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Title: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: Spanners on March 25, 2016, 07:38:22 am
Anyone got visibility on next release? We seem to have lost the monthly cycle, presumably due to Vera plus release.

Last UI7 update was a disaster for me, bricked unit needed WinXP firmware replacement and zwave has been flaky ever since. I'm hoping the large number of issues logged with the Plus will result in code fixes for the rest of us.

Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: titof174 on April 02, 2016, 03:23:43 am
The next update starts really getting long.
Personnalement, I do not have a lot of equipment at the moment so I have not met bug on my vera edge but it's true that people possessing a vera plus.

I think vera control have to do more small update rather than waiting 3 months for a big one.
This satisfied more people and this limit user dissatisfaction.

personaly, what I want most is an update of the mobile app.
The last update date of December 18, 2015 ... while homelive application had an updated March 2, 2016 and, I do not understand !!!


The biggest problem with that, it is that more " vera control" expect , more the expectation of users is large and the blows,  the risk of disappointment is great .

I have identified some gaps / bug on the app that make the application unusable for me for now:

- The screen stays on even changing the android permission (keep lit screen) and
This is problematic when we want to use it on a dedicated wall tablet.
- No refresh the image of a camera in the camera panel (should be adjustable (1s, 5s, 10s, 30s, OFF, manual with a button)
- When pressing play on the widget camera, live in there wrote "Not connected."
- When adding a plugin (vistual switch for example) on the application, we do not see the switch.
- It would add some language to the application (French and German at first)
- I saw on the forum that there will a problem on the WWN plugin, I receive my nest V3 tonight, so I might argue more about this tomorrow

To vera control, you must communicate more on your todo list , content of future updating and their date of availability.
I think you would avoid users angry.
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: amg0 on April 02, 2016, 09:02:12 am
have you tried AltUI ? it works on desktop and on mobile as well and does not have these issue. also it is localized in french and other language can be done easily by whoever wants to contribute

http://apps.mios.com/plugin.php?id=8246
forum : http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/board,78.0.html
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: titof174 on April 02, 2016, 11:05:20 am
Hello,
Thank you for your salvation and I realized the enormous work on ALTUI .
If Vera had you in his team, no doubt it would be more effective .
Personally, I prefer using the native application even if , for now , it is absolutely unnecessary because of flaws that I mention above .
Otherwise , I use the mobile site but it is a degraded situation which I hope will not last.

You will understand that made ​​use of a mobile site is not as comfortable as an application that's why I expect to firm up a nice evolution of the mobile application .

Vera control , if you could reply to this thread please , it would calm my frustration because , for the moment, the only time you answered me is when I foresaw the purchase of an edge .
Do not let me believe that your speech was interested
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on April 02, 2016, 11:11:30 am
If you want a response from Vera I suggest you use there Facebook or Customer Support to ask a question.
There participation here is spotty ... This is the USERS forum not an extension of there support organization.
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: Sender on April 02, 2016, 04:50:21 pm
April 14 2016 they told me:

Our goal is to release it on April 14 but if we will find some issues there might be a slight delay untill they are solved.

However, we will do our best to release it within 2 weeks.

Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: amg0 on April 02, 2016, 05:05:24 pm
Hello,
Thank you for your salvation and I realized the enormous work on ALTUI .
If Vera had you in his team, no doubt it would be more effective .
Personally, I prefer using the native application even if , for now , it is absolutely unnecessary because of flaws that I mention above .
Otherwise , I use the mobile site but it is a degraded situation which I hope will not last.

You will understand that made ​​use of a mobile site is not as comfortable as an application that's why I expect to firm up a nice evolution of the mobile application .

Vera control , if you could reply to this thread please , it would calm my frustration because , for the moment, the only time you answered me is when I foresaw the purchase of an edge .
Do not let me believe that your speech was interested


Agreed, I Fully understand the difference between a mobile site and a native app. But please note that there are very little difference between a mobile app and altUI because of some very important points that were part of altUI design.

1: altUI is a single page Web 2.0 app. there is never any other load of pages like a web site , it all happens on client side , with zero http page loads except the first one,the rest is fully Ajax based and therefor makes no difference of behavior or user feels.

2: the page uses the iOS meta tab which enables the user to save it as an icon on your iOS device home page and launch it directly from here. Once done that you launch it directly like any other native app and It feels no difference

3: it fully uses the bootstrap responsive design and adapt to all screen size . From iPhone 4 smallish to large desks screens, it just adapts to it.

Just in case...:-)

 
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: cybrmage on April 02, 2016, 05:24:12 pm
April 14 2016 they told me:

Our goal is to release it on April 14 but if we will find some issues there might be a slight delay untill they are solved.

However, we will do our best to release it within 2 weeks.

They have also stated:
Hi retireditguy. We are sorry for the inconvenience. The Insteon issue WILL be resolved in the next firmware update. It will not be released if the Insteon issue is not resolved. The I know that the QA team is in the process of testing the build, hopefully it will be ready to be released into public beta shortly.

Considering that the native Insteon support has been spotty dating back to mid UI5 (hence the need for alsteon)... The next VeraPlus firmware may never be released....
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: titof174 on April 03, 2016, 03:17:23 am
Thank you all for your answers.

But I must confess that I wrote too fast.

In fact, last night I became aware that an application for Windows 10 was released in beta. I tried it on my PC ( I wanted to try it on a portable mobile windows 8 but invisible on the store)

I must admit that I was surprised in a good way  :-* .

- There is the French ( and Italian and other ...)
- The camera works well ( refresh OK  )
- Many more menu.

If the android application take this direction, it satisfies me

I just noticed that

- the virtual switch is not shown ( though I uninstalled and reinstalled the application but it does not appear ) same for day & night plugin
- there are no buttons to control the DLNA on the plugin lolodomo ( I have not tried other plugin)
- Alerts are not display

@RichardTSchaefer Thank you for your answer
I thought vera control dragged by .
So I would follow the logic circuit to back up information

@ amg0
I'm sorry but I find the interface less adjusted , simple ... it may be the price to pay for more functionality .
But again , I appreciate the work that I have the feeling that you reinvents,a little, the wheel.

I think you should create some plugin ( with optional donation ) next .
I think ecodevice ,  Web Energy Server of cartelectronic , monitoring synology ....)
Given your knowledge , it would not take long to you and I would be happy to donate you for it.
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: tomgru on April 03, 2016, 11:22:34 am

In fact, last night I became aware that an application for Windows 10 was released in beta. I tried it on my PC ( I wanted to try it on a portable mobile windows 8 but invisible on the store)

WHat app in Windows 10?  Grasshopper?

Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: titof174 on April 03, 2016, 12:07:42 pm
Vera mobile beta on the windows store.
I have seen iOS apps have many language to.
so Android next maybe
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: tomgru on April 03, 2016, 12:40:53 pm
Vera mobile beta on the windows store.
I have se en iOS apps have manu language to.
Si Android next maybe

Forgot about that one.... I'm still on UI5...think that only works with UI7
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: trygve on April 03, 2016, 01:06:44 pm
Quote
1: altUI is a single page Web 2.0 app. there is never any other load of pages like a web site , it all happens on client side , with zero http page loads except the first one,the rest is fully Ajax based and therefor makes no difference of behavior or user feels.

As a web developer; I am pretty sure that the Vera mobile app is a "single page web app". I would guess its packaged with Phonegap or something similar to get it into the app stores.
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: amg0 on April 03, 2016, 01:23:59 pm
I agree, this is why I say altUI and a native app would have little feeli differences once altUI is saved as an icon on your home page. With the use of the meta tags you do not even see the iOS Safari header controls.
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: titof174 on April 19, 2016, 01:43:17 pm
Next beta release for this week ;)
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: Spanners on April 22, 2016, 03:04:16 am
Next beta release for this week ;)

Has it been released or anyone got a link to where it'll be found?

I've never put a Beta on before, but things are so bad I'm prepared to give it a go.
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: titof174 on April 22, 2016, 03:31:12 am
Not relaese yet  ???
Go to facebook
Richard give me this info 3 days ago
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: kornev on April 22, 2016, 03:15:31 pm
Next beta release for this week ;)
Yeah, like MicasaVera Ltd has ever delivered anything on time :)
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: Spanners on April 28, 2016, 02:16:35 am
Next beta release for this week ;)
Yeah, like MicasaVera Ltd has ever delivered anything on time :)

Maybe they've listened to all of the complaints about releasing poor quality code, and they're working to get the next release right.

This does of course mean we'll never get another Vera update ever again.
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: Sender on April 28, 2016, 03:00:21 am
14th of April it should have been release they said more than 7 weeks ago... but reminding MCV brings back the answer:

I have checked with the development team and they couldn?t give me an ETA for the exact release date but it?s possible to be released in a few weeks

And later:
This was the initial plan to release the firmware at that date but unfortunately it was delayed and my colleagues don?t want to specify another date because it might also be delayed again.

Hopefully we will release it in a few weeks.


You can view the status here:
http://support.getvera.com/customer/portal/topics/666697-release-notes/articles (http://support.getvera.com/customer/portal/topics/666697-release-notes/articles)

My fingers are so crossed awaiting a new firmware to solve ALL my problems... http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/attachments/concealed-open-carry/115348d1428970258-okay-texans-keep-your-fingers-crossed-fingers-crossed.jpg (http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/attachments/concealed-open-carry/115348d1428970258-okay-texans-keep-your-fingers-crossed-fingers-crossed.jpg)


Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: Spanners on April 30, 2016, 12:34:55 am

And later:
This was the initial plan to release the firmware at that date but unfortunately it was delayed and my colleagues don?t want to specify another date because it might also be delayed again.

Hopefully we will release it in a few weeks.


Clearly they don't understand project management at Vera - A task with no due date will be completed by the due date. ie, NEVER, and hope is not a method.



Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: GoBruins on April 30, 2016, 07:58:03 am
Clearly they don't understand project management at Vera - A task with no due date will be completed by the due date. ie, NEVER, and hope is not a method.

Agreed. My company would have been out of business years ago if the quality of the software (not to mention support) was at Vera's level.

I was considering the purchase of a VeraPlus to replace my 3, but based on Vera's track record with UI7, I seriously need to consider alternative products.  ???
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: ChrisK on May 05, 2016, 02:05:00 pm
So like many of us, they charged my credit card $150 in December, I guess they were cash strapped and needed our money so they could fund the Vera Plus build.  It bothered me a bit that I was charged well before it shipped.  So a month and a half later they finally ship the product.  They didn't ship as first come first server, but oh well. 

Now 4 months later I am waiting for a firmware release to make it do what I expect it would do from the beginning.  I mean, when they said it would support ZigBee, I thought it would.  But no, it meant that it could support ZigBee, and sure maybe a few devices would work, maybe, sort of.   After all, it has a ZigBee radio inside.  From what others have said, Bluetooth works just about as well.

I suspect they still have a funding problem. Maybe selling off 25% of the company did not raise enough capital?  If they never release decent firmware, the $150 lost is not going to make me loose any sleep.  It just bothers me that I feel scammed and I should have known better.  That's what bothers me the most.

Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: slockhart on May 21, 2016, 06:26:31 am
There are so many ways to look at it.  If they released a really buggy firmware on release date, there would be complaints. If they are delayed because of the issues found in testing, there will be complaints.  It's a no win situation.  I would prefer a delay versus a lot of bugs.  Keep in mind, there will always be issues, but I would prefer to wait and have a more solid solution.  I've used my Vera 3 for several years and it has been great.  I have had to use support once or twice in that period, and hands down exceptional support. I just upgraded to the VeraPlus and there were some hiccups. But all my devices are working with a little tweaking here and there.  I guess my reason for this post is, you have to think which alternative is better.
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: ChrisK on May 21, 2016, 11:22:27 am
@slockhart, one question for you, would your recommend the Vera Plus to your friends without reservations?
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: Slartibartfast on May 21, 2016, 12:42:41 pm
@slockhart, one question for you, would your recommend the Vera Plus to your friends without reservations?
I would. I have not had a problem since day one (apart from those caused by me)
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: sebby on May 21, 2016, 02:40:21 pm
This may be an unpopular position considering the thread, but... this is a platform that costs around $100 and so many people are bitching that it is not absolutely perfect?  Seems crazy to me.  I think the platform works really well and it is getting better every release.  For the amount of money we have invested in it, i think i am getting more than my money's worth.  Just my $.02
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: ChrisK on May 21, 2016, 03:51:48 pm
My Vera Plus cost $150, but if were $100 it wouldn't change my opinion.  Maybe if bought an Edge, I would be happy, but that is not what I did.  I bought the Plus for ZigBee support.  If expecting that to work, and it doesn't makes me bitchy, so be it.

The Vera Plus is like a garden cart I purchased.  I had shopped around and found a cart that was far cheaper than anything else I looked at.  It wasn't the highest of quality, but for the price, it should meet my needs.  So I get it home and start to put it together.  All was going okay until I went to attach the fourth wheel.  No fourth wheel!  The picture on the box shows 4 wheels!  I looked in the box and all around, no fourth wheel.  Like the box that my Vera Plus came in, it showed ZigBee support, but it was missing too.  So, I go back to the store where I bought the cart.  And this is where the similarities of the Vera Plus and the cart had different outcomes.  The store owner knew it should have been shipped with 4 wheels, so realizing that this was a mistake, gave me another wheel.  No, the cart is not perfect, but it has 4 wheels and does what I expected it to do.  I cannot say that the same for my Plus.
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: slockhart on May 21, 2016, 04:23:44 pm
@slockhart, one question for you, would your recommend the Vera Plus to your friends without reservations?

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: sebby on May 21, 2016, 04:36:27 pm
My Vera Plus cost $150, but if were $100 it wouldn't change my opinion.  Maybe if bought an Edge, I would be happy, but that is not what I did.  I bought the Plus for ZigBee support.  If expecting that to work, and it doesn't makes me bitchy, so be it.

The Vera Plus is like a garden cart I purchased.  I had shopped around and found a cart that was far cheaper than anything else I looked at.  It wasn't the highest of quality, but for the price, it should meet my needs.  So I get it home and start to put it together.  All was going okay until I went to attach the fourth wheel.  No fourth wheel!  The picture on the box shows 4 wheels!  I looked in the box and all around, no fourth wheel.  Like the box that my Vera Plus came in, it showed ZigBee support, but it was missing too.  So, I go back to the store where I bought the cart.  And this is where the similarities of the Vera Plus and the cart had different outcomes.  The store owner knew it should have been shipped with 4 wheels, so realizing that this was a mistake, gave me another wheel.  No, the cart is not perfect, but it has 4 wheels and does what I expected it to do.  I cannot say that the same for my Plus.

Not trying to pick a fight here, but if you go here http://getvera.com/compatibility/ (http://getvera.com/compatibility/) and click on the zigbee category you will clearly see the zigbee devices that are supported.   I think your analogy is completely wrong.  a more accurate analogy would be that you purchased that garden cart and it had all the parts, but you wanted it to work with something else in your garden at it didn't.  Now you are angry and saying the cart is crap, when in all reality that cart is just fine had you read the specifications.   
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: Slartibartfast on May 21, 2016, 06:35:24 pm
I moved from an Edge to  Plus. I wanted the bluetooth functionality and the Zigbee looked useful too.
I read the details and I knew that the bluetooth support would not be there from day one but at least I have the hardware ready.
From what I see, the Plus has everything it advertised. It has z-wave,  zigbee and bluetooth radio's.
The fact that suppliers of Zigbee and bluetooth devices have not made them compatable with Vera does not surprise me and I am happy to wait for MCV to have to do it for them (works two ways for me).  :)
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: ChrisK on May 21, 2016, 07:08:38 pm
Not trying to pick a fight here, but if you go here http://getvera.com/compatibility/ (http://getvera.com/compatibility/) and click on the zigbee category you will clearly see the zigbee devices that are supported.   I think your analogy is completely wrong.  a more accurate analogy would be that you purchased that garden cart and it had all the parts, but you wanted it to work with something else in your garden at it didn't.  Now you are angry and saying the cart is crap, when in all reality that cart is just fine had you read the specifications.   

I am not trying to pick a fight either, and I am not angry. What I do see however, is that you are saying that if your experience is good, and mine is not, I must be at fault.  My analogy to the cart is right on.  The package showed 4 wheels.  Why should I expect that the cart was not compatible with the 4th wheel?   But it was in their future plans and I should be okay with that?

There wasn't a Vera ZigBee compatibility list back in December when I made my purchase. 

Quote
I think the platform works really well and it is getting better every release.

There has only been the initial firmware release back in February when the Vera Plus was being delivered.  Nothing since.  I suspect you have an earlier product and we are not talking about the same hardware.

Anyway within the 30 days of delivery I checked on the return policy.  I found I needed all of the packing material and there may be a restocking fee.  Unlike my usual self I had already pitched the box it came in.  Just the same, I called and ask about returning the product.  I was told that I couldn't talk to anyone about that.  Really, no one in customer support handles returns over the phone?  Really? Really.  Several days later I got an email regarding an open support ticket.  I was told I could proceed to return the product if I wanted to.  By that time I had lost any faith in Vera as a company.





Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: ChrisK on May 21, 2016, 07:17:48 pm
The fact that suppliers of Zigbee and bluetooth devices have not made them compatable with Vera does not surprise me and I am happy to wait for MCV to have to do it for them (works two ways for me).  :)

It doesn't work that way, it is the other way around.  Vera has not made their device compatible with suppliers of ZigBee devices.  There is a standard, albeit not perfect and it is up to Vera to design to be compatible with them.  They have not done so.  Glad you are happy though.
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: Slartibartfast on May 22, 2016, 04:04:17 am
The fact that suppliers of Zigbee and bluetooth devices have not made them compatable with Vera does not surprise me and I am happy to wait for MCV to have to do it for them (works two ways for me).  :)

It doesn't work that way, it is the other way around.  Vera has not made their device compatible with suppliers of ZigBee devices.  There is a standard, albeit not perfect and it is up to Vera to design to be compatible with them.  They have not done so.  Glad you are happy though.
I did know that. That was what we call sarcasm.
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: sebby on May 22, 2016, 09:08:11 am
The fact that suppliers of Zigbee and bluetooth devices have not made them compatable with Vera does not surprise me and I am happy to wait for MCV to have to do it for them (works two ways for me).  :)

It doesn't work that way, it is the other way around.  Vera has not made their device compatible with suppliers of ZigBee devices.  There is a standard, albeit not perfect and it is up to Vera to design to be compatible with them.  They have not done so.  Glad you are happy though.

Didn't you get a response from someone from MVC on this already in this thread http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,36354.60.html (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,36354.60.html)...
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: ChrisK on May 22, 2016, 10:17:11 am
I did know that. That was what we call sarcasm.

Sorry, I should have caught that.   ;D

The fact that suppliers of Zigbee and bluetooth devices have not made them compatable with Vera does not surprise me and I am happy to wait for MCV to have to do it for them (works two ways for me).  :)

It doesn't work that way, it is the other way around.  Vera has not made their device compatible with suppliers of ZigBee devices.  There is a standard, albeit not perfect and it is up to Vera to design to be compatible with them.  They have not done so.  Glad you are happy though.

Didn't you get a response from someone from MVC on this already in this thread http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,36354.60.html (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,36354.60.html)...

I am not sure what your point is.  Is it Marc is making excuses for their poor ZigBee compatibility?  You would think from what Marc says, that ZigBee is some obscure technology, that is just getting going.  Look, if they were not up to the task of implementing ZigBee compatibility, they shouldn't advertise as though they were. 


 

Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: squatingyeti on May 24, 2016, 08:05:03 am
It's frustrating watching this company flip flop on firmware releases and then go silent. They release a new device with obvious problems and haven't addressed even some of them with an update. Instead, we're just waiting for sometime in the future. Not that I expect updates every month, but come on.
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: Don Diego on May 24, 2016, 08:49:25 am
It's frustrating watching this company flip flop on firmware releases and then go silent. They release a new device with obvious problems and haven't addressed even some of them with an update. Instead, we're just waiting for sometime in the future. Not that I expect updates every month, but come on.

Hi squatingyeti

  I'm guessing that they don't  know what the release date of the next firmware upgrade will be. Don't know which is worse buggy frequent updates or a prolonged update with many fixes.

Don
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: Sender on May 24, 2016, 09:02:49 am
They (MCV) do know for what's worth it. It's been promised multiple times... let's hope it comes next 6 days.

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,37674.msg282031.html#msg282031
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: hellovn on May 24, 2016, 09:03:39 am
if they want to fix all the bugs, it will take 100 more years to release the next firmware. Users do not expect all the bugs to be fixed, they just expect what you promise is working should be working.
Title: Re: Next Firmware release date?
Post by: Spanners on June 01, 2016, 01:51:36 am
As the expectant crowd gathers for the 'end of the month'.

Torches in one hand. Pitchforks in the other.