAST_Clamp3)
local s=wattsGen-wattsPvw-wattsPve
luup.variable_set("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1","Watts",s,HEM_CALC)
end

- I Click "GO", and a popup says "startup lua updated"
- I click Save
- I click Continue
- I return to devices
Upon inspecting my "handiwork" the virtual device still does nothing..... clearly the code is in the wrong place, or I need to make other changes - but...... what? ???
Title: Yet Another Newbie Question
Post by: AlanNatsFan on September 03, 2013, 11:07:33 am
I have the two clamp version of the AEON HEM with my Veralite . Rather than wire it into the breaker I just connected a plug to the bare wires and plugged it into the socket next to my main panel. I am assuming there is no issue doing that.

Like so many before me I am having issues. I have changed parameter 111 to 6924 (I assume it is a 4 byte decimal field. The device shows up as 3 generic IO devices with ON/OFF buttons. Not sure why they haven't updated the UI to correctly recognize this (sorry for the minor rant). My assumption is that clamp 1 + clamp 2 = HEM. They seem to still be on differing polling intervals. I saw that someone had changed the parameter for polling interval but that never seemed to work out correctly.

What I am not sure is what version does my HEM run. I am used to the US notation (x.xx.xx). Under version I see 3,3,40,1,12 is that the same as 3.3.40.1.12 or is it reporting version for a number of components?  I also attached a screenshot of the UI.

Thanks in advance for your help. Feel free to quietly chuckle at the newbie :-)
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: brettow on September 04, 2013, 05:35:56 pm
@mrcashback Im also in oz (syd) and have the same device and solar setup with a single inverter so interested in how you get on.

Currently using a current cost device logging to pvoutput with the different clamps measuring consumption and export.

However if this works it would be far more efficient.

Cheers,
Brett
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: mrcashback on September 07, 2013, 01:36:55 am
@mrcashback Im also in oz (syd) and have the same device and solar setup with a single inverter so interested in how you get on.

So.... AEON HEM to monitor solar.... it has its ups and downs....
-I have a 2x inverter system..... I have one clamp around the NEUTRAL wire on the house side of my RCD breaker.....  This clamp monitors my total household consumption.
-I have 2x clamps around the LIVE 240v solar feeds from the inverters before they hit my main breaker. This measure the output of each array individually.

Using Futzle's Power arithmetic app, I set up a few  different virtual monitors to give me +'ve and -ve readings for the solar production, and to monitor total import/total export values in a single device...... this in turn allowed for correct graphing of values that matter in the ERGy plugin, instead of just adding solar production to consumption like it does by default..
I also used thi plugin to report solar values reported under 200W as zero, to eradicate the low current erroneous false readings...

All in all, it works OK like this.... the problem is however, either the AEON HEM, or the micasaverde software has a glitch that neither MCV or AEON tech support have been able to identify (this seems to be a common issue with many)..... the glitch results in one or nor clamps 'locking up'... ie, stops reporting new values, even though you can see that the primary device is still calculating from updated values..... this follows through to the virtual devices and results in graphing errors, and the primary device needs to be reconfigured to fix it..... it was happening once a day, but so far its bee 2x weeks since the last lockup, so, here's hoping!
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: brettow on September 07, 2013, 05:52:50 pm
Thanks for the update, it does look promising.


I have one clamp around the NEUTRAL wire on the house side of my RCD breaker.....  This clamp monitors my total household consumption.


Is there a reason why you are using the Neutral? The Neutral has a link directly into earth to you will get some phantom power from any devices that are leaky to earth. (I'm a sparky by trade a long time back) As a suggestion I would clamp around the live active coming from the main house meter to the main switch as this is effectively what you are being charged for by the energy company.

I haven't managed to get the aeon clamps working at any type of level of accuracy to trust it at this point in time (see image). The clamp is reading 166 watts higher than the entire appliance which is slightly disturbing. Has anyone had this problem?

Im using my current cost device as a control as its close (however still not perfect) to what is being measured by a hand held clamp tong tester.

Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: brettow on September 09, 2013, 08:22:55 am
Finally got it working with some sensible readings after upgrading and settings from this thread.

There was also a problem with the USB plug on the board where it would not stay in so had to pull the HEM unit apart and hardwire from the transformer. It was a good idea at the time however going to have to undo the mess I have created to update firmware.  :'(

Will see how it goes for the next few days before mucking around with any more settings.

Brett
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: futzle on September 10, 2013, 05:45:46 pm
Is there a reason why you are using the Neutral?

mrcashback explained why here (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,3366.msg120198.html#msg120198).
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: mrcashback on September 10, 2013, 09:41:12 pm
Is there a reason why you are using the Neutral?

Yea, The Neutral from the RCD is the only wire I can physically get the clamp around that accounts for ALL my house usage that doesn't have the solar running through it... all other wires are too short and the clamps too big

As to the (in)accuracy.... it comes with the territory.... its assuming your voltage is fixed as you told it, and inferring the energy usage from that figure
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: MrFusion on November 06, 2013, 08:42:33 pm
Is there a reason why you are using the Neutral?

Yea, The Neutral from the RCD is the only wire I can physically get the clamp around that accounts for ALL my house usage that doesn't have the solar running through it... all other wires are too short and the clamps too big

As to the (in)accuracy.... it comes with the territory.... its assuming your voltage is fixed as you told it, and inferring the energy usage from that figure

Understand your physical constraints, and from your description I think you've got it right, but just be careful -- the ONLY time that the current going down the neutral wire is the same as the current going down the active is if you're measuring across a single phase.

If you have a three-phase system, and you're measuring past the point where the individual neutrals merge (ie, the "main" neutral), and there is current going down two or more phases, then you won't get an accurate read.  In fact, if you were to have three identical resistive loads, one on each phase, then you would have zero current flowing down the neutral!

The reason for this is that, in 3 phase systems, each phase is 120 degrees out from the other.  So, from the perspective of one phase, the other phases will be applying a negative voltage to the neutral bond point (with respect to neutral / "ground" voltage), and so some of the current goes 'back up' each of the neutrals of the other phases, rather than 'down' the main neutral.  The maximum current the main (or any) neutral will ever have to carry is the maximum that any single phase can supply whilst the other phases are not carrying any current.  The moment the other phases start carrying current they reduce the current that the main neutral has to carry.

This is why, in three-phase cabling, the neutral wire is the same cross section as the active wires.  It does not have to be three times the cross-section of the actives (ie the sum of the actives' cross sections), and this is why RCDs measure active & neutral where they do.

Maybe a picture would help - see attached...

Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: bucko on November 28, 2013, 09:18:59 pm
I have been in contact with Aeom Labs about the HEM issues. Chris has sent me this info to help with setting parameters 101-103.

Please post your experiences after you guys use this info for us all to benefit. I am still trying to make use of it myself. I use the G2 2 clamp model.

I removed the section how to convert HEX,DEX, Binary so this file is small enough to DL here.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: AZEngineer on December 04, 2013, 06:52:38 pm
I have been in contact with Aeom Labs about the HEM issues. Chris has sent me this info to help with setting parameters 101-103.

Please post your experiences after you guys use this info for us all to benefit. I am still trying to make use of it myself. I use the G2 2 clamp model.

I removed the section how to convert HEX,DEX, Binary so this file is small enough to DL here.

Bucko,

I was able to program my G2 using that document.  It is fairly simply 101,102,and 103 are all just data polling groups that are time based and controlled by 111,112, and 113 respectively.  I have a 2 clamp meter and set 101 to a 4 byte dec value to 770 which sends all of the wattage values for each clamp and the HEM wattage total all at the same time.  I then set 111 to a 4 byte dec value of 10 so it will send my 101 value every 10 seconds (10 seconds appears to be the lowest value possible, anything less and it locks up).  I then set the 102 variable to a 4 byte dec of 6145 to send all of the KWH signals at once.  I set 112 to 60 because I figure I don't need the KWH reporting nearly as fast as the actual power.  I then set 103 to 0 so the third group is not used, this eliminates any chance that the voltage is sent from the controller which can mistakenly replace the KWH value.  Someone now just needs to figure out how to accurately display all 4 input types since this meter is capable of reporting the voltage, current, power, and KWH but the default driver only uses KWH and Power.

Thank you very much for posting that document.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: tyAudronis on January 14, 2014, 01:50:10 pm
I apologize if this has already been answered.  I read through, but I'm also a bit lost because I'm new to the whole LU code thing.  I'm an expert Javascript and PHP guy, so I get the structure.  Is there an o'reily book on this?  lol.  Ok... to my point:

I got this monitor because my house keeps getting power surges (that of course the power company denies).  Used the default settings for the device, and it monitors wattage just fine (only thing I changed was I decreased the poll time).  Now, for the stupid question:  Can it monitor incoming voltage using those inductive clamps?  If so... how do I turn on reporting for that variable?  Again... apologize for the stupid question.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on January 14, 2014, 04:45:08 pm
The inductive clamps are designed to measure the current of the wire it wraps. It determines wattage by multiplying the current by a nominal voltage.

If you are worried about voltage sag you will need a device that directly reads voltage.

If you had a constant pure resistive load than you could monitor the change in current and deduce the change in voltage. But that is an inefficient way to measure voltage. You should really get a device designed for what you want.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: tyAudronis on January 14, 2014, 05:01:02 pm
Crud... was afraid of that.  I can't find a z-wave (nor insteon) voltometer anywhere... any ideas?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Smocom on January 16, 2014, 12:22:37 am
I have been in contact with Aeom Labs about the HEM issues. Chris has sent me this info to help with setting parameters 101-103.

Please post your experiences after you guys use this info for us all to benefit. I am still trying to make use of it myself. I use the G2 2 clamp model.

I removed the section how to convert HEX,DEX, Binary so this file is small enough to DL here.

Thanks to Bucko and AZEngineer for this information and explanation.  I was inspired enough to write an Excel tool that calculates 101-103 codes based on this information.  Then I tried uploading it here only to discover that we can't upload .xlsx files. 
So...  I offer it to the masses but you will need to email me through this board if you want a copy. I have attached a photo.

Disclaimer:
I have only tested the values I ended up using on my 2 phase system (101=770, 103=6152, 111=10, 113=60). I have also made a number of assumptions about other configurations that may or may not be accurate.  I would love to hear about other's success in trying different combinations of reporting data.
Cheers!
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: HarryGilbert on January 27, 2014, 06:24:56 am
Actually Neutral wire monitor will only measure the differential load abs(L1 - L2)
If you use exactly the same current in L1 and L2 the neutral will not carry any current.

You can validate this ... Put one on L1, L2, and neutral ...
You will see that the neutral does NOT equal L1 + L2,   but it equals abs(L1 - L2).

Are we talking 240V AC here (I'm in the land of Aus)? I was of the understanding that the only difference between neutral and live wires for AC applications is the live wire is normaly switched.... My "neutral" and "live" wires seemed to be reading exactly the same as eachother.... But.... I could be wrong, and if So, what is L1 + L2 (I figure live 1 live 2, but whats the difference)??

For your use you should put one on L1 and L2 and  one of the inverter lines.
Production should be balanced. So it would be twice the power of the measured value.

My solar panels (http://www.shinesolar.net) are East facing on one inverter and West facing on the other, so thier outputs are very very different, one cranks in the morning, the other in the afternoon, so unfortunatley they cannot be treated as equal production entities.

With this in mind, if I do need to meve the first clamp from the neutral wire, it will need to go to the Main incoming live wire at the power meter, as there is no room to get it around just the house use live wire without it going around the solar feed wires at the same time (the breakers for each are right next to eachother and all connect in together - any other live wires only go seperate circuits).

But given the AC, is this actualy neccessary


I am thinking of adding inverter with solar arrays and hope to be able to generate enought output.. It is bit expensive system.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: AZEngineer on February 19, 2014, 01:16:24 pm
I have had some issues with my HEM v2 reporting correctly to Vera.  I find that every month or 2 one of the clamps or the main meter sum will stop responding but then I just configure the node again and it works for another month or so.  Besides that so far so good.

Smocom, the excel file looks like a good idea!
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: n0ir on March 02, 2014, 06:16:51 pm
I have read this entire thread several times and tried to get my head around the different settings, but I can?t seem to get it to work! :S

The HEM (gen 1) is installed properly and added to my Vera (I think), but the Watt measurement do not match the "dumb" IR sensor I compare against.

Could anyone share their settings? I live in Sweden (230V, 50Hz) and have the three clamps version.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: AgileHumor on March 14, 2014, 02:14:14 am
@Smocom Can you upload your spreadsheet as a Zip?

I need to limit the readings to only the whole house, and not show the 2 clamps (unless I'm missing key data).  How can I exclude the power clamps from the rerports?

Thanks!
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: mikewop on March 28, 2014, 12:22:46 pm
@Smocom Can you upload your spreadsheet as a Zip?

I need to limit the readings to only the whole house, and not show the 2 clamps (unless I'm missing key data).  How can I exclude the power clamps from the rerports?

Thanks!

There is an example on page 5 of the PDF attached by bucko (Reply # 230) that may do close to what you want, except I never could get the "A" and "V" reading to work, so the bits 2 and 3 don't work - this may be an issue in the Vera plugin not in the HEM itself)
If I read this correctly then:
- set parameter 101 = 3 (which will report W and kWh for the whole energy monitor only)
- set parameter 102 = 0 (or remove it)
- set parameter 103 = 0 (or remove it)

- set parameter 111 to 10  (if you want an update every 10 secs).

This assumes you are using the model G2 (which has no battery and the settings have changed a bit compared to the first generation model).

Hope that helps,
Mike
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: AgileHumor on March 28, 2014, 12:29:36 pm
I have a battery compartment (for AA or AAA batteries, I forget).  Does this mean I have a Gen 1?

Anyway to tell for sure?

Capabilities   210,28,0,4,33,1,L,R,B,RS,|49:2,50:2,96:2,112,114,128,133,134,
Version   3,2,78,3,64
Manufacturer   Aeon
Model   HEM
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: mikewop on March 28, 2014, 01:55:53 pm
There are two model numbers:

1st Gen:  DSB09104-ZWUS (has batteries and USB port)
   (http://www.smarthome.com/75505/Aeon-Labs-DSB09104-ZWUS-Z-Wave-Home-Energy-Monitor/p.aspx )

2nd Gen: DSB28-ZWUS (no battery compartment and no USB port)
(http://store.homeseer.com/store/Aeon-Labs-Aeotec-DSB28-ZWUS-Z-Wave-Home-Energy-Meter-2nd-Edition-P1643.aspx)

it looks like you have the first generation, the parameter settings will be slightly different since it has a battery.
From what I can tell from the settings you posted you already have the latest firmware (3.64) for the HEM, so that should be fine.

For the Gen 1 you could try this:

- set parameter 101 = 13 (send kWh, W, and battery level for the whole meter)
- set parameter 111 = 10 (for 10 second interval updates, set it to 60 if you want update every minute)

I had issues for the settings to "take" and had to have the VeraLite pretty close to the meter. But I have a G2, sop it might be different for yours.

PS: the "ZWUS" means it's a US model (908 MHz), if you have a European model it would be DSB28-ZWEU...

Mike
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: AgileHumor on March 28, 2014, 06:59:07 pm
Thank you much, I'll check out the pics to unit comparison when i get home.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: n0ir on March 28, 2014, 07:17:33 pm
- set parameter 101 = 13 (send kWh, W, and battery level for the whole meter)

Earlier in the thread it was said parameter 101 should be set to 16140 (4 byte dec)? Is 13 correct?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: qwen3579 on April 04, 2014, 09:17:52 am
I just received my G2 monitor and I'm a little confused by the directions. In the directions it specifically states that the direction of the clamps are opposite for L1 and L2. Question is, how can I tell what's L1 and what's L2 in my box? There are no labels (see attached).
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: BulldogLowell on April 04, 2014, 09:28:26 am
They would be the 2 very large black wires into the top of the breaker stack.

The 3rd (white) one is your neutral

be careful.


Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: qwen3579 on April 04, 2014, 09:51:45 am
They would be the 2 very large black wires into the top of the breaker stack.

The 3rd (white) one is your neutral

be careful.

Bulldog, I know the 2 wires I want.  ;D

In the Aeotec documentation I received, it labels them L1 and L2. It then shows that clamp 1 goes a certain direction and clamp 2 the opposite direction of that. My question is - is there a difference between L1 and L2 and how do I identify which is which?

I highly suspect that both lines are exactly the same and it doesn't matter which one goes on which.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: BulldogLowell on April 04, 2014, 09:56:25 am
...it doesn't matter which one goes on which.

It shouldn't matter.  They are both 120V to Neutral and 240V to each other.

FYI, typically in a wiring diagram L1 is the Left Hand Side and L2 is Right Hand Side, but again, should not matter for your power meter.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: qwen3579 on April 04, 2014, 09:59:09 am
...it doesn't matter which one goes on which.

It shouldn't matter.

FYI, typically in a wiring diagram L1 is the Left Hand Side and L2 is Right Hand Side, but again, should not matter for your power meter.

That's what I thought.

BTW... Here is the instruction manual I received with mine. It looks like an updated version as the others I've seen online do not reference the clamps going a certain direction (K > L). You can see how they specify L1 and L2 so I was concerned about which was which.  I'm using the US version.

http://www.vesternet.com/downloads/dl/file/id/192/z_wave_aeon_labs_clamp_power_meter_manual.pdf (http://www.vesternet.com/downloads/dl/file/id/192/z_wave_aeon_labs_clamp_power_meter_manual.pdf)
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: BulldogLowell on April 04, 2014, 10:04:48 am
yeah, they want to make sure you have the arrows in opposite directions relative to the breaker stack.  has to do with orienting the current transformers inside
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: qwen3579 on April 04, 2014, 10:09:33 am
yeah, they want to make sure you have the arrows in opposite directions relative to the breaker stack.  has to do with orienting the current transformers inside

Great, that's what I was thinking but I just wanted to be sure. Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: qwen3579 on April 06, 2014, 06:40:56 am
Has anyone actually been able to setup their G2 successfully? I've combed all the posts and I thought I had it set up correctly, but I get these spikes in my usage. I've read that others experienced this issue and tried what they have reported as a fix, but I still have them. They seem to always be around 10x actual. I'm using the 2 phase US version and it is firmware 3,3,67,1,17.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: bucko on April 06, 2014, 08:32:27 pm
I also have spikes like this, but they are expected in my case. My water heater cycles about 2 times every 24 hrs. Otherwise, except for some noise, my data is clean.

I suggest you verify that these spikes are actually from a device or not first before you spend time with HEM configs.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: qwen3579 on April 06, 2014, 09:07:30 pm
I also have spikes like this, but they are expected in my case. My water heater cycles about 2 times every 24 hrs. Otherwise, except for some noise, my data is clean.

I suggest you verify that these spikes are actually from a device or not first before you spend time with HEM configs.

Thanks bucko. I actually based my config partly off input you gave in the forum. So my config looks okay then?

I know I'm going to have spikes like that sometimes, but those were happening in the middle of the night with everything static and no AC/heat. And I don't think my water heaters would be turning on that often.

I see some weird spikes during the day as well - 20K to 25K, that can't be normal, can it?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: bucko on April 07, 2014, 09:08:19 pm
It does seem your spikes are high. When my water kicks in, it consumes 3k, which is normal. Also, noise generally looks like my graph.
Yours really looks looks like a device of some sort is operating.

 Your config setup may be having this report on the wrong scale (20+K), so that may be misleading. What about your other devices? Do you think the pwr usage looks correct? Compared to mine, they look high. But my home is 100% LED lights (21vdc), so it will be less.

If I turn on all lights in my house (13 rooms), I use 640w total.
Everything off (lights), I use 215w ambient power, mostly from my PC. The refer maybe adds another 1000w when I cycles on.

BTW, I use a Gen 2 HEM, 2 probe in 220V 50hz system.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: qwen3579 on April 08, 2014, 07:11:41 am
I think I have the config worked out properly now after reading the documentation. I'll post here in hopes of saving someone the frustration I had -

I'm using the G2 2-clamp version on 2-phase, 120v, 60Hz

3 - 1 byte dec - 0 (turns off reporting only when there is enough of a change - needed for custom report timers)
101 - 4 byte dec - 770 (reports watts for whole, clamp 1, clamp 2)
111 - 4 byte dec - 10 (reporting time for 101 - 10 seconds)
102 - 4 byte dec - 6145 (reports KwH for whole, clamp 1, clamp 2)
112 - 4 byte dec - 60 (reporting time for 102 - 60 seconds)

You're right about the spikes being correct. Apparently my heat pump (it heats and cools) pulls over 25,000 watts!  :o You can see in the attached where my heat pump kicked in this morning. I'm surprised at how much power some devices pull!

But I am confident that it is working correctly now. Thanks for your input.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: bucko on April 08, 2014, 08:44:48 pm
WOW, that heat pump is a monster! I'm happy you got it worked out.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: qwen3579 on April 09, 2014, 08:08:40 am
WOW, that heat pump is a monster! I'm happy you got it worked out.

Yeah, something's not right. I did the math and that number is way off. I get the spike as I expect them (like when using the oven, microwave, cooktop) but they are too high.

I've done some testing and found that the value for clamp 1 is always higher than clamp 2. So my 3 wattage values show like this:

Total = c1+(c1+c2)
c1 = c1+c2
c2 = c2

I could just monitor the value for c1 to give me total, but I want to have the correct values so I can narrow down my usage.

I contacted Aeotec support about it and they asked for my config settings. I've sent those and am waiting for their response.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: itchyballs on April 11, 2014, 02:00:38 am
Is it possible to use this to monitor when washing machine and laundry dryer cycles done? I am trying to figure out the most reliable way to get notified when washing/drying cycles done.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: qwen3579 on April 11, 2014, 11:23:48 am
Is it possible to use this to monitor when washing machine and laundry dryer cycles done? I am trying to figure out the most reliable way to get notified when washing/drying cycles done.

I'm actually going to try that this weekend with mine. I ordered another one as Aeotec support determined mine to be defective. But before I send it back, I'm going to hook it up to my washer and dryer to test this. It should be possible with PLEG; just create a trigger for a large drop in wattage.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: itchyballs on April 11, 2014, 12:20:03 pm
Is it possible to use this to monitor when washing machine and laundry dryer cycles done? I am trying to figure out the most reliable way to get notified when washing/drying cycles done.

I'm actually going to try that this weekend with mine. I ordered another one as Aeotec support determined mine to be defective. But before I send it back, I'm going to hook it up to my washer and dryer to test this. It should be possible with PLEG; just create a trigger for a large drop in wattage.

Awesome! Please let me know how it works for you.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: qwen3579 on April 14, 2014, 04:05:02 pm
Is it possible to use this to monitor when washing machine and laundry dryer cycles done? I am trying to figure out the most reliable way to get notified when washing/drying cycles done.

I'm actually going to try that this weekend with mine. I ordered another one as Aeotec support determined mine to be defective. But before I send it back, I'm going to hook it up to my washer and dryer to test this. It should be possible with PLEG; just create a trigger for a large drop in wattage.

Awesome! Please let me know how it works for you.

It did not work well. I set a notification to trigger when the wattage dropped below 100 watts and it worked, however, whenever there was an update from the HEM (say 3 watts to 0, or even 0 watts to 10) I would get another notification. My dryer fluctuates between 0 and 3 watts when not in use, spikes to around 300 and drops back down to 3 when powering on, then stays around 300 while in operation.

So when I had the notifications enabled, I was getting constant notifications while the dryer was not running. I'm trying to figure if there is a way to get this working with PLEG, but it's not looking very promising.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: qwen3579 on April 18, 2014, 12:27:11 pm
Is it possible to use this to monitor when washing machine and laundry dryer cycles done? I am trying to figure out the most reliable way to get notified when washing/drying cycles done.

I'm actually going to try that this weekend with mine. I ordered another one as Aeotec support determined mine to be defective. But before I send it back, I'm going to hook it up to my washer and dryer to test this. It should be possible with PLEG; just create a trigger for a large drop in wattage.

Awesome! Please let me know how it works for you.

I finally got to work using this plugin - http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,11076.0.html (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,11076.0.html).

Read through the entire post (it's only 3 pages), download the zip and the newest updated file to replace the one in the zip. It works perfectly. I can now use my dryer and get the single notification when it's done.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: itchyballs on April 18, 2014, 05:51:40 pm
I appreciate the update.

Is it possible to use this to monitor when washing machine and laundry dryer cycles done? I am trying to figure out the most reliable way to get notified when washing/drying cycles done.

I'm actually going to try that this weekend with mine. I ordered another one as Aeotec support determined mine to be defective. But before I send it back, I'm going to hook it up to my washer and dryer to test this. It should be possible with PLEG; just create a trigger for a large drop in wattage.

Awesome! Please let me know how it works for you.

I finally got to work using this plugin - http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,11076.0.html (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,11076.0.html).

Read through the entire post (it's only 3 pages), download the zip and the newest updated file to replace the one in the zip. It works perfectly. I can now use my dryer and get the single notification when it's done.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: itchyballs on April 18, 2014, 05:55:15 pm
@qwen3579, is this what you have?

http://www.amazon.com/Aeotec-DSB28xxx-ZWUS-Z-Wave-Energy-Edition/dp/B00FKJBUX2/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1397857957&sr=8-6&keywords=aeotec

I noticed it has two clamps. Can I use one for the dryer and the other for the washing machine?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: qwen3579 on April 18, 2014, 06:26:50 pm
@qwen3579, is this what you have?

http://www.amazon.com/Aeotec-DSB28xxx-ZWUS-Z-Wave-Energy-Edition/dp/B00FKJBUX2/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1397857957&sr=8-6&keywords=aeotec

I noticed it has two clamps. Can I use one for the dryer and the other for the washing machine?

Yes, that is the exact one I ordered, from that same seller. Be aware - the one they send you will have a plug on the end to plug into an outlet. I simply cut mine off and striped the wires to connect. You amy want to consider that if you're concerned about warranty.

Is your washer and dryer running from the same panel? My dryer (240v) comes from the main breakerbox and my washer (120v) comes from the subpanel inside my garage.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: clippermiami on April 20, 2014, 12:53:40 pm
Amazon shows two of these, ,an AC  power unit and a battery power unit. I'd one preferable to the other? Do they work the same?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: qwen3579 on April 20, 2014, 03:53:48 pm
Amazon shows two of these, ,an AC  power unit and a battery power unit. I'd one preferable to the other? Do they work the same?

The battery powered one is the first generation model. The wired model is generation 2.

The G1 has a USB port and can be updated to the same firmware as the G2 - per Aeotec support. The G2 does not have a USB port.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: clippermiami on April 20, 2014, 03:56:42 pm
Thanks. I guess it's the G2 model then. Have to wire in an outlet then too.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: qwen3579 on April 20, 2014, 04:45:40 pm
Thanks. I guess it's the G2 model then. Have to wire in an outlet then too.

They make a model that you can wire directly into your breaker box. I cut the pigtail off mine and wired it directly.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: clippermiami on April 20, 2014, 04:47:17 pm
Good to know. I could just pick up the output side of a breaker and use that.

Thanks
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: mikewop on April 25, 2014, 11:28:34 am
I have the G2 as well (US version, 2 clamps, ordered from Amazon), and mine did just have the bare wires, no plug (as pictured on Amazon). So I added a plug myself since I had an outlet nearby.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: yannicks on April 28, 2014, 07:09:39 am
Hello,

I have a Home Energy Meter G2 (2nd edition, version info : 3,3,67,1,5) with 3 clamps at home.

I live in France (230V), I have 1 phase power incoming only and I want to measure distincly the electric consumption on 3 separate phases to see the consumption of 3 different devices (for example : lamp, oven, boiler).
HEM is well recognized by Vera Lite and I see 3 different electric consumptions in Vera coming from 3 different devices. But the value is incorrect : I notice that the measured value is around 5 times lower than real value...

Do you have an explanation ? May be there are some specific parameters relative to my configuration to define ? (230V, 1 phase incoming, 3 different devices to be monitored by the 3 clamps)

Please help because I am lost !
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: garrettwp on April 28, 2014, 07:47:55 am
Hello,

I have a Home Energy Meter G2 (2nd edition, version info : 3,3,67,1,5) with 3 clamps at home.

I live in France (230V), I have 1 phase power incoming only and I want to measure distincly the electric consumption on 3 separate phases to see the consumption of 3 different devices (for example : lamp, oven, boiler).
HEM is well recognized by Vera Lite and I see 3 different electric consumptions in Vera coming from 3 different devices. But the value is incorrect : I notice that the measured value is around 5 times lower than real value...

Do you have an explanation ? May be there are some specific parameters relative to my configuration to define ? (230V, 1 phase incoming, 3 different devices to be monitored by the 3 clamps)

Please help because I am lost !

For future reference there is no need to cross post your question. It is frowned upon by many here.

- Garrett
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: yannicks on April 28, 2014, 05:35:27 pm
Quote
For future reference there is no need to cross post your question. It is frowned upon by many here.

Ok, I understand the point of view.
The thing is that both topics are very similar : both talk about the 2 versions of HEM. My intention was just to have more chance to find someone which can help me...
Anyway, I apologize if not appreciated.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Hexasoarus on January 09, 2015, 12:22:37 pm
There are two model numbers:

1st Gen:  DSB09104-ZWUS (has batteries and USB port)
   (http://www.smarthome.com/75505/Aeon-Labs-DSB09104-ZWUS-Z-Wave-Home-Energy-Monitor/p.aspx )

2nd Gen: DSB28-ZWUS (no battery compartment and no USB port)
(http://store.homeseer.com/store/Aeon-Labs-Aeotec-DSB28-ZWUS-Z-Wave-Home-Energy-Meter-2nd-Edition-P1643.aspx)

it looks like you have the first generation, the parameter settings will be slightly different since it has a battery.
From what I can tell from the settings you posted you already have the latest firmware (3.64) for the HEM, so that should be fine.

For the Gen 1 you could try this:

- set parameter 101 = 13 (send kWh, W, and battery level for the whole meter)
- set parameter 111 = 10 (for 10 second interval updates, set it to 60 if you want update every minute)

I had issues for the settings to "take" and had to have the VeraLite pretty close to the meter. But I have a G2, sop it might be different for yours.

PS: the "ZWUS" means it's a US model (908 MHz), if you have a European model it would be DSB28-ZWEU...

Mike

I know its been awhile, and I'm not sure anyone is still monitoring this thread.

I have been unable to get a GEN1 working (all numbers reporting are 0) on a Vera3 (UI5 - 1.5.622) even after reading through this thread as well as several others and searching on the internet.  I attempted to contact Aeon Labs and they have NOT responded to several messages submitted through their web-site for over a month now.  They also seem to have done a great job protecting their phone number.

I would like to get a Watts  and kWh report for the whole HEM.

I see that there appears to be a difference between the registers between the Gen1 and the Gen2, and I located the document that someone posted based on the informatoin from someone at Aeon Labs, but that appears to be oriented around the Gen2, does anyone have something like that explaining the configuration for Gen1?

I live in the US (120V - 2 phase) and have two of the large white clamps that appear to be the latest version
Here's what I have tried:
1.  Upgraded the HEM to the latest firmware (3.64)
2.  Made sure the clamps L->K have the arrows facing in the opposite direction on each of the incoming phases
3.  Have reset the module several times (Param 255 = 0) then cleared the parameter from the list.
4.  Set 111=10 (4 byte dec) (10s interval)
5.  Set 113=60 (4 byte dec) (60s interval)
6.  Tried various settings for 101: 6915, 770, 13, 7 (4 byte dec)
7.  Tried various settings for 103: 1B00h (4 byte hex), 6145 (4 byte dec)

I checked and the HEM seems to be reporting regularly based on the Epoch timestamp on the KWHReading register, but not necessarily every 10 seconds, or even every minute.

I know there should be enough information out there now to get this working, and I'm sorry to bother the group with yet another configuration question, but I can not get anything back other than zeros for both Watts and kWh, and since Aeon Labs seems to be unreachable, I don't know where else to turn.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: tinkerdoctor on January 12, 2015, 01:26:12 pm
Me too.  I use vera UI7, otherwise everything is the same.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Hexasoarus on January 14, 2015, 04:08:37 pm
Update to my issue two posts ago:  Aeon Labs got ahold of me (Chris Cheng, Thank you for your help!!)

He sent me several update files v3.67, v3.65, v3.64, v3.62 & v3.61 with instructions to load v3.67 un-pair/re-pair the HEM.  I was not able to unpair through traditional means, but simply deleted the HEM and Clamps 1 & 2 disappeared with it.  Reloaded (Vera 3 UI5) and it would reappear with default values.  I did the HEM reset (parameter 255=0 4 byte dec), which failed, then you delete the 255 parameter and the updated firmware version appears.  You then have to reprogram from the default parameter settings that appear.

I did this procedure for each revision of software working all the way back from 3.67 to 3.61 (identical process) and suddenly values started appearing for W & kWH (hurray!)...

..but it took be downgrading the Gen1 all the way back to v3.61.  Which is fine if it works.

What I did uncover is that the is a significant and dramatic difference in the 'Configuration Value 4' (LSB) that I'm SURE is confusing A LOT of people:
1) Gen1 does not support sending Amps or Volts

2) Gen1 LSB (Conf. Val 4)
    Gen1: Bit 0 = Auto Send Battery (Whole HEM)
    Gen1: Bit 1 = Auto Send MLSR (Multi Level Sensor Report) for (Whole HEM)
    Gen1: Bit 2 = Auto Send Watts (Whole HEM)
    Gen1: Bit 3 = Auto Send kWH (Whole HEM)

3) Gen2 LSB (Conf. Val 4)
    Gen2: Bit 0 = Auto Send kWH (Whole HEM)
    Gen2: Bit 1 = Auto Send Watts (Whole HEM)
    Gen2: Bit 2 = Auto Send Volts (Whole HEM)
    Gen2: Bit 3 = Auto Send Amps (Whole HEM)

I've worked up an Excel doc to capture this, but as noted earlier (or elsewhere) I don't think with my user rights I can post anything other than pictures here.



Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Gr8hifi on January 23, 2015, 12:41:48 pm
That's a nice spreadsheet but I'm not real sure how to read it.  I have a Gen 1 with two clamps.  I'd just like to see it report total house usage of power at any given time.  I'd like to see it update at least every 30 seconds.  I'd prefer not to see three separate devices, but, if that's my biggest problem I can live with that.  I tried changing a few things but it seems like information on this device is kind of scattered.  I'm pretty green with all of this stuff so my understanding of what's going on "behind the scenes" is basic at best.

Any idea what I would be looking to add or change under a VeraEdge control system?

Thank you and again, nice work on the spreadsheet.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: mvader on January 23, 2015, 01:12:44 pm

What I did uncover is that the is a significant and dramatic difference in the 'Configuration Value 4' (LSB) that I'm SURE is confusing A LOT of people:
1) Gen1 does not support sending Amps or Volts

2) Gen1 LSB (Conf. Val 4)
    Gen1: Bit 0 = Auto Send Battery (Whole HEM)
    Gen1: Bit 1 = Auto Send MLSR (Multi Level Sensor Report) for (Whole HEM)
    Gen1: Bit 2 = Auto Send Watts (Whole HEM)
    Gen1: Bit 3 = Auto Send kWH (Whole HEM)

3) Gen2 LSB (Conf. Val 4)
    Gen2: Bit 0 = Auto Send kWH (Whole HEM)
    Gen2: Bit 1 = Auto Send Watts (Whole HEM)
    Gen2: Bit 2 = Auto Send Volts (Whole HEM)
    Gen2: Bit 3 = Auto Send Amps (Whole HEM)

I've worked up an Excel doc to capture this, but as noted earlier (or elsewhere) I don't think with my user rights I can post anything other than pictures here.

very helpful information & pic
thanks for putting it all together!
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Gr8hifi on January 23, 2015, 03:26:04 pm
Mvader:  how do I use this information?

Thank you,
Jason
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: mvader on January 23, 2015, 07:37:07 pm
well i guess the first question is do you need to use it at all?
is the device performing as  you expect?
do you need different/other information than what is being presented?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: Gr8hifi on January 24, 2015, 10:23:44 am
What I'd like is to see one device and have it update at least every 30 seconds, is that possible?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: knottyau75 on January 24, 2015, 05:57:22 pm
Well, This is proving to be a frustrating Little Beasty.  Between my knowledge level and the Multitude of versions and the esoteric way this is configured I'm rather confused :)


Let me start from the Start and I hope somebody can  point out where I have gone Wrong.  I have a 3 Phase HEM which I believe i Version 1 (has Batteries and USB Port)

I have installed Firmware 3.64 for Australia (where I am )

I only want WATTS for wach clamp (at this point, maybe watts and KWH's later) and Watts and KWhrs for the whole HEM .

i have fitted the AC to USB adapter that came with the unit so I dont need the Battery report

From the Engineering Sheet I believe the Binary String to give me what I want is 0000111 0000110

1 - watts clamp 3
1 - watts clamp 2
1 - watts clamp 1
0 - reserved
0 - reserved
0 - reserved
0 - reserved
1 - KWh for Whole HEM
1 - WATTS for Whole HEM
0 - Battery Report


As I understand it, I convert this Binary string to Decimal and Use that value as Variable 101.

The Binary to decimal converter gives me a value of 902, which i add to Variable 101.

This configuration fails and seems to set a value of 774.

I'm guessing I'm doing something Fundamentally wrong. 

I'f I set a value of 12 I do get a value back for KWH and WAtts for the Whole HEM, But that is not a lot of use to me. 

Anyone tell what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks in Advance

Knotty

Hopefully some-one can point out where
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: mvader on January 24, 2015, 09:42:12 pm
I have a gen2 and mine sends stats all the time.
If i had a gen1 spec/engineering doc sheet we could determine the correct setting to send (if the device accepts them it may not)
so the answer is I'm not sure.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: knottyau75 on January 24, 2015, 10:23:28 pm
Hi Mvader, 

Here's a Spec Sheet for the V1 HEM.

Hope this Helps

Knotty
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: mvader on January 26, 2015, 09:54:50 am
Well, This is proving to be a frustrating Little Beasty.  Between my knowledge level and the Multitude of versions and the esoteric way this is configured I'm rather confused :)


Let me start from the Start and I hope somebody can  point out where I have gone Wrong.  I have a 3 Phase HEM which I believe i Version 1 (has Batteries and USB Port)

I have installed Firmware 3.64 for Australia (where I am )

I only want WATTS for wach clamp (at this point, maybe watts and KWH's later) and Watts and KWhrs for the whole HEM .

i have fitted the AC to USB adapter that came with the unit so I dont need the Battery report

From the Engineering Sheet I believe the Binary String to give me what I want is 0000111 0000110

1 - watts clamp 3
1 - watts clamp 2
1 - watts clamp 1
0 - reserved
0 - reserved
0 - reserved
0 - reserved
1 - KWh for Whole HEM
1 - WATTS for Whole HEM
0 - Battery Report


As I understand it, I convert this Binary string to Decimal and Use that value as Variable 101.

The Binary to decimal converter gives me a value of 902, which i add to Variable 101.

This configuration fails and seems to set a value of 774.

I'm guessing I'm doing something Fundamentally wrong. 

I'f I set a value of 12 I do get a value back for KWH and WAtts for the Whole HEM, But that is not a lot of use to me. 

Anyone tell what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks in Advance

Knotty

Hopefully some-one can point out where

looks like you are missing one.
they are 4 byte segments
you only have 3

you have 0111 0000 110
you should have 0111 0000 1101 or 0111 0000 1100
something along those lines
see if that helps.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: knottyau75 on January 26, 2015, 03:20:14 pm
aha,  so I truly was missing nothing,  or in this case, zero :)
 Sure enough, its working!   I must learn how to count.

Thanks for that!

knotty
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: TwannieM on March 12, 2015, 11:21:47 am
Hi there

I connected the HEM3 to monitor 3 different groups in my home.
I get reading but:
- readings are too low... more than half i would guess
- The main meter does only show total amount, no live watts..

Does someone know how to fix this?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: hmspain on March 12, 2015, 11:36:27 am
Hi there

I connected the HEM3 to monitor 3 different groups in my home.
I get reading but:
- readings are too low... more than half i would guess
- The main meter does only show total amount, no live watts..

Does someone know how to fix this?

I have the HEM V2 monitor (two of them).  One monitoring my solar, and one monitoring the grid.  I wish they indicated flow (sometimes power is flowing to the grid, sometimes from the grid).

I also have an EnPhase monitor that shows the wattage from my solar panels, so I have something for comparison.

The watts indicated by EnPhase, and the watts indicated by my HEM V2 are pretty much spot on.

 ---

I don't know what an HEM3 is; sorry.  I had an electrician hook up my HEMs.  Even though I'm comfortable around the stuff, there are things I prefer that an electrician does.  Even so, he ended up mis-labeling the two HEMs :-).

If you are off by a factor of two, I would look hard at 240VAC vs 120VAC.  I think these HEMs are designed to measure 240VAC (line 1 and line 2).  HEMs show up as three devices in Vera.  Line 1, Line 2, and the composite.  I "favorite" the composite device, and label it "Solar Total" or "Grid Total".

If you hook up your HEM to your electrical dryer (assuming 120VAC), I would think the readings could get confusing.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: TwannieM on March 12, 2015, 01:43:38 pm
The HEM 3 is exactly the same (4 devices)
I am on 220V so I don't understand why the readings are wrong...
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: TwannieM on March 12, 2015, 02:05:22 pm
I also notice channel 3 is "late" showing data..
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: hmspain on March 12, 2015, 04:51:32 pm
The HEM 3 is exactly the same (4 devices)
I am on 220V so I don't understand why the readings are wrong...

The HEM monitor instruction guide is real specific about how those clamps need to be attached.  You get one backward, and I would expect confusion to result :-).
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: TwannieM on March 12, 2015, 06:34:11 pm
The clamps are connected right
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: TwannieM on March 12, 2015, 08:27:37 pm
This is a screenshot of the configuration settings (default) Note the tekst in the left field... never saw this
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: rafale77 on April 08, 2015, 01:44:38 am
Funky behavior: I have a 2 clamp one and after having it run correctly for the past 2 days, today out of the blue I get a new _generic io device show up in my vera. I am pretty sure it is the ghost 3rd clamp and for some reason I can't delete it from my vera... Every time I try, it pops right back up. How does the vera add a device on its own is beyond me.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: svaleb on May 09, 2015, 11:16:20 am
I am no better off.
Ihava a gen 1 firmw. 3.67, using battery, 3 clamp 100 A.
Set to 230 v (EU) and have no reading.
I want to monitor a part of my system (pump and waterheater)
Have tried several parameters no luck.
I have read the whole tread ...and tryed.
Hope new solutions come up.
Regards
           CE
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: TwannieM on May 09, 2015, 12:09:18 pm
you could contact aeon support, they are welcome to help you in my experience
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: svaleb on May 12, 2015, 06:26:14 pm
Thanks TwannieM
I might do that.
But finaly I got redings 3wats on clamp 2 and 9wats on clamp 3.
Using 16140 in parameter 101.
It is progress...but the redings are wrong.
Any idears ?

Regards CE
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: TheKorn on May 20, 2015, 06:37:06 pm
The HEM monitor instruction guide is real specific about how those clamps need to be attached.  You get one backward, and I would expect confusion to result :-).

Ummm...  it does??  All I got with mine was basically, well, *this*:  http://aeotec.com/z-wave-home-energy-measure/135-home-energy-meter-manual-instructions.html

And that doesn't say squat about which direction to point anything.  (Kind of getting annoyed with aeotec; seems that there are better docs out there *somewhere*, just don't have any idea where!)
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: fullmoonguru on June 06, 2015, 01:53:20 pm
I just put one in & it came with directions which included pictures.  I'm in the US and it showed #1 with the L toward the panel & #2 installed the opposite way.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: rafale77 on June 13, 2015, 03:16:29 am
For those who could be interested, besides creating a scene with luup code to reset the HEM monthly, I wanted to record the KWH before it resets.
I created a virtual device:

-App/Develop App/Create device
-Enter " D_PowerMeter1.xml" in the field "Upnp device filename"
-Enter whatever you want in the field "Description" -> it will be the virtual sensor name...
-Choose a room if applicable
-Click 'Create Device'
-Reload luup
-Now that the device is created, just to make sure it does not disappear, go into the device's advance tab and add a variable. Go to the new service tab. Note the ID of the newly created device for later.
-insert "urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1" in the new service field
-"KWH" under new variable
-"0" as the new value.

I then edited the HEM reset scene by changing the luup code as follows

Code: [Select]
local meterID = 123 ** replace with the device ID of the HEM
local DisplayID = 456 ** replace with the device ID of the created device.
local kwh = luup.variable_get("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "KWH", meterID)
luup.variable_set("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "KWH", kwh, DisplayID)
luup.call_action("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:EnergyMetering1", "ResetKWH", {}, meterID)

Now every month whenever the HEM gets reset, it copies the KWH value into the "last month consumption" device.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: citywok on July 05, 2015, 10:49:42 pm
This device worked okay-ish for a couple days, with a few issues:
* The overall consumption generally doesn't equal the sum of the two smaller numbers (Sometimes it did, it's like it wasn't updating the overall number as often as the parent number?)
* After several days ONLY the overall number is changing, for the last 24 hours the smaller two numbers have been unchanged. 

I tried rebooting both the vera and the sensor and that didn't fix it.  Does anybody have any suggestions?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: clippermiami on July 06, 2015, 08:16:19 am
This device worked okay-ish for a couple days, with a few issues:
* The overall consumption generally doesn't equal the sum of the two smaller numbers (Sometimes it did, it's like it wasn't updating the overall number as often as the parent number?)
* After several days ONLY the overall number is changing, for the last 24 hours the smaller two numbers have been unchanged. 

I tried rebooting both the vera and the sensor and that didn't fix it.  Does anybody have any suggestions?

Wish I could help you but mine (a Gen 1 device)  has stopped working twice in two months. In each case the only way to get it running again was to Exclude/Include the device again. Nothing else I did made any difference; running the reset script, setting the PARM 255 value, etc. Nothing.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: christianm on January 03, 2017, 02:43:18 pm
I have version 1. Has anyone had Leg 1 Watts stuck on the same number? It's been a day now.

Thanks!
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: jamac on January 05, 2017, 03:41:29 pm
Is my HEM dead?

I arranged for an electrician to install my 3-phase 2nd Edition HEM (mains powered). He seems to have followed the installation instructions - at least as far as I can tell - but the HEM's LED is dark and I can't get any signs of life from it. I've tried cycling the power and pressing the action button (a brief press and 10-second reset press) but the LED remains dark at all times. Is there any way of testing whether it's alive?

By the way, I live in Australia and have 240 volt three-phase power.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: peterv on January 06, 2017, 04:53:24 pm
Is my HEM dead?

I arranged for an electrician to install my 3-phase 2nd Edition HEM (mains powered). He seems to have followed the installation instructions - at least as far as I can tell - but the HEM's LED is dark and I can't get any signs of life from it. I've tried cycling the power and pressing the action button (a brief press and 10-second reset press) but the LED remains dark at all times. Is there any way of testing whether it's alive?

By the way, I live in Australia and have 240 volt three-phase power.

I have a 2nd gen US two phase model and my LED is on all the time - solid.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: jamac on January 07, 2017, 03:20:37 pm
Quote
I have a 2nd gen US two phase model and my LED is on all the time - solid.
Thanks. There is clearly an issue. I'll check with support.
Title: Perfected and working Aeon Home Energy Monitor HEM V1 UI5
Post by: jjwatmyself on January 08, 2017, 11:02:35 am
I can't remember if I posted this or not, but here is my working config with HEM v1 USB powered on UI5

Firmware version 3.67 is posted on wiki, but not on Aeon's own web site. Download link can be found at:

http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Aeon_HomeEnergyMonitor (http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Aeon_HomeEnergyMonitor)

Do not add the Energy Plugin.  It's pretty useless and others report performance issues.

Once device is added in Vera, navigate to Device Options:

Need to configure as USB powered (not battery), disable deltas, set a single report group to send all values every 20 seconds.


New Values:

3 1bD 0 (disable deltas)

101 4bD 0 (report group 1 disabled)

103 4bD 6926 (report group 3 all settings) <-- defaults to 4bH which is a typo by the developer, change to 4bD

111 4bD 720 (report group 1 every 720 seconds)

113 4bD 20 (report group 3 every 20 seconds)

20 mon (verify is 1 = USB power)

12 mon (verify is 0 = battery related)

102 mon (verify is 0 report group 2 disabled)

112 mon (verify is 720 report group 2 interval)



Then save, go back to device and click configure node right now.

How to calibrate KWH... the method is exact, but the results are far from perfect. I recommend doing this a few times and finding a value that tracks as close as you can get it.

Feb 23
Vera 235.2970 KWH
Meter outside house 4991 KWH

Feb 26
Vera 272.6540 KWH
Meter outside house 5021 KWH

Delta
Vera 37.357 KWH
Meter outside house 30 KWH

Approx 24% too high (37.357 / 30)

120 /1.24 = 96.36

Change Voltage from 120 to 97, i.e. Device option Variable 1, update from 120 to 97.

Useful links:

Configuring Register 101-103 for HEM Gen 1 and Gen 2 http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3366.0;attach=21720;image (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3366.0;attach=21720;image)


Binary to Decimal to Hexadecimal Converter:
https://www.mathsisfun.com/binary-decimal-hexadecimal-converter.html (https://www.mathsisfun.com/binary-decimal-hexadecimal-converter.html)

Full developer manual: http://www.pepper1.net/zwavedb/uploads/resources/e0b35c0e67818e05ae869d08ec5b236709fcebad.pdf (http://www.pepper1.net/zwavedb/uploads/resources/e0b35c0e67818e05ae869d08ec5b236709fcebad.pdf)

Another useful link. Most of the values described are incorrect, hence the importance of using the chart and binary converter: http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,3366.msg94937.html#msg94937 (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,3366.msg94937.html#msg94937)

I may do a dedicated post with this info, which I feel is pretty rock solid.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: fitz2380 on January 15, 2017, 09:39:59 pm
jjwatmyself, how do you update the firmware in the AEON HEM V1?  I have version 3.67, but how do i upload it into the HEM device?  How do I tell what my current version is in the device?  My version string as viewed though the VERA UI shows: 3,2,78,3,60.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: fitz2380 on January 30, 2017, 09:27:58 pm
I was able to update my firmware and used the parameters that were posted above, but I still have the same issue with Clamp 1 values freezing.  Again as noted probably here and in other posts, I see the 'stray node' message in the log file. This appears whenever a report is being requested for clamp 1.  In addition, if you go  into the variables for this device you will see the capabilities variable for this device is blank. 

I was fortunate to catch it in the log file when it actually broke.  It occurred when I created a scene for another device and the Veralite went through its normal restart which occurs after you create or update a Scene.  During the restart process I see a line in the log file that shows the capabilities variable  for the Clamp 1 device going from the string that was stored in the variable to a 'blank'.  Why would that happen?  What would be causing that capabilities to be overwritten?  Does anyone have any additional input on this?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: gulo on February 08, 2017, 11:56:31 pm
Hello

I just got my gen 1 Aeon unit today and I am struggling mightily to get it to work.

First of all my 103-Report 3 setting show "4 byte hex" and desired value 1B00 with current value 6912. I tried to change it to "4 byte dec" and 6152, but every time I touch this setting I keep getting "failed to update" error. I was able to change some of the other ones like 111 and 113 report intervals and 3-enable delta to 0 but setting 103 always seems to fail.

I haven't mustered the courage to mess with my electric box yet so I put one clamp, and then also both first and second clamp around my dryer power line. In all scenarios when I start the dryer the returned values are between 2 to 6 Watts which seems ridiculously low. During some updates it would even go to 0. Is there some trick to it? Is the dryer power line too thin to support it? What am I doing wrong?

thanks!
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: trey504 on February 09, 2017, 05:07:36 pm
I'm trying to get the HEM V1 to work also. I got the current values to update by doing the following. On the main device go under Advanced -> Commands -> Click Configure node right now
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: user1121 on February 13, 2017, 11:17:33 pm
So I set this up, it generated 3 home energy monitor device entries.  One shows watts with values, and KWH with no value.  The next shows watts with values and KWH as a small number too, the third shows both as zero.

What do I need to get the third to, presumably, be the sum of the other two?  Why does the first one show no KWH but the second one does?

It appears the first one has all the device variables, the other two don't have those options.

For what it's worth, the first one also consistently says failed at setting user configuration, although the settings i changes per the recent posts did "take".

Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: jamac on February 16, 2017, 10:41:24 pm
I assume you have a two-clamp model? I've just got my 3-clamp model working. It created 4 devices - a master meter and 3 separate 'child' meters (one for each clamp). Initially the child meters only showed KWH and no Watts. After a bit of fiddling with Parameter 101 I got the master meter and each child meter to report KWH and Watts. I initially set the parameter to 16143 (per these instructions http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Aeon_HomeEnergyMonitor) but it didn't seem to work. I eventually found this excel spread sheet https://aeotec.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/6000124128-setting-parameter-101-103-for-the-hem-gen5-downloadable-excel-programmable-sheet-, which I used to calculate a parameter setting of 16131. After a couple of luup engine reloads all 4 devices are now reporting KWH and Watts.

The Wattage readings all look a bit 'off' but I'll need to do a bit more testing before I can reach any conclusions on this.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: jamac on February 20, 2017, 03:21:02 am
I have a couple of dumb questions that I'm hoping someone can help me with.

I've got a 3-clamp model that I'd like to use to monitor 3 separate electrical circuits - AC, pool and kitchen. This should be possible but there is a complication - I have 3-phase power. What if one or more of the circuits are on different phases. Will this affect my readings?

I'd ideally like to also measure the laundry circuit. If I put one clamp around two wires (eg, kitchen and laundry) will it aggregate the wattage and KWH readings on both wires?
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: user1121 on February 20, 2017, 09:09:33 pm
Do you set those for all the clamps and the overall device? How do you tell them apart? Yes I've got the gen1 2 clamp model.

Is there a way to tell the firmware version in Vera?  I use a MAC at home, no PC, so can't run the firmware tool, unless someone knows how to run it on a MAC.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: jamac on February 21, 2017, 03:21:40 am
You need to set the parameters on the 'master' device. There should be an option called 'device options'. If you click on this for a 'child' device it will show 'N/A'. Only the master device will give you access to the parameter settings. This is how you can identify which is the master device. Once you've figured it out you should rename the master device for future reference.

I'm not sure how to identify the firmware version. If you look at 'Advanced' and then 'Variables' there is a variable called 'FirmwareInfo'. However, this variable is blank for my HEM.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: jamac on February 22, 2017, 03:31:27 pm
I've got a 3-clamp model that I'd like to use to monitor 3 separate electrical circuits - AC, pool and kitchen. This should be possible but there is a complication - I have 3-phase power. What if one or more of the circuits are on different phases. Will this affect my readings?

I'm replying to my own post.

Aeon Labs support has confirmed that you can measure three separate circuits PROVIDED that the circuits are on different phases and are connected as follows:
1.   Voltage wire 1 and Clamp 1 must be connected to Phase A
2.   Voltage wire 2 and Clamp 2 must be connected to Phase B
3.   Voltage wire 3 and Clamp 3 must be connected to Phase C

Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: jamac on June 25, 2017, 10:40:58 pm
Reviving an old thread.

Does anyone know if it's possible to control the number of decimal places the HEM reports??? I only want Watts - Watts to 3 decimal places is overkill.
Title: Re: Perfected and working Aeon Home Energy Monitor HEM V1 UI5
Post by: dannieboiz on September 17, 2017, 04:02:00 pm
I can't remember if I posted this or not, but here is my working config with HEM v1 USB powered on UI5

Firmware version 3.67 is posted on wiki, but not on Aeon's own web site. Download link can be found at:

http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Aeon_HomeEnergyMonitor (http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Aeon_HomeEnergyMonitor)

Do not add the Energy Plugin.  It's pretty useless and others report performance issues.

Once device is added in Vera, navigate to Device Options:

Need to configure as USB powered (not battery), disable deltas, set a single report group to send all values every 20 seconds.


New Values:

3 1bD 0 (disable deltas)

101 4bD 0 (report group 1 disabled)

103 4bD 6926 (report group 3 all settings) <-- defaults to 4bH which is a typo by the developer, change to 4bD

111 4bD 720 (report group 1 every 720 seconds)

113 4bD 20 (report group 3 every 20 seconds)

20 mon (verify is 1 = USB power)

12 mon (verify is 0 = battery related)

102 mon (verify is 0 report group 2 disabled)

112 mon (verify is 720 report group 2 interval)



Then save, go back to device and click configure node right now.

How to calibrate KWH... the method is exact, but the results are far from perfect. I recommend doing this a few times and finding a value that tracks as close as you can get it.

Feb 23
Vera 235.2970 KWH
Meter outside house 4991 KWH

Feb 26
Vera 272.6540 KWH
Meter outside house 5021 KWH

Delta
Vera 37.357 KWH
Meter outside house 30 KWH

Approx 24% too high (37.357 / 30)

120 /1.24 = 96.36

Change Voltage from 120 to 97, i.e. Device option Variable 1, update from 120 to 97.

Useful links:

Configuring Register 101-103 for HEM Gen 1 and Gen 2 http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3366.0;attach=21720;image (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3366.0;attach=21720;image)


Binary to Decimal to Hexadecimal Converter:
https://www.mathsisfun.com/binary-decimal-hexadecimal-converter.html (https://www.mathsisfun.com/binary-decimal-hexadecimal-converter.html)

Full developer manual: http://www.pepper1.net/zwavedb/uploads/resources/e0b35c0e67818e05ae869d08ec5b236709fcebad.pdf (http://www.pepper1.net/zwavedb/uploads/resources/e0b35c0e67818e05ae869d08ec5b236709fcebad.pdf)

Another useful link. Most of the values described are incorrect, hence the importance of using the chart and binary converter: http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,3366.msg94937.html#msg94937 (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,3366.msg94937.html#msg94937)

I may do a dedicated post with this info, which I feel is pretty rock solid.

Thanks for sharing this, for the first time in years of owning the HEM the 2 clamps are properly reporting and adding up close or very close to the main total reports.

FWIW I set my refresh to 15 seconds cause I  like to see almost real time updates. Lets see if it hangs.
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: fitz2380 on September 23, 2017, 10:21:13 am
I would like to see how successful people are or have been.  I have two HEMs connected up and they continual to freeze.  You will know this when you see the phrase 'stray report' in your logs.  The device that is associated with this is your frozen HEM meter. 
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: fitz2380 on October 16, 2017, 09:46:27 pm
I wanted to again see how people were faring with their AEON HEM Gen1 energy monitors.  Since my last post, I have upgraded to the Vera Plus.  The Vera Plus does not reboot near as much as my Vera Lite did, however, I still will get a failed child device after a reboot of the Vera Plus.  They do not fail every time there is a reboot, but more often than not they will.  I now have two AEONs installed so I have 4 child devices so more chances for failure.  I don't understand why the vera has to reboot when I turn a Scene on or off, but oh well.

As noted before when the monitors fail (freeze), their capabilities variable are null.  I have written a periodic scene that runs once an hour to see if any of the child devices has failed by checking their capabilities variable and I generate alerts to let me know if one has.  I have discovered that I can reload from a backup and recover the capabilities and not have to redefine the devices which would then change the device Ids and cause me to update my luup code.  So still a pain but at least recoverable.

I wish I could figure out how the child devices get generated and if there would be a fix that would prevent the capabilities from being set to null. Almost sounds like something is not initialized prior to the devices being detected or whatever. 

As a side note I remember seeing a post that discussed defining your device ids at startup and setting them to variable names to be used in your luup code and then you only needed to redefine these device ids in the startup and not in all of your luup code.  I cant seem to find that post so if somebody can find it and post a link that would be great. 



Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: jswim788 on October 17, 2017, 02:05:23 pm
As a side note I remember seeing a post that discussed defining your device ids at startup and setting them to variable names to be used in your luup code and then you only needed to redefine these device ids in the startup and not in all of your luup code.  I cant seem to find that post so if somebody can find it and post a link that would be great.
I don't have that post, but this should be very simple.  Just add lines such as these to your startup lua and you should be able to use the variable names as desired:
Code: [Select]
gSomeDeviceID = 27
gSomeServiceID = "urn:upnp-org:serviceId:SwitchPower1"
I'm curious to know if there is a better method...
Title: Re: aeon labs energy monitor
Post by: fitz2380 on October 23, 2017, 09:35:23 pm
Thanks for the info on coding the device IDs as I may still do this.  I have determined that it appears that it might be a timing issue with regards to the HEM children losing their capabilities variables.  In every instance, by HEM children capabilities curves have been set to null after a restart of vera such as what happens when you create or edit an existing scene.   As noted in my previous post, I thought that a backup was restoring the capabilities variables, but tonight I reloaded the same backup 3 times before the capabilities variables were restored. 

So is it possible there is a timing issue on creating the children and do they get created or updated on every restart of vera?  Is there some way to delay the restart if it truly is a timing issue. 

Hoping someone has some ideas or has solved this issue some how.