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Title: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: packman on June 03, 2016, 04:23:00 pm
I just bought one of these and cant seem to get it to detect motion. I'm using it with a Veraplus. Successfully added it as a generic device and Armed it but It's not triggering on any type of motion. This is my first motion sensor is there something I'm missing?
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: packman on June 03, 2016, 08:23:22 pm
Forget it. I excluded then re-paired and a few minutes later it was detecting motion. Not sure why it didn't work the first time.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: mvader on June 03, 2016, 10:00:11 pm
Forget it. I excluded then re-paired and a few minutes later it was detecting motion. Not sure why it didn't work the first time.

let me know how the battery life is on those.. I've been thinking of picking up a few
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: silencery on June 09, 2016, 05:06:15 pm
Forget it. I excluded then re-paired and a few minutes later it was detecting motion. Not sure why it didn't work the first time.

let me know how the battery life is on those.. I've been thinking of picking up a few

Nice little sensor, but battery life has been abhorrent as written on the amazon reviews. Installed less than a week, and the battery is already reporting 90%. This is with all factory settings; no changes from the out of the box parameters.

Based on this rate of power consumption, I will have to change the batteries 7 times in one year.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: mvader on June 09, 2016, 07:23:47 pm
oh wow.. thanks for the heads up!
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rafale77 on June 12, 2016, 11:36:25 pm
Have had mine for a week. The battery did not budge... You must have gotten lemon AAAs
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: silencery on June 13, 2016, 06:32:55 pm
Have had mine for a week. The battery did not budge... You must have gotten lemon AAAs

Nothing's impossible, but I'd say it's rather unlikely it's the batteries. I'm using the Energizer alkalines supplied in the box.

Either way, there's something wrong for sure. The sensor is now reporting 60%. Down from 90% just four days ago. Crazy!
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: packman on June 13, 2016, 08:17:47 pm
Have had mine for a week. The battery did not budge... You must have gotten lemon AAAs

Nothing's impossible, but I'd say it's rather unlikely it's the batteries. I'm using the Energizer alkalines supplied in the box.

Either way, there's something wrong for sure. The sensor is now reporting 60%. Down from 90% just four days ago. Crazy!

It's been about a week and a half for me and still at 100%. I'd send them an email. They're pretty good at responding.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: Aaron on June 15, 2016, 12:42:07 pm
How quickly does the Light Sensor (LUX) report - when changes occur?

thx
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: winger on June 15, 2016, 01:10:06 pm
The zse40 reports luminance and humidity as a percentage. The luminance for example is set to 10% default. That means that whatever the luminance level is at a particular time the sensor will not report a change in the luminance unless it changes by +/- 10%.

Example: Let's say you have a scene that will turn on a light based on the luminance level of <45. Let's say the sensor shows a level of 54%. The sensor will not send a response until the level reaches 44% or 10% less than 54%. So being less than 45% the scene will fire.

The following are the parameters and their values:

For Temperature:
The parameter is 1. You can choose 0 for Celsius or 1 for Fahrenheit.

For Temperature:
The parameter is 2. You can choose from 1 to 5 (top number might be higher but why). Default is 1 for +/- 1 degree.

For Humidity:
The parameter is 3. Values are from 5% to 50%. Default 10%. (Do not use % sign)

For Luminance:
The parameter is 4. Values are from 5% to 50%. Default 10% (Do not use % sign)

For Motion:
The parameter is 5. Trigger Intervals are from 1 to 255. Default 3 (in minutes).

PIR Sensor:
The parameter is 6. Values are from 1 to 7. Default value is 4. 1=very high, 7=very low.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: Conarth on June 26, 2016, 05:11:34 pm
How do you change these parameters?   Like the #6 the sensitivity?   I looked into the device options, but don't see these listed.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: packman on June 27, 2016, 03:44:26 pm
How do you change these parameters?   Like the #6 the sensitivity?   I looked into the device options, but don't see these listed.

http://www.vesternet.com/resources/application-notes/apnt-102
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: turbo97se on June 30, 2016, 12:13:11 pm
I just got one of these and tried adding it. Did you add as a generic device? When I try to add, I get only low temp, high temp, temp and humidity showing up but no light or motion. Primary use for this is light and motion ... Would appreciate any tips here. I'd set it up manually if I have to.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: marcvera on October 21, 2016, 09:58:27 pm
Hi can someone please help with the steps to configure this.
I was able to add it to my Veralite with no issues.
I see two _generic IO, but these remain like a light switch. No temperature or motion displayed.

Please help thank you
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: myhomeserver on December 21, 2016, 06:45:30 am
Same here, it says it found the device when pairing, then says it exchanged security keys and fails to come up with anything other than GENERIC_IO

I've tried pair and excluding many times, waiting for hours and sometimes days to see if it will wakeup to configure.....No go
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: Topcat59 on December 22, 2016, 09:14:30 pm
So here goes.
i bought two of these - the first one would never accept the security keys - so back in the box and try it later...

the second one pairs, i see all the features - except motion - it lists it, but vera says "cant detect device" but the other three features are fine...

what am i doing wrong? 

Thanks
Tom
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: kalel3000 on December 23, 2016, 09:45:22 pm
I have the exact same problem! The motion doesn't show up on mine. It shows up as an on/off switch for the other 3 sensors, but nowhere is there a motion device that can trigger a scene or an alarm. I've unpaired and delete and repaired several times. I don't know what is wrong!
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: kalel3000 on December 24, 2016, 10:25:42 pm
Okay, so I think I found the solution. If it doesn't just appear normally, you have to manually go in and change the device characteristics. Not sure if I'm allowed to link, but this is where I found the answer. https://aeotec.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/6000077078-multisensor-6-motion-sensor-shows-as-on-off-device-in-vera-ui7-
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: Aaron on December 25, 2016, 03:03:44 pm
Okay, so I think I found the solution. If it doesn't just appear normally, you have to manually go in and change the device characteristics. Not sure if I'm allowed to link, but this is where I found the answer. https://aeotec.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/6000077078-multisensor-6-motion-sensor-shows-as-on-off-device-in-vera-ui7-

I just added three of these sensors. Is everything working as designed when you made the mods in the link?
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: erkme73 on January 01, 2017, 09:48:06 am
How is everyone adding this device?  I'm using Generic zwave device, and after three attempts, I'm still not making any progress.  Im getting it paired, but it's showing up as a Generic_IO and a single on/off set of buttons.  After a few minutes, I get a "waiting for device to wake to configure" followed by Error cannot connect.  Very frustrating.

Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: Aaron on January 01, 2017, 11:04:34 am
How is everyone adding this device?  I'm using Generic zwave device, and after three attempts, I'm still not making any progress.  Im getting it paired, but it's showing up as a Generic_IO and a single on/off set of buttons.  After a few minutes, I get a "waiting for device to wake to configure" followed by Error cannot connect.  Very frustrating.
If you have issues getting the devices to show... Pull the battery, put back in.

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Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: erkme73 on January 01, 2017, 10:53:39 pm
I just got the fix from Agnes over at The Smartest House.  Works like a champ:

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1. In the Vera online (browser) interface, select the sensor, then click on Advanced.

2. Go to the Params tab and make the following changes:

- device_type: urn:schemas-micasaverde-com:device:MotionSensor:1

- device_file: D_MotionSensor1.xml

- device_json: D_MotionSensor1.json

Then activate the sensor by clicking the Z-Wave button 3 times quickly (just like during inclusion). Please leave the device by your Vera for a few hours so it can fully configure.

Whenever you see a configuration error on the interface, you need to wake a device up manually by clicking on the Z-Wave sensor once with a paperclip. The sensor only wakes up for 20 seconds after inclusion and some controllers are not able to exchange all the data during that initial period of time. To conserve batteries, the sensor only wakes up every 12 hours which is fine during normal operation but is an issue if initial configuration is not completed at set-up. All it take to fix this is waking the sensor up by clicking on the Z-Wave button (the LED will flash once).

I actually had to wake the device a second time.   The first time the configuration process started and Vera rebooted.  By the time Vera came back up, and tried to finish the configuration, the device had gone back to sleep.  So I pressed the zwave button again three more times, and Vera finished the configuration.  Now no more errors, and all sensors are showing.  Very impressed.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: GLD on January 03, 2017, 11:26:25 am
Another post (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,39943.msg297221.html#msg297221) indicated that this sensor was the same as the Vision ZP3111.  I was having trouble so I tried pairing it as that device, and that did not make the problems go away.  Also, that plugin seems to be generally buggy.  Now when I pair the device as a "Generic Z-Wave Device" (after unpairing) it still gets assigned to the Vision ZP3111.  How can I stop that from happening?
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: kalel3000 on January 08, 2017, 05:04:49 am
Another post (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,39943.msg297221.html#msg297221) indicated that this sensor was the same as the Vision ZP3111.  I was having trouble so I tried pairing it as that device, and that did not make the problems go away.  Also, that plugin seems to be generally buggy.  Now when I pair the device as a "Generic Z-Wave Device" (after unpairing) it still gets assigned to the Vision ZP3111.  How can I stop that from happening?
Just follow this link:
https://aeotec.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/6000077078-multisensor-6-motion-sensor-shows-as-on-off-device-in-vera-ui7-

After I made the changes to mine, everything works normal now.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: GLD on January 08, 2017, 08:46:25 am
Just follow this link:
https://aeotec.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/6000077078-multisensor-6-motion-sensor-shows-as-on-off-device-in-vera-ui7-

After I made the changes to mine, everything works normal now.

I was missing the info in steps 4 and 5.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: kalel3000 on January 09, 2017, 03:32:55 am
I was missing the info in steps 4 and 5.  Thanks!

Yea, that's where I was getting stuck too. I didn't even know we could reload the engine like that.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: swine on January 22, 2017, 02:14:20 pm
ok so I did all the steps listed on this post and now I see the motion sensor with an arm/disarm toggle however how do i know if it is detecting motion, there is no indication anywhere that shows me.

EDIT: it isn't detecting motion...any ideas?
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: GLD on January 22, 2017, 02:58:59 pm
ok so I did all the steps listed on this post and now I see the motion sensor with an arm/disarm toggle however how do i know if it is detecting motion, there is no indication anywhere that shows me.

EDIT: it isn't detecting motion...any ideas?

The device (and I suppose other battery powered motion sensors also) sends a "motion detected" signal only once every 3 minutes or so.  This time interval is one of the configuration settings.  I found that made it difficult to test.

What I did is create a scene that is triggered by the motion device with an immediate action of turning on a light and a 2 minute delayed action to turn the light back off.  I just left that running for several days so I could see the motion detection happening.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: swine on January 22, 2017, 06:56:16 pm
Tried that still doesnt do anytning, its weird because I have a battery operated door sensor and when I open the door I see the icon looks like it is sending a signal so I know it is working.  The motion sensor doesnt do the same thing.  Its weird that this 4 in 1 isnt registering properly with the vera considering it is listed as compatible.  I have the edge with the newest firmware.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rge on January 23, 2017, 11:03:31 am
I can't help with the issue other than to assure you it does work with the Vision device settings - I have the "Cyrus" branded one, also the same, and get four devices in Vera.

I have it set up a similar way to GLD except I use the device itself as the timer for two scenes, one ON and one OFF.

The device sends a "motion detected" event and then sends a "stopped detecting motion" X minutes after the last detection (not after the first message), where X is your configured timeout.  This is exactly what is needed for a light switch.

Seems reliable to me (although tbh it's only a couple of weeks) once I'd turned off polling (doesn't work for battery devices), and adjusted the sensitivity to "1" (anything less seems to require waving your arms in front of the sensor!). The only thing that surprised me was changing params chews the battery life - in normal use it is OK so far.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: Wekurtz74 on January 23, 2017, 08:05:55 pm
I have the monoprice version of this device.  I tried pairing it using the generic z wave option, but it would not allow me to name the device, although it would successfully exchange security keys.  When I used the Vision 4 in 1 device option it worked. 

Mine engages in a strange (at least by my perception) behavior.  Every flew minutes it flashes a rather bright light.  Is this supposed to happen?  I wanted to use this in a bedroom setting, but it is annoying to say the least.  If you have seen this behavior and found a way to eliminate it, please let me know.  Thanks in advance for any replies.


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Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rge on January 24, 2017, 03:18:39 am
The flashing light is a temperature indicator - if you set parameter 7 to 1 it will switch it off.

Annoyingly it also switches off the movement indication flash.

http://products.z-wavealliance.org/ProductManual/File?folder=&filename=Manuals/1572/ZP3111-5_R0_20151113%20-%20VISION.pdf
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: jbfoster on January 29, 2017, 11:44:05 pm
Anyone have this with small pets? I want tp put this in a 20 foot hallway but I have several small dogs and a cat. I want to set it up so when someone comes out of the bedroom it will detect motion and turn on a night light in the hallway.

Thanks
Jim
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: GLD on January 30, 2017, 11:56:19 am
My 65 lb dogs set this off even if I reduce the sensitivity.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: Aaron on January 30, 2017, 02:06:30 pm
These are very sensitive... They detect 24" tall grass plants swaying in my yard!

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Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rge on March 01, 2017, 02:53:27 am
Anyone else have problems with battery level reports?

Mine ran for three weeks at 100%, then dropped to 1% and is still going fine after two more weeks. When I check with a battery tester they look fine - I'd guess 90%.

Is there any way to calibrate this?
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: Priest on June 06, 2017, 07:12:40 am
For the parameters listed in the document above.... How do I find those in UI7 for this device. Under advanced>parameters I have no options that look like those.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rge on June 06, 2017, 07:29:08 am
In Device Options - do "Add Configuration Settings" then the number of the param you want; set it intially to Monitor Only to see what is currently set, then change it if desired.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: Priest on June 10, 2017, 11:44:08 am
The flashing light is a temperature indicator - if you set parameter 7 to 1 it will switch it off.

Annoyingly it also switches off the movement indication flash.

http://products.z-wavealliance.org/ProductManual/File?folder=&filename=Manuals/1572/ZP3111-5_R0_20151113%20-%20VISION.pdf

In the paperwork that came with mine, parameter 7 being set to 4 will show a flash for motion but nothing for temp, which is what I believe you want.  I did this last night and it worked like a champ.  Once I finish getting it set up and know it's aimed correctly I will be turning all lights off for battery conservation.



Once the 4-in-1 sensor is added to your ZWave network, you are able to monitor the
values reported by the device on your computer or mobile device.
Please refer to your controller's user guide for advanced programming instructions as
they are a little different for every software.

Temperature Sensor
Parameter 1: Use this parameter to switchfrom Fahrenheit to Celsius scale.
Values: 0 – Celsius. 1 – Fahrenheit (default). Size: 1 byte dec.

Parameter 2: Use it to set temperature change to be reported by the sensor.
Values: 1 - 50 (where 1 stands for 0.1 degree and 50 stands for 5 degrees). Default set to 1
degree (value 10). The sensor will report new temperature value to the controller
whenever temperature goes 1 degree up or down. Size: 1 byte dec.


Humidity Sensor
Reports relative humidity. Parameter 3: Use it to set humidity
percentage change to be reported by the sensor.
Values: 1 - 50 where 1 stands for 1% and 50 stands for 50%. Default set to 10%. Size: 1 byte dec.


Light Sensor
Reports light level in percentage (1-100). Parameter 4: Use it to choose light
percentage change to be reported by the sensor.
Values: 5 - 50 where 5 stands for 5% and 50 stands for 50%. Default set to 10%. Size: 1 byte dec.


Motion Sensor
Parameter 5: Use it to set trigger interval - the time when motion is reported again
after initial trigger. Values: 1 - 255 where 1 stands for 1 minute
and 255 stands for 255 minutes. Default set to 3 minutes. Size: 1 byte dec.
NOTE: Small interval will increase activity and decrease battery life.


Parameter 6: Use it to adjust PIR sensor sensitivity.
Values: 1 - 7, where 1 = very high sensitivity and 7 = very low sensitivity. Default set to 4.
Size: 1 byte dec.


LED notifications
LED indicator will flash every 3 minutes or whenever you press the Z-Wave button to
indicate temperature level. How to read LED indicator colors?
Green = under 60?F
Blue = 60?-75?F
Yellow = 75?-83?F
Purple = 83?-97?F
Red = over 97?F / motion detected / tamper switch triggered

Parameter 7: Use it to choose between LED indicator modes.
Mode 1 = LED indicator is turned off (no visual notifications).
Mode 2 = temperature indicated with pulsing light. Motion indicated with flashing light.
Mode 3 = temperature and motion indicated with flashing light.
Mode 4 = no indication for temperature, motion indicated with flashing light.

Values: 1 - 4. Default set to 3. Size: 1 byte dec.
NOTE: Mode 2 will increase activity and decrease battery life.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: erkme73 on June 10, 2017, 12:08:31 pm
What is the longest any of you have gone on a set of standard alkaline batteries?  My best is about 4 months.  I've actually uninstalled mine.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rafale77 on June 10, 2017, 12:36:36 pm
What is the longest any of you have gone on a set of standard alkaline batteries?  My best is about 4 months.  I've actually uninstalled mine.

I have some of mine go for 9 months on the original batteries but they seem to vary a lot. I have one outdoor in the cold over the winter. After burning out the original alkalines I am switching them to eneloops NiMH rechargeable which give completely inaccurate battery readings of course but still works. Will see how long these last.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: jsoto on October 29, 2017, 01:53:39 pm
In Device Options - do "Add Configuration Settings" then the number of the param you want; set it intially to Monitor Only to see what is currently set, then change it if desired.

I set mine to Mode 1 (no LED indications).  Note that I found I had to be close to the controller to do this and had to press the reset (bottom pinhole button) on my Monoprice branded 4-in-1 PIR to get the settings to take.  The image below is what it should look like if successfully programmed.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: bookemdano on November 14, 2017, 11:32:04 am
Bumping this thread because I got two of these (well, the Monoprice version) a few weeks ago and they're not working right with my Vera Plus on the latest (October 2017) firmware. They pair just fine--even choosing Generic Z-Wave Device (but I have also tried choosing the Vision Device--the only change was the setup instructions). They exchange security keys and then the three child sensors (Temp, Humidity and Light) show up.  I give them all names, assign them to a room and wait. Within 10-20 minutes, I see values for all those sensors show up in the UI and it looks like all is well.

Then, a few hours later Vera gives me "Can't Detect Device" for the motion sensor. It looks like values for temp, humidity and light continue to update periodically, however.

I then go through the exclusion process (successful), reboot Vera for good measure, and re-pair the device, leaving it right next to the Vera for hours, only to get the same result.

I am somewhat ignorant of the realities of battery-powered Z-wave devices like this. Is this because the device doesn't support polling and Vera is trying to poll it? When I look at the settings screen for the motion device, wakeup interval is 1800 and the polling field is blank (meaning default, but I have no idea what the default for this device is).

Should I set polling to 0? Should I change the wakeup interval? Can anyone who has these sensors working properly tell me what values they are using there? I don't know if I'm barking up the wrong tree with this or if the sensors are just defective (odd that two would have the exact same problem though).

Thanks for any ideas.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: Don Phillips on November 14, 2017, 08:52:27 pm
Then, a few hours later Vera gives me "Can't Detect Device" for the motion sensor. It looks like values for temp, humidity and light continue to update periodically, however.

This is common behavior with some devices. UI7 reports the device cannot be detected but otherwise works fine.  I have 2 door sensors that behave this way. My motion sensor (the only battery devices) works fine without the warning.  May folks have included/excluded, factory reset the device, etc. Does not seem to matter.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: jethigh on November 15, 2017, 07:04:37 am
Hey bookemdano..... I have had the same experience as you during the last week.  In my case, the motion tripping never has worked nor has the temp flashed a color to indicate the temp range reading.  It will, however, correctly report the tamper function when opening the case. Does your motion actually trip?  Also Homewave does not even see the "motion device" as a motion device.  The temp, lux and humidity do appear and update correctly.  Sure is frustrating.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: Mark639 on January 29, 2018, 08:08:28 pm
Same issue, the device will pair, show temp, light, and humidity.  I can arm the device, but never get a motion detection.  Battery level indication seems to function fine.  I have included/excluded several times, all with the same result.

Getting so tired of this thing not working right.  Guess I will never get the thing working right.  Can't see returning it as everyone says it does work, how I don't know.  Any willing to share their device params and variables to compare?

Thanks
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: AKflyer on February 15, 2018, 03:01:59 pm
I finally got mine working!!  Long post, but here's detailed directions on what I did.  Hopefully it works for others, too.

Like many others, I've had problems trying to configure my Zooz ZSE-40 4-in-1 multisensor with my Vera controller (a VeraSecure, in my case).  By the time I'd recognized that it wasn't detecting motion at all, it was too late to return, and as others seemed to be getting it working somehow, it felt like a waste to throw it away.   It's been a frustrating experience, but after many hours of experimentation and false starts, and trying to put together some of the many fragments of information on various forums, I finally got all 4 sensors working, including the elusive motion.  Many thanks to everyone who contributed to posting information on their own efforts.  I've retried this three times and it seems to consistently work, using two Zooz units which didn't detect motion before.

Pair Zooz ZSE40 with VeraSecure.  The critical part of this step is in tricking the controller into pairing it as a Vision 4-in-1 ZP3111-5, which I'm guessing must have hardware similarities to the Zooz.

Pair ZSE40 with Vera initially:
From the "Devices" main page:
"Add Device" / Sensors / Vision 4-in-1 Motion Sensor (ZP3111-5)

Note how the Vision 4-in-1 Motion Sensor looks rather similar to the Zooz 4-in-1 sensor...
Also, the directions say to press the program switch once with the paperclip to begin the pairing process, but the Zooz switch needs to be pressed TWICE with the paperclip.

The new paired device should initially appear as an Off/On type device, and the Temperature, Light, and Humidity Sensors will appear after a bit.

1) Wake up the sensor by clicking the Z-wave button once (NOTE: anytime you see a red status message that Vera is waiting for device to wakeup, you can do this to wake up the device and allow communication to continue)

In the Vera online (browser) interface:
2) Devices > within 10 seconds, turn the sensor switch ON before the device goes back to sleep
3) Devices > select the sensor > Advanced
4) Go to the Params tab and make the following changes:
- device_type: urn:schemas-micasaverde-com:device:MotionSensor:1
- device_file: D_MotionSensor1.xml
- device_json: D_MotionSensor1.json
Click Back, then Save Changes.
Click Back to go to main Device page.

Go to:  Settings / Z-Wave Settings / Advanced /
Click on "Reload Engine"
Go back to Device page

Select the Zooz Motion device, and go back into the configuration pages.
Device Options
Add Configuration Settings
"Add configuration settings" / "Save Changes"
"Back"
(This will simply create a Variables option, which we'll edit next)

"Advanced"
"Variables" tab
Edit the last box "VariablesSet"
Paste this into box (everything inside the quotes, to replace the existing value): 
"1,1d,01,2,1d,30,3,1d,10,4,1d,10,5,1d,3,6,1d,4,7,1d,3"

(See more detailed notes on this below. While these aren't listed on the device literature as needing to be set, I found that my device didn't seem to start functioning as a motion sensor until after I put in values, so I *think* that one or more of these may be required for the device to start functioning as a motion sensor)

Save changes
Go back a page.
If you see red notice "Waiting for wakeup to configure device", then use paperclip to press Z-Wave button once to wakeup device and allow communication with Vera controller.

You should see the following Vera status messages appear at some point:
Setting special configuration
Setting user configuration (this may last a long time)

Go to Settings / Z-Wave Settings / Advanced
Click on "Reload Engine" again for good measure
Go back to Devices

Leave the ZSE-40 immediately next to your Vera controller for a while to allow further configuration.  At some point here, if it?s worked, your Zooz will acquire consciousness and begin detecting motion.   Mine took maybe 10 minutes or so, and began to indicate motion sensor activity (as noted by the little "swimmer" icon on the device logo turning red to indicate motion detection, even when it's disarmed).  Or for better confirmation, you could go back into the device settings, select "Notifications", and set it to notify you if armed and detecting motion.

Optional:
Go back into ZSE-40 settings
Select "Settings" / Wakeup interval: change to a value (in seconds) that the device will update temp, humidity, and light parameters (I picked 1800, for half hour updates). The more often it wakes up, the shorter the battery life will likely be.




EXTRA NOTES DEVICE ON CONFIGURATION SETTINGS

The following info is from the Zooz product literature.  Each "Parameter" they describe below is set in the device under Advanced / Variables, in the "VariablesSet" box.  In the above example (1,1d,01,2,1d,30,3,1d,10,4,1d,10,5,1d,3,6,1d,4,7,1d,3)  the first three numbers are used to set Parameter 1 (i.e. Parameter 1, 1 byte dec, value of 01).  The next three numbers, starting with "2" set Parameter 2.  And so on.   

In my own setup, note that I changed Parameter 2 (temperature change) to a value of 3. My theory is that this will result in fewer device wakeups due to temperature changes, and hopefully a longer battery life).

---------------------------------------

TEMPERATURE SENSOR
Use Parameter 1 (size 1 byte dec) to switch from Celsius (value 0x00) to Fahrenheit (value 0x01) scale.
Use Parameter 2 (size 1 byte dec) to set temperature change to be reported by the sensor. Values from 1 to 50, where 1 stands for 0.1 degree and 50 stands for 5 degrees. Default set to 1 degree (value 10) ? the sensor will report new temperature value to the controller whenever temperature goes 1 degree up or down.

HUMIDITY SENSOR
Reports relative humidity. Use Parameter 3 (size 1 byte dec) to set humidity percentage change to be reported by the sensor. Values from 1 to 50 where 1 stands for 1% and 50 stands for 50%. Default set to 10%

LIGHT SENSOR
Use Parameter 4 (size 1 byte dec) to choose light percent- age change to be reported by the sensor. Values from 5 to 50 where 5 stands for 5% and 50 stands for 50%. Default set to 10%.

MOTION SENSOR
Use Parameter 5 (size 1 byte dec) to set trigger interval the time when motion is reported again after initial trigger. Values from 1 to 255 where 1 stands for 1 minute and 255 stands for 255 minutes. Default set to 3 minutes.
NOTE: Small interval will increase activity and affect battery life.
Use Parameter 6 (size 1 byte dec) to adjust PIR sensor sensitivity (value from 1 to 7). 1 = very high sensitivity. 7 = very low sensitivity. Default set to 4.

LED NOTIFICATIONS
Led indicator will ash every 3 minutes or whenever you press the Z-Wave button to indicate temperature level.
How to read led indicator colors?
Green = under 60F / 
Blue = 60-75F
  / Yellow = 75-83F / 
Purple = 83-97F / 
Red = over 97F / motion detected / tamper switch triggered
Use Parameter 7 (size 1 byte dec) to choose between led indicator modes (value from 1 to 3).
Mode 1 = led indicator is turned off (no visual notifications). Mode 2 = temperature indicated with pulsing light. Motion indicated with flashing light.
  Mode 3 = Temperature and motion indicated with flashing
light. Default set to mode 3.
NOTE: Mode 2 will increase activity and affect battery life.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: AKflyer on February 18, 2018, 04:54:59 pm
And on to the next issue with my Zooz motion sensor   >:(

Although Vera now correctly detects it as a motion sensor, AND it actually detects motion (it will correctly send me a notification if it's armed and detects motion),  neither of the motion sensors appear in the Preset Modes list for configuring My Modes (i.e. Home, Away, Night, Vacation). So I don't have any way to automatically arm them when switching to Away, for example.

Anyone else having this issue or have any ideas how to fix it?

Thanks
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: AKflyer on February 21, 2018, 01:06:45 am
I'll answer my own question above, which Support helped me out with.

The above procedure resulting in a Category setting of 11 (generic device) in the motion sensor settings.

Changing the Category to 4 and Subcategory to 3 solved the problem.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: Sorin on February 21, 2018, 05:06:10 am
This could help as well,

http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Luup_Device_Categories
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rafale77 on March 03, 2018, 06:15:23 pm
This sensor (or maybe the Vera) is a bit of an adventure.
I have a VP and a VE. I have a bunch of monoprice and Zooz versions of this sensor running on my VP.
I was on a business trip and came back to two of my sensors being out of battery. As usual, I go to swap the batteries out, One comes back, the other does not. I am having to remove inclusion and add it back. Well guess what? On the latest firmware on the VP it will get stuck at "exchange secure class keys".
I tried both the Monoprice and the Zooz and they behave the same way.
I go to try the inclusion on my spare VE on the same firmware and... they both include no problem, just needs a few manual configuration but the secure class is not a problem.
So I have a problem with my VP, not sure if it is because I have a lot of devices or if it is a firmware problem (7.0.25)... Same device included fine a year before... Such a pain.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: jchin on April 14, 2018, 11:14:40 am
I finally got mine working!!  Long post, but here's detailed directions on what I did.  Hopefully it works for others, too.

Like many others, I've had problems trying to configure my Zooz ZSE-40 4-in-1 multisensor with my Vera controller (a VeraSecure, in my case).  By the time I'd recognized that it wasn't detecting motion at all, it was too late to return, and as others seemed to be getting it working somehow, it felt like a waste to throw it away.   It's been a frustrating experience, but after many hours of experimentation and false starts, and trying to put together some of the many fragments of information on various forums, I finally got all 4 sensors working, including the elusive motion.  Many thanks to everyone who contributed to posting information on their own efforts.  I've retried this three times and it seems to consistently work, using two Zooz units which didn't detect motion before.

Pair Zooz ZSE40 with VeraSecure.  The critical part of this step is in tricking the controller into pairing it as a Vision 4-in-1 ZP3111-5, which I'm guessing must have hardware similarities to the Zooz.

Pair ZSE40 with Vera initially:
From the "Devices" main page:
"Add Device" / Sensors / Vision 4-in-1 Motion Sensor (ZP3111-5)

Note how the Vision 4-in-1 Motion Sensor looks rather similar to the Zooz 4-in-1 sensor...
Also, the directions say to press the program switch once with the paperclip to begin the pairing process, but the Zooz switch needs to be pressed TWICE with the paperclip.

The new paired device should initially appear as an Off/On type device, and the Temperature, Light, and Humidity Sensors will appear after a bit.

1) Wake up the sensor by clicking the Z-wave button once (NOTE: anytime you see a red status message that Vera is waiting for device to wakeup, you can do this to wake up the device and allow communication to continue)

In the Vera online (browser) interface:
2) Devices > within 10 seconds, turn the sensor switch ON before the device goes back to sleep
3) Devices > select the sensor > Advanced
4) Go to the Params tab and make the following changes:
- device_type: urn:schemas-micasaverde-com:device:MotionSensor:1
- device_file: D_MotionSensor1.xml
- device_json: D_MotionSensor1.json
Click Back, then Save Changes.
Click Back to go to main Device page.

Go to:  Settings / Z-Wave Settings / Advanced /
Click on "Reload Engine"
Go back to Device page

Select the Zooz Motion device, and go back into the configuration pages.
Device Options
Add Configuration Settings
"Add configuration settings" / "Save Changes"
"Back"
(This will simply create a Variables option, which we'll edit next)

"Advanced"
"Variables" tab
Edit the last box "VariablesSet"
Paste this into box (everything inside the quotes, to replace the existing value): 
"1,1d,01,2,1d,30,3,1d,10,4,1d,10,5,1d,3,6,1d,4,7,1d,3"

(See more detailed notes on this below. While these aren't listed on the device literature as needing to be set, I found that my device didn't seem to start functioning as a motion sensor until after I put in values, so I *think* that one or more of these may be required for the device to start functioning as a motion sensor)

Save changes
Go back a page.
If you see red notice "Waiting for wakeup to configure device", then use paperclip to press Z-Wave button once to wakeup device and allow communication with Vera controller.

You should see the following Vera status messages appear at some point:
Setting special configuration
Setting user configuration (this may last a long time)

Go to Settings / Z-Wave Settings / Advanced
Click on "Reload Engine" again for good measure
Go back to Devices

Leave the ZSE-40 immediately next to your Vera controller for a while to allow further configuration.  At some point here, if it?s worked, your Zooz will acquire consciousness and begin detecting motion.   Mine took maybe 10 minutes or so, and began to indicate motion sensor activity (as noted by the little "swimmer" icon on the device logo turning red to indicate motion detection, even when it's disarmed).  Or for better confirmation, you could go back into the device settings, select "Notifications", and set it to notify you if armed and detecting motion.

Optional:
Go back into ZSE-40 settings
Select "Settings" / Wakeup interval: change to a value (in seconds) that the device will update temp, humidity, and light parameters (I picked 1800, for half hour updates). The more often it wakes up, the shorter the battery life will likely be.




EXTRA NOTES DEVICE ON CONFIGURATION SETTINGS

The following info is from the Zooz product literature.  Each "Parameter" they describe below is set in the device under Advanced / Variables, in the "VariablesSet" box.  In the above example (1,1d,01,2,1d,30,3,1d,10,4,1d,10,5,1d,3,6,1d,4,7,1d,3)  the first three numbers are used to set Parameter 1 (i.e. Parameter 1, 1 byte dec, value of 01).  The next three numbers, starting with "2" set Parameter 2.  And so on.   

In my own setup, note that I changed Parameter 2 (temperature change) to a value of 3. My theory is that this will result in fewer device wakeups due to temperature changes, and hopefully a longer battery life).

---------------------------------------

TEMPERATURE SENSOR
Use Parameter 1 (size 1 byte dec) to switch from Celsius (value 0x00) to Fahrenheit (value 0x01) scale.
Use Parameter 2 (size 1 byte dec) to set temperature change to be reported by the sensor. Values from 1 to 50, where 1 stands for 0.1 degree and 50 stands for 5 degrees. Default set to 1 degree (value 10) ? the sensor will report new temperature value to the controller whenever temperature goes 1 degree up or down.

HUMIDITY SENSOR
Reports relative humidity. Use Parameter 3 (size 1 byte dec) to set humidity percentage change to be reported by the sensor. Values from 1 to 50 where 1 stands for 1% and 50 stands for 50%. Default set to 10%

LIGHT SENSOR
Use Parameter 4 (size 1 byte dec) to choose light percent- age change to be reported by the sensor. Values from 5 to 50 where 5 stands for 5% and 50 stands for 50%. Default set to 10%.

MOTION SENSOR
Use Parameter 5 (size 1 byte dec) to set trigger interval the time when motion is reported again after initial trigger. Values from 1 to 255 where 1 stands for 1 minute and 255 stands for 255 minutes. Default set to 3 minutes.
NOTE: Small interval will increase activity and affect battery life.
Use Parameter 6 (size 1 byte dec) to adjust PIR sensor sensitivity (value from 1 to 7). 1 = very high sensitivity. 7 = very low sensitivity. Default set to 4.

LED NOTIFICATIONS
Led indicator will ash every 3 minutes or whenever you press the Z-Wave button to indicate temperature level.
How to read led indicator colors?
Green = under 60F / 
Blue = 60-75F
  / Yellow = 75-83F / 
Purple = 83-97F / 
Red = over 97F / motion detected / tamper switch triggered
Use Parameter 7 (size 1 byte dec) to choose between led indicator modes (value from 1 to 3).
Mode 1 = led indicator is turned off (no visual notifications). Mode 2 = temperature indicated with pulsing light. Motion indicated with flashing light.
  Mode 3 = Temperature and motion indicated with flashing
light. Default set to mode 3.
NOTE: Mode 2 will increase activity and affect battery life.

Tried this with 4 different Monoprice (same as Zooz) 4-in-1 motion sensor ... NOT WORKING.
The temp, lux and humidity work and respond but the motion does not.  And the device continues to report as "not detected".

Meanwhile, the other 3 (identical make/model units) that were paired with Vera 6 months ago work and continue to work perfectly fine.

Also noticed that (in step 4) when I go to change the device_file and device_json, those settings are reset to the Vera files after I press the switch on the sensor with a paperclip, once.  Anyway of preventing that from happening?

I've spent 3 months trying to get this one new 4-in-1 sensor to work.  I've even had Monoprice replace the sensor 3 times.
Please help shed some light on this.
Thanks.

Forgot to mention ... I am running firmware 1.7.3500 now.  Do not remember what firmware was back in November when I paired the other two identical sensors.


Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rafale77 on April 14, 2018, 02:00:53 pm
Quote
Also noticed that (in step 4) when I go to change the device_file and device_json, those settings are reset to the Vera files after I press the switch on the sensor with a paperclip, once.  Anyway of preventing that from happening?
No way to avoid this. The vera reconfigures when you push the wake button I think. Why do you have to push it? Because the device is shown as not detected?

Quote
Forgot to mention ... I am running firmware 1.7.3500 now.  Do not remember what firmware was back in November when I paired the other two identical sensors.

I am suspecting a firmware problem too. I had no problem including a while ago.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: jchin on April 14, 2018, 04:41:29 pm
Quote
Also noticed that (in step 4) when I go to change the device_file and device_json, those settings are reset to the Vera files after I press the switch on the sensor with a paperclip, once.  Anyway of preventing that from happening?
No way to avoid this. The vera reconfigures when you push the wake button I think. Why do you have to push it? Because the device is shown as not detected?

The instructions tells you to wake the device with a paperclip push of the button, after everything is configured.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rafale77 on April 16, 2018, 03:16:55 am
For whatever it's worth, I managed to readopt one out of 2 sensors after downgrading to 7.0.20. Both had the same problem and I managed to get the one which used to work back up and running. The other one though is still out of luck. I get the impression after trying to pair these devices 2 dozen times each that the vera is too slow to move to get the security token and misses it most of the time. It is shear luck when it just happen to move to expecting the token. My setup has gotten larger and larger over time and I can sense the vera getting much slower. Unloading plugins and automations to other systems has helped but I think more work is to gradually use the vera as just a remote zwave and zigbee bridge.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: jchin on April 20, 2018, 11:52:54 am
GOT IT WORKING.

1.  contacted Vera Support and enabled remote Customer Service access
2.  they checked a few things; I woke the device with paperclip, replaced batteries, etc. ... no luck
3.  a few days went by
4.  support requested then asked me to un-pair the device and re-pair it ...
- so I un-paired the sensor
- waited about 2 minutes
- re-pair the sensor BUT this time, instead of selecting Vision ZP3111-5, I selected "Generic Z-Wave device" (this might be the key to fixing it)
- it paired to the controller (and I left it at default settings, no added attributes or sensitivity changes)
- waited about 2 minutes and the 4 sensors all showed up ... motion was still not detecting
- enabled notifications for motion just for the kicks of it
- waited another few minutes (maybe 15 minutes) ... and suddenly I got a motion notification from it

Do not have a clue what is different ... other than selecting "Generic Z-Wave device".

After an hour of it not showing any errors and staying connected, I went ahead and added back the seven attributes to the sensor:
1 - monitor only
2 - monitor only
3 - monitor only
4 - 1 byte HEX - value 5
5 - 1 byte HEX - value 1
6 - 1 byte HEX - value 4
7 - monitor only
(I did all 7 just to cover my base, in case I want to change something in the future)

I also changed the WakeUp Interval to 7200 seconds
with a Poll Interval of 1080 seconds (since I was told this number has to be less than WakeUp for changes to be sent to the sensor during its wakeup window),
all in hopes to save some battery life.

Poked the pinhole with a paperclip to wake the sensor up to get the new changes.
All went well.
NOTE: sensor was about 3 feet from the controller the entire time.

So far so good ... 2 hours later still working.
And my fingers are crossed that this Monoprice 4-in-1 sensor will continue to work like the previous ones I've installed.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rafale77 on April 21, 2018, 12:17:48 pm
@jchin

I think it is like me: pure luck. It has nothing to do with including as a generic device, at least not for me since it is what I have been doing from day 1. The timing and sequencing of what the vera does vary a lot and is one of the source of many issues on the vera platform.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: XA44Owq26HxCq88 on May 02, 2018, 12:52:40 am
Got mine in the mail today. I was hoping it was going to be an easy setup, just like the one I've had operating for a year.

But this one is Version 2, just one battery, not two triple As.

I've run into the same roadblock as everyone else, installed under a generic z wave device, got three sensors (temp, lux and humidity) and one on/off device. I tried all the solutions presented here and have had no luck. Either I can change the device to a motion sensor and lose the other three and have a non-functioning motion sensor to boot, or just forget about the motion sensor.

Anyone have any other suggestions??? I've contacted Zoos at their ask@getzooz.com. I'll give them a day to respond, but as of now, I think it's going back. It shouldn't be this hard!
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rafale77 on May 02, 2018, 02:07:32 am
Didn?t know there was a v2. One AAA batterie? I wonder how long it will last.

What firmware are you running? You may want to test with the beta 7.0.26b as it has a new zwave firmware. From what I am observing, I suspect it could help as it is related to the pairing process going out of sync due to vera being too slow.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: XA44Owq26HxCq88 on May 02, 2018, 07:58:19 am
The battery is a CR123 now.

My firmware is version 1.7.3532

This morning, I had to wake the unit up manually to get the temp/humid/lux values. They look exactly the same as what I was getting last night. Makes me wonder if this unit is defective or just not ready for prime time.

Seems odd that I have to manually wake the unit up with the paper clip in order to turn the unit "on" via my desktop.

BTW, still no motion detector on the unit.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: jchin on May 03, 2018, 10:12:36 pm
I would suggest contact Vera support.
Maybe there is something wrong and when they remote in, they can fix it in the settings (that are hidden from the web interface).
Just a guess because mine worked after contacting them, resetting the device and doing my steps (post above). 
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: XA44Owq26HxCq88 on May 07, 2018, 05:18:26 pm
Spent an hour on the phone with Vera. The tech couldn't figure it out. Suggested that I wait for the Official Integration, but couldn't tell me when that might happen. The tech from ZOOZ blamed the problem on Vera. So,,, it's going back. I love a problem as much as the next person, but when it gets to the manufacturer blaming Vera and Vera not being able to get the unit to work properly, it's time to jump ship. Back to Amazon it goes. I'll try the Aeotec Multisensor 6
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: XA44Owq26HxCq88 on May 08, 2018, 06:04:32 pm
Just an update, heard from the tech at ZOOZ. (They have been very responsive to my issues BTW.)
They've tested a new unit and found it to be operating correctly. They have sent it to me. I'll keep everyone posted about what happens.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rafale77 on May 10, 2018, 04:52:01 pm
I am ready to bet that part of the problem is that they tested it on a vera with very few device and that your problem is because you have a real life system with more than 1 zwave device. The vera then goes nuts and somehow can't keep up with the signals from the sensors. It is very likely a vera problem.

I am increasingly observing signal misses with the latest beta firmware... The sensors don't always untrip as expected and they occasionally trip for no reason.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: XA44Owq26HxCq88 on May 11, 2018, 12:04:26 am
rafale77 -
So you think that VeraPlus is unable to handle multiple zwave devices? Or is it a combination of this specific device and a reasonable setup? Or large numbers of sensors. I've got about 30 actual hardware devices and a few virtual devices (Weather underground, etc). Some of the hardware devices have "child" devices. My vera devices number designations are now at 104, but a lot of the number designations no longer exist (removed devices, etc. This attempt to add this unit multiple times added about 20 designations alone.)

Got the new "tested" unit today. Will report on my success (hopefully) or failure.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rafale77 on May 11, 2018, 01:39:41 am
@XA44Owq26HxCq88

Wish you good luck with the sensor. I am very afraid though that it is indeed the number of device which plays a major factor. As you can see in my sig, I have 130 zwave nodes on my Vera Plus. At 50 I started having problems and as the system grows reliability just get worse and worse. These same sensors I had no problem pairing 2 years ago now are a royal pain. I spent many hours testing and a few more with CS on the phone trying to resolve this. At the end I managed to add back this 4 in 1 sensor to my system apparently out of sheer luck and after 50 tries... My device number is out in the 600s. Based on how fast it exchanged security keys on the one time I was successful, I concluded that the vera is just too slow during the pairing process and missed the key.
I later installed the beta 26 firmware with the new 6.x zwave SDK which is supposed to improve handling of large systems. These days, I am getting a rash (at least once a day) of missed untrip signals, false positive trip signals from security class devices. All other devices seem to work ok except for a single event of complete freeze of the zwave interface a few days ago. I just keep sensing that the vera can't keep up with the two (zwave and zigbee) radios on my "large" system. I am also geting occasional "device offline" "Can't detect" messages due to the vera missing the polling response from the device. I am well on my way to obsoleting it now which I will do gradually...
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: XA44Owq26HxCq88 on May 12, 2018, 12:09:02 pm
An update on my progress -

Got the unit installed, physically next to the old unit, so I can compare the two (there's a third motion detector nearby that I use as a base line for motion)

Surprisingly, it installed into Vera while in it's ultimate position, not within 10 feet of the VeraPlus unit as I would normally do. I did this as an experiment, just to see. So, despite being 2 zwave units (links) away in the mesh, Vera recognized and installed it as a generic Zwave unit. I went through the (elsewhere in this discussion chain) described changes in the file, xml, json files, corrected the type numbers (4&3) and the VariablesSet values.

It changed to a motion detector and responded correctly. BUT, I had no "child" units (temp, humid, lux). There was a warning label on the device stating that it could not determine the manufacturer. (the manufacture variable was blank)

I let it sit overnight and in the morning the child units appeared. Don't know when. Also, the  manufacturer variable was now filled.

It reported motion, temp, etc. The old unit also reported motion, temp, etc. Tracking both units over the day, the old unit stopped reporting for about 5 hours, and then began reporting again. The new unit continued reporting each time I checked.

This morning, both units are reporting. When I say reporting, I mean that their temp, etc. values have changed from the previous reporting. I don't know about the accuracy of those reports, just that they had changed in the interval. The temps are different from one another even though they are next to one another. Sometimes by as much as 6 degrees, sometimes within a degree.

They do seem to trigger motion detection more frequently than the base line unit, not sure why that is, but I can work with that, maybe adjust the sensitivity.

And, BTW, both are displaying a warning notice "Waiting for wakeup to configure device..."

Does anyone know how I could log the temperatures to a file over time, without having to access the system and write down the numbers? I'd be able to monitor the units performance over time with a much more granular data set.

I am hopeful....
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rafale77 on May 12, 2018, 12:23:37 pm
This is kind of a funny thought but when I think about it, the one time I succesfully re-included my device, I was the furthest away from the vera. It is possible that the several hops actually added latency to the zwave network and allowed more time for the vera to be ready to accept the security key...

You could push the wake button with a pin again to see if it gets rid of the "waiting for device to wakeup to configure".  This generally is because the vera did not receive a response from its poll. Also likely because the vera is too slow/busy and missed the response the zwave chip transmitted.

There is a number of solutions to logging your variables. emoncm, datayours, ALTUI timeline etc...
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: XA44Owq26HxCq88 on May 12, 2018, 02:18:00 pm
rafale77, thanks for the tip about the data logging. I'll look into that option. The warning notice under the device appears to not impact the unit, at least once it's set up, so I'm going to ignore it for now.

New Unit still reporting updates. The old one is stuck since 7 this morning. I'm getting the box ready for it to be returned on Monday.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rafale77 on June 06, 2018, 01:37:03 am
New discovery on this sensor and the vision ZP3111 which is the OEM:
Whenever the sensor sends a signal that the battery level has changed, the vera trips the device and causes a false alarm. Since the zwave sensor itself never tripper, it also never untrips unless one goes and really trips the sensor and causes it to then send an untrip signal. This is a vera bug...
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: jchin on July 01, 2018, 11:20:45 am
New discovery on this sensor and the vision ZP3111 which is the OEM:
Whenever the sensor sends a signal that the battery level has changed, the vera trips the device and causes a false alarm. Since the zwave sensor itself never tripper, it also never untrips unless one goes and really trips the sensor and causes it to then send an untrip signal. This is a vera bug...

That explains why my sensors are showing tripped for no reason at all ... well now I have to see if the battery level changed.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rafale77 on July 03, 2018, 12:46:16 pm
I would remove the ZP3111-5 from the list of compatible devices at least for the Vera Plus.

I have a dozen of them and have run some tests on the behavior of this device. Please do not ask me to contact CC. I already have and they were totally helpless and I have spent countless hours on the phone and through emails. There is a combination of newer firmware updates issues with handling of the secure class devices being broken and the fact that I have a large network.

1. I am experiencing inconsistant miss of tripped/untripped signals from all of my motion sensors but the Vision ZP3111-5 seems to be a little worse
2. I am seeing ghost trips from a number of them which I correlated to a status update to the battery level.
3. Once the sensor goes out of battery, It will show as not detected as one would expect. If the battery is replaced, the vera will miss the wake event from the sensor 80% of the time. I would have to go through a number of forced wake before it sees it but then the sensor would not be functional: It will detect motion but it seems like the vera will miss the secure signal. No attempt to reconfigure the device will work. I suspect this is due to the secure key exchange below and somewhat related to the disaster Tillsy has seen with the secure device handling.
4. With the latest firmware on the vera plus, as I have reported it a number of times now, adding a new one of these device will generally fail at the secure key exchange step. About 1 of 20 attempts succeeds. It appears that the sensor is too fast an attempts to exchange secure keys during the pairing process but the vera is too slow to receive and respond. It will therefore switch to a non secure pairing. By the time the vera is ready to exchange the secure keys the sensor has already switched mode. The result is a sensor which works but has the vera showing a message that it is waiting for the secure key and permanently shown as failed.
5. Thinking that I have lost secure class keys I decided to attempt recovery from backups. Ohh what a surprise to discover that on 7.0.26, each nightly heal causes changes to the network which prevents full recovery from backups. When I recover from a backup from one nightly heal prior a large number of my devices would no longer work. This include simple on/off switches. I always need to recover from the latest backup.

So at the end I am left with 6 devices showing as unable to detect by the vera although they work and 2 devices which do not work in spite of not showing any issues. All of these problems happened once they ran out of battery and I had to change the battery on them. The ones which show as having an error, I attempted to either reconfigure or pair/unpair. The ones which do not show an error but do not work, I only changed the battery and forced them to wake numerous times.

I also have Aeon 4-1 sensors and though they have been working decently for a number of years, upon one of the spontaneous luup reloads, one of them started forcing the creation of a smoke sensor child device which I could not delete until I reconfigured the sensor.

Overall the vera is a disaster for secure class devices.

Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: ec.auction on July 04, 2018, 07:23:54 pm
I have similar issue with this 4-1in-1 Sensor and Schlage boltlock that will not pair with veraplus.
I am in the process of downgrading back to VeraLite that seems to be more stable.

by the way, both sensor and lock are ok with SmartThings hub.

Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rge on July 30, 2018, 06:14:12 pm
I have similar issues - mine is a "Cyrus" 4-in-1 but it looks identical and is recognised as the Vision 4-in-1 sensor.

I've had one installed for 2 years with no problems, so I conclude MCV messed up something in the integration during one of their "upgrades". My setup is small - 10 or so real devices, 30 including all the virtual ones.

I notice in dataMine that the older sensor has multiple items under urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:SecuritySensor1, including the necessary Tripped value. The new one doesn't have anything useful, just "Armed".

I even tried hacking the user_data.json to make the config for the new device the same as the old one - which added the services (according to dataMine), but they still didn't respond.

The device support in Vera has always been pretty random, in hindsight had I known I would have bought a more stable alternative, but to actually break existing comptaibility is just a joke.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rafale77 on August 04, 2018, 11:58:29 am
Been playing with a dual zwave controller setup and finally got it to work. I extracted the secure key from the vera and copied it over to openzwave with a HUBZBZ and then ported the setup to homeassistant. Included the sensor into my network securely with homeassistant which is my SUC/SIS primary (vera has become the secondary) and then did a get network info from SUC/SIS and and luup reload. Forced a configuration of the device and it is now all working! The vera reconfigured the device and flushed all the association and made it all report to itself. The inclusion process for this sensor is broken at the secure class key exchange...
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rge on August 04, 2018, 02:33:32 pm
Thanks for the info - I'm not sure about your last statement, are you saying the device has a buggy key exchange implementation or Vera does?

Sounds like Home Assistant is better than Vera, at least on this device, what is your overall experience?  Why keep the Vera as well?
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rafale77 on August 04, 2018, 04:27:15 pm
Thanks for the info - I'm not sure about your last statement, are you saying the device has a buggy key exchange implementation or Vera does?

Sounds like Home Assistant is better than Vera, at least on this device, what is your overall experience?  Why keep the Vera as well?

It is very clearly a vera issue and it isn't the only device which has been finicky with the vera. I still have all of my automation on openLuup and use the vera only as a device bridge. The Verabridge and familiarity with openLuup is the main reason I am keeping it for now although adding homeassistant is a first move towards migration. The positive is that I learned probably more about zwave network and openwrt than I would ever have had it not have any problems...

About Homeassistant, I am still learning about it. It definitely takes a lot more work to setup and the device support is still under development. I had to rebuild the openzwave portion and move it to 1.5 in order to make it support my locks and garage doors. It tries to cover so much that it is actually very slow evolving for any single topic. I found it better suited to be an API bridge for now.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rge on August 21, 2018, 10:34:50 am
I gave up on Vera, now I'm migrating to HomeSeer, currently running a trial with it on a Raspberry Pi with RaZberry card.

Seems really solid, fully supports all the (small number of) devices I have - it quite happily handles both of the 4-in-1 sensors and doesn't need a hack for the Fibaro dual switches.

The biggest out-of-the-box lack is dataMine - there's a history plugin but it's not great.  However, there's easy instructions on the forums for logging to Influx and using Grafana which is are incredibly flexible and powerful and happily run on the Pi as well.

The UI is basically about as bad as UI7 - it's ten years out-of-date, but at least it doesn't have 50%+ whitespace...  ahe standard HSTouch phone app is shocking, but then the free HSBuddy is perfect.

And it has zero connectivity to any external site if you don't want/need it, unlike the annoying Vera login requirements for some pages.
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rafale77 on November 09, 2018, 11:53:27 am
Some observation on these sensors.

As previously reported, they are as painful as can be to configure on the vera plus as the secure key exchange and the overal communication takes a lot of trials to execute in big part because of the vera somehow missing communications back from the sensor during the inclusion and configuration process, I suspect because it is too busy trying to do deal with the additional 3 sensors and saving them to the user-data.json. Since mine is fairly big with over 100 devices, and the luup reloads are out of control, it tends to get corrupted.

1. There is a trick to not restart a new inclusion or configuration process when one fails. Instead repeatedly cycling between waking the sensor and forcing a luup reload eventually finishes the configuration. It can take up to 20 cycles. I generally got there in 5 or 6. I first securely include the device in my zwave network with home assistant to be sure it is properly included with a secure key as the vera switches between secure and non secure inclusion without user?s knowledge. (I had a couple included non-securely)

2. I had a couple of devices having ghost intermittent presence detections. After my last reinclusion, they all disappeared. I am left with only which I have never reincluded. I am no longer suspecting the previous devices to be defective. Instead it is some data corruption on the vera misunderstanding a battery level change or some other wake event from the sensor for a motion event. The proof is that the exact same sensor which had issues before, no longer have any on the same network and same vera. It reminds me that I retired a couple of older vision 2 in 1 sensors some years ago having the same problem suspecting that they were defective and they may just have been corrupted vera database or zwave chip data.

3. The vera auto configuration fails in absurd ways repeatedly trying to create child devices, which, having no name automatically get deleted on the next luup reloads which is triggered by who knows what and creating new ones and repeating the cycle again, running up device numbers all with inexplicable and unneeded automatic luup reloads in between which I am certain are eventually causing data corruption on the entire system. ALTUI is very helpful in that respect allowing you to name the devices in between luup reloads to prevent them from getting deleted and break the cycle.

4. Another problem I reported in another thread is the device showing up as ?cannot detected?. I have investigated and concluded that the device must be somehow tagged by the zwave radio chip as bad as part of its list and the vera just reports this info. I have observed the tag to come back every 9-10min as I used a command on the vera to untag it from the UI when the wake up interval is 30min and the polling frequency is an hour. It made no sense to me. All 4 functions of the sensor yet still work perfectly. It just keeps coming back as ?cannot detect?. Eventually I was forced to unpair and re-add (painfully) the device to the network. This same device has now been working perfectly for over a month. This was started after the device ran out of battery...
Title: Re: Zooz ZSE40 4-in-1 Sensor
Post by: rafale77 on January 13, 2019, 02:10:03 am
Another one ran out of battery today and I had the same problem after changing out the battery: Sensor works perfectly but kept coming back every 5-10min as "can't detect device" and roughly 2hrs after a luup reload or a device wake up. I had to come back to this thread and now I can definitely confirm that the data saying the device has a problem is from the zwave dongle chip. I started a reconfiguration of the device which somehow succeeded immediately and then recovered from a 5min old backup which preceded this reconfiguration to avoid having reconfigure and play with the child devices. The user-data.json being the same (I checked all the device parameters and variables) the device stopped showing as "can't detect". If it is not the user data on the vera or the device configuration, since it remained the same, it has to come from the zwave chip... My other controller (home assistant) does not have this problem. This is a vera firmware bug.