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Title: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on July 23, 2016, 08:07:17 am
So I'm getting close to making the leap. I've read through the "official" Vera document on moving from Vera3 UI5 to VeraPlus UI7 and Richard Shaefer's tome on making the move. I'm inclined to the "official" version as it SEEMS to make life as easy as it will be. I've read through most of the posts on the forum, both the success and the horror stories. I've copied out any Startup LUA in the APP section and in the PLEGs so I guess I'm about ready.

Just a few niggling little areas of concern.

* Richard mentioned he had Leviton devices where all of my wall switched and outlets are GE/Jasco. Are they going to come over without a lot of hassle?

* I have a number of Aeon relay switches and MonoPrice single and dual relay switches installed in hard to reach outside boxes for security lights and  camera power. Anyone have any experience with these and the transition?

* I have a number of PLEGs running on the two Veras.
** What happens to the licenses on these ... as I recall they are tied to the unit serial number which means the minute they move they stop working?
** Do the PLEGS come over clean with all the correct device names, ids, references and logic in tact? Or am I faced with a massive editing job?

* The two Veras talk to each other using HTTP to do things such as set MultiSwitches in the other unit to pass control and status information to each other. I'm confident the HTTP command system will continue to work but will the device numbers and references remain the same or am I going to have to edit every one of them? Similarly status is passed from my Blue Iris system to one of the Vera using HTTP commands so if the device numbers and references do not remain they will have to be edited in Blue Iris as well?

Both Vera 3 units have the external antenna mod. I have one ZWave sensor installed in the curbside mailbox about 75 feet from the Vera 3 which currently works fine but without an external antenna will the VeraPlus  see this guy?

I set up one Vera Plus with temporary installations of the various plugins so I could play with the configuration controls and make sure they all initialized. So far that appears to have worked properly and everything at least installed and started up without complaints.

Thanks for any info on these questions, I really appreciate your input.

John



Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: BOFH on July 23, 2016, 08:29:43 am
I'm in a similar situation. 2 Vera 3's but going to a Plus and an Edge.

The http call setup works just fine between the Plus and the Edge (actually between the Plus/Edge and the Vera 3's as well) however, unless you to a backup on the 3 and restore to the Plus, your device numbers will change forcing update on all http calls. If you want to go the 'clean' way by unpairing a device from the Vera 3 and then pair it to the Plus chances are very large it will receive a different device ID.

I'm noticing the z-wave antenna on the Plus being stronger than the default one on my Vera 3. It's able to pick up a MonoPrice PIR sensor in the master bedroom without any relays in between and does so reliably and consistently. From what RTS posted a while back, the antenna mod is a no go on the Plus as it uses a different internal antenna than the Vera 3.

I can't comment on PLEG as I don't use it but posts do indicate you'll have to get a new license.

I'll be following this thread closely.
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on July 23, 2016, 11:13:48 pm
Thanks.

The backup/restore is part of the Vera document so that sounds good. I'm a bit surprised that the backup/restore will work from UI5 => UI7, I thought there were a number of internal changes that required the source to be on UI7 as well. But the Vera document is specific to UI5 =UI7 so maybe my concerns are overblown.

Thanks again for your input..

UPDATE
In reading through the docs again  its clear the source controller must be on UI7 so I guess I misread it. Sorry


Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on July 24, 2016, 11:57:25 am
There is a Vera 3 UI5 -> Vera Edge UI7 direct upgrade procedure on the Vera site.
http://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/1840699-to-veraedge-from-ui5-on-veralite-vera-2-or-vera-3

Is the Vera Plus sufficiently different than Vera Edge that this procedure will not work for Vera 3 UI5 -> Vera Plus UI7?
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on July 24, 2016, 01:58:45 pm
In reading further it appears the device names do not get transferred over for non-Leviton devices where the names are stored in the device. So everything comes over as _Dimmer, _Switch, etc. rather than "Hallway Light Switch" and so on. Is this actually  correct?
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on July 24, 2016, 02:09:44 pm
I would NOT transfer the Z-Wave network from a Vera 3 to a Vera Plus.

I have had weird things continuously happen.
It seems that people that are happy with there Vera PLUS start from scratch!
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on July 24, 2016, 02:25:58 pm
Like you I have a large number of devices in difficult to access locations. So besides getting out the ladder and screwdriver is there another solution?
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on July 24, 2016, 02:37:33 pm
I tried an experiment, I took a backup of one of the Vera 3 UI5 units and restored it as is to a Vera Plus UI7. I did not transfer the ZWave network, I just wanted to see if the backup/restore process brought over everything, device names, rooms, etc., despite the fact that the units are on different UI versions.

The transfer appears to have been completely successful. As expected the PLEGs failed as the licenses are tagged to the old serial number and all the logic contained in them failed because there were no actual ZWave devices present. Things such as iPhone Locator that are not physical device dependent worked immediately. The DSC alarm interface failed as expected because I did not enter the IP address of the DSC panel
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: bwillette on July 24, 2016, 07:16:35 pm
Just wanted to thank you for taking the time to ask these questions, and report on experimentation, as I'll soon be joining you in making this transition, and am eager to hear what you find.
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on July 24, 2016, 07:26:00 pm
Well I'm probably going to do one Monday so we shall see :)
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: BOFH on July 24, 2016, 10:12:57 pm
Sending positive vibes down the State for a succesfull conclusion. :-)
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on July 25, 2016, 11:51:21 am
So much for "positive vibes" :)

I tried making the transfer by first converting one of the existing Vera 3 from UI5 -> UI7. I entered the firmware url:

http://download.mios.com/rt3662_betafirmware/rt3662_Luup_ui7-1.7.2044-en-mios.squashfs

for the current release, running on my Vera Plus. But the simply download fails consistently.

Stuck again, contacting support :)
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: BOFH on July 25, 2016, 02:15:02 pm
My Vera 3 is on the latest Ui7 and it is version 1.7.830. Are you trying to install a Vera Plus/Edge firmware by any chance as my VeraPlus is on 1.7.2044. As teh Plus and Edge have the ZWavePlus chipset, the firmware is not compatible with the Vera 3 and Lite. (and vice versa)


Check the firmware download thread below. Then upgrade to the most current Ui7 its has for the Vera3 / veralite.
You can then let the unit upgrade itself the the current Ui7 firmware.

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,32278.0.html
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on July 25, 2016, 05:05:50 pm
Ah, that's possible. I copied the link from the Vera support site but I may have copied the wrong one. its 5PM now so I think I'll wait until Tuesday morning now so I have all day to suffer through the consequences of the "upgrade" :)
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on July 25, 2016, 05:37:30 pm
This document

http://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/1840699-to-veraedge-from-ui5-on-veralite-vera-2-or-vera-3

describes the upgrade directly from Vera 3 UI5 to Vera EDGE UI7.

I thought that Vera EDGE and Vera PLUS both supported ZWave+ so what's different that this procedure won't work for Vera 3 UI5 to Vera PLUS UI7?

Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: integlikewhoa on July 25, 2016, 05:44:21 pm
I would NOT transfer the Z-Wave network from a Vera 3 to a Vera Plus.

I have had weird things continuously happen.
It seems that people that are happy with there Vera PLUS start from scratch!

Where did you find those two people?  ;D

Joking aside when I went from Lite to Edge (ui5 to ui7, z-wave to z-wave plus) I also ended up starting over. I would recommend the same.

It was also like a house cleaning for me with plugins and everything. Didn't want any back-end files that were unused to get in the way. 
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on July 25, 2016, 06:23:20 pm
I first did Vera3 Z-Wave config with a controller shift to Vera Plus and renamed/recreated all of my automation.
This only saved me the actual exclude/include task for each Z-Wave device.

Instant status never worked properly.
After I tried to add/remove some devices to the Z-Wave configuration I kept getting the Z-Wave network hosed ...
Last week it rebooted every 15 minutes with errors about the Z-Wave not starting up ..

So I started from a Factor Reset and a new Z-Wave network. Re-included all of my devices and re-entered all of my automation.  I have all of my day to day stuff done ... No unexplained reboots and NO problems found ...
I still have about 25 Z-Wave devices for lights in my Shop to do .... I moved those Z-Wave devices over to my Vera 3 for now. But it's pretty simple automation for those lights. (A grid of 6x4 lights)

I had a couple of Z-Wave plugs in a metal electrical box ... It worked with Vera 3 and Antennae but the signal is two week for the Vera Plus ... There just hanging outside the box until I replace it with a plastic box ... it's in an equipment room so there is no immediate need to fix this.

I have not heard of a single person that started with Z-Wave configuration on another device that is happy with it moved over to a Vera Plus (Via Z-Wave controller shift as MCV recommends)

Those that have re-included them directly on the Vera Plus are more likely to be happy.



 
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on July 25, 2016, 07:53:52 pm
Disappointing to say the least. It's unfortunate that Vera doesn't care enough to make sure that the process is seamless.
The Vera 3 I'm planning to convert first doesn't have too many devices and all of them are readily accessible so manually reinstalling won't be a major problem. But the big problem I'm still having  Is stability and response time on the primary Vera with almost all the devices on it, some of which are Aeon and Monoprice relays installed in outdoor boxes for security lights and Wi-Fi camera power control, and other difficult to access devices.

Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on July 26, 2016, 09:33:15 am
Good news, I guess

The direct transfer Vera 3 UI5 to Vera Edge UI7 procedure works on the Vera Plus as one might expect. The previous attempt failed apparently because the two controllers were not close enough to each other. The doc specifies 2 feet so apparently the transfer occurs through mind control or something :)

I transferred my Vera 3 UI5 to the Vera Plus UI7 and everything appears in tact with the exception of the PLEGs AND VERA ALERTS.

VERA ALERTS - apparently installed but does not show up anywhere on the DEVICE panel except in LIST mode, its assigned to a "ROOM" called "2Z Applications" but it does not show up and nothing I've done so far has revealed it. The USERS and PROFILES are present but none of the USERS are assigned in SETTINGS and NONE of the NOTIFICATION CONFIGURATIONS came over. The "ADVANCED" and "REGISTER" tabs are missing so I can't even purchase a new license for it.

PLEGS:
* I purchased a new license but I can't get it to accept the license data.
* NONE of the DEVICE TRIGGERS are present
* NONE of the CONDITIONAL LOGIC is present
* ACTION and NOTIFICATIONS are present but not none of the NOTIFICATIONS are assigned to any users because they apparently didn't get transferred either.

ZWAVE:
* The few actual ZWave devices came over intact and are fully controllable and reporting .

If I could get the PLEGS to activate perhaps I could find out it the TRIGGERS and CONDITIONS are actually still there or if I'm going to have to rebuild everything.

Interestingly the things that were supposed to transfer fine didn't and the things that were supposed to be a problem, the ZWave, wasn't. The GetVera.com stuff I expected to e a problem turned out fine whereas Richard's stuff that I expected to come over fine didn't.

The upside is that checking the Memory and CPU usage the Vera Plus has reduced it drastically.
Code: [Select]
                 MEM      CPU
Vera 3           95%     2-14%
Plus             54%     1-2%

If the problems thus far are a harbinger of the main Vera transfer I may need a few weeks and an other case or two of wine to get everything running again. I have 80 ZWave DEVICES, six PLEGs and LOTS AND LOTS of logic in them, VeraAlerts,  and if I have to rebuild it it will take days.

[UPDATE 2]
VeraAlerts suddenly decided to show up when I accessed the VeraPlus via direct IP rather than through the GetVera gateway. However it still does not have ADVANCED or REGISTER tabs, the NOTIFICATIONS are gone and I am unable to assign USERS to PROFILES, tye selections don't stick.

[UPDATE 3]
 I had forgotten to update to the current UI7 version of Richards PLEG and AverAlerts Plugins. Once I did that I got the VeraAlerts running and managed to purchase new licenses and get them licensed. Everything looks to be in place, USERS, PROFILES, USER<->PROFILE relatationships and even all the NOTIFICATION CONFIGURATIONS

After updating the PLEG Plugins I tried Register it clears the screen but does not give any registration options. Reported to Richard and waiting to hear back.

[UPDATE 4]
After much gnashing of teeth and a few restarts and refreshes the system finally allowed me to access the PLEg Registration and I successfully registered the 2 PLEGS. I was able to set all the NOTIFICATIONS (they come over with no users selected)

MultiSwitch
Now I find that I can't manually turn OFF a switch in a MultiSwitch. I can turn it on but it refuses to turn off. At this point I haven't determined if they are also disabled for setting by program logic or HTTP commands but at this point its a no-go because I use a few for system control functions from ImperiHome tablets. Also I can't change the button labels, they don't take after a restart. I'll investigate that later.

[UPDATE 5 14:29]
I've swapped IP addresses around to make the new Vera Plus the active second Vera and surprisingly everything I've tested seems to work.
 
DSC Alarm Interface
I had to move the DSC interface setting on the Vera 3 to a phony address as it doesn't allow more than one device to access it. Tested and the Vera can arm and disarm the DSC. Tested from an unmodified ImperiHome panel and that also worked.

Arduino Interface
The Arduino subsystem interface even works so I'm doubly surprised.

iPhone Locator
Works

ImperiHome Interface
Works, I can control pages and send TTS to the panel

HTTP Command Communications
The Vera <-> Vera and Blue Iris <-> Vera HTTP interface appears to be working fine. My Vera <-> Vera Heartbeat appears to be working.

GCal
Surprise, even the GCal settings came over and it detects a temporary travel item I set.

UI7 Interface
I like it even less than the first time I saw it. Its wasteful of screen real estate, just generally "messy"

[UPDATE 6 20160727]
I put this in here to keep it all in one place. It looks like some of problems I had may have been related to accidentally using the Windows Edge browser. It looks like it really has problems with the Vera UI ... and a lot of other things too :) I made sure to use FireFox and everything has been going well since.
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on July 27, 2016, 02:29:07 pm
Its been almost 24 hours now and the new Vera Plus has performed without a problem SO FAR :)

Tomorrow, Thursday I will probably tackle the other Vera 3, the one with beaucoup ZWave devices on it, lots of PLEG logic, etc.
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: BOFH on July 27, 2016, 10:16:24 pm
With Multiswitch manual, you mean clicking the actual button on the Ui7 dashboard? Or via HTTP/LUUP? It works for me under Ui7 on my Vera 3. (I don't have a multiswitch on the Plus yet) Both manual and HTTP/LUUP.

Makes sure for HTTP/LUUP to use the below syntax.

http://VERA_IP:3480/data_request?id=lu_action&DeviceNum=DEV#&serviceId=urn:dcineco-com:serviceId:MSwitch1&action=SetStatus1&newStatus1=0

Where VERA_IP is the IP of your Vera and DEV# the device number for your multiswitch. SetStatus1-8 and newStatus1-8 set the buttons. 0 = off, 1 = on.
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on July 28, 2016, 10:27:11 am
BOFH

The MultiSwitches work under program control. It APPEARS that the manual control problem was related the Microsoft Edge browser, in subsequent testing with FireFox the manual operation works fine. Microsoft :)
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on July 28, 2016, 10:51:16 am
Today was the big day, converting the "Big ZWave Vera" to VeraPlus and for the most part it all came over without to many glitches.

PLEGS
I updated the PLC and PLEG Plugins and purchased new licenses for this VeraPlus. After a restart I was able to register and they came up with only two hitches, due to the Temperature and Light level sensing function of the Fibaro Motion Sensors and the Fibaro Contact sensor as below

Fibaro Devices
There appears to be a significant problem with Fibaro devices in UI7
** Motion Sensors
The Temperature and Light Level functions of the Fibaro are apparently not working. The main device, the motion sensor shows "Unable to get any information" but it is providing motion detection to the associated PLEG. However none of them are reporting Temperature or Light level information and as far as the PLEGs are concerned those devices do not exist so the logic fails.
** Door/Window Contact
I have one Fibaro Contact Sensor that is used to provide only Temperature data from the attic. The base unit continues to show "Unable to get any information" and the Temperature data is not available.

A minor irritant, the UI does not display ROOMS alphabetically. I have things arranged as
1A PLEGS
1B Misc Sensors
1C Vera 2 State
1F Room 1
1F Room 2
etc
1Z Applications

but the UI insists on jumbling them up, displaying 1F, 1A, 1B, 1Z, 1C ...
I guess I can fiddle with retyping the Room names to see if it fixes it but haven't gotten around to it yet.

Right now all the battery operated devices as still showing "Waiting for wakeup to configure .." so once it gets through that step there might be other problems but for right now its mostly working, the primary glitch appears to be the Fibaro devices.

Frankly I was expecting a major problem but it appears almost everything came over without a hitch. The longer term of course remains to be seen. The first conversion I did 36 hours ago still appears to be holding together without problems.

[UPDATE]
Room Display Order
As suspected the Room Display order was corrected by fiddling a few of the names. UI5 allowed longer names that UI7 and once I got all the names within the UI7 allowance the display order straightened out.

Fibaro
Contacted Customer Support

[UPDATE]
It now appears that ALL Door/Window Sensors of ALL brands, have failed to come over correctly. They are present in the display but they all either stay in "Waiting for Wakeup to Configure" forever or they APPEAR configured but do not actually do anything.

In addition to the Fibaro Motion Sensors it now looks like the Schlage Motion Sensors have failed to initialize

All Smoke Detectors have apparently failed to come over properly

All Virtual Motion Sensors have failed to come over

The inaccessible devices I was most concerned about, the Aeon Switches and the MonoPrice Dual Relay Switches are working fine. It figures.

So the bottom line is that as of now
ALL the light switches are OK
ALL wall outlets are OK
ALL Aeon and MonoPrice Relays are OK
The PLEGS and VeraAlert are OK
The ImperiHome, EventWatcher and AutoVera Plugins are OK
ALL Smoke Detectors are NOT
Almost all Door/Window Sensor are NOT (only two MonoPrice units initialized OK)
ALL Motion Sensors (Fibaro, Schlage, Everspring) are NOT

Time to Fall Back to the Vera 3 and regroup
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on July 29, 2016, 09:54:31 am
In the fallback to the Vera 3 from the previous post I encountered two Door/Window sensors that did not initially appear work after moving back the Vera 3. Attempting to poll them Vera responded "Cannot send command to node." Yet, the sensor tripped and triggered PLEG exactly as it should. I suppose this might be a product of the Vera 3 still sitting in Secondary Controller mode without a live Primary but I'm not sure.

I found three others that would not configure but I got them back by sending the configure command and immediately removing the battery and tripping the sensor with the tamper switch. surprisingly they recovered and are again functioning.

Anyway, it looks like Richard Schaefer was right again folks  :o

I'm not sure where I'm going now. I still have the VeraPlus in situ as it was after the attempted cutover. Its online with a different address and all the PLEGS in bypass (I have no logic or schedules independent of PLEGs) All of the failed ZWave devices are fairly easily accessible so coaxing them into working one at a time  might be a practical approach. I haven't tried the "configure/battery/trip" sequence that got them back on the Vera 3 as yet with the Vera Plus so I may end up having to delete and reinstall them and adjust the PLEG definitions for the new DeviceIDs. Similarly the Smoke Detectors are accessible so they may not be too big a deal to delete/reinstall and adjust the PLEGs.

The first Vera I converted to VeraPlus is running fine, there have been no glitches, unexpected failures. I have seen one unplanned restart this morning. This unit has no Door/Window or Motion sensors attached, the only ZWave devices are a dozen or so outlets and Jasco switches all of which are working fine. The original Vera is preserved in situ but off the LAN. Memory usage is running around 59% and CPU running 1-5% which is a significant improvement over the load on the Vera 3.

The only problem thus far is the inability to change button names on the MultiSwitch PlugIn

Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on July 30, 2016, 12:26:44 pm
In an attempt to make my life a little easier I tried an experiment this morning. Reasoning that some of the devices missing from the Vera Plus conversion were still "attached" to the Vera 3 I deleted one of them, a Vision smoke Detector from the Vera 3. I then polled it from its icon in the Vera Plus and it reported SUCCESS Polled device. I polled it several more times just to be sure and it reported success each time.

So I thought that it had recovered the device in the Vera Plus but about two minutes later it suddenly reported "Can't detect device." So it appears that this is also not a solution but I do not know why.


At this point all seven smoke detectors show Can't detect device." I then set them to "Disarm" and the Vera Plus reports "Sending Command" and the "Can' detect device' cleared and the device reports "Waiting for wakeup ..."

I ran a stress test from the Vera Plus to the device and it reports all sent, all received. Then it reports "Can't detect device"  Frustrating
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on July 31, 2016, 05:43:31 pm
Well! I've got most of the new Vera Plus working and BOTH my new VeraPlus units are online and functional.

Removed each of the missing/inoperable devices from BOTH the Vera 3 UI5 and the Vera Plus UI7.
Added back a new device to the Vera Plus UI7
Changed deviceIDs in the PLEGs
Armed/Disarmed/Armed each of the new devices
Rearmed all the PLEGS
Took the Vera 3 UI5 offline
Changed the IP of the VeraPlus UI7 to the earlier address

I have a half dozen non-critical door/window sensors yet to do, closet doors, mailbox, and one motion sensor in the laundry. Tonight and tomorrow I will finish off the sensor and the smoke detectors and everything should be back to normal ... or as normal as it can be with Vera.

 
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: BOFH on July 31, 2016, 07:23:33 pm
Thanks for showing me a complete device unpair from my Vera 3's and then re-pair with the Plus and Edge seems the safest way to go.

Luckily all my MonoPrice PIR sensors are mounted with 3M command velcro strips (For easy battery changes) so they are easy to bring to the controller.
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on August 01, 2016, 11:58:49 am
Another update on the progress of my upgrade.

1. Very few of my PLEG notifications are working. On one VeraPlus I removed and reinstalled veraAlerts thinking that might be the problem but it didn't change anything. So it appears that the problem is with the PLEG notifications themselves. Looks like I'll have to remove and recreate them.

2. I noticed something strange on the PLEG editor. On some but not all of my PLEGs when I try to run the Logic/Status Report I get a blank Popup, on others it works fine. I surmise that this may be doe to one or more errors in the devices of logic due to devices that did not transfer over and have not been corrected as yet.

3. I have, or tried to, reinstall my smoke detectors and of the seven only two installed without a hitch. Three of the others said they configured properly but were not in fact correctly installed on Vera. On all of them I was able to get them to "look right" by manually doing "Configure device now" but I had to do it several times before they actually appear to be working (I've yet to run actual smoke tests to see if they alert Vera properly, that's probably a Tuesday project.

4. I still have a few low-priority sensors, power fail, mailbox, etc., that have not been corrected. I'm getting to them as I can.

5. I have not verified the Vera<=>Vera heartbeat function as yet but I can see the semaphores coming over to each Vera.

6. The Wi-Fi Camera LOS logic still works triggered by the Blue Iris Camera Watchdog.

The major outstanding problem is fixing the Notifications. I'm going to pick a PLEG that has few Notifications assigned and try deleting and recreating the Notifications to see if that solves the problem. I've sent test messages to Syslog, Pushover, and Twilio from VeraAlerts and they all see to be OK and the Notification list is all intact so I suspect the problem is with the PLEG Notifications not being fired properly after the transition.
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on August 01, 2016, 03:51:02 pm
The blank status report is due to references to deleted devices ... I have a fix for that ... but I am still waiting for MCV to audit the previous fix ... I guess they are on summer vacation.


I will test PLEG notifications ...
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on August 01, 2016, 05:09:38 pm
The blank status report is due to references to deleted devices ... I have a fix for that ... but I am still waiting for MCV to audit the previous fix ... I guess they are on summer vacation.


I will test PLEG notifications ...

Thanks for the update. I had planned to print out the PLEG notifications so I could deleted them and manually reenter them to see if that was the problem.
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on August 01, 2016, 05:25:04 pm
The latest in the saga of converting to VeraPlus UI7.

Vision Smoke Detectors
I had removed all seven smoke detector "phantom devices" from the UI5 => UI7 conversion. I then installed the seven  Vision smoke detectors that had performed flawlessly for a year under Vera3 UI5 in one of the Vera Plus UI7 controllers. I had the same kind of glitches in the installation to UI7 I had experienced with them in UI5 but I have long suspected that Vera simply has little interest in smoke detection. Eventually they all installed and configured properly. I was able to poll them and do stress tests once they installed. Everything was rocking along.

Two hours later NOT ONE OF THEM IS WORKING. Vera says "Can't Detect Device" for devices it was perfectly happy with two hours earlier.

Everspring Motion Detector
In addition an Everspring Motion Sensor that installed and worked without a hitch earlier in the day is suddenly now in "Can't detect device" mode also.

AutoVera
Minor glitch with AutoVera, it reports the number of Android devices attached as  "temperature 4".
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on August 01, 2016, 05:45:00 pm
I posted this separately because it isn't very important to me but I think its interesting. I have both Vera UIs open in my browser right now. Both are set to identical location data including Lat/Long and both have the same Weather Data settings.

Yet on shows the local weather as 96F and Sunny while the other shows it as 89F and partly cloudy.  Right now WU shows the local conditions as 91F and party cloudy so one of the Veras appears to be in the same place I am. The other who knows :)
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on August 01, 2016, 09:12:00 pm
I have PLEG notifications working in my setup ...

I believe there is a problem with NOTIFICATIONS in general on the latest UI7 release. 
Multiple people are seeing problems ... no errors ... configuration looks correct ... just no notifications.

Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on August 02, 2016, 07:28:12 am
I have PLEG notifications working in my setup ...

I believe there is a problem with NOTIFICATIONS in general on the latest UI7 release. 
Multiple people are seeing problems ... no errors ... configuration looks correct ... just no notifications.

That's what's happening here. Everything LOOKS normal just nothing happening on one Vera. On the other I've suddenly started getting notifications of when the Alarm system has been Armed/Disarmed and when my Internet connection does Down/Up. Near as I know I didn't do anything to them but with all the other fiddling I may have clicked  the username destinations off/on.

Have you considered, if its even possible, creating your own Notifications inside the PLEGs and integrating them with VeraAlerts, bypassing all of Vera's notification system? In addition to improving the functionality this might also allow the user to EDIT notifications just as you do the Message Overrides in Vera Alerts. Just a thoughts.

I also see now someone is reporting problems with the Everspring motion sensor in 1.7.2044 so maybe that's firmware too :)
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: RichardTSchaefer on August 02, 2016, 09:42:21 am
You can already do notifications "INSIDE" pleg.
Add an action for the  "Vera Alerts" device ... SendAlert action.
I have some of those too ... and they are working fine for me.

In this case you can embed the value of Conditions or properties in your message with a message like:

    The house temperature is currently {(pHouseTemp)}

Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on August 02, 2016, 11:25:20 am
You can already do notifications "INSIDE" pleg.
Add an action for the  "Vera Alerts" device ... SendAlert action.
I have some of those too ... and they are working fine for me.

In this case you can embed the value of Conditions or properties in your message with a message like:

    The house temperature is currently {(pHouseTemp)}

I tried this approach and it works great, since none of my notifications are working anyway and I was planning on re-doing them I'm going to delete them and go this way instead.

Is there a way to mass delete the notifications, I have quite a few and apparently Vera restarts after each deletion.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: BOFH on August 02, 2016, 12:39:38 pm
Hmm, I upgraded my Vera 3 to the latest UI7 about a week ago and it has both ZCOMBO and Vision ZS6101 smoke detectors connected. All still work flawlessly.

I have a Vision ZS6101 smoke detector hooked up to the test Edge (on latest Ui7) and it also is working fine. It did not like being joined and out up a fight so it took s few tries and some language to get the process finalized.  8)

Granted, those were all added under a older FW version.
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on August 02, 2016, 01:54:34 pm
Hmm, I upgraded my Vera 3 to the latest UI7 about a week ago and it has both ZCOMBO and Vision ZS6101 smoke detectors connected. All still work flawlessly.

I have a Vision ZS6101 smoke detector hooked up to the test Edge (on latest Ui7) and it also is working fine. It did not like being joined and out up a fight so it took s few tries and some language to get the process finalized.  8)

Granted, those were all added under a older FW version.

There was a significant language problem in trying to get mine installed :) I had a similar language problem trying to get a Fibaro Door/Temperature sensor to attach until I gave up and threw it across the room. There are a surpisingly small number of parts in one :)
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on August 03, 2016, 11:50:53 am
I got a response from tech support about my Vision Smoke Detectors. According to them they are all responding to Stress Tests and the "Can't detect device" is a glitch in the current UI (1.7.2044) and has been reported to development. Well, that may have been true when they looked but it isn't now.

This morning all of the smoke detectors are "chirping" for low batteries ... brand new batteries yesterday. Turns out they have been running all night (red LED on full time) so the batteries are dead. Changed the batteries and now half of the one's I changed don't pass the stress test. One of them that does never indicates tripped despite it appearing to work fine.

Now a brand new out of the box Ecolink Door/Windows sensor refused to install on one of the Veras.

And I'm trying to delete a bunch of notifications I no longer need and I'm suddenly getting "failed to save system configuration."
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on August 03, 2016, 01:55:29 pm
re: Vision Smoke Detectors

Despite the fact that of the seven detectors 6 of them fail the Stress Test, all of them now report to Vera when they are tripped. I have logic in a PLEG to send Pushover, Syslog, and SMS whenever they trip and they appear to be working correctly now.
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on August 03, 2016, 03:31:01 pm
I added back to door/window sensors that had failed in the transition and been removed a few days ago; the mailbox and the front door bell.

Both were added to the system sitting immediately adjacent to the VeraPlus, and both configured right off the bat. The mailbox sensor is installed about 75 feet from the Vera in the street-side mailbox, the door bell sensor in the chime about 14 inches from the VeraPlus. Neither pass the Stress Test yet the mailbox sensor works flawlessly from 75 feet whereas the door bell sensor does not work from 14 inches. Go figure.
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on August 04, 2016, 08:49:24 am
I have come to the conclusion from my own experiences and reading the forum that many of the things I'm seeing are chimeras, created by UI7.

I have cases, many intermittent, of devices showing "Can't detect device" when in fact they are working properly. Tech Support confirms this is a UI bug

I often find that a device will not respond to the Poll or the Stress Test and yet is working fine. I found this the other day with a sensor in the streetside mailbox about 75 feet from Vera. It worked fine and responded to poll and stress when first re-installed. A few hours later it wouldn't respond and yet when the mail was delivered it tripped exactly as intended.

The Smoke Detectors many of which reflected "Can't detect device" or "Waiting for wakeup..." all cleared with no action on my part and are working fine. I have code running in PLEG to check the "LastWakeup" and if a smoke detector missed two wakeup cycles it flags it as down. So far every device is waking fine on the expected time as reflected in the Device Properties in PLEG.

I still have questions about the Power Fail Sensor and the Front Door Bell Sensor but they are not urgent items.

Like many people I think UI7 is far from the ideal. Its a bit distressing to find that it has been in the field this long and is still in such a poor state. I'm hard pressed to see what it does for anyone that could not have been backed into UI5. ZWave+ could certainly have been retrofitted to UI5.

The radically reduced device name length in UI7 is a pain.

I'm continue to get some random Restarts which I understand may be related to 1.7.2044.

The VeraPlus is a big performance gain on Vera3. Both my Vera3 units were running 95+ % Memory and 15-30% CPU. VeraPlus has brought that down to 60% Memory and 2-7% CPU. Everything works more crisply, walk into a motion detected room and the lights are on instantly. Open a detected door and the lights are on before the door is fully open.

Kudos also to the Plug In developers. The new PLEG/VeraAlerts Editor is a delight to use. All the other Plug Ins I use are working fine with the minor exception of not being able to change the button names.

Since they weren't working anyway in 1.7.2044, I removed almost all my Notifications (except for things like device  battery level messages, etc.,) and implemented them all in PLEG Logic Actions to SendAlert via VeraAlerts per Richard Schaefer. Its much more flexible and can actually be easily edited, unlike the Notifications that have to be deleted and reentered.

I hate the fact that they put the LEDs on the top of the VeraPlus. I have mine sitting on top of a tall bookcase in the Family Room, which is just about the central point of the house. The Vera3 sat one on top of the other and the LEDs were easily visible so it was quick to see if there was a operational problem. I'm looking into a way to mount the VeraPlus units standing on their fronts, side-by-side so the LEDs are visible.

Once I get these two VeraPlus units settled down I'm going to replace the VeraLite that runs the BlueIris Camera PlugIn with one of the now-unused Vera3 units. Should make that a bit crisper and hopefully it will track the cameras more closely.


Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: BOFH on August 04, 2016, 12:13:03 pm
Simple Redneck DIY solution to the LED problem. Glue some aluminum foil (shiny side out) on a pie of cardboard and tape that on top of the Plus at a 45 degree angle(eg fold cardboard supports). That should allow you to see the LED's easily. A small strip of mirror glass or stainless steel would also do the trick.
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on August 04, 2016, 01:13:56 pm
Simple Redneck DIY solution to the LED problem. Glue some aluminum foil (shiny side out) on a pie of cardboard and tape that on top of the Plus at a 45 degree angle(eg fold cardboard supports). That should allow you to see the LED's easily. A small strip of mirror glass or stainless steel would also do the trick.

What no Alabama Chrome :)
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on August 05, 2016, 10:32:25 am
Actually this is about a third Vera upgrade to UI7 :)

I'm trying to convert on of my old Vera 3 to UI7 to support the Blue Iris Plug In and replace a VeraLite UI5 unit currently doing that service

I successfully converted the Vera3 to I7 (1.7.830) but much to my dismay the plug in does not work well at all. I finally figured out where to place the various parameters and got the correct image once. After a few seconds I got "Failed to receive image from the camera" followed by a warning to change my camera password. Yet a few more seconds and it reverts to the INDEX composite image from Blue Iris. A check of the Advanced Parameters and it shows that the URL has been replaced by the INDEX rather than the specific Blue Iris camera selection.



Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: BOFH on August 05, 2016, 12:28:00 pm
That's an issue with the browser refresh of certain pages where it seems Vera uses the cached page instead of the fresh one. RStrouse brought this up a while back. It seems to work better for me in Firefox than it does in IE.
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on August 05, 2016, 12:41:09 pm
That's an issue with the browser refresh of certain pages where it seems Vera uses the cached page instead of the fresh one. RStrouse brought this up a while back. It seems to work better for me in Firefox than it does in IE.

This was in Firefox :) I've found that using Microsoft Edge with Vera is a waste of time, effort, and sanity so I use Firefox for just about everything, life is too short to spend time with Edge :)

I ended up going back to UI5 on the vera3 and restored from a today backup of the VeraLite and everything is working fine. Memory utilization is about 60% and CPU 2-10%.

I'm just going to leave it this way for now.

The two VeraPlus UI7 units seem to be settling down too :)
Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on August 07, 2016, 10:06:23 am
I think I can finally close out the "Saga of Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus."

Both systems are running and appear to be running as well as they can on 1.7.2044. I await another opportunity when Vera release a newer version :)

I still have problems, unanswered, on the MultiSwitch Plug-In. I upgraded to the current release, 1.7, and added another MS. The new one displays in a familiar format, 2 rows of 4 buttons, but for some reason the existing switches retained their old display format, 1 row of 5 and 1 row of 3, and their inability to change button labels. Other than that :)

Title: Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
Post by: clippermiami on August 11, 2016, 08:05:12 pm
More frustrations with UI7

Today one of my Fibaro Motion sensors suddenly decided to stop reporting the temperature. Its been working fine for over a year across both UI5 and the UI7 conversion.

And also today the temperature portion of a Fibaro Door/Window Sensor stopped reporting and the sensor suddenly shows tripped all the time.