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Title: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: BOFH on September 07, 2015, 11:57:19 pm
Making a seperate topic to let people know.

If you have First Alert ZCOMBO smoke detectors, be careful about installing the upgrade. Please read below first.

I have a scene that if one of them alerts to smoke, all zwave controller lights in the house switch on. (to aid me in looking for smoke and/or escape the house) Luckily I do not have a siren yet as in the last hour, this scene was fired twice due to Vera falsely thinking the ZCOMBO had detected smoke. Which it had not. Needless to say this is not amusing at around freaking midnight having just fallen asleep. The first time I thought one of my dogs had pushed the 'all on' button on a remote but that wasn't the case.

As I type this, my Vera 3 is being rolled back to 7.0.10 as there is no way I'm going to deal with this.

Firmware thread with URL's to most recent versions: http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,32278.0.html
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO. DON'T DO IT!!!!
Post by: Marc Shenker on September 08, 2015, 09:20:15 am
BOFH, I was just going to respond to your message.

I have seen two reports of this since the new FW was pushed out. I have 6 of these myself. I am upgrading my system now, enabaling verbose logging and Customer Care will be looking at my system right away to see what the problem is.

I will keep you posted.


UPDATE: I have replicated the issue, Customer Care is already looking at my controller to identify and resolve the issue.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: RobotsFearMe on September 10, 2015, 06:27:00 am
Hello,
I'm experiencing this same issue with my ZCOMBO, so I'm glad to know it's not just me.  Is there an ETA on a fix for this issue? It's quite aggravating, to say the least.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO. DON'T DO IT!!!!
Post by: squatingyeti on September 10, 2015, 08:43:41 am
BOFH, I was just going to respond to your message.

I have seen two reports of this since the new FW was pushed out. I have 6 of these myself. I am upgrading my system now, enabaling verbose logging and Customer Care will be looking at my system right away to see what the problem is.

I will keep you posted.


UPDATE: I have replicated the issue, Customer Care is already looking at my controller to identify and resolve the issue.

Has it come to no one else's attention that Marc seems to have setups that include a lot of hardware most of us have? Has it also not come to anyone else's attention that they don't, you know, maybe test the firmware with someone that is frequently seeing the same issues we get upon release? I mean, especially since you work for them. I'm not a rocket scientist, but uhh, maybe they should be giving you a RC before dumping it on us.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: Marc Shenker on September 10, 2015, 10:48:39 am
An update.

I have made contact with First Alert, although not someone with the information that we need but hopefully the people that I have spoken to can get the documentation that we need. Ideally this will be fixed as soon as we get the documentation we need, hopefully in the next update but I couldn't say yet.

squatingyeti, that would be ideal but I am not part of the QA team and currently they do the testing. Two members of the management team are in Iasi this week and they are meeting with the senior members of the Dev Team to discuss many things, I will make sure that the QA process gets discussed.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: BOFH on September 10, 2015, 12:35:31 pm
Thanks for the update Marc!

Hopefully they do give the info so the test button and CO part of these detectors can be supported. That would make a lot of us very happy.

I must admit I was surprised this particular 'undocumented feature' slipped through the QA process as the ZCOMBO is quite a popular unit (At least in the USA) and one of the few ZWave smoke detectors on the market. I only know of the Kidde that Homedepot carries and the Vision and Everspring units as other alternatives. But only the ZCOMBO does CO to the best of my knowledge.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: Marc Shenker on September 11, 2015, 12:11:41 pm
BOFH, no problem. There is no reason to keep everyone in the dark. I try to work from the ethos that a task isn't done until you finish communicating to those who need to know.

I am working on my weekly update to the Management Team on the issues of the week and I'm going to include your comment.

I have all those ZCOMBOs mostly because someone else paid for them (former owner of my house, its a long but funny store to be shared over a beer) and they were in stock and we were in a hurry. I also have a Vision smoke and CO, would have been fine if they were available that day. All are good choices.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: BOFH on September 11, 2015, 12:27:41 pm
I currently run 2 ZCOMBO"s and 2 Vision smoke only units (Monoprice version) I've not seen Vision combo units yet. I'm not to worried about CO as I have no gas or fireplace in my house. But I put one of the ZCOMBO's in the garage just in case and the other is near the master bedroom. The Visions are in my home office and kitchen area. So most of the house is covered. with some conventional units as backups. Until reach their 10 year (End of life) anniversary in a few years.


Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: solarshine on September 14, 2015, 11:33:47 am
Just posted in the main 7.0.11 thread that I had several zsmoke false scene triggers - the local detector's sounders did not activate, only the scene.

I have certainly had a few false positives from the zsmokes before with actual false detection/local sounder activation - but this is crazy. I have 14 devices and one scene triggers every few minutes... About to downgrade.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: solarshine on September 14, 2015, 12:23:45 pm
I can't seem to clear the triggered status of my devices... so I can't re-arm them. I have downgraded to .649 and rebooted several times. I have also recycled battery power on a few detectors which is a major PITA and no help.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: BOFH on September 14, 2015, 04:18:21 pm
There's an easy way to do it manually. Create a Virtual Panel with persistent toggle buttons for each of your smoke alarm.
Then set the off state for that button to set either Tripped or ArmedTripped (depending which one is set to 1) to value 0.
Now you can untrip your smoke sensor with a click on the button.

An added bonus is that at a glance you can see which alarms are tripped or not. I've created a panel that shows all my door/window sensors, motion sensors (and their temp values) and smoke sensors. As well as my glass break one. All on one panel.

Rstrouse's excellent Virtual Panel plugin can be found in the UI7 app store. 
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: jprafter on September 14, 2015, 05:45:51 pm
I now have an issue with two ZCOMBO's that stay stuck on alert status. I deleted the one as it was triggering scenes.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: Marc Shenker on September 22, 2015, 10:58:02 am
An update: Today I received the in documentation we needed from First Alert. Hopefully we will get it integrated and tested in time for the 7.0.12 update.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: integlikewhoa on September 22, 2015, 11:32:29 am
An update: Today I received the in documentation we needed from First Alert. Hopefully we will get it integrated and tested in time for the 7.0.12 update.

I thought we test after the release? 2 weeks shouldn't be an issue to fix what you broke in the last update. 
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: BOFH on September 22, 2015, 12:15:56 pm
An update: Today I received the in documentation we needed from First Alert. Hopefully we will get it integrated and tested in time for the 7.0.12 update.

Great! Did they provide enough info so support for the test button and CO part can now be implemented? As that would rock!
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: Marc Shenker on September 22, 2015, 01:52:11 pm
An update: Today I received the in documentation we needed from First Alert. Hopefully we will get it integrated and tested in time for the 7.0.12 update.

I thought we test after the release? 2 weeks shouldn't be an issue to fix what you broke in the last update.

You are right and we are addressing that internally.

This information  isn't regarding that change. First Alert never published documentation for the ZCombo, therefore we've never had the code for a CO alert. We now have all of the information needed to fully and properly integrate the ZCombo on the platform so you can get the full benefits of what it can do. See my reply to BOFH.

Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: Marc Shenker on September 22, 2015, 01:54:27 pm
An update: Today I received the in documentation we needed from First Alert. Hopefully we will get it integrated and tested in time for the 7.0.12 update.

Great! Did they provide enough info so support for the test button and CO part can now be implemented? As that would rock!

And then some! I will check in with the Dev team to get the full download.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: Sundayfun on September 22, 2015, 02:53:26 pm
Great news! I should be able to put the batteries back into my smoke detector soon.

Cheers

An update: Today I received the in documentation we needed from First Alert. Hopefully we will get it integrated and tested in time for the 7.0.12 update.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: Marc Shenker on September 22, 2015, 04:29:09 pm
Great news! I should be able to put the batteries back into my smoke detector soon.

Cheers

An update: Today I received the in documentation we needed from First Alert. Hopefully we will get it integrated and tested in time for the 7.0.12 update.

Please don't even joke about not having batteries in your smoke/CO detector It is a safety device. Batteries should only be removed to reset it and then put back in. If it is causing unwanted erroneous alerts, disable the notifications and scenes associated with it until the next FW update.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: Sundayfun on September 23, 2015, 11:38:23 am
Marc you are 100% right, no one should ever say take the batteries out of their Smoke Detectors even if to told to di it by tech support!


Great news! I should be able to put the batteries back into my smoke detector soon.

Cheers

An update: Today I received the in documentation we needed from First Alert. Hopefully we will get it integrated and tested in time for the 7.0.12 update.

Please don't even joke about not having batteries in your smoke/CO detector It is a safety device. Batteries should only be removed to reset it and then put back in. If it is causing unwanted erroneous alerts, disable the notifications and scenes associated with it until the next FW update.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: Jamr on September 24, 2015, 12:36:51 pm
An update: Today I received the in documentation we needed from First Alert. Hopefully we will get it integrated and tested in time for the 7.0.12 update.

Great! Did they provide enough info so support for the test button and CO part can now be implemented? As that would rock!

My ZCombo's test button trips my scenes running 17690. It does not reset nor do i know or have the ability to test the CO function of it.

I also noticed the battery level reported by Vera is down 10% in just one week. I do not know if this has anything to do with Vera showing it as not reset.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: jmarty32 on October 01, 2015, 10:38:08 pm
Mark, any news on a fix for the issue caused by the last update?
Thanks
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: Marc Shenker on October 02, 2015, 07:55:40 am
Mark, any news on a fix for the issue caused by the last update?
Thanks

jmarty, that's Marc not mark.

I spoke with the QA team yesterday. It is better than fixed. We finally got the documentation that we needed from FA and we have the ZCombo fully integrated to the full degree that they allow. It is part of the next FW update.

When it comes to integrating devices some companies are easier to work with than others, pressure on them from their users to work closer with us does help. In this case they got tagged repeatedly in social media and had pressure put on them from the Z-Wave alliance.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: jmarty32 on October 02, 2015, 09:17:19 am
My apologies Marc for the misspelling of your name and thank you for your quick reply.

Is there a date for release of the new firmware? I have pets and rely on these sensors for monitoring my home while I travel for work. Thanks

Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: Jamr on October 02, 2015, 11:30:56 am
Mark, any news on a fix for the issue caused by the last update?
Thanks

jmarty, that's Marc not mark.

I spoke with the QA team yesterday. It is better than fixed. We finally got the documentation that we needed from FA and we have the ZCombo fully integrated to the full degree that they allow. It is part of the next FW update.

When it comes to integrating devices some companies are easier to work with than others, pressure on them from their users to work closer with us does help. In this case they got tagged repeatedly in social media and had pressure put on them from the Z-Wave alliance.

Great news Marc. Being these are security devices, is there any chance of an early early update? Or maybe a separate update with only the FA changes in it.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: BOFH on October 02, 2015, 12:22:51 pm
I spoke with the QA team yesterday. It is better than fixed. We finally got the documentation that we needed from FA and we have the ZCombo fully integrated to the full degree that they allow. It is part of the next FW update.

BOOJAH!!!

Hopefully Clippermiami did not get rid of his yet. ;)
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: Marc Shenker on October 06, 2015, 02:53:51 pm
Mark, any news on a fix for the issue caused by the last update?
Thanks

jmarty, that's Marc not mark.

I spoke with the QA team yesterday. It is better than fixed. We finally got the documentation that we needed from FA and we have the ZCombo fully integrated to the full degree that they allow. It is part of the next FW update.

When it comes to integrating devices some companies are easier to work with than others, pressure on them from their users to work closer with us does help. In this case they got tagged repeatedly in social media and had pressure put on them from the Z-Wave alliance.

Great news Marc. Being these are security devices, is there any chance of an early early update? Or maybe a separate update with only the FA changes in it.

To the best of my knowledge our platform does not support a targeted update like that. Any update that we put out must go through QA first which takes time. It won't be long now.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: myhomeserver on October 08, 2015, 12:53:25 pm
Just stumbled on this thread, I had two alerts the other day with my ZCOMBO and this new firmware.  Scared the hell out of me the first time lol

I have bigger issues now, the latest update somehow killed my Zwave after a day, I hit the ALL OFF last night went to bed and now I am getting a Luup engine is taking longer to reload, nothing works at all and also see a ZWAVE FAILED TO START 

We all know that's not a good error.    Marc, anything you can do to get this escalated, Im working with NH Chronicle for a shoot date and it will be soon and all on my Smarthome and how Vera does it all for me.   Hate to re-arrange the TV crew cause my Vera is dead!  :)

-Eric
http://www.MyZwave.net




Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: BOFH on October 08, 2015, 04:05:44 pm
You may want to try the steps in the attached document.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: EarlyMorningHours on October 18, 2015, 11:14:46 am
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Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: Jamr on October 19, 2015, 01:05:19 pm
I would do some actual testing of the smoke detection of these units, regardless of their function with Vera. I had reported a while back about my two ZCOMBO units not detecting smoke. I've since replaced them with two hardwired 2nd gen Nests. I've kept the ZCOMBOS sitting on the counter top in the kitchen just for the hell of it. Well last week my grandmother once again burned something beyond recognition in the time it took me to go grocery shopping. Everything was making noise in the house, including the outdoor siren from an alarm system I cancelled the subscription to (and that smoke detector is on a different floor and is nearly 30 years old). The only thing not making a peep were the two ZCOMBO units sitting about a meter from the source of smoke.

Sent from my LG-V500 using Tapatalk

Hmm? I will test mine.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: Marc Shenker on October 24, 2015, 06:49:24 am
I would do some actual testing of the smoke detection of these units, regardless of their function with Vera. I had reported a while back about my two ZCOMBO units not detecting smoke. I've since replaced them with two hardwired 2nd gen Nests. I've kept the ZCOMBOS sitting on the counter top in the kitchen just for the hell of it. Well last week my grandmother once again burned something beyond recognition in the time it took me to go grocery shopping. Everything was making noise in the house, including the outdoor siren from an alarm system I cancelled the subscription to (and that smoke detector is on a different floor and is nearly 30 years old). The only thing not making a peep were the two ZCOMBO units sitting about a meter from the source of smoke.

Sent from my LG-V500 using Tapatalk

This post prompted me to order some CRC Smoke Test. All 6 of my ZCombos tested out fine.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: Jamr on October 24, 2015, 11:52:03 am
I tested my (1) ZCombo with burning / smoking paper. It did not produce a lot of smoke. I could NOT get it to trip.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: farfromuman on November 04, 2015, 10:00:35 am
So is the Beta supposed to un-trip the Zcombos or do I have to do something else to clear them?  Mine are still tripped after the update.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: wezley69 on November 04, 2015, 10:43:05 am
@farfromuman - I had to exclude/include to get the device in an un-tripped state.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: Filipe on November 30, 2015, 11:30:14 pm
Has this issue been resolved???
I haven't upgraded my Vera Edge precisely because of this issue.


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Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: integlikewhoa on November 30, 2015, 11:51:40 pm
Has this issue been resolved???
I haven't upgraded my Vera Edge precisely because of this issue.


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Yes this issue has been resolved since the BETA which is now a final version.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: Filipe on December 01, 2015, 03:54:04 pm
So it's safe to upgrade to the new firmware I take it?


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Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: integlikewhoa on December 01, 2015, 06:41:56 pm
So it's safe to upgrade to the new firmware I take it?


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It's never safe, but I have the latest on 3 vera's and don't have any issues. Only one vera has there Z-combos and it has not issues with them.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: tybo611 on December 03, 2015, 04:51:13 pm
It was stated that FA provided enough information to fully integrate this into Vera and that was released in the last firmware updated. Has anyone tested the ability for a CO alarm to trip the device in Vera?
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: integlikewhoa on December 03, 2015, 04:54:56 pm
It was stated that FA provided enough information to fully integrate this into Vera and that was released in the last firmware updated. Has anyone tested the ability for a CO alarm to trip the device in Vera?

I have not and did not see any official wording saying that it was done. I assume your reading that info only in this thread. But even then no one said it was completed .
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: HomeTheaterGuy on January 13, 2016, 01:13:19 pm
I would do some actual testing of the smoke detection of these units, regardless of their function with Vera. I had reported a while back about my two ZCOMBO units not detecting smoke. I've since replaced them with two hardwired 2nd gen Nests. I've kept the ZCOMBOS sitting on the counter top in the kitchen just for the hell of it. Well last week my grandmother once again burned something beyond recognition in the time it took me to go grocery shopping. Everything was making noise in the house, including the outdoor siren from an alarm system I cancelled the subscription to (and that smoke detector is on a different floor and is nearly 30 years old). The only thing not making a peep were the two ZCOMBO units sitting about a meter from the source of smoke.

Sent from my LG-V500 using Tapatalk

This post prompted me to order some CRC Smoke Test. All 6 of my ZCombos tested out fine.

So, fair to say it is safe to purchase a First Alert zcombo-g unit? I was about to purchase 2, First Alert 2-in-1 Z-Wave Smoke & Carbon Monoxide Alarm, Cert ID: ZC08-13060006 units but stumbled upon this thread and hesitated until I saw that it seems the Zcombo issues were resolved.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: integlikewhoa on January 14, 2016, 09:45:01 am
I would do some actual testing of the smoke detection of these units, regardless of their function with Vera. I had reported a while back about my two ZCOMBO units not detecting smoke. I've since replaced them with two hardwired 2nd gen Nests. I've kept the ZCOMBOS sitting on the counter top in the kitchen just for the hell of it. Well last week my grandmother once again burned something beyond recognition in the time it took me to go grocery shopping. Everything was making noise in the house, including the outdoor siren from an alarm system I cancelled the subscription to (and that smoke detector is on a different floor and is nearly 30 years old). The only thing not making a peep were the two ZCOMBO units sitting about a meter from the source of smoke.

Sent from my LG-V500 using Tapatalk

This post prompted me to order some CRC Smoke Test. All 6 of my ZCombos tested out fine.

So, fair to say it is safe to purchase a First Alert zcombo-g unit? I was about to purchase 2, First Alert 2-in-1 Z-Wave Smoke & Carbon Monoxide Alarm, Cert ID: ZC08-13060006 units but stumbled upon this thread and hesitated until I saw that it seems the Zcombo issues were resolved.

The units are working for me over a year. The thing people want and haven't got is a seperate alert for co2.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: jmarty32 on January 14, 2016, 12:05:54 pm
I am still having issues with my unit.

A few days ago the unit started chirping so i removed that batteries since it was in the middle of the night. The next morning i was surprised that the low battery alert i had set up didn't let me know that the batteries where going low. I went online and the unit still showed as active with 70% battery life. It has been 2 days since i removed the batteries and the unit still shows fine with 70% battery life.

I have not changed any of the settings from the default. Is there something i need to change ?

I am still not sure i can trust this unit to be 100% fool proof and safe for my family.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: integlikewhoa on January 14, 2016, 02:05:20 pm
I am still not sure i can trust this unit to be 100% fool proof and safe for my family.

I have several and the only way it's going to be safe is if you have batteries in it and you test it with a can of smoke. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001B3BL0S/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1944687762&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B0041X4GRK&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1X8ZFX51Z5BETJ32Y728

You can stair it up on the wall everyday but if you never test it (with smoke) you will never feel comfortable or know if its really going to work when there is actually smoke in the house. Also the alerts on the phone should never be what saves your life. It should be the beeping from the unit, the alert is only a bonus while your away from home to know if something goes bad.

Also these smoke detectors are not made to poll back and forth from vera very much. There is no reason too. If there it is tripped it will send it fast but it doesn't keep sending battery updates every hour. That would drain the batteries. Check and see what your polling or reporting time are set to, to find out when it should update.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: Jamr on January 15, 2016, 01:47:24 am
I hate to jump in with promoting a different product, but after trying the Z Combos and the Nests, I have to say for the extra money, I love my Nest Protects.

The talking voice over the screeching is worth every penny, especially if we do have a fire and the confusion waking up, the smoke and screeching of a normal smoke sensor will make it more difficult to do what we have to do.
If you have more than one Nest and one is triggered, all of the other NP's will tell you verbally what room is setting them off.
The fact that I can hard wire them means I will never have to change a battery. I will never even have to think about them for another 7-10 years. Maybe a test every 6 months with the tap of the button, but that is it.
And with them being able to integrate with my Vera means I can still integrate them into scenes.
But what I love the most is the subtle night light that comes on when you walk under it. It really makes it a cool device. We use this every day! If you have to get up in the middle of the night, you have a light. They work especially well with kids in the rooms or in hallways. You can even turn off that feature if you want.
I wont even go into the phone app and extras you get in emails.
In my opinion, it really is worth the extra money.
I do sell these, but I can honestly say this is what I use in my own home.

If you want to know more contact me or we have product info here.
http://www.007systems.com/nest-smoke--co-alarm.html
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: integlikewhoa on January 15, 2016, 03:00:13 am
Well that was a pitch......

If it was a bit more ok, if it was double maybe, since its 3 times the cost..... im out.

Lowes just had the zcombos for 29.00 few weeks back. Nest never on sale and just like thier thermostats they are over designed to try and justify the cost. A few 9v batteries every 2 years is fine vs. Buying 800.00 in smoke detectors threw the house. Mine were a year old before Christmas and they read 80% battery.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: Jamr on January 15, 2016, 12:25:29 pm
Well that was a pitch......

If it was a bit more ok, if it was double maybe, since its 3 times the cost..... im out.

Lowes just had the zcombos for 29.00 few weeks back. Nest never on sale and just like thier thermostats they are over designed to try and justify the cost. A few 9v batteries every 2 years is fine vs. Buying 800.00 in smoke detectors threw the house. Mine were a year old before Christmas and they read 80% battery.

Not a "pitch". A testimonial. I really do use them in my own home.
At 99 dollars each I don't think they are "over designed" I use all of their features every day. Can you say that about a 40 dollar Z Combo. If you have no need for the extra features, you would think that they are over designed, but most people,  especially families, will use the extra features built in them and the extra expense will be worth it.
I forgot to mention the fact that The nests give you the option of battery or hard wired and work with the Nest thermostats. A plus if you install them.
I sell and install both the Z Combo's and the Nests, but I do like the Nests.
Do what you want, but you will not be disappointed with the nests.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: Marc Shenker on January 21, 2016, 03:34:45 pm
We have identified and are working on an issue in the 7.0.13 update. If you have not upgraded to 7.0.13 please hold off.

If you have, the devices cannot be seen in the web UI but they are still there and still functioning normally.

I will post again when the issue is resolved and we have a fix for it.
Title: Re: Vera 3 / UI7.0.11 and ZCOMBO may cause issues!
Post by: Marc Shenker on January 22, 2016, 10:18:03 am
The issue has been resolved.