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Title: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: gferry on December 07, 2010, 12:01:47 pm
OK, I sort of got the Remote control working.  Here's my take on the wall plate:

Once you have the Remote Control (GE45601) programmed, you can send this programming to the wall plate (GE ZW5301/45631).
Do this operation with the devices close to each other.
1) Put the wall plate into receive mode:
1a) Press and hold [ADD] and [REMOVE] until the orange light blinks
1b) Sequentially, press [DownArrow] of the 1 (top, left), then 2, then 3, then 4.  The orange light will begin to blink
2) Put the Remote Control into send mode
2a) Press and hold [SETUP] until "LGHT SETUP" appears in the display
2b) Press the [-->] button five times until "TRANSFER" appears in the display.
2c) Press [OK] and "PRIMARY" will appear
2d) Press [-->] and "SECONDARY" will appear
2e) Press [OK] and "ALL" will appear
2f) Press [OK] once more to send the data.
In the display of the Remote Control, "SENDING" will appear, at the same time, the orange light on the Wall Plate will continue to blink.
Shortly, the display of the Remote Control, "SUCESS" will appear, briefly, at the same time, the orange light on the Wall Plate will blink green twice.  This indicates success.  I assume that anything other than this sequence indicates failure.

Of course, every time you change the Remote Control, you have to do this.


Unexplained Features
=========================================
When turning on from the Wall Plate, it will take a significant number of seconds for the command to be executed.

On the Wall Plate, be sure to press [SCENE] before pressing one of the buttons.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: shady on December 10, 2010, 05:42:26 pm
I am having trouble including my 45631 and I was wondering if I understand correctly.  So you just copied from the GE controller that you have included in Vera to the 45631 and the 45631 operates without being included in Vera?  I assume because whatever scenes you replicated to the GE handheld controller were to a similar amount of buttons (4) as is on the 45631 and the same scenes are being fired off of the 45631.

For some reason I thought that I would have to include each of the scene controllers I was going to use in my house into Vera.  But if I am going to have basically the same button assignments on all of them that I only have to include one to Vera and then replicate the scenes to all controllers.

Or maybe is that why there is such a delay when using the 45631 as you have mentioned.  Do you know if Vera is firing off the scenes, or is the separate scene controller doing it as a secondary?
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: mbairhead on January 07, 2011, 10:28:00 pm
Why is it I can get the scenes to show up in the remote but it won't run them?
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: ASIHome on January 10, 2011, 10:19:29 am
Did you re-include the 45631 after you assigned the events to the scene buttons? That is what I had to do in order to get this working on my Vera. Also, make sure you press the Scene button before hitting the buttons that you want the Vera to respond to.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: mbairhead on January 10, 2011, 10:36:23 am
Yes, I re-included 4 times and made sure to hit the "scene" before going for an adult beverage and watching TV while giving this thing dirty looks as it sat on my coffee table. My usual response to stuff not working is try it until you want to throw it across the room (just before actually) and walk away and try again another day. I haven't gotten to the "try again another day" point in this project yet but any tips and or tricks would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: shady on January 10, 2011, 12:41:51 pm
try it until you want to throw it across the room (just before actually) and walk away and try again another day

Same here.

There seems to be something missing from the steps to include it properly.  I have followed it several times and have had no luck as well.  Also, I don't understand that when I reinclude it to Vera I get a second scene controller added.  I have been told to ignore that second switch/controller icon and stick it in an unused room, but I don't think it is updating the original switch with Vera scenes.  I belive @myhomeserver says to operate it using the Group buttons and procedure, but that doesn't seem right.  I have tried both and it doesn't seem to include the same way that a HA07 does when it does update the original icon during the reinclude and doesn't create a second icon.

Step by step instructions written for a 6 year old using terminology from those instructions would help me...  :)
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: aa6vh on January 11, 2011, 10:45:57 am
This was discussed in a similiar thread: http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=4350.0

I never got scenes to work, but I was able to locally program groups on the GE 45631.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: ASIHome on January 11, 2011, 12:20:08 pm
Ok so I know that some posters have been having trouble with this. My Z-Wave was reset when I moved so I had no 45631 in my system.

I just added a 45631 to my Vera and have it working.

To add the 45631 to the Vera:

1. Hold the Add and Remove buttons until the Orange LED blinks twice
2. Press the Off side (left) on each of the 4 Scene buttons, the Orange LED will start blinking
3. Start inclusion on the Vera (I use the Full Power option)

Name your controller and then create the scenes for the on/offs for each button (8 total). For each scene setup the events button 1 is Scene 1 and so on. The On is Activated and the Off is Deactivated.

After all of your scenes are setup, Save. Once you are done, re-include the 45631 to the Vera using the above steps.

Once the re-inclusion is done. Press the Scene button on the 45631 and then press the desired Scene you wish to turn on or off. For reference the 45631 is backwards to most controllers, the Left side is Off and the Right side is On.

I currently have Buttons 1+2 turning On/Off Leviton Lamp Modules, Button 3 turning On/Off a HomeManageables Lamp Module and Button 4 turning On/Off an Intermatic Lamp module. I have also previously had ACT lamp modules working.

Also, as a side note, the devices take about 10-15 seconds to come On aftter the button is pushed but go Off almost instantly.

Hope this helps anybody get theirs up and running.

Vera 1 running UI4 1047.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: myhomeserver on January 11, 2011, 02:58:29 pm
Thanks barry, I'll have to try this in Scene mode. I have it using group mode and it's instant when turning on a light since it's directly communicating.  Much quicker than waiting for Vera
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: kaldoon on January 11, 2011, 03:11:25 pm
According to the Jasco folk at the show the 45631 does not support the scene class at this point - there wasn't enough memory to include it maybe next go around
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: shady on January 11, 2011, 06:37:50 pm
Thank you Barry,

If I can't get it to work after following your explicit instructions then I'll just give up.  I believe I have been doing it just as you have written.

One important question though...

When you re-add the controller does Vera create a new scene controller device icon in the UI?  So that you end up with the original scene controller that you renamed, assigned scenes, and put in a room, as well as a second scene controller in the UI that ends up blank, in the Devices section under Mios Marketplace????

If not, that must be where I am going wrong and Vera isn't sending the scene info back to the controller, but just adding it again as if it were new.  I can get a HA07 to add as you described, but not with the 45631 (maybe I have an older version of firmware that doesn't support scene info as @Kaldoon states).
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: mbairhead on January 12, 2011, 07:39:59 am
Followed and still failed. I readily accept the possibility (likelihood even) that I'm an idiot and this is totally my fault but it's just not happening for me.

When I create the scenes and add the scenes (4 or 5 times) they show up in the scene controller but it just won't play them. When I hit "scene" and then choose one of the buttons, the lights on the remote flash twice and it looks like it's going to work but then nothing. I set up one Vizio switch and one GE, just to make sure it wasn't the switch causing the problem, or at least greatly reduce the likelihood it was the switch.

I had put a lot of eggs in this basket, very disappointed.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: myhomeserver on January 12, 2011, 07:50:34 am
The same issue was happening to me, I ditched the "scene" mode and programmed the group buttons, it worked perfectly
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: ASIHome on January 12, 2011, 10:02:21 am
The Vera did not create a second device. It said it was updating the scenes. Mine all have a date code of 1024. 24th week of 2010. I am wondering now if this is a Vera1 versus Vera2 thing.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: mbairhead on January 12, 2011, 10:52:06 am
The Vera did not create a second device. It said it was updating the scenes. Mine all have a date code of 1024. 24th week of 2010. I am wondering now if this is a Vera1 versus Vera2 thing.

I am using Vera2 with UI4
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: mbairhead on January 12, 2011, 10:52:28 am
The same issue was happening to me, I ditched the "scene" mode and programmed the group buttons, it worked perfectly


How does group work?
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: myhomeserver on January 12, 2011, 10:53:24 am
Exactly the same  method except use the GROUP button when assigning instead of the scene button
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: shady on January 12, 2011, 11:56:39 am
The Vera did not create a second device. It said it was updating the scenes. Mine all have a date code of 1024. 24th week of 2010. I am wondering now if this is a Vera1 versus Vera2 thing.

Thank for clarifying Barry, for the record I am on Vera 1 with 1.1.1137 and I believe I have tried it with several firmwares between here ans 1047 too with the same result.

@myhomeserver, I am confused about how you used the group option when adding, because the adding of the device to Vera is replicating scene information and it doesn't seem to be scene or group related.  Barry used "Copying Network and Devi..." to add the controller to VEra (twice) and it may be that you are using "Create or Adding  a device to a Group" which doesn't seem to be replicating but adding devices to the controller (would they still be controllable by Vera)?
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: aa6vh on January 12, 2011, 02:45:52 pm
When I indicated I got the GE 45631 controller working with groups, I meant that I was able to program the group buttons on the controller using the controller method of programming.

You first need to add the controller to Vera (or your primary ZWave controller), since the controller is a secondary controller only. This will download the ZWave device information to the controller. Then simply follow the GE instructions for programming the group buttons.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: myhomeserver on January 12, 2011, 04:53:40 pm
When I indicated I got the GE 45631 controller working with groups, I meant that I was able to program the group buttons on the controller using the controller method of programming.

You first need to add the controller to Vera (or your primary ZWave controller), since the controller is a secondary controller only. This will download the ZWave device information to the controller. Then simply follow the GE instructions for programming the group buttons.

Correct
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: ASIHome on January 12, 2011, 04:55:29 pm
Just as an FYI to anyone attempting the Group method, I had trouble getting Intermatic/WD devices to work.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: aa6vh on January 12, 2011, 05:10:30 pm
Interesting. I had no problems programming Internatic HA03 (Light Dimmer) and HA06 (outdoor module) devices.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: myhomeserver on January 12, 2011, 07:57:04 pm
I ran into issues with this in older Vera 1 models before I had my Vera2.   I got the new Vera2 and the 45631 then worked.  Something is wacky with certain versions of Vera where this device just won't work properly. 

Once I got Vera2 I used group mode and I can control Intermatic appliance, dimmers and receptacles, as well as any other device in my network including GE/Jasco dimmers and appliance modules
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: mbairhead on January 12, 2011, 09:23:56 pm
Ok, another hour spent on this with same results. So I reread all the posts here and reread the GE instructions and I think I might see the disconnect (but I really hope not).

When you all say you're adding groups and to follow the GE instructions, are you going from switch to switch and adding them after adding it as a secondary remote? You are not creating scenes in Vera and moving them over by re-including?
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: myhomeserver on January 12, 2011, 10:23:31 pm
Correct, add the wall controller as secondary, then add devices to the corresponding groups.  Works like a charm. I have two of these where there are no wall switches, and bingo, instant wall switches for the room
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: mbairhead on January 12, 2011, 11:17:40 pm
Correct, add the wall controller as secondary, then add devices to the corresponding groups.  Works like a charm. I have two of these where there are no wall switches, and bingo, instant wall switches for the room

Well, I guess I'll do that if it's the only way. I was really hoping to use Scenes created in Vera.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: aa6vh on January 13, 2011, 10:22:54 am
Just to note, the manual group programming on the GE45631 disappeared when I re-paired (re-added) the controller to Vera (I had to re-pair because of adding a new ZWave device).

After the Vera re-pair, I just redid the GE proramming steps on the controller to bring the group buttons back.

Also, I am on a Vera 1 with 1.0.979 firmware.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: virginian on January 22, 2011, 12:19:34 pm
My experience.

Spent the entire evening trying to add 45631 to Vera and control lights in the laundry area.

Pretty much followed ACIHome's instructions.  Nothing. Frustrated went to bed and found this thread in the morning. Started playing with buttons before assigning a group to the button instead of the scene and found that controller works (with scenes!). Apparently Vera optimized network overnight and controller started working.

Good news?  Not exactly, there is a 10 seconds delay before dimmer turns lights On.

Is there any way to fix it?  I use the same dimmer with the Schlage lock and it takes just 1-2 seconds to turn lights after the valid code entered.

I use Vera2 and UI2 interface.


Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: ASIHome on January 24, 2011, 10:01:50 am
I have never been able to get rid of the delay.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: myhomeserver on January 24, 2011, 10:57:10 am
there is a 10 seconds delay before dimmer turns lights On.


I have zero delay on mine, but Im not using it in Scene mode (Im using group mode) and the lights turn on and off instantly.  I simply added it as a secondary controller as per the instructions and then added each light to the proper buttons in group mode.  Bingo, works like a charm and instant. 
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: virginian on January 24, 2011, 11:45:11 am
there is a 10 seconds delay before dimmer turns lights On.


I have zero delay on mine, but Im not using it in Scene mode (Im using group mode) and the lights turn on and off instantly.  I simply added it as a secondary controller as per the instructions and then added each light to the proper buttons in group mode.  Bingo, works like a charm and instant. 


Thank you, makes sense to try. All previous posters complained that scenes didn't work at all, so they switched to groups. In my case scenes did worked, though with delay.  I'll try to use groups instead of scenes, hopefully will work.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: myhomeserver on January 24, 2011, 01:06:08 pm
I do think there is a problem with Vera and full compatibility with these.  I had a Vera1 that failed to go into learn mode.  So, I could never test these 2 45631's I have.  Now with Vera2, they were added as a secondary and group mode worked perfectly.  But, now I just tried to add a new lamp module to one of these wireless wall plates and although the green light shows it's added, it won't control the lamp module.

This could be a problem with Vera2 reporting PRI:NO, not sure. 
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: virginian on January 24, 2011, 02:23:43 pm
Not necessarily. In my case dimmer was located far away form Vera and didn't respond right after I programmed wall controller but it started working next day, apparently after network optimization happened overnight.

Same sitution with Schlage lock in the garage door, it became fully functional only next day after adding to Vera.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: ASIHome on January 24, 2011, 03:27:56 pm
Group mode works fine on mine as well. It's only when it is triggering a Scene in Vera that there is a delay.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: virginian on January 24, 2011, 03:48:04 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong but 45631 is a secondary controller and doesn't pass commands directly to the dimmer, it does it through the scene.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: myhomeserver on January 24, 2011, 04:00:23 pm
It's a secondary but does communicate directly to the devices.  If you are using it in Scene mode and trigger a Vera scene, that's where it takes 10 seconds.  Being a secondary, everytime you update the network (add devices) you need to re-add the 45631 to Vera and reprogram all the buttons. 
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: virginian on January 24, 2011, 04:09:45 pm
It's a secondary but does communicate directly to the devices.  If you are using it in Scene mode and trigger a Vera scene, that's where it takes 10 seconds.  Being a secondary, everytime you update the network (add devices) you need to re-add the 45631 to Vera and reprogram all the buttons. 

I understand that but will 45631 control the dimmer if I remove event from the scene?
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: virginian on January 24, 2011, 10:22:44 pm
It's a secondary but does communicate directly to the devices.  If you are using it in Scene mode and trigger a Vera scene, that's where it takes 10 seconds.  Being a secondary, everytime you update the network (add devices) you need to re-add the 45631 to Vera and reprogram all the buttons. 

Deleted event in the scene and added dimmer to the group.

Worked like a charm!

Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: vera_nc on February 03, 2011, 11:19:48 pm
I have to retry mine using ASIHOME's instructions, but Groups worked except for a GE Dimmer module (the horizontal style with 2 outlets, one controlled and one not)..  The HA03 responds to the Group on/off, but the GE module doesn't even though it acknowledges that it was added to the group...
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: Ajudge on February 14, 2011, 05:44:15 pm
I bought two of these. I add them to the Vera 2 and it shows up as _Scene Controller, but under the scene tab in the settings, it is greyed out and there is no reference to any of the buttons.

I added it by:
1. Press zwave button on the back of Vera 2
2. Pressing Add + Remove buttons, then pressed the down arrows (all 4)
3. Waited for the flicker on the zwave light on Vera 2
4. Then I pressed the zwave button on Vera 2.

No scene buttons (greyed out text only) under the scenes tab in Vera 2.

Anyone have this same problem? I just got these from ASI. Any help much appreciated.

Andy
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: shady on February 14, 2011, 06:39:36 pm
I bought two of these. I add them to the Vera 2 and it shows up as _Scene Controller, but under the scene tab in the settings, it is greyed out and there is no reference to any of the buttons.

I added it by:
1. Press zwave button on the back of Vera 2
2. Pressing Add + Remove buttons, then pressed the down arrows (all 4)
3. Waited for the flicker on the zwave light on Vera 2
4. Then I pressed the zwave button on Vera 2.

No scene buttons (greyed out text only) under the scenes tab in Vera 2.

Anyone have this same problem? I just got these from ASI. Any help much appreciated.

Andy

My understanding is that now that you have included them in Vera you've really just copied all of the device information to them as a secondary controler.  So instead of using Vera to assign scenes or devices to its buttons, you'll do it using the instructions that came with the wall plate.  I think "groups" is what you want to use.  You'll be adding the devices (on, off, dimmed) to the wall plate buttons as if Vera wasn't there.  Then the wall plate will be acting like a secondary controller, sending Z-Wave commands directly.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: pkitch on February 17, 2011, 10:48:53 pm
Best I can get this thing to do is group lighting control together, but NOT run scenes.

The scene I want to run which seems to be impossible no matter what I try or read is actually an 'Alarm Away' scene arming a series of door/window and motion sensors.

Trying to just Arm these sensors using a group on this controller, I am able to add them (green confirmation lights on controller), but they do not respond to the group command.

Anyone have any luck controlling sensors using this controller???
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: TimAlls on February 18, 2011, 09:06:33 am
This sounds like a repeat of the problems I encountered with the Leviton Wall Scene Contoller.
I am not using the GE but this info might be helpful....
The only way to make the scene Contoller from Leviton to work properly was to first make it run using the Leviton Remote Programmer. The Leviton scene controller will not work with GE dimmers so I learned the hard way so watch out for comparability issues. Once you have the bugs worked out using all GE hardware then set Vera up to be the secondary. You can still write scenes for computer control or IPad control but let the wall controllers talk directly to the dimmers so there is no delay issues.
I have twenty dimmers, two zone controllers, two scene contollers, Vera, SQ Remote on an IPad and everything runs instant with dimmable scenes on my wall controllers and awesome control on the IPad!
Good luck and don't loose to much sleep....
Tim Alls
AllSeas Yachts
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: HilH on March 05, 2011, 03:21:56 pm
Has anyone else run into a problem where the controller won't control devices added after it was originally connected to the vera? 

I added a zw5301 to the vera, then I installed a new wall switch.  The wall switch is visible and works from the vera.  I then went and put the vera into include mode by tapping the button on the back, updated the 5301 by hitting Add + Remove then pressing the down arrows on 1,2,3,4 in sequence.  The 5301 eventually blinked green.
However, when trying to add the switch to a group on the 5301, I hit add+remove, then add then group then a number, push the wall switch.  At this point, the 5301 blinks green, but the switch doesn't operate when I attempt to turn it on or off via the 5301.  Older wall switches seem to work fine. 

Am I doing something wrong?
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: myhomeserver on March 26, 2011, 02:03:41 pm
This is a problem with Vera from what I'm seeing this is the exact same issue I'm having (other than it working with Scenes)

I reset my network and readded everything again, then it worked with my modules.  For some reason Vera gets confused and something happens along the way to mess up adding new modules.  A fresh RESET Z-Wave network worked perfectly with adding devices to groups
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: myhomeserver on April 12, 2011, 01:13:26 pm
Updated Technical Info from GE/Jasco:

I've been trying to get to the bottom of why this amazing little 45631 from GE/Jasco isn't playing nice with scene activation in Vera, and I found out some more details for those that are interested. Let's hope MCV can use this info, chat with GE/Jasco and come up with a way to make this work....


GE/JASCO 45631 Technical Details on Scene activation



Keypad Controller &  Scenes - This device does not
support the Scene Activation Command Class.  In order to be compliant (&
certified) with the Z-Wave Scene Activation Command Class, the device
must be capable of storing&  supporting 255 scenes.  The controller and
all of the AC powered lighting devices must support all 255 scenes which
requires more memory than is available on the 300 series Z-Wave chip (if
you also want to support other more useful functions).  Here is the text
from the formal Command Class Specification document: "The Scene
Activation Command Class used for the actual scene launching in a number
of devices e.g. a another scene-controlling unit, in a multilevel
switch, in a binary switch etc. This command class requires an initial
configuration of the scenes to be launched by the Scene Actuator
Configuration Set or Scene Controller Configuration Set Command
depending on device used.  The advantage of this approach is that since
it is a common identifier that is sent out, the multicast frame type can
be used, which may eliminate potential popping effect which could be the
result if individual setlevel Commands were send out to a large number
of nodes distributed over a vast area. The multicast must still be
followed by individual singlecasts to ensure all the nodes addressed got
the message."

We felt that 255 scenes was overkill and since our products were
originally designed for retail DIY consumers we elected to go with just
the singlecasts.  As a result, our keypad is just sending the individual
commands to each of the devices in the scene telling each one what
brightness level or on/off status it should change to.  During
replication, it does accept the scenes that have been created in our
hand-held remotes but is not going to accept a true Z-Wave scene that
transmits a multicast command to the devices.  Once the network has been
replicated to the keypad, you can create up to 4 scenes with as many as
32 devices in each.


Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: rogerdata on April 30, 2011, 11:31:55 am
As I have already stated in another thread. This device can't address any node number higher than 32. This thing is junk! If this is not the case, someone should confirm opperation of a node mumber higher than 32. That also includes any node used in a scene. GE/Jascos excuse above was well authored but is just that an excuse. Even thier hand held remote can control nodes higher than 32 and can have those nodes in a scene.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: oTi@ on April 30, 2011, 09:01:10 pm
The statement from Jasco explains their rationale for not supporting true scenes; nothing about a restriction on NodeID's.

@rogerdata,
You are saying here (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=5610.msg38848#msg38848) you can't get the 45631 to talk to NodeID's higher than 32 even when programmed without Vera, right?
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: rogerdata on May 04, 2011, 12:58:58 pm
OTI
Yes that is correct. Can't include to the 45631 any node number higher than 32. I had to restructure my whole Vera setup just to use this device!!!  Getting the Vera 2 to completely reset and start at node 2 was another extremely frustrating experience. I have been an Electrical engineer and programmer for over 25 years and it took me 16 hours to finally get Vera to completely clear out and not give a "Failed to go into learn mode". I followed all the instructions for doing so but after trying many, many times it just worked.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: darrenl on June 08, 2011, 10:31:19 pm
This is a real disappointment.  Is there any way I can write a script in vera2 to detect a button push on the GE 45631 and then explicitly call my vera scene/commands?
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: davbrow on October 21, 2011, 09:45:18 pm
This is a real disappointment.  Is there any way I can write a script in vera2 to detect a button push on the GE 45631 and then explicitly call my vera scene/commands?

Is there any progress related to this question?  Is it possible for Vera to detect a button press on the GE controller as an event? It would be great to hear if anyone has been successful on this specific point.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: henrylouis57 on February 13, 2012, 03:37:59 am
this is what i was looking for.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: Vreo on June 21, 2012, 01:58:09 am
Hey darrenl, davbrow, henrylouis57, long tome from this post, but I am new to Vera and I am having the same issue. Did you solve your problem? Have you found a script or any method to detect the press of a button of this scene controller? I would really appreciate if you share your solution with me. And also, did anyone solved how to add devices to groups? Other than the ge modules I have, I also bought evolve LM-15 dimmers and they are working with scenes with the teen second delay, but I an trying to add then to groups and I haven't succeed. Thanks everyone!
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: darrenl on November 10, 2012, 12:42:51 am
no progress.  I don't understand the details of nodeID registration to know if this issue could be fixed somehow...
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: oTi@ on November 10, 2012, 07:48:58 am
I don't understand the details of nodeID registration to know if this issue could be fixed somehow...
I have never tried this device myself, but @rogerdata's claim is the device does not support nodeID's higher than 32.

This implies that the devices you intend to control with the 45631 need to have a nodeID less than 32. Now, a Z-Wave network can have 232 nodes and Vera assigns them consecutively. So, once you have done a bunch of includes, new devices will get nodeID's greater than 32.

Therefore, this all can become pretty tricky. You'd have to wipe out the Z-Wave network and re-include every device, starting with the ones that you intend to control with the 45631, to force low nodeID's.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: darrenl on December 02, 2012, 10:23:19 pm
Can MCV add a feature to Vera to allow explicit assignment of node ID? 

PLEASE!
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: ryan. on January 27, 2013, 01:27:22 am
So I followed the steps and got the remote to turn lights on/off.
But doesn't copying the scenes into the remote just allow the remote to control the lights (or whatever) directly... What if you want the remote to trigger things in the vera (eg: a script with a timer?). The vera has no idea the remote exists. (or am I missing something?)
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: ASIHome on January 28, 2013, 09:36:19 am
If you press the "Scene" button instead of the "Group" button and then press one of the four buttons, you can use it to trigger scenes in the Vera. There is however a 10-30 second delay for anything triggers which is why everyone is using the group method.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: beau on April 16, 2013, 10:33:43 pm
Does anybody know if it is possible to assign the GE 45631 a node ID above 32 and have it function properly? I know this device cannot control other devices with a node ID above 32, but if the controllers themselves could have a higher node ID, that would free up a few more devices.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: ddeligeo on October 18, 2013, 08:36:28 pm
I think I've read through all of the threads related to this topic, but I want to resurrect it for one or two follow-ups.

1. Has anyone tried the 45631 with the latest Vera Lite/3 firmware and UI5?  Are there still long delays for scene activation?  I have a situation in which this would be an ideal device (no wires close by), but I can't use node groups and I'm not keen on a 15+ second delay.

2. Are there any good alternatives yet, i.e. battery operated scene controllers that play nice with Vera and don't have the 32 node cap and scene delay issues?  Google searching is leading me to believe that the answer is no, but I thought it was worth a double check.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: ddeligeo on November 05, 2013, 12:44:51 am
Well, lacking any additional input, I decided to give it a try.  No luck whatsoever.  In fact, I couldn't even get as far as previous posters.

I followed the steps in post #7 of this thread to add the device, but something didn't jibe with the instructions right away.  Vera included the device as a 4-button scene controller, but, in the Scenes tab, I only have the option to activate four scenes when buttons are turned on (i.e. not four more "off" scenes).  Lower on the same tab, it looks like there should be a set of scene selectors for when buttons are turned off, but nothing is there.  Anyway, I added four scenes for the "on" selectors and successfully re-included the device.  When I attempt to activate the scenes via the device, nothing.

Am I missing something, or has this device just become completely incompatible with the newest Vera hardware/software?
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: catalystpt on November 05, 2013, 01:18:30 pm
I just set up a GE 4-button controller... and I had to reread this thread a couple times before I figure it out.

I ran into the same issue you did where there were only 4 'on' button scenes under the device itself. At first I was excited because I thought that would be an easier set up than going through the scene triggers individually. I was only able to get the top button to activate the first on scene. Turned into a dead end for me.

However, when I followed the advice previously mentioned in this thread and programmed a scene and then set the trigger through the scene itself, it gave me the option of selecting the GE device and choose either 'a scene is activated' or 'a scene is de-activated.' I then could enter the number 1-4 for the scene number. and that seemed work both for on and off buttons. In addition, I was able to use both scenes & groups with the keypad by first setting the scenes, re adding the controller, then regrouping the lights directly after making sure the scenes work. Now I am able to press scene and then choose on or off of a specific scene... or chose group and directly control various lights.

Its worth remembering that every-time you re-add the device it loses the group information...

FWIW, with scenes, I do seem to get a delay on turning things on... but all off seems to work pretty quickly. (as mentioned previously)

I'm using a Veralite and the latest firmware.

Hope that helps.

M
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: ddeligeo on November 05, 2013, 11:16:02 pm
Thanks a lot for your reply, M.  I reread the thread again, and followed your suggestion.  I certainly thought I was getting somewhere, but I'm still not over the hump.

After adding triggers to the relevant scenes (and testing the scenes independently), attached is what I have for the GE Keypad Controller in the Control tab in UI5.  Looks better than before - "on" and "off" are now represented for each button.  However, after re-including the keypad multiple times (and seemingly observing that the scenes were transferred successfully), pressing Scene + button on the keypad seems to have no effect.  The button's orange light blinks twice, but no scene is run.

I'm watching the Vera logs, and I don't see anything at all when I press the keypad buttons.  Anything else I might be missing?  How can I debug this part?

P.S. Added an second attachment - the Advanced tab for the keypad controller - I don't know what the scene shortcut field represents, but it looks a little odd to me.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: catalystpt on November 06, 2013, 12:07:17 pm
Hmm...

Unfortunitly, I'm pretty new to this stuff too...

I can tell you that my scene shortcut field looks the same... I try not to touch the advanced options as I'm not sure how they are set.

One idea for making sure your re-add works is to set at least one group button and test that to make sure it is set and able to find a route to a light you are trying to control. Then if you re add the GE device, it will likely stop working when you've successfully synced the scenes. If it still works, your breakdown might have more to do with the re-add process. If it stops, hopefully the scenes will be transferred.

Also, one thing that tripped me up... (which is probably obvious to others) is that I had to pay careful attention to pressing the correct buttons to put the controller into the right mode. I think in this case, if I remember correctly, it is  add+remove, 1-off, 2-off, 3-off, 4-off.

M
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: ddeligeo on November 06, 2013, 05:07:09 pm
Yeah, I kind of have an unusual setup, so I can't try the group option.  I have a legacy Vantage lighting system for which I wrote a custom plugin to send commands via an RS-232 interface.  I have a set of virtual dimmers that look like z-wave switches in UI5, but they're really custom dimmer devices.  They all work fine via UI5 (as dimmers and in scenes), but, obviously, they can't be added to z-wave groups.  The GE scene controller is the first and only z-wave device in my network (other than the VeraLite).

I read this in an obsolete UI2 help page (http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/ZWave_Add_Controller):

"For any commands in the scene that go to scene capable devices, namely Z-Wave scene capable light switches and lamp modules, Vera will program the scene controller or remote to talk directly to those scene capable devices."

Could this be my problem?  Could Vera have gotten confused about my (non-z-wave-scene-capable) virtual dimmer devices and told the scene controller to try to communicate with them directly?  I doubt it based on the fact that  all of my triggers report that they have never been run in UI5.  I assume that your scene triggers do display last run timestamps in UI5 (?)

Tonight I think I'm going to try to un-pair the scene controller, reset it and the Vera z-wave network, and start over from scratch.

Does anyone know what should appear in the Vera logs (or other indications in the UI) when a button on a scene controller like this is activated or deactivated?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: ddeligeo on November 07, 2013, 10:49:33 am
So, I must be missing something fundamental.  I reset both the GE scene controller and my Vera z-wave network last night, and then went through whole process of including the scene controller, setting up a couple of triggers for my Vera scenes based on activation/deactivation of the controller buttons, and re-including the scene controller.  Everything once again seemed to work fine - the scene controller appears in my devices list, the activation triggers are represented in the device's config screen, and I received a success response for the re-include.  Once again, pressing the scene controller buttons (in scene mode) seems to have absolutely no effect, either in UI5 or the Vera logs.

Can anyone who has this working tell me what I should see in the logs when a scene controller button is pressed?  Is there anything else I can do to troubleshoot this issue before I give up and return the scene controller?  I would think that, even if I haven't set the scene triggers up correctly, I should see something in the logs when a button is pressed once the device is included in the Vera z-wave network.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: catalystpt on November 07, 2013, 12:26:27 pm
So I played around with scenes and the GE controller a little more. I tried a scene that just controlled Z-wave devices and one that controlled the same devices plus used the Denon plug in... which works great in directly controlling my receiver, but is obviously not a z-wave device. When I activate the scenes directly from the vera, it will control both the lights and the denon. When I do it from the GE control pad, it only does the lights.

I think you are right about how the Vera works.. rather than the GE controller directly triggering the scene set up on the Vera and then the vera sending out the control signals... instead the vera still just tries to program the GE to talk directly and then ignores the scene trigger itself. This, of course, would make sense in why you need to re-pair the device each time and that there are also issues with memory and node numbers.

I'm sure there are practical reasons why this might be more difficult than it sounds... or perhaps I'm still learning how things work in z-wave, but it certainly would be nice if you simply trigger a scene directly on the Vera and then let it do all the heavy lifting. Does anybody know a way to do this? Is there something obvious that I am missing?

M
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: ddeligeo on November 07, 2013, 12:59:29 pm
Ah, well maybe that explains it then, and perhaps it explains why there have been a number of people in these forums that have indicated that they can't get scenes to work at all with this device.  Sounds like scenes will only work if you're controlling other z-wave devices via the scenes.  You're right, M, it does make sense with regard to re-pairing ... why else would you need to re-pair if Vera was just listening for a button press and triggering a scene?

I did notice in post 49 of this thread that someone asked "Is there any way I can write a script in vera2 to detect a button push on the GE 45631 and then explicitly call my vera scene/commands?"  There was never any respone.  If we're correct, the device isn't triggering scenes in Vera, and it doesn't seem that detecting button pushes would be an option.  This would also explain why I see nothing in my Vera logs when I press a button.

Anyway, I'll wait a couple days to see if anyone else can shed light on this and/or confirm our conclusions, but thanks for your help M.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: eatonjb on January 03, 2014, 09:03:25 pm
Ah, well maybe that explains it then, and perhaps it explains why there have been a number of people in these forums that have indicated that they can't get scenes to work at all with this device.  Sounds like scenes will only work if you're controlling other z-wave devices via the scenes.  You're right, M, it does make sense with regard to re-pairing ... why else would you need to re-pair if Vera was just listening for a button press and triggering a scene?

I did notice in post 49 of this thread that someone asked "Is there any way I can write a script in vera2 to detect a button push on the GE 45631 and then explicitly call my vera scene/commands?"  There was never any respone.  If we're correct, the device isn't triggering scenes in Vera, and it doesn't seem that detecting button pushes would be an option.  This would also explain why I see nothing in my Vera logs when I press a button.

Anyway, I'll wait a couple days to see if anyone else can shed light on this and/or confirm our conclusions, but thanks for your help M.

have you found an option to this.

I think that what you do is set a scene, and then just copy the sene to the GE.  This does no good if you have non-zwave devices in your scene.   so, yes, as you said it really will not work.  but if you could get the GE to talk to the Vera then it would do what you want. 

if this is not possible, is there anything else out there? other switches.  I like the battery option, and that it looks so seamless.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: catalystpt on January 06, 2014, 12:42:29 pm
I played around with it further, but could never really figure out how to get my Vera to recognize a GE controller event (even thought I did see some things in the logs.)

Ultimately, I ended up using a Aeon Labs 'Minimote' for controlling non z-wave items. Set up was super easy and I could create a scene and directly set it through the device settings panel. (four buttons, short press = on, long press = off, so 8 possible total.) I created a mount for the wall and all was well. One note? it uses a mini (micro?) USB cable to charge the battery? Didn't need to keep re-syncing the controller.

M
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: Piwtorak on January 06, 2014, 04:57:48 pm
I have 45631 working but the concept for this is like secondary controller...I export zwave devices for that and associate (including process) for each button of that..then I have control...scenes can not be associated...

GE 45601 is very easy to include in Vera and this one you can associate the scenes to the buttons easily...

Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: ryan. on January 11, 2014, 06:24:49 pm
I think I'll just be selling my Ge wall plate, and trying to design a 'pro' looking way to wall mount one of these leftover android phones I have lying around.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: escabrun on February 20, 2014, 06:35:00 am
Hi, I am quite new with scene controllers, I am using 45631 and EVOLVE LCD1, could you plese send me some screen shoots of how to configure 45631 please.

Regards.

I just set up a GE 4-button controller... and I had to reread this thread a couple times before I figure it out.

I ran into the same issue you did where there were only 4 'on' button scenes under the device itself. At first I was excited because I thought that would be an easier set up than going through the scene triggers individually. I was only able to get the top button to activate the first on scene. Turned into a dead end for me.

However, when I followed the advice previously mentioned in this thread and programmed a scene and then set the trigger through the scene itself, it gave me the option of selecting the GE device and choose either 'a scene is activated' or 'a scene is de-activated.' I then could enter the number 1-4 for the scene number. and that seemed work both for on and off buttons. In addition, I was able to use both scenes & groups with the keypad by first setting the scenes, re adding the controller, then regrouping the lights directly after making sure the scenes work. Now I am able to press scene and then choose on or off of a specific scene... or chose group and directly control various lights.

Its worth remembering that every-time you re-add the device it loses the group information...

FWIW, with scenes, I do seem to get a delay on turning things on... but all off seems to work pretty quickly. (as mentioned previously)

I'm using a Veralite and the latest firmware.

Hope that helps.

M
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: destinet on March 27, 2014, 08:06:46 am
Well i wish i found this tread before buying this $%/$%?/$ wall plate.

First let me say i did the include / config / reinclude thing. Nothing work.
After i find that my node ID is 80 and the max working is 32?!? No way i will just rebuild everything...

After some try i'm unable to close kitchen light with it. Nothing work, i try to point it to my "good night" scene who close all light. TADAM...it's working. No idea why, key pad still have node ID 80, good night scene is 42 and it close my kitchen light correctly.

I also saw some people talking about the group option that we need to define in vera. No idea how to do that, can someone help?

Other then that it's a great key pad! (bleh...)
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: charlesrg on August 24, 2014, 12:40:59 am
So if I buy one of those, can I make the buttons trigger a scene or not ?
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: oTi@ on August 25, 2014, 06:52:39 am
Does anybody know if it is possible to assign the GE 45631 a node ID above 32 and have it function properly? I know this device cannot control other devices with a node ID above 32, but if the controllers themselves could have a higher node ID, that would free up a few more devices.
Sounds like it will; that is, the nodeID of the keypad does not matter; you'll be able to use it with its reported limitations.

[...] i try to point it to my "good night" scene who close all light. TADAM...it's working. No idea why, key pad still have node ID 80 [...]
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: destinet on August 25, 2014, 08:39:10 am
So if I buy one of those, can I make the buttons trigger a scene or not ?

Well it can control a device directly. No virtual device. So in my opinion it's crap. I only use it to close all my light at night but pretty expensive to close all light.
Title: Re: Wall Plate GE ZW5302/45631
Post by: eli167 on December 09, 2014, 05:56:41 pm
im so frustrated that I cant get this to work. I see it in my vera3 and it can turn things off, just cant turn things on no screams working no group working